Obsidian are liars and hacks - Rageaholic tells us how it is

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Kandlegoat

So you're tellin me that the user reviews were paid off as well? Everybody considered Fallout 3 to be the superior game. There's just a very vocal minority who support the buggy hot mess that is New Vegas.

I'm having trouble seeing how this proves me wrong about "New Vegas being a superior RPG and a true successor to the original 2 Fallouts?

Majority > Minority

Look I get that you think it's cool to be a hipster and hate on all the popular stuff, but that isn't the real world, ight? Things are popular for a reason. New Vegas was pissed on by the media and gamers alike because it was a subpar product. A disappointing piece of excrement, doomed to float down the eternal river of feces that is Obsidian's life work.

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

But dont let me stop you from trying to save face through "mainstream reviews".... because you're unable to counter anything I said.

drinkerofjuice

So you're tellin me that the user reviews were paid off as well? Everybody considered Fallout 3 to be the superior game. There's just a very vocal minority who support the buggy hot mess that is New Vegas.

New Vegas is a great game but i still think i prefer Fallout 3.

obsidian are one of the few devs i have any respect for these days, their games arnt perfect (no ones are) but they have great writing/stories which is what i like in a game, kotor 2 was pushed out the door way ahead of schedule by lucas and i still loved that game, cant wait to see what their kickstarter turns out like when they have no idiot publisher on their back

Fallout 3's biggest problem was not the bugs, but the awful game design.

Game design that still unfortunately tainted a bit of F:NV. Still, F:NV was a good game despite Fallout 3's stink.

Fallout 3's biggest problem was not the bugs, but the awful game design.

Game design that still unfortunately tainted a bit of F:NV. Still, F:NV was a good game despite Fallout 3's stink.

Maroxad

Elaborate?

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

So you're tellin me that the user reviews were paid off as well? Everybody considered Fallout 3 to be the superior game. There's just a very vocal minority who support the buggy hot mess that is New Vegas.

Master_ShakeXXX

I'm having trouble seeing how this proves me wrong about "New Vegas being a superior RPG and a true successor to the original 2 Fallouts?

Majority > Minority

Look I get that you think it's cool to be a hipster and hate on all the popular stuff, but that isn't the real world, ight? Things are popular for a reason. New Vegas was pissed on by the media and gamers alike because it was a subpar product. A disappointing piece of excrement, doomed to float down the eternal river of feces that is Obsidian's life work.

Except I dont prefer New Vegas over FO3 to be cool,I prefer New Vegas over FO3 for being a superior RPG and a truer successor to the original games" ...like i've already stated a few times in this thread.

And the fact that you actually think Popularity equals Quality shows that you're a fvcking idiot. That's like saying Twilight is a better written piece of Literature than Blood Meridian because it's more popular in the mainstream. :roll:

It's rather amusing seeing you use the whole "popular opinion" card when it suits your argument...Yet you flip-flop and conveniently disregard this same mindset when it comes to Nier or one of your *insert sh!t game is underrated masterpiece/flavor-of-the-month threads*

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

I'm having trouble seeing how this proves me wrong about "New Vegas being a superior RPG and a true successor to the original 2 Fallouts?

Kandlegoat

Majority > Minority

Look I get that you think it's cool to be a hipster and hate on all the popular stuff, but that isn't the real world, ight? Things are popular for a reason. New Vegas was pissed on by the media and gamers alike because it was a subpar product. A disappointing piece of excrement, doomed to float down the eternal river of feces that is Obsidian's life work.

Except I dont prefer New Vegas over FO3 to be cool,I prefer New Vegas over FO3 for being a superior RPG and a truer successor to the original games" ...like i've already stated a few times in this thread.

And the fact that you actually think Popularity equals Quality shows that you're a fvcking idiot. That's like saying Twilight is a better written piece of Literature than Blood Meridian because of a larger mainstream reception. :roll:

It's quite amusing seeing you use the whole "popular opinion" card when it suits your argument...Yet you flip-flop and conveniently disregard this same mindset when it comes to Nier or one of your *insert sh!t game is underrated masterpiece/flavor-of-the-month threads*

Hey now, name calling is not the answer. Arguments can only be won through kindness and respect.

Hey now, name calling is not the answer. Arguments can only be won through kindness and respect.

Master_ShakeXXX

Are you serious? You've ben sh*tting on fans and Obsidian backed by that grossly uninformed video ever since you starter this thread. That biased nature of yours makes me think you're just one of them trolls seeking attention and gobbling up every rage you succeed on creating.

Get the f*ck outa here, fool.

Majority > Minority

Look I get that you think it's cool to be a hipster and hate on all the popular stuff, but that isn't the real world, ight? Things are popular for a reason. New Vegas was pissed on by the media and gamers alike because it was a subpar product. A disappointing piece of excrement, doomed to float down the eternal river of feces that is Obsidian's life work.

Master_ShakeXXX

Gaming is a subjective experience, your personal experience of a game is utmost importance and value to you. If you hold another man's value over your own, then hey, it's my fault you're insecure about yourself. You respect opinions, you do not hold them over your own opinion as some numerical value that is absolute, because at the end of the day, they just be gamers playing games and informing other people on their personal experience, which will differ vastly from one person to another.

