Nintendo: We don't have Competition

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Posted by FreedomFreeLife (3170 posts) 1 year, 2 months ago

Poll: Nintendo: We don't have Competition (67 votes)

Nintendo is right. Sony and Microsoft are not competitors 19%
Nintendo is wrong. Sony and Microsoft are competitors 81%

Satoru Iwata: “Instead, we should continue to make our best efforts to seek a blue ocean with no rivals and create a new market with innovative offerings as a medium- to long-term goal.”

So, there are no such thing like Microsoft or Sony. Nintendo ignores Competition

Reggie: We don’t care what the gaming competitors are doing(2 years back)

http://nintendoenthusiast.com/news/nintendo-still-looking-compete-direclty-competition/

#2 Posted by T3H_1337_N1NJ4 (2124 posts) -

Horrible reading comprehension you got there.

#3 Posted by charizard1605 (60306 posts) -

This statement was years ago, why bring it back now?

#4 Posted by FreedomFreeLife (3170 posts) -

@charizard1605 said:

This statement was years ago, why bring it back now?

Did you even read? Reggie said we don´t have competition and now Iwata(right now) keeps saying that too.

He said they don´t need better online, or powerful console or any 3rd party support. Iwata said that only AAA exclusive can make Nintendo console sell and thats what they only care.

#5 Edited by MonsieurX (31384 posts) -

@charizard1605 said:

This statement was years ago, why bring it back now?

Because FreedomFreeLife

#6 Edited by Netret0120 (2862 posts) -

This was years ago. Irrelevant now.

#7 Edited by Netret0120 (2862 posts) -

This was years ago. Irrelevant now.

#8 Posted by FreedomFreeLife (3170 posts) -

@MonsieurX said:

@charizard1605 said:

This statement was years ago, why bring it back now?

Because FreedomFreeLife

No, because you TOO FUCKING STUPID.

LEARN TO READ, HE SAID THAT 9HR AGO !!!

#9 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

At this point, I feel so sorry for Nintendo. I have never in my life seen a bigger case of denial than that which is known as Nintendo.

#10 Edited by chikenfriedrice (10738 posts) -

Good way not to lose

#11 Edited by silversix_ (15584 posts) -

Zero competition and fail to sale their system when no1 is competing with them? How pathetic is that on a scale of 1-10?

#12 Posted by MonsieurX (31384 posts) -

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@MonsieurX said:

@charizard1605 said:

This statement was years ago, why bring it back now?

Because FreedomFreeLife

No, because you TOO FUCKING STUPID.

LEARN TO READ, HE SAID THAT 9HR AGO !!!

Stroke a nerve or something?

#13 Edited by FreedomFreeLife (3170 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

At this point, I feel so sorry for Nintendo. I have never in my life seen a bigger case of denial than that which is known as Nintendo.

But same thing with Nintendo fanboys.

Sony and Microsoft buyers: Why there is no online, achivements and 3rd party games???

Sony and Microsoft: We don´t need online, achivements and 3rd party games.

Sony and Microsoft buyers: What? We want online, achivements and more 3rd party games.

Sony and Microsoft: Alright, we give you all better online, achivements and 3rd party games.

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Nintendo buyers: Why there is no online, achivements and 3rd party games???

Nintendo: Because there is no competition at all. We don´t need any online, achivements or 3rd party games

Nintendo buyers: Nintendo is right, Nintendo is always right. We don´t need shitty online, achivements and 3rd party games like Playstation and Xbox owners. We got Mario and Zelda and we don´t need nothing more.

Sad but true. Sony and Microsoft buyers wants more, company gives more. Nintendo gives nothing and Nintendo console buyers says nothing about that, instead they start supporting Nintendo even more.

#14 Posted by FireEmblem_Man (8997 posts) -

They had the Blue Ocean Market in their hands on the Wii in 2009, but through it all away in favor of bad games like Metroid: Other M and Skyward Sword :o

#15 Edited by silversix_ (15584 posts) -

Zero competition and fail to sale their system when no1 is competing with them? How pathetic is that on a scale of 1-10?

@MonsieurX said:

@FreedomFreeLife said:

@MonsieurX said:

@charizard1605 said:

This statement was years ago, why bring it back now?

Because FreedomFreeLife

No, because you TOO FUCKING STUPID.

