Official ALL NextGen rumors and speculation (PS4, 720, Steambox)

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#1 Posted by AdobeArtist (22787 posts) -

OK OK, we seem to be getting a new rumor and leak topic about the upcoming consoles (PS4 and Xbox 720) about every 6 hrs. So you know what that means don't you? Ohhhhhhh yeahhhhh it's STICKY TIME!!! :D :D

And here's what I'm going to do. For all rumors, leaks, and speculation that anybody can provide from an established media outlet (Eurogamer, IGN, 1UP, Kotaku, Gamespot, GT, etc... and blogs don't count) if you got anything new, I'll update the OP with that info as soon as I can, so all the reports on what to (possibly) expect can be compared by source. If you got something new, post it here with a link to the source and I'll update.

No link, and it doesn't get included in the OP. Other than that, all your own specualtion, ideas, what you hope to see, what you think the name will be, and all general discussion can be exchanged here.

This encompasses ALL the unreleased system for which we have no official facts on; PS4, Xbox 720, Ouya, and now replaces the Steambox sticky.

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So all the source reports we have so far:

Eurogamer Article - Orbis Unmasked

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"Both the next generation PlayStation - and its Xbox competitor - feature eight-core CPUs clocked at 1.6GHz according to sources trusted by Digital Foundry. The main processor architecture driving both consoles is said to be derived the new "Jaguar" technology currently in development by Intel's arch-rival, AMD. These are low-power processor cores designed for the entry-level laptop and tablet market, offering an excellent ratio between power consumption and performance. The PC Jaguar products are set to ship later this year in a quad-core configuration - next-gen consoles see the core count double with some customisations added to the overall design.

Married to the eight-core processor, Orbis also features Radeon HD graphics hardware. We've previously suggested that AMD's mobile "Pitcairn" design - the Radeon 7970M - could be a strong basis for a next-gen console graphics core in terms of power consumption and die-size. Running at 850MHz and featuring 20 of AMD's "Graphics Core Next" compute units, our information suggests that Orbis shaves off 10 per cent of that number, offering up 18 CUs in total, and sees a mild downclock to 800MHz. Incorporated into a design dedicated to cutting-edge visuals and gameplay, this hardware has some serious potential."
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CVG - PS4 drops dualshock

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Sony will drop the DualShock controller for the next PlayStation, according to a new report.

Sources told CVG Sony has tested new controllers with biometric sensors on the grips and an LCD touch-screen.

This information tallies with what Eurogamer has heard from our own sources. We understand that as of six months ago Sony was testing a controller that had an LCD touch-screen on the front and biometrics functionality on the back. These designs, we were told, have changed almost every month, but are for the controller for the next PlayStation.

Biometrics technology captures data from the player's body, such as temperature and heart rate. Half-Life developer Valve has been experimenting with the tech, trying to discover new game experiences that would benefit from it.

Sony did not comment.

The DualShock controller was introduced alongside the original PlayStation in 1997 and has been used for each PlayStation home console since.

It is expected that the PlayStation Vita will be compatible with the next PlayStation. CVG suggests existing PlayStation 3 controllers will work with the console in a similar way that Wii Remotes work with the Wii U.
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Now Gamer - PS4 and X720 specs report

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PS4 Tech Specs

An APU with a fast GPU.
4GB of DDR3 RAM.
4GB of GDDR5 RAM.
CPU is an x86 system with 256-bit bus.
A more off the shelf design than the modded Xbox 720. "We all feel Omni is more of a pc in it design."
Capable of 3.2TFlops of data.

Xbox 720 Tech Specs

Three SOCs in one console. Two "Venus" models, and one "Mars".
8GB RAM, with 1GB devoted to operating system.

Mars SOC - System SOC

GPU AMD 8850 spec GPU clocked at 600mhz
4 core CPU is clocked @ 1.8GHz. It is an x86 system.
Audio DSP

2 of Venus SOC - Application SOC

GPU AMD 8900 spec GPU clocked at 800mhz with 10000HD series future tech
4 core CPU is clocked @ 2.5GHz
1.5 Gb of GDDR5 ram on each SOC (total 3GB) clocked @ 1.2Ghz

Common factors

4GB of DDR4 RAM with 384 bit bus
Ray tracing chip
High speed blitter with 510 GB/s bandwidth between SOCs
EDRAM
Power brick is 300 watts, but SDKs are looking at 230 watts used.
Capable of 4.2TFlops of data.

