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#1 Valkrie_Knights
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"An important fact to keep in mind is that GeForce 7900 is 196 sqmm die size and X1900XTX is 352 sqmm. It is pretty amazing that a chip approximately one half the size of a competitive high-end chip can deliver overall winning performance for today's top 3D games, while consuming less power," Nick Stam, Nvidia's technical marketing director, said. "The 7900 is clearly more efficient architecturally, and this should also translate into lower street pricing."

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/09/ati_and_nvidias_same_day_mega_launch_mayhem/page4.html

:shock::shock::shock:Amazing, just amazing!  PS3's graphics chip is half the size of Xbox360's chip, yet PS3's graphics chip is more powerful.

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#2 fuzzysquash
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My hamburger is bigger than your hamburger, yet mine is more tasty.
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#3 warcraftdragon1
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Xbox 360 warm up really quickly.

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#4 McLarenAK47
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My hamburger is bigger than your hamburger, yet mine is more tasty.fuzzysquash

nice:)

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#5 Dr_Drooom
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It's not the size of the chip, it's how you use it. :wink:
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"An important fact to keep in mind is that GeForce 7900 is 196 sqmm die size and X1900XTX is 352 sqmm. It is pretty amazing that a chip approximately one half the size of a competitive high-end chip can deliver overall winning performance for today's top 3D games, while consuming less power," Nick Stam, Nvidia's technical marketing director, said. "The 7900 is clearly more efficient architecturally, and this should also translate into lower street pricing."

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/09/ati_and_nvidias_same_day_mega_launch_mayhem/page4.html

:shock::shock::shock:Amazing, just amazing!  PS3's graphics chip is half the size of Xbox360's chip, yet PS3's graphics chip is more powerful.

Valkrie_Knights

Since when did the PS3 have a 7900, and since when did my 360 have a X1900XTX in it?

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#7 Platyphyllum
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It's quite obvious that PS3 is smaller than X360. Just look at the screenshot sall over the web.
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#8 SerenadeOfMetal
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It's not the size of the chip, it's how you use it. :wink:Dr_Drooom


oh yeah baby
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[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]My hamburger is bigger than your hamburger, yet mine is more tasty.McLarenAK47

nice:)

i try...

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#10 Heishiro
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It's not the size of the chip, it's how you use it. :wink:Dr_Drooom
Yea Its also very powerful incase you haven't noticed :|
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[QUOTE="Valkrie_Knights"] "An important fact to keep in mind is that GeForce 7900 is 196 sqmm die size and X1900XTX is 352 sqmm. It is pretty amazing that a chip approximately one half the size of a competitive high-end chip can deliver overall winning performance for today's top 3D games, while consuming less power," Nick Stam, Nvidia's technical marketing director, said. "The 7900 is clearly more efficient architecturally, and this should also translate into lower street pricing."

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/09/ati_and_nvidias_same_day_mega_launch_mayhem/page4.html

:shock::shock::shock:Amazing, just amazing!  PS3's graphics chip is half the size of Xbox360's chip, yet PS3's graphics chip is more powerful.

StoVeic

Since when did the PS3 have a 7900, and since when did my 360 have a X1900XTX in it?

Exactly! And neither system is based off of these technologies so wth is this guy talking about?

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#12 Bender118
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none of the ps3s shown actually had anything in them ....so how can you say its smalller when all we ahve seen is a hollow shell
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#13 dcm06
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ok i know i might sounds stupid dont really understand what you all are talking about but i think gaming is the best if the games are good then thats what i want. graphics dont have to matter above everything else the media stuff doesnt have to count its the way the system plays games. thats the kind of system i want.  and i want them all.
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#14 -resident_evil-
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At least its smaller than the xbox360's power brick....

 As i have heard

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"An important fact to keep in mind is that GeForce 7900 is 196 sqmm die size and X1900XTX is 352 sqmm. It is pretty amazing that a chip approximately one half the size of a competitive high-end chip can deliver overall winning performance for today's top 3D games, while consuming less power," Nick Stam, Nvidia's technical marketing director, said. "The 7900 is clearly more efficient architecturally, and this should also translate into lower street pricing."

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/09/ati_and_nvidias_same_day_mega_launch_mayhem/page4.html

:shock::shock::shock:Amazing, just amazing!  PS3's graphics chip is half the size of Xbox360's chip, yet PS3's graphics chip is more powerful.

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actually the ps3's grpahics chip is not more powerful - it IS 50 MHZ faster, but that doesnt mean its a btter GPU.  If you think simply having more cores or higher MHZ or GHZ makes a bette rmachine - then your sadly unaware of the way PC's and mahcines work.

AMD has been owning INTEL for a long time with chips that are "less powerful" by your stadnards...