LEARN TO READ, HE SAID THAT 9HR AGO !!!

Stroke a nerve or something?

Have you ever left a comment longer than a sentence

OPTIONS:

1-Yes

2-No

3-You're not allowed to know

#16 Posted by bbkkristian (14967 posts) -

LOL TC mad as f***. XD

#17 Edited by dobzilian (2817 posts) -

They should try going for the "green ocean" strategy and try and sell some consoles for Green rather than carrying on the same strategy from the Wii era. Bayonetta 2 better be worth waiting for or I be looking getting a decent pc.

Oh and Nintendo are in direct competition with Sony and MS. All 3 are competing for my money so if its sonyms or nintendo say "oh x isnt a rival" then theyre BS-ing.

#19 Posted by DocSanchez (2144 posts) -

You don't get to wave your competitors away. Ultimately your customers decide who your competitors are, not you.

#20 Posted by Comduter (2232 posts) -

TC is wrong. Nintendo stated a long time ago that they have no "direct competitors", however MS and Sony are still competitors none-the-less.

#21 Edited by mariokart64fan (19628 posts) -

they dont , you got a problem with that,

the games they make are different , have been for 20 years , no body can come close to nintendo in terms of quality , thats a known fact

you guys have a problem its called fANBOYISM AND THERE IS NO CURE

#22 Posted by Chozofication (3561 posts) -

@dobzilian said:

They should try going for the "green ocean" strategy and try and sell some consoles for Green rather than carrying on the same strategy from the Wii era. Bayonetta 2 better be worth waiting for or I be looking getting a decent pc.

Oh and Nintendo are in direct competition with Sony and MS. All 3 are competing for my money so if its sonyms or nintendo say "oh x isnt a rival" then theyre BS-ing.

Bayonetta should be pretty great.

#23 Edited by Boddicker (2984 posts) -

So Nintendo is only competing with.........themselves?

*facepalm*

I see Nintendo going the way of Atari and Sega within the next decade.

#24 Edited by jsmoke03 (13076 posts) -

@charizard1605 said:

This statement was years ago, why bring it back now?

because they should have looked at the competition thats why

#25 Edited by Renegade_Fury (17395 posts) -

They're so ridiculously lost, and yesterday's presentation proves that they're still no where close to realizing it either.

#26 Edited by AznbkdX (3498 posts) -

Reading comprehension son. Learn it.

If anything this proves that they are in competition with them.

#27 Edited by DarthBilf (1356 posts) -

I made my vote before I actually read the non-quote. So please mentally subtract one vote from the Nintendo is wrong tally. And add it to the Nintendo is right tally just to mess with the TC.

#28 Posted by stuff238 (924 posts) -

Nintendo: we have no competition.

Everyone else: But you make video game consoles/games and your in the same stores/sections that M$ and Sony are in. Also the rest of the world says you are.

Nintendo: we have no competition, wii make innovative new experiences.

Everyone else: We have had motion gaming since the 90's, touch screens from 10 years ago, and sony/m$ are at least 10 years ahead of you hardware wise. Dont even get us started on your terrible online.

Nintendo: Please, understand.

Everyone: face_palm.

#29 Edited by Speak_Low (1241 posts) -

Most of what Iwata and Reggie say sound exactly like what losers say when the tables have turned on them quickly, and they try to make a clever twist on the nature of competition.

There are many quotes from Reggie where he directly confronts MS and Sony and mentions them all the time - something something about how MS and Sony need to react to what Nintendo is doing (stupid quote of his from Wii U launch), and then later, when he said MS and Sony need more games like Nintendo (another stupid quote prior to the holiday season). This company is so delusional and dumb.

Nintendo is all over the place because they like to make empty boasts, showboating their "prowess" to the press, but then are full of bashful apologies to the investors, making constant excuses for why things didn't work as expected.

What a whiny, babyish company. Go make your dumb health products now and pretend you're going to be the leader there too, after leaving your core gamers high and dry. You announce the release date of your dumb health thing but don't even announce when Zelda will come out.

Rip off company thinking they own the place. LOL. This company couldn't even sell consoles or satisfy the core or casual gamers with the Wii U when PS4 and X1 weren't even on the market!

#30 Posted by turtlethetaffer (17110 posts) -

In related news, I scratched my ass today.