Next-Gen PS4 & Xbox 720 Tech Glossary

APU = Accelerated Processing Unit. A hardware system that includes an additional method of processing. In this case, a CPU with a GPU built in.
CPU = Central Processing Unit. The primary processing function of a machine.
GPU = Graphics Processing Unit. The system used to process and generate the visuals of a game.
SOC = System On Chip. A method of combining all the processing functions (CPU, GPU, etc) onto a single chip. Largely used for mobiles and tablets, but increasingly popular for consoles.
Omni = One of the proposed final names for the PS4.
Starsha = The rumoured name of the chips on board the PS4.
Thebes = The internal codename for the PS4.
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Nowgamer Xbox 720 more powerful than PS4

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Yes, another new rumor just kicks in. This rumor has more technical details then the past ones. However, just read it for fun, don't take these kind of rumors seriously. The final specs will always be revealed after E3.wink.gif

"The next-gen console wars kicks off early as insider claims the Xbox 720 will outperform the PS4 quite considerably."

Published on Jan 17, 2013

As part of an insider reveal -with numerous technical details on the Xbox 720 and PS4 spotted- a developer has claimed that the Xbox Next will be considerably more powerful than the PS4.

The tech specs of both the PS4 and the Xbox 720 are quite telling of where next-gen might take us, and the insider claims that Sony is looking to target 4K resolutions for its TV market while Microsoft is intending to target complexray tracing lighting technology.

Next-gen Espionage

As part of the reveal, the insider confirmed that both consoles will be "a big jump" on what we have now, and that quite a lot of next-gen espionage has gone on as both console manufacturers try to compete with one another.

Sony caught wind of Microsoft's dual SOC (System On Chip) technology, and countered it by increasing the RAM to 8GB as well as improving the GPU.

However, Microsoft has since reacted to that by adding in a third SOC into the Xbox 720 - resulting in what the developer refers to as "three computers in one".

The Differences Between PS4 & Xbox 720

The insider was asked about whether this three SOC system will cause issues for developers, questioning whether it could prove as difficult as the PS3's Cell chip to develop for.

On paper both systems are capable of 3.2TFlops of data, however the Oban blitter inside the Xbox 720 increases the speed at which data is transferred, meaning the Xbox Next is actually capable of 4.2TFlops.

The inclusion of EDRAM, too, means that a lot of data is shared between the three chips.

"We all feel Omni is more of a pc in it design," claims the insider, "Or more off the shelf than Durango."

He adds that Durango - or Xbox 720, or Xbox Next - has a more "modded design" which includes a better bus, higher memory speeds and extra rendering tech.

"I'd look at Durango as high level-PC and Omni as a medium setting PC," says the insider.

PS4 Vs Xbox 720: Image Quality

Though Sony is targeting 4K resolution capabilities, it seems the PS4 won't actually be able to generate the resolution native and will instead upscale.

"The thing about Omni," says the insider, "is it will upscale to 4K but the IQ [Image Quality] is very low in regards to Durango."

He adds that a higher resolution doesn't equate to a better image quality. He does claim that third-party games will be able to scale easily across the Wii U, Xbox 720 and Omni, however adds that "first party games and some third party will look amazing on Durango no doubt.

"You will see a big difference."

Later on the insider is quizzed on the ability to port games from the PC to each of the consoles, to which he replies that the Xbox 720 is no different"to developing for 360. The tools are highly-developed to handle the system."

He then adds, "And the first time you see xbox IQ you will know... The winner."

Microsoft Has Spent More Developing The Xbox 720

According to the insider, Microsoft has a "massive budget" for developing the Kryptos project and the result is the Oban blitter, a microprocessor that increases the speed at which data is transferred through the system.

Discussing the Oban and CPU setup, the insider claims "It's 384bit and has 550gb/s it was designed to enhance the system for ray tracing and other memory heavy rendering engines.

"Oban is the game changer for MS. You all will see very soon with your own eyes and ears."

The insider is the posed the question on whether the three SOCs will cause trouble for Microsoft, and in fact make it harder to develop for than Sony's single SOC system.

"It would be hard to achieve if it was not for Oban design," he says, adding "I have heard Starsha kits have very bad heating problems due to the GPU and SOC not being specialised enough.