'Things' are popular because of marketing and brand power, and relatively a whole slew of influences that we can't comment on because we don't work in any domain of that nature. Anything els beside that are assumptions backed up by nothin.

New Vegas was well recieved (especially on the PC), but criticized because of its sloppy release, a release similar to every single Bethesda title by the way, yet Bethesda games get a pass because, you guessed it, brand power. You need proof? You play them games without any single patch. NV has ben long since fixed, and almost every Fallout fan likes, or loves it. You need proof? Go around websites, your town and make a statistical data report of people's opinion.

The burden of proof lies on you because you started this thread. All i see is bullsh*t that goes around in circles so much so that it has ben smudged all over this thread with its sole foundation on a poorly made, completely uninformed video.

Practically, this thread has ben nothing more than bait for fans to get mad at.

Practically, this thread has ben nothing more than bait for fans to get mad at.

Lucianu

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Majority > Minority

Look I get that you think it's cool to be a hipster and hate on all the popular stuff, but that isn't the real world, ight? Things are popular for a reason. New Vegas was pissed on by the media and gamers alike because it was a subpar product. A disappointing piece of excrement, doomed to float down the eternal river of feces that is Obsidian's life work.

Lucianu

Gaming is a subjective experience, your personal experience of a game is utmost importance and value to you. If you hold another man's value over your own, then hey, it's my fault you're insecure about yourself. You respect opinions, you do not hold them over your own opinion as some numerical value that is absolute, because at the end of the day, they just be gamers playing games and informing other people on their personal experience, which will differ vastly from one person to another.

'Things' are popular because of marketing and brand power, and relatively a whole slew of influences that we can't comment on because we don't work in any domain of that nature. Anything els beside that are assumptions backed up by nothin.

New Vegas was well recieved (especially on the PC), but criticized because of its sloppy release, a release similar to every single Bethesda title by the way, yet Bethesda games get a pass because, you guessed it, brand power. You need proof? You play them games without any single patch. NV has ben long since fixed, and almost every Fallout fan likes, or loves it. You need proof? Go around websites, your town and make a statistical data report of people's opinion.

The burden of proof lies on you because you started this thread. All i see is bullsh*t that goes around in circles so much so that it has ben smudged all over this thread with its sole foundation on a poorly made, completely uninformed video.

Practically, this thread has ben nothing more than bait for fans to get mad at.

So, you're saying you agree with me?

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Fallout 3's biggest problem was not the bugs, but the awful game design.

Game design that still unfortunately tainted a bit of F:NV. Still, F:NV was a good game despite Fallout 3's stink.

Ilovegames1992

Elaborate?

Auto aim you couldnt do anything about.
Bullet Sponge enemies
Terrible perk balance, not as bad as Skyrim's though
Being able to get 10 in every attribute AND 100 in every skill without all that much effort
A fair share of attributes being nearly useless.
Overall quest design
Green tint
The gunplay
Super Mutants easily killable as soon as you exit the vault
The best combat skill being... repair
VATS, the implementation of it to be exact

[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Bleh, just a bunch of hipster rubbish. Face it, Fallout received the most praise and awards when it was under Bethesda's care. Obsidian then dropped the ball. All one needs to do is compare the ratings between the two game, both critic and user scores. Fallout 3 is clearly the more beloved game.

Master_ShakeXXX

But dont let me stop you from trying to save face through "mainstream reviews".... because you're unable to counter anything I said.

So you're tellin me that the user reviews were paid off as well? Everybody considered Fallout 3 to be the superior game. There's just a very vocal minority who support the buggy hot mess that is New Vegas.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Fallout 3's biggest problem was not the bugs, but the awful game design.

Game design that still unfortunately tainted a bit of F:NV. Still, F:NV was a good game despite Fallout 3's stink.

Maroxad

Elaborate?

Auto aim you couldnt do anything about.
Bullet Sponge enemies
Terrible perk balance, not as bad as Skyrim's though
Being able to get 10 in every attribute AND 100 in every skill without all that much effort
A fair share of attributes being nearly useless.
Overall quest design
Green tint
The gunplay
Super Mutants easily killable as soon as you exit the vault
The best combat skill being... repair
VATS, the implementation of it to be exact

Seriously, where is this Obsidian hate coming from though. One of the better devs out there.

Gamers man, they just too much sometimes.

Seriously, where is this Obsidian hate coming from though. One of the better devs out there.

Gamers man, they just too much sometimes.

Ilovegames1992

Seriously, where is this Obsidian hate coming from though. One of the better devs out there.

Gamers man, they just too much sometimes.

Ilovegames1992

......Obsidian hate?

All I see is Bethesda hate as far as the eye can see. Shakes is the only one hating Obsidian, other than that everyone on System Wars pretty much loves them Obsidian.

So you're tellin me that the user reviews were paid off as well? Everybody considered Fallout 3 to be the superior game. There's just a very vocal minority who support the buggy hot mess that is New Vegas.