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#16 Corails
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Why the ps3 will have a G71 aka 7900  here why:

 

G71 is the Playstation 3 RSX chip

Both 90 nanometre G70 derivatives

By Fuad Abazovic: vendredi 04 novembre 2005, 14:23NVIDIA CALLS its 90 nanometre graphic core of Playstation 3, RSX. This graphic chip is set to work at 550MHz and Nvidia can guarantee that a million chips will work at this speed as it's not that challenging at this process level. Nvidia can obviously make G70 work fine at 550MHz but it can not ship millions of those chips, more likely tens of thousands.

When it comes to Playstation RSX we have every reason to believe that this chip is already taped out, as Nvidia plans to have G71 in Q1 2006 already. We expect to see some of these cards even before CeBIT in March 2006.

We managed to confirm that we can actually talk about RSX, as it's G71 and vice versa. Sony just wants millions of chips and it can get them at 90 nanometre. When it comes to graphic performance, the RSX can process 24 pixels with its 24 pipelines while an Xbox 360 powered with ATI's Xenos, R500 chip can do no more no less than double, 48 pixels per clock.

When it comes to G71 as a graphic chip, Nvidia will get that chip to insane speeds and we expect at least 650 to 700MHz for the cherry picked top of the range.

Best of all, Sony and Nvidia can position the Geforce 7800 GTX with 512MB to be the performance estimates of RSX chips but we doubt that RSX will have memory working at an insane 1700MHz plus.

Remember RSX is here to stay for at least five more years and it has to go down to 65 nanometre and 45 in next few years to make it cheaper to produce

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27463

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#17 AgeOfConsent
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It's not the size of the chip, it's how you use it. :wink:Dr_Drooom

..says the guy with the smaller chip.

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#18 Himmel
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[QUOTE="McLarenAK47"]

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]My hamburger is bigger than your hamburger, yet mine is more tasty.fuzzysquash

nice:)

i try...



Was that a pro-360 comment?
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#19 dcm06
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waz all that old specs are is that really wat the systems have in them? i dont know to much about the systems only thing i know is ps3 has blu ray and cell. 360 has a xenos or something. well i dont really care how powerful a game system is but which one is most powerful?
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#20 AHUGECAT
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The 360 is pretty huge cause of the power brick. Many people forget about it.

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#21 Me_Ur_Daddy_
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does the zephyr have the powa brick or did they make it internal ? i wanna buy one but if i have that clunky thing swinging from the sleek ps3ish lookin 360 then fogettaboutit
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#22 dcm06
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this their talking more about graphics. 360s power brick is on the outside.
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#23 Me_Ur_Daddy_
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ya we know where the power brick is, the point is the power brick makes the 360 bigger which is the point, cus its in the title. imagine if that brick was on the inside of the regular console that thing would be like live c4 ready to explode with all the heat lol all i know is they really thought out the ps3, cus that thing has no power brick and it still gets less heat and is quieter.
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#24 joeychew
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i always tot ps3 is bigger than x360......because of the built in power brick....
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#25 007ybse04
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ATI Xenos has 10MB framebuffer inside. (very very close to GPU)
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#26 boyinfridge
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the ps3 is bigger than the 360 you strange people have you never seen them together of course the ps3 is bigger the damn thing weighs more than my fridge.
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[QUOTE="Valkrie_Knights"]"An important fact to keep in mind is that GeForce 7900 is 196 sqmm die size and X1900XTX is 352 sqmm. It is pretty amazing that a chip approximately one half the size of a competitive high-end chip can deliver overall winning performance for today's top 3D games, while consuming less power," Nick Stam, Nvidia's technical marketing director, said. "The 7900 is clearly more efficient architecturally, and this should also translate into lower street pricing."

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/09/ati_and_nvidias_same_day_mega_launch_mayhem/page4.html

:shock::shock::shock:Amazing, just amazing! PS3's graphics chip is half the size of Xbox360's chip, yet PS3's graphics chip is more powerful.



I thought everyone was clear that X-box 360 GPU is overall better than PS3's GPU.
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#28 dcm06
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this is an old thread i just brought it back to life wondering which system was powerful. i dont really mind which one is more powerful i love them both really. just wanted to know more about the tech stuff so was hoping fanboys would have another go at it so i could get more info lol.
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#29 ishxan
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[QUOTE="Supafly1"][QUOTE="Valkrie_Knights"]"An important fact to keep in mind is that GeForce 7900 is 196 sqmm die size and X1900XTX is 352 sqmm. It is pretty amazing that a chip approximately one half the size of a competitive high-end chip can deliver overall winning performance for today's top 3D games, while consuming less power," Nick Stam, Nvidia's technical marketing director, said. "The 7900 is clearly more efficient architecturally, and this should also translate into lower street pricing."