"I think that has come down to sony not having enough money to invest in R&D."

The insider then claims that the Oban/Venus blitter and SOC setup has been in development for two years by Microsoft, IBM and AMD.

"And also a lot of people are comparing Starsha and Kryptos by saying that Starsha is more powerful, well it's because you are comparing them to early SDK. Sony Starsha has been in final SDK since December."

Xbox 720 Will Have Better Multiplatform Games Than PS4

Though in many ways the two systems are comparable, the insider is adamant that the Xbox 720 will be better overall than the PS4.

"Every multiplatform or third party game will look better on Xbox Next," claims the insider, adding that even first party games on the Xbox 720 "will look better then other company's offerings."

Because of the Oban parts inside the console, the insider says the Xbox Next will stay current.

He then answers the question over memory. The PS4 has 8GB of memory, as does the Xbox 720 - however 1GB of that Xbox Next's RAM will be used only for the operating system to power features such as in-game video Skype chat.

The insider is the questioned again on the limitations of having three SOCs inside the Xbox 720, and how it could pose an issue for multiplatform games on the console.

"The 2xVenus and 1xMars are designed with Oban controllers. These SOC can work together. But they do not need crossfire.

"Porting is not a problem. Porting pc gameswould be a lot easIer this time. Any part of the engine code can be sent to any CPU core or GPU DSP [digital signal processor], it's very opendue to the blitter."
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VG24/7 - rumor of PS4 to be 50% faster

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If latest rumours regarding next generation hardware are to be believed, the next PlayStation is to be significantly more powerful that the next Xbox.

Developer sources, speaking after meetings at CES, have told VG247 that the next PlayStation, codenamed Orbis, will have a run-capability of 1.84 teraflops. Conversely, the next Xbox, codenamed Durango, will be able to achieve 1.23 teraflops.

If true, these numbers mean PlayStation 4 will have a 50% raw, computational power advantage over Xbox 720.

While PS4 will have greater grunt that 720, however, the Microsoft machine has significantly more RAM at 8Gb, weve been told. Our source said that 3Gb is reserved for the OS, apps and security, leaving 4-5Gb for games.

Orbis will have 4Gb of RAM, said our source, of which 1Gb will be reserved for for OS, security and apps, leaving some 3Gb for games.

Both machines will supposedly have have the ability to read 100Gb Blu-ray discs.

Durango is apparently based on the Radeon HD 8770 GPU.

PlayStation 4 has been previously rumoured to be built on AMDs A10 APU.

It was recently claimed that the two machines are to be announced in late March. Its widely assumed that both consoles will launch in November this year.

VG247 is under the impression that several media outlets are in possession of documents related to Durango from CES and are currently working on major leak stories.
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Examiner - PS4 vs X720 specs

DigitalSpy PS4 50% more powerful than 720

MCV - also reporting PS4 more powerful than 720

#2 Posted by AdobeArtist (22787 posts) -

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#3 Posted by blue_hazy_basic (27319 posts) -
*spoiler alert* Sorry lems and cows they are going to be about the same. /stickey
#4 Posted by Heil68 (43186 posts) -
So we all know PS4 is a go, locked and loaded. Strap one on gaiz, it's gonna be pedal to the muther fuking metal, Day fuking 1. Awww yeahhh.
#5 Posted by Cheleman (7616 posts) -
THANK YOU ADOBE!!!
#6 Posted by clyde46 (43957 posts) -
I am going to laugh so hard when these come out and are basically the same.
#7 Posted by freedomfreak (38685 posts) -
Thanks much, Adobe!
#8 Posted by Led_poison (10139 posts) -

GPU AMD 8850 spec GPU clocked at 600mhz, thats lower than the 7850 specs, dafuq

#9 Posted by Kinthalis (5270 posts) -

So as mentioned, the latest rumor about Orbis with an 8 core AMD CPU @1.6 Ghz and a 7970M GPU sounds the most credible so far.

The TDP is right in line for a small form factor, and the architecture is modern. It's not the powerhouse consolites have deluded themselves into assuming will be in the next gen consoles - instead this is an actual down to earth, realistic possibility.

This thing runs Crysis 2 on Ultra at 720p at over 60 FPS. Assuming a modern DX 11 hardware based game engine, that level of performance should be enough for next gen game engines running at 30 FPS @ 720p.