#31 Edited by AznbkdX (3498 posts) -

I understand Reggie's comment could cause a stir, but I don't see ANYTHING about not having competition in that Iwata quote. If anything, if they are looking for a new blue ocean, that means they want to stay away from competition, which means they had it in the first place.

Is that really that illogical of an assumption? Apparently in this thread it is. Then again I'm just preaching to no one since clearly a lot of people didn't read the quote carefully. If you read the presentation they also went over this as well, but I guess it's understandable that not many would read that.

#32 Edited by crimsonman1245 (4253 posts) -

If i were in charge of Nintendo's PR i wouldn't allow any management to speak to the media, the less people know about the little world that Iwata and co live in the better.

#33 Posted by StormyJoe (6358 posts) -

Its interesting how different the corporate world views this industry compared to fanboys.

Another example: in Microsoft's, Sony's, and Nintendo's 10-K reports, they do not list the PC as a competitor for their consoles.

#34 Edited by mehgat0n (34 posts) -

They are saying that Nintendo isn't interested in direct competion, as in offering slight variations of what's already popular. This business model is based on brute forcing your way into an established market with aggressive marketing, loss leading, razor blade pricing and all that crap.

In other words the last thing you'll get from Nintendo is a high end gaming console where homogenized western-centric AAA blockbuster games are predominant. Because that market is crowded i.e. red ocean.

Basically the counter argument to Nintendo's philosophy is that Nintendo should just give what gamers want. That they should take a look at what the NPD sales data says and adjust their output accordingly. Nintendo on the other hand refuses to do so by principle, for better or worse. Yamauchi's famous comment of "if it succeeds we will rise to heaven, but if it fails we will sink to hell" is Nintendo's motto. They'll keep offering propositions you never thought would work and while sometimes they don't, occasionally they strike gold.

#35 Edited by mehgat0n (34 posts) -

@crimsonman1245: Nintendo is a publicly traded company which means they are obligated to explain the reasoning behind their decisions, so yeah not possible.

#36 Posted by caseypayne69 (5390 posts) -

All three sell a hunk of plastic with controllers attached. All three are in the same console market. Wii U launched early to get a lead on its competition and failed.

Nintendo is mind warped and in denial and those that said no drink the Kool Aid.

#37 Posted by g0ddyX (3914 posts) -

Delusional. Like the Nintendo bosses, some of the fanboys are like that too.
The competition and last gen beat Wii U in everything, even without competion for it's 1 year of release.
In matter of a few days, X1 and PS4 have provided heck of a lot more, even PS3 and 360 does this.

#38 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (17178 posts) -

In order to be in competition you 1st gotta find the common factors and compare them. Which is highly unlikel since Nintendo and MicroSony are going in differen't directions, its like saying A Football player and an Hockey Player are competing against one another, even though their both sports, they barely have any simularities, there fore are not competing.

For example MicroSony has favoured the Online multiplayer path and Nintendo the Local Multiplayer path, therefore no competition, saying MicroSony has better online features is like saying an Orange is a better Citrus fruit than an apple. Its totally true and extremely stupid.

Classic "apples and oranges", people !

#39 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (26092 posts) -

I could make a joke saying that he's right considering there is no market for WiiU, but the reality is that this as Delusional as Nintendo can get.

If they really don't think there is competition then they deserve the treatment they're primarily getting with WiiU.

#40 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (17178 posts) -

@ LegatoSkyheart

The Wii U doesn't target the same Audience as the Microsoft and Sony do. A gain for Microsoft and Sony is not a loss for Nintendo if each consumer wants something different.

#41 Posted by superbuuman (3128 posts) -

@Lulu_Lulu said:

@ LegatoSkyheart

The Wii U doesn't target the same Audience as the Microsoft and Sony do. A gain for Microsoft and Sony is not a loss for Nintendo if each consumer wants something different.

please ..they (all 3) target gamers...all 3 will have singstar/dance/fitness/family friendly games...difference is Wii U will miss out on most/if not all 3rd parties action titles. Stop trying to say Nintendo doesn't compete..they are competing when they make a game console..that's just Iwata's defeatist BS stance.

#42 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (17178 posts) -

@ superbuuman

Its the same with Music and movies, theres subcategories with in them that that cater to differen't people. Its not "Sony makes movies and I watch movies so just give me whatever they got deeeeeerrrrrp !".