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/03/09/ati_and_nvidias_same_day_mega_launch_mayhem/page4.html

:shock::shock::shock:Amazing, just amazing! PS3's graphics chip is half the size of Xbox360's chip, yet PS3's graphics chip is more powerful.



I thought everyone was clear that X-box 360 GPU is overall better than PS3's GPU.

Same... Plus that's an NVIDIA dude talking, so I would take that with a grain of salt. ATI card always have better PQ. As a single card X1900XTX > 7900GTX...
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#30 UpSwing
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So many missinformed people.

The PS3 is infact LARGER AND HEAVIER than the 360. Go do a search and you'll see it's true.

Also, the RSX is NOT more powerful than the Xenos.

 
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#31 magus-21
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So many missinformed people.

The PS3 is infact LARGER AND HEAVIER than the 360. Go do a search and you'll see it's true.

Also, the RSX is NOT more powerful than the Xenos.

UpSwing
The PS3 is only larger and heavier because its PSU is built in.
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#32 dcm06
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[QUOTE="dcm06"]ok i know i might sounds stupid dont really understand what you all are talking about but i think gaming is the best if the games are good then thats what i want. graphics dont have to matter above everything else the media stuff doesnt have to count its the way the system plays games. thats the kind of system i want. and i want them all.

i think this was on of the best things said in the 2006 post lol. this was all way back from march 10 2006. 1st post ever with dcm was on november 30 2005. and i was signed up as mrhappygamer or something like that back in 2002 -2004 and then i got banned or something. lol i dont even know why im talkinig about that anyways back to system war main page.
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#33 dcm06
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so why are 360s heating up if power brick is outside of system?
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#34 magus-21
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so why are 360s heating up if power brick is outside of system?dcm06
Because the biggest generators of heat are the CPU and the GPU.
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#35 dcm06
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oh all righty. just hope my 360 doesnt get red light.
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#36 daveg1
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Amazing, just amazing!  PS3's graphics chip is half the size of Xbox360's chip, yet PS3's graphics chip is more powerful.

NOOB!!!

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#37 Citan_Uzuki
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as a playstation fan I have to say the ps3 is bigger than the 360. just go to your local games store if they have both displayed its quite easy to see.
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Amazing, just amazing! PS3's graphics chip is half the size of Xbox360's chip, yet PS3's graphics chip is more powerful.

NOOB!!!

daveg1

did you even look at the date of the post....

he bumped a thread from last spring
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#39 Hewkii
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I thought the PS3 had a 7800...
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#40 Xbox_PWNS_YOU
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It's not the size of the chip, it's how you use it. :wink:Dr_Drooom

Funny how people that say that usually have small chips. ;)

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#41 lowe0
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[QUOTE="Platyphyllum"]It's quite obvious that PS3 is smaller than X360. Just look at the screenshot sall over the web.

Not really. They're about the same size; the PS3 looks to be a little deeper to me. Of course, the 360 has its power supply on an external brick, but I kinda like that (as I can just get the power supply replaced if it fails, hoping that it didn't take out the system in the process). However, who cares about the size of console systems? My center channel speaker could swallow either system, and I don't have a big center. Where do people who whine about how consoles are too big put their receiver?
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#42 machitocaliente
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X1900XTX = 256 bit interface. SORRY XENOS IS NOT 256 bit. XENOS IS EVEN LESS POWERFUL THAN X800 GPU ( BUT MORE FLEXIBLE)
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#43 braydee1234
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What're you on about? the PS3 is larger than the original Xbox, let alone the 360.
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#44 OhhSnap50893
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PS3 is smaller? O rly?
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#45 Dreams-Visions
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[QUOTE="daveg1"]

Amazing, just amazing! PS3's graphics chip is half the size of Xbox360's chip, yet PS3's graphics chip is more powerful.

NOOB!!!

hockeyruler12

did you even look at the date of the post....

he bumped a thread from last spring

the question is what in the hell for....?
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#46 wezzybrems
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the ps3 is bigger than the 360 you strange people have you never seen them together of course the ps3 is bigger the damn thing weighs more than my fridge.boyinfridge


LOL

360 is smaller because THIS is INTERNAL with ps3
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#47 machitocaliente
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X1900XTX = 256 bit interface. SORRY XENOS IS NOT 256 bit. XENOS IS EVEN LESS POWERFUL THAN X800 GPU ( BUT MORE FLEXIBLE) machitocaliente
X800 moved the Ruby demo at 60 fps. XENOS was running at 30fps with some drops here and there
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#48 djestar
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For those who still believe the playstation GPU is more powerful than the 360 GPU are definitely blind fanboys.
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#49 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="OhhSnap50893"]PS3 is smaller? O rly?


QFT
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#50 asmallchild
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Uhhh...these aren't portable systems. Who cares what the size of each system is?