#10 Posted by Giancar (19043 posts) -
Meh, bad idea for a sticky We get hardware rumors like every 6 (now more I guess) years. This type of discussion is a nice alternative to the weekly graphics/sales/etc threads. Bummer, Adobe. :(
#11 Posted by jsmoke03 (12601 posts) -

having this under one thread is going to be a bit cluttered. there couldn't be 3 different stickies?

k mods have it your way

#12 Posted by 1080pOnly (1986 posts) -

That only thing we can be certain of is that they will be lol-worthy compared to even current PC's.

#13 Posted by musicalmac (22813 posts) -
Adobe to the rescue. Talk to you soon.
#14 Posted by Kingpin0114 (2522 posts) -

A touch screen controller for the PS4? Welp....

#15 Posted by CanYouDiglt (7289 posts) -
Nice. This topic really needed a sticky.
#16 Posted by Mr_BillGates (3186 posts) -

Nothing next-gen about Ouya.

#18 Posted by Shielder7 (5048 posts) -

The PlayStation 4 will have a run-capability of up to 1.84 teraflops with 4GB of RAM total, with 1GB going to the OS and 3GB being dedicated to the games, built with an AMD A10 APU. (supposedly able to do 4K resolution) The Xbox 720 will have a run-capability of up to 1.23 run-capability with 8GB of total RAM, 3GB of which is dedicated to the operating system, apps and security and the rest for games, built with the Radeon HD 8770 GPU. Questions:

1. Ba figured it out it's 50% more and 33% less

2. 3GB for games is kinda low? Most PC games require at least 2.5GB of RAM and that number is only ever increasing, but consoles are more efficient when it comes to utilizing hardware, just look what the PS 4 and 360 have done with only 512MB of RAM.

3. WTF Why does the 720 need to have 3GB of RAM dedicated to the operating system, apps and security? It has just as much RAM for things non-gaming than gaming. Does the OS do anything for games? Do ads really need this much RAM to show us thing we don't want?

4. Doesn't the fact that the 720 will have 40% more available RAM make up for the 33% lack of teraflops? What's more important at the scale more teraflops or RAM?

5. 4K resolution a big factor? I mean do 4K resolution TVs even exist yet? Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/playstation-4-specs-vs-xbox-720-specs-revealed http://www.digitalspy.ca/gaming/news/a451779/playstation-4-is-50-percent-more-powerful-than-next-xbox-says-report.html http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/17/showtime-ps4-rumoured-at-1-84tf-xbox-720-at-1-23tf/ http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ps4-is-33-more-powerful-than-xbox-720-internet-explodes/0109457

#19 Posted by Zophar87 (4345 posts) -

It's nice to finally have this in one thread.

#20 Posted by carlisledavid79 (10503 posts) -
Let the pointless argument about brands of plastic commence :p
#21 Posted by superclocked (5823 posts) -
This was a good idea, but please don't make a sticky like this after the official specs are released. Disappointed I would be.. Come here to argue which system is better I do...
#22 Posted by Kingpin0114 (2522 posts) -

The PlayStation 4 will have a run-capability of up to 1.84 teraflops with 4GB of RAM total, with 1GB going to the OS and 3GB being dedicated to the games, built with an AMD A10 APU. (supposedly able to do 4K resolution) The Xbox 720 will have a run-capability of up to 1.23 run-capability with 8GB of total RAM, 3GB of which is dedicated to the operating system, apps and security and the rest for games, built with the Radeon HD 8770 GPU. Questions: 1. Now I'm no math genus but it's 1.84 into 1.23 only 33% ? Are all these sites just copy and pasting the same mistake or are teraflops worked so the more you have the more you get? ( I'm assuming they're just copy and pasting the same mistakes) 2. 3GB for games is kinda low? Most PC games require at least 2.5GB of RAM and that number is only ever increasing, but consoles are more efficient when it comes to utilizing hardware, just look what the PS 4 and 360 have done with only 512MB of RAM. 3. WTF Why does the 720 need to have 3GB of RAM dedicated to the operating system, apps and security? It has just as much RAM for things non-gaming than gaming. Does the OS do anything for games? Do ads really need this much RAM to show us thing we don't want? 4. Doesn't the fact that the 720 will have 40% more available RAM make up for the 33% lack of teraflops? What's more important at the scale more teraflops or RAM? 5. 4K resolution a big factor? I mean do 4K resolution TVs even exist yet? Source: http://www.examiner.com/article/playstation-4-specs-vs-xbox-720-specs-revealed http://www.digitalspy.ca/gaming/news/a451779/playstation-4-is-50-percent-more-powerful-than-next-xbox-says-report.html http://www.vg247.com/2013/01/17/showtime-ps4-rumoured-at-1-84tf-xbox-720-at-1-23tf/ http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ps4-is-33-more-powerful-than-xbox-720-internet-explodes/0109457Shielder7