Master_ShakeXXX

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

So you're tellin me that the user reviews were paid off as well? Everybody considered Fallout 3 to be the superior game. There's just a very vocal minority who support the buggy hot mess that is New Vegas.

cain006

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Seriously, where is this Obsidian hate coming from though. One of the better devs out there.

Gamers man, they just too much sometimes.

texasgoldrush

No more buggy than Bethesda games no?

In my own personal view, Obsidian pumped out on of the best RPGs ever under intense pressure and time constraints. Will get a free pass from me :)

Neverwinter Nights was ok, haven't played much of it and i guess Alpha Protocol is bad but it had some good points.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Seriously, where is this Obsidian hate coming from though. One of the better devs out there.

Gamers man, they just too much sometimes.

texasgoldrush

Read: Obsidian fans hate BioWare and that makes me mad.

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Elaborate?

texasgoldrush

Auto aim you couldnt do anything about.
Bullet Sponge enemies
Terrible perk balance, not as bad as Skyrim's though
Being able to get 10 in every attribute AND 100 in every skill without all that much effort
A fair share of attributes being nearly useless.
Overall quest design
Green tint
The gunplay
Super Mutants easily killable as soon as you exit the vault
The best combat skill being... repair
VATS, the implementation of it to be exact

While I do agree on what you say. The inconsistant and silly writing and shallow characters are not game design flaws, they are flaws in the awful, awful writing ;)

The broken morality system is however. A game design flaw.

Oh man, if I could list everything wrong with Fallout 3, I could spend all day talking about it.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Maroxad"]

Auto aim you couldnt do anything about.
Bullet Sponge enemies
Terrible perk balance, not as bad as Skyrim's though
Being able to get 10 in every attribute AND 100 in every skill without all that much effort
A fair share of attributes being nearly useless.
Overall quest design
Green tint
The gunplay
Super Mutants easily killable as soon as you exit the vault
The best combat skill being... repair
VATS, the implementation of it to be exact

Maroxad

While I do agree on what you say. The inconsistant and silly writing and shallow characters are not game design flaws, they are flaws in the awful, awful writing ;)

The broken morality system is however. A game design flaw.

Oh man, if I could list everything wrong with Fallout 3, I could spend all day talking about it.

Who is this loser, Obsidian is the best rpg devs atm.

He says Alpha Protocol was unplayable... mmm I beat it twice in the first month it was out with no crashes or freezes... yes some bugs but nothing big (PC).

Who is this loser, Obsidian is the best rpg devs atm.

He says Alpha Protocol was unplayable... mmm I beat it twice in the first month it was out with no crashes or freezes... yes some bugs but nothing big (PC).

kozzy1234

Doesn't mean he didn't have any crashes/freezes.

Another idiot who wants more youtube views, that video was terrible.

KOTOR2, Alpha Protocol and New Vegas are better than 90% of the rpgs that come out these days

Another idiot who wants more youtube views, that video was terrible.

KOTOR2, Alpha Protocol and New Vegas are better than 90% of the rpgs that come out these days

kozzy1234

Who is this loser, Obsidian is the best rpg devs atm.

He says Alpha Protocol was unplayable... mmm I beat it twice in the first month it was out with no crashes or freezes... yes some bugs but nothing big (PC).

kozzy1234

I can enjoy some videos or articles on thsi kind of thing but the way this guy talks and acts is just hilarious. Just trying to be 'hip' and cool and get some views, annoying video is annoying.

I have experienced more bugs in Bethesda games to be honest, still have enjoyed there games, same goes for Obsidian except even more so as they make unique stories, characters and the best dialogue in gaming atm.

I can enjoy some videos or articles on thsi kind of thing but the way this guy talks and acts is just hilarious. Just trying to be 'hip' and cool and get some views, annoying video is annoying.

I have experienced more bugs in Bethesda games to be honest, still have enjoyed there games, same goes for Obsidian except even more so as they make unique stories, characters and the best dialogue in gaming atm.

kozzy1234

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Another idiot who wants more youtube views, that video was terrible.

KOTOR2, Alpha Protocol and New Vegas are better than 90% of the rpgs that come out these days

texasgoldrush

I did not read pretty much any of this thread but just wanted to point out the only time Obsidian can make a halfway decent game is when another development company hands them most of the resources Neverwinter Nights, Kotor, and Fallout. Lets see what happens when they actually have to make a game without the help of another developer Dungeon Siege III and Alpha Protocol. Obsidian is so overrated. I bet once South Park releases it will bomb also.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

Another idiot who wants more youtube views, that video was terrible.

KOTOR2, Alpha Protocol and New Vegas are better than 90% of the rpgs that come out these days

razgriz_101

[QUOTE="kozzy1234"]

I can enjoy some videos or articles on thsi kind of thing but the way this guy talks and acts is just hilarious. Just trying to be 'hip' and cool and get some views, annoying video is annoying.

I have experienced more bugs in Bethesda games to be honest, still have enjoyed there games, same goes for Obsidian except even more so as they make unique stories, characters and the best dialogue in gaming atm.

texasgoldrush