Nintendo says the 3DS is 'bad for kids eyes'. Doctors say 'No it's not.'

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#1 Posted by Willy105 (24587 posts) -

Nintendo has always been worried about health. They have about 5 warning screens before a game even begins. They developed Friend Codes for the explicit reason to keep online dangers away from their community. And with a new game system that uses real 3D imagery, they went out and said that kids under 6 cannot use the 3DS in 3D mode.

But apparently doctors say the opposite. They say that those fancy 3D screens can help in detection of undiagnosed vision problems. If they are having trouble in watching a natural 3D image like the 3DS, that means they have found a problem with the kid's eyes, and because of their young age, they can quickly diagnose it and have more time to cure it.

Eye Specialists actually got up and said that Nintendo is being ridiculous, and that there is nothing wrong with it.

Only in Nintendo's world would the doctors defend the videogames and the game companies try to take them down. :|

But let's see the PSP2 do that.

#2 Posted by bobcheeseball (9307 posts) -
Yep, sounds about right
#3 Posted by mexicangordo (8657 posts) -

Wow thats really really awesome! I was incredible worried about it because I have a lot of eye problems, depth perception included and was worried that I wouldn't be able to use the system.

#4 Posted by Baranga (14217 posts) -

Nintendo is just preemptively defending against inevitable lawsuits, courtesy of dumb parents. You know some dumbass will try to sue them for his 3DS addicted kid's bad eyesight.

#5 Posted by enterawesome (9477 posts) -
Exactly what I said. That warning was flame shield from any potential lawsuit that might come from some kid who claims his eyes were poorly affected by this new tech. There's no reason it could hurt people's eyes unless the screen was made with nuclear waste or something, and then it would do a lot worse than **** up eyes.
#6 Posted by Nintendonly (1409 posts) -

Nintendo has always been worried about health. They have about 5 warning screens before a game even begins. They developed Friend Codes for the explicit reason to keep online dangers away from their community. And with a new game system that uses real 3D imagery, they went out and said that kids under 6 cannot use the 3DS in 3D mode.

But apparently doctors say the opposite. They say that those fancy 3D screens can help in detection of undiagnosed vision problems. If they are having trouble in watching a natural 3D image like the 3DS, that means they have found a problem with the kid's eyes, and because of their young age, they can quickly diagnose it and have more time to cure it.

Eye Specialists actually got up and said that Nintendo is being ridiculous, and that there is nothing wrong with it.

Only in Nintendo's world would the doctors defend the videogames and the game companies try to take them down. :|

But let's see the PSP2 do that.

Willy105

Post this on GAF, Willy.

Unless you've been banned.

#7 Posted by Cherokee_Jack (32198 posts) -

Wow thats really really awesome! I was incredible worried about it because I have a lot of eye problems, depth perception included and was worried that I wouldn't be able to use the system.

mexicangordo

Well, it doesn't mean that everyone will be able to use the 3D, just that 5 year olds are OK to use it and won't go blind.

#8 Posted by SaltyMeatballs (25158 posts) -
Clearly they must be lying :P Inb4 WilliamRLBaker 20/20 vision can't see 3D.
#9 Posted by Willy105 (24587 posts) -

Post this on GAF, Willy.

Unless you've been banned.

Nintendonly
They're grown, they can post it themselves.
#10 Posted by super600 (31101 posts) -
The first good thing article I read today. After all those weird game news stories and the Ign article about Activision I wannted to find something good to read for once. I hope nintendo scales back these warnings if what the docters said is true.
#11 Posted by TheOtherTheoG (2287 posts) -
Next thing you know, Jack Thompson will start rambling on about how GTA 4 helps children's coordination and gives them a better understanding of difficulties in life. Once he's out of prison, of course.
#12 Posted by ianuilliam (4955 posts) -

Wow thats really really awesome! I was incredible worried about it because I have a lot of eye problems, depth perception included and was worried that I wouldn't be able to use the system.

mexicangordo

Do you have problems with stereoscopic 3d? If so, the autostereoscopic screen won't work much better...

#13 Posted by mexicangordo (8657 posts) -

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

Wow thats really really awesome! I was incredible worried about it because I have a lot of eye problems, depth perception included and was worried that I wouldn't be able to use the system.

Cherokee_Jack

Well, it doesn't mean that everyone will be able to use the 3D, just that 5 year olds are OK to use it and won't go blind.

Yea I understand the 3D part, I can't even see 3D imagery in movies (Avatar included) But Im hoping with having it close to me, and being able to play with the angles that I can see it better.