Eurogamer article says that 512MB of the 4GB in the Orbis is dedicated for the OS. Sony appears to be more focused on gaming than having an OS that can do everything

#23 Posted by CaseyWegner (70104 posts) -

Adobe to the rescue. Talk to you soon.musicalmac

still 1:30, right?

#24 Posted by tormentos (16730 posts) -

So as mentioned, the latest rumor about Orbis with an 8 core AMD CPU @1.6 Ghz and a 7970M GPU sounds the most credible so far.

The TDP is right in line for a small form factor, and the architecture is modern. It's not the powerhouse consolites have deluded themselves into assuming will be in the next gen consoles - instead this is an actual down to earth, realistic possibility.

This thing runs Crysis 2 on Ultra at 720p at over 60 FPS. Assuming a modern DX 11 hardware based game engine, that level of performance should be enough for next gen game engines running at 30 FPS @ 720p.

Kinthalis
Well considering that is a SOC and that has hardware apart to deal with stuff like physics or other task,i say it could very well achieve better performance than the actual 7970M. Also didn't you see the links they show the 7970M running Crysis 2 at 1080p on extreme and was getting some 50FPS,they also show BF3 as well.. I am sure that on console that 7970M could be even more efficient than on PC.
#25 Posted by DISSESHOWEDO (1775 posts) -

So we all know PS4 is a go, locked and loaded. Strap one on gaiz, it's gonna be pedal to the muther fuking metal, Day fuking 1. Awww yeahhh. Heil68

Hell yeah !

#26 Posted by Kingpin0114 (2522 posts) -

Can't believe MS could use 3GB just for an OS. Extreme multitasking confirmed. Sheesh

#27 Posted by AdobeArtist (22787 posts) -

This was a good idea, but please don't make a sticky like this after the official specs are released. Disappointed I would be.. Come here to argue which system is better I do...superclocked

This is aminly about all the rumors and leaks for the upcoming systems, as we seem to get more and more new "reports" every damn week :P

Also I added Shielder's links to the OP, and a new poll as well. I figure we'll cycle through a few of those.

#28 Posted by Mystery_Writer (7880 posts) -
To sum it up. So far, most rumors all indicate PS4 > X720 in terms of graphics.
#29 Posted by superclocked (5823 posts) -

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Adobe to the rescue. Talk to you soon.CaseyWegner

still 1:30, right?

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#30 Posted by Kinthalis (5270 posts) -

2. 3GB for games is kinda low? Most PC games require at least 2.5GB of RAM and that number is only ever increasing, but consoles are more efficient when it comes to utilizing hardware, just look what the PS 4 and 360 have done with only 512MB of RAM.

Shielder7

This is a bit of a misunderstood subject. Yes, PC's need more RAM because they are usually dealign with a multi-tasking, full fledged operating system. Consoles - not so much.

That fact, however, has nothign to do with how efficiently a PC will use RAM when it comes to gaming. Assuming you could force a PC to only use 512 MB of RAM for a particular game, it would perform fairly close to a console. It's just that the game engine would have to pull off the same tricks it does on the console (and admittedly, it might not be as efficient as pulling off some fo these tricks). It's why console games have issues liek constant texture and object pop-in. Developers have figured out that you need to load objects and textures as dynamically as possible in order to squeeze in stuff within that small buffer.

They could certinaly do the same on the Pc (and sometimes they do), but they don't have to.