You may find it hard to believe but Sony and Microsoft are in a category different to Nintendo, they don't do the same type of games nor do they play them sameway meaning they will have non-competing target audiences. Differen't directions dude. Would I be competing with you if I decided to argue about something else in another website, nope, I would just be going somewhere else to do something different.

Gamers are not the same and don't want the same things. Hows more copies of Killzone or Ryse being sold a loss for Nintendo if Nintendo and Wii U owners never wanted those in the 1st place ? Same applies to third Party stuff, Sheep simply don't play them. Its not advantageous for a 3rd Party company to make Assassin's Creed or Battlefield for a console whos owners show no history of ever wanting games like that.

Its the same with Consoles and the Strategy and Simulation Genre. Console gamers simply show no interest, its not a loss to Sony or Microsoft if PCs get all the strategy games consoles never wanted and hermits always did.

More people watching Rom-Coms is not a Loss to Michael Bay and other People who don't do Rom-Coms.

I could go on forever (because you're argument is weak and you didn'r think this through)

You know what you're doing ? You're a dog fighter who makes cats compete just so his dog can get a win. Are you gona drag in CD Players and Say DVD players are better because it plays Videos next, you want your toys that win that badly ? You probably do.

Thats pretty shallow and sad dude. Sheep simply don't want you want, plain and simply.

#43 Posted by FreedomFreeLife (3170 posts) -

Nintendo had luck with Wii but not anymore.

Nintendo never learns uh?

#44 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (26092 posts) -

@superbuuman said:

@Lulu_Lulu said:

@ LegatoSkyheart

The Wii U doesn't target the same Audience as the Microsoft and Sony do. A gain for Microsoft and Sony is not a loss for Nintendo if each consumer wants something different.

please ..they (all 3) target gamers...all 3 will have singstar/dance/fitness/family friendly games...difference is Wii U will miss out on most/if not all 3rd parties action titles. Stop trying to say Nintendo doesn't compete..they are competing when they make a game console..that's just Iwata's defeatist BS stance.

exactly.

The WiiU has everything that the other consoles have minus the actual 3rd Party Support.

The WiiU's Launch Line Up was near perfect. The Only bad thing was there wasn't a game from Nintendo themselves that would have drawn the "Hardcore" crowd to the system.

#45 Edited by Lulu_Lulu (17178 posts) -

@ LegatoSkyheart

The other consoles don't place an emphasis on Local Multiplayer, or Platformers, or just great gameplay in general (they mask it with Story and Cinematics.... Or skinner box elements, its just an oppinion). As for things like Service Apps and TV and playing BDs and DVDs and Media files, its not gaming related (Hell even Kinect 2 has been relegated to glorified remote status) and I bet you already have devices that do those things far better and are more convenient, easier to use. From a simple device perspective they are competing, not only with with other consoles but anything with a circut board in which case its actually better to own a PC, it does fucking everything ! But thats not the context. The context is just gaming, and in that context they are not. Not as long as Nintendo doesn't go the way of online (And Microsoft and Sony don't go the way of Local features), 3rd Party (which is usually Shooters) and Power (which would be nice for Multiple Wii U Tablets Controllers).

Only problem is the Price of the damn thing, but 1st consider this: you pay XBL Gold and PS+to have all those extra features that the Nintendo does not. Something to consider when taking Value into account.

#46 Posted by HalcyonScarlet (5050 posts) -

Yeah they have no competition, so where have all their gone?

What is actually different about the Wii U? A touch screen? Please.

They could say that about the Wii and I think a lot of people agreed, but not the Wii U.

#47 Posted by HitmanActual (419 posts) -
@Boddicker said:

So Nintendo is only competing with.........themselves?


...and still losing.

#48 Edited by Crossel777 (5684 posts) -

The fact that they don't consider themselves a part of the competition is probably just a shitty excuse to not even bother fixing their crappy mistakes they've made. Maybe they're just that lazy to even bother fixing Wii U's problems. It will just fix itself I guess.. Idiots.

#49 Posted by cainetao11 (18786 posts) -

Well if consumers are spending their money on a ps4 or x1 then yes Nintendo, you have competition for those dollars. Spin, lie, whatever makes you feel warm and cozy in that warehouse with all those unwanted wiiu's.

#50 Posted by lamprey263 (25004 posts) -

so in other words, more gimmick gambits