#31 Posted by Mystery_Writer (7880 posts) -

[QUOTE="superclocked"]This was a good idea, but please don't make a sticky like this after the official specs are released. Disappointed I would be.. Come here to argue which system is better I do...AdobeArtist

This is aminly about all the rumors and leaks for the upcoming systems, as we seem to get more and more new "reports" every damn week :P

Also I added Shielder's links to the OP, and a new poll as well. I figure we'll cycle through a few of those.

ya please, keep add new links to the main post, if possible, as it's difficult to hunt for them when this thread grows big.
#32 Posted by superclocked (5823 posts) -

[QUOTE="superclocked"]This was a good idea, but please don't make a sticky like this after the official specs are released. Disappointed I would be.. Come here to argue which system is better I do...AdobeArtist

This is aminly about all the rumors and leaks for the upcoming systems, as we seem to get more and more new "reports" every damn week :P

Also I added Shielder's links to the OP, and a new poll as well. I figure we'll cycle through a few of those.

Sounds good.. Nice job btw :)
#33 Posted by Chozofication (2717 posts) -

I'll be very happy if Sony drops the dualshock and the new controller is great.

Little worried about the screen thing though...

#34 Posted by Lionheart08 (15293 posts) -

I'm actually intrigued by the idea of steambox. The only downside to it though is when you get companies like EA who won't be releasing their games on Steam because they're pushing their own download service.

I'll be very happy if Sony drops the dualshock and the new controller is great.

Little worried about the screen thing though...

Chozofication

I'm praying that Sony doesn't try to use their console as a boost to 4k homevideo format. In the long run, I love that I can watch blu-rays on my PS3, but it ultimately did more harm than good to their sales.

#35 Posted by CaseyWegner (70104 posts) -

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"]Adobe to the rescue. Talk to you soon.superclocked

still 1:30, right?

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very confused right now.

#36 Posted by MK-Professor (3669 posts) -

both cpu and gpu look outdated even for today standards. I mean a real HD7970 is almost double the speed of a HD7970M

#37 Posted by TheEroica (13223 posts) -

I speculate that next gen will be an em-effer of a dog fight and I love that... being the competition!

#38 Posted by ferret-gamer (17310 posts) -

Also didn't you see the links they show the 7970M running Crysis 2 at 1080p on extreme and was getting some 50FPS,they also show BF3 as well.. I am sure that on console that 7970M could be even more efficient than on PC. tormentos
He was talking about Crysis 2 on Ultra, DF's video was on extreme DX9. There is a pretty massive performance hit between the two. And the BF3 on High also has a fairly large performance difference compared to Ultra.

The 7970m is usually somewhat comparable to a 7850 or a non TI gtx 660, look at benchmarks for those if you want an idea of what it can do. The one in the Orbis is gimped, but it is also in a console so will probably perform similar to the normal one anyways.

#39 Posted by Mystery_Writer (7880 posts) -

It seems PS4 specs somewhat fixed in those rumors, but X720 specs keeps changing in every rumor.

I've started to think MS might release 3 types of consoles, with various degrees of graphics fidelity. Sounds crazy I know, as developers would have to target 3 hardware specifications when writing their games for X720. Or worse, write for the lowest common denominator.

#40 Posted by Mr_BillGates (3186 posts) -

both cpu and gpu look outdated even for today standards. I mean a real HD7970 is almost double the speed of a HD7970M

MK-Professor
7970m is close to desktop 7870, which means "double the speed" is bs.
#41 Posted by Rocker6 (13358 posts) -

I am going to laugh so hard when these come out and are basically the same.clyde46

Meh, won't change anything... 360 and the PS3 are nearly identical in power, yet it didn't stop the pixel counting, and claiming ownages over 0.1% difference in performance and texture quality.

But yeah, seeing the consolites go all-out in such pointless arguments is always good for a few laughs! ;)

#42 Posted by Chozofication (2717 posts) -

both cpu and gpu look outdated even for today standards. I mean a real HD7970 is almost double the speed of a HD7970M

MK-Professor

Consoles should all use Laptop gpu's really, they'd get a top of the line gpu that doesn't create heat like a volcano. Wii U uses a laptop gpu, I think it'd be great if Sony and MS take note and start focusing more on power and heat costs. No one wants another RROD.

All I want for next gen is what PC can do now but in a console environment, we'll get a lot better than that.

#43 Posted by Rocker6 (13358 posts) -

So as mentioned, the latest rumor about Orbis with an 8 core AMD CPU @1.6 Ghz and a 7970M GPU sounds the most credible so far.

The TDP is right in line for a small form factor, and the architecture is modern. It's not the powerhouse consolites have deluded themselves into assuming will be in the next gen consoles - instead this is an actual down to earth, realistic possibility.

This thing runs Crysis 2 on Ultra at 720p at over 60 FPS. Assuming a modern DX 11 hardware based game engine, that level of performance should be enough for next gen game engines running at 30 FPS @ 720p.

Kinthalis

Yeah, that rumor sounds fair, not a powerhouse, but still a very reasonable jump in power compared to the 360 and the PS3.

Wouldn't be suprised if there's some truth to it...

#44 Posted by clyde46 (43957 posts) -

[QUOTE="clyde46"]I am going to laugh so hard when these come out and are basically the same.Rocker6

Meh, won't change anything... 360 and the PS3 are nearly identical in power, yet it didn't stop the pixel counting, and claiming ownages over 0.1% difference in performance and texture quality.

But yeah, seeing the consolites go all-out in such pointless arguments is always good for a few laughs! ;)

Just wait till they gang up and try to claim ownage over the PC.
#45 Posted by Chozofication (2717 posts) -

[QUOTE="clyde46"]I am going to laugh so hard when these come out and are basically the same.Rocker6

Meh, won't change anything... 360 and the PS3 are nearly identical in power, yet it didn't stop the pixel counting, and claiming ownages over 0.1% difference in performance and texture quality.

But yeah, seeing the consolites go all-out in such pointless arguments is always good for a few laughs! ;)

But don't forget Ps3 and 360 had very different hardware, equal but different. If they're equal and the same I think that'll go away. Some console games have huge differences like 10 less fps or 25% res reduction.

Then the internet can argue about just games instead. :P

#46 Posted by Kingpin0114 (2522 posts) -

So far I am really liking what the PS4 is shaping up to be. Also very interested to see what the new controller looks like. Not really liking the touchscreen part tho.

Still have no idea what to think when it comes to the nextbox.

#47 Posted by Rocker6 (13358 posts) -

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]I am going to laugh so hard when these come out and are basically the same.clyde46

Meh, won't change anything... 360 and the PS3 are nearly identical in power, yet it didn't stop the pixel counting, and claiming ownages over 0.1% difference in performance and texture quality.

But yeah, seeing the consolites go all-out in such pointless arguments is always good for a few laughs! ;)

Just wait till they gang up and try to claim ownage over the PC.

The tears will be sweet... no custom hardware for them this time, no unified shader model, nothing... :twisted:

By the time consoles come out, we'll already have new AMD and Nvidia series, making a console using something like 7970M well outdated...

#48 Posted by 04dcarraher (19151 posts) -
[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

both cpu and gpu look outdated even for today standards. I mean a real HD7970 is almost double the speed of a HD7970M

Mr_BillGates
7970m is close to desktop 7870, which means "double the speed" is bs.

Nope the 7970m is on its best day close to a 7850. the 7970m's double precision performance is 1/16th of its single precision, while desktop versions of the 7900's is 1:4 ratio. and what that means is much slower direct x 11 performance with shader model 5 and tessellation. AMD cut out many of the transistors to save room and power and heat requirements.
#49 Posted by Rocker6 (13358 posts) -

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]I am going to laugh so hard when these come out and are basically the same.Chozofication

Meh, won't change anything... 360 and the PS3 are nearly identical in power, yet it didn't stop the pixel counting, and claiming ownages over 0.1% difference in performance and texture quality.

But yeah, seeing the consolites go all-out in such pointless arguments is always good for a few laughs! ;)

But don't forget Ps3 and 360 had very different hardware, equal but different. If they're equal and the same I think that'll go away. Some console games have huge differences like 10 less fps or 25% res reduction.

Then the internet can argue about just games instead. :P

Nah, the SW would never argue about games themselves! :P

We'll always find some technicality to whine about! :D

#50 Posted by clyde46 (43957 posts) -

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Rocker6"]

Meh, won't change anything... 360 and the PS3 are nearly identical in power, yet it didn't stop the pixel counting, and claiming ownages over 0.1% difference in performance and texture quality.

But yeah, seeing the consolites go all-out in such pointless arguments is always good for a few laughs! ;)

Rocker6

Just wait till they gang up and try to claim ownage over the PC.

The tears will be sweet... no custom hardware for them this time, no unified shader model, nothing... :twisted:

By the time consoles come out, we'll already have new AMD and Nvidia series, making a console using something like 7970M well outdated...

GTX 780, a true successor to the 580!