#14 Posted by mexicangordo (8657 posts) -

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

Wow thats really really awesome! I was incredible worried about it because I have a lot of eye problems, depth perception included and was worried that I wouldn't be able to use the system.

ianuilliam

Do you have problems with stereoscopic 3d? If so, the autostereoscopic screen won't work much better...

I dont know what stereoscopic 3d, is that the main use of 3d in movies and stuff? If so then yes I do.

#15 Posted by Willy105 (24587 posts) -

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

Wow thats really really awesome! I was incredible worried about it because I have a lot of eye problems, depth perception included and was worried that I wouldn't be able to use the system.

ianuilliam

Do you have problems with stereoscopic 3d? If so, the autostereoscopic screen won't work much better...

For the uninitiated, stereostopic 3D isn't going to cause problems with anybody, it's the way you experience it. Stereostopic 3D is how you see in real life. You have two eyes, you see in stereo. The 3DS screen is giving you two images, one for each eye, so you are seeing the game world just as you would in real life. The problem is how you experience that 3D. If you are in a car in a bumpy road, you will be watching a shaky 3D world inside a device you hold in your hands in a 3D world that is moving all around. Just thinking about it makes me dizzy.
#16 Posted by Willy105 (24587 posts) -

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

Wow thats really really awesome! I was incredible worried about it because I have a lot of eye problems, depth perception included and was worried that I wouldn't be able to use the system.

mexicangordo

Do you have problems with stereoscopic 3d? If so, the autostereoscopic screen won't work much better...

I dont know what stereoscopic 3d, is that the main use of 3d in movies and stuff? If so then yes I do.

Stereostopic 3D means a 3D image from two 2D images. Like real life. You have two eyes. Each eye creates a 2D image. Your brain combines both 2D images into a 3D one.
#17 Posted by Half-Way (5001 posts) -

Nintendo is just preemptively defending against inevitable lawsuits, courtesy of dumb parents. You know some dumbass will try to sue them for his 3DS addicted kid's bad eyesight.

Baranga

this obviously.

#18 Posted by catfishmoon23 (5197 posts) -

Like they always say, Nintendo knows bes----

Er...

...I mean the doctor knows best :P

#19 Posted by ianuilliam (4955 posts) -

[QUOTE="ianuilliam"]

[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

Wow thats really really awesome! I was incredible worried about it because I have a lot of eye problems, depth perception included and was worried that I wouldn't be able to use the system.

Willy105

Do you have problems with stereoscopic 3d? If so, the autostereoscopic screen won't work much better...

For the uninitiated, stereostopic 3D isn't going to cause problems with anybody, it's the way you experience it. Stereostopic 3D is how you see in real life. You have two eyes, you see in stereo. The 3DS screen is giving you two images, one for each eye, so you are seeing the game world just as you would in real life. The problem is how you experience that 3D. If you are in a car in a bumpy road, you will be watching a shaky 3D world inside a device you hold in your hands in a 3D world that is moving all around. Just thinking about it makes me dizzy.

Not exactly. In the real world, depth perception (aka, seeing in 3d) is only partially due to stereoscopic (seeing a different image with each eye) vision. The brain uses a lot of different cues to determine depth, and only a few of them rely on two eyes. For this reason, people with partial or even full blindness in one eye still have passable depth perception. The 3d effect in "3-d" movies and games is purely stereoscopic, meaning if you have partial or full blindness in one eye, you will not be able to see the effect. This is true whether you are using glasses or glasses-free stereoscopic 3d screens. It won't necesarily hurt you (although it causes headaches and nausea in some viewers), and in the case of the 3ds, the effect can be turned off, but for anyone that can't see the 3d effect with glasses and was hoping that the 3ds would be some kind of incredible 3d experience... not likely to happen.

#20 Posted by GreenGoblin2099 (16988 posts) -

Months later, we learn that this doctor was on ninty's payroll...

[spoiler] :P [/spoiler]

#21 Posted by nintendo-4life (18281 posts) -
Again, the warning is to keep lawsuits at bay.. Nothing else.
#22 Posted by Heil68 (47189 posts) -
In moderation I imagine it will be fine.
#23 Posted by sinpkr (1255 posts) -

u relize they just say this to cover their own buts in case of a law suit. many companies do this its not a big deal.

#24 Posted by Loco_Live (3147 posts) -

But let's see the PSP2 do that.

Willy105

▲ Lets see if the 3DS can have a decent list of games for launch. ▲

#25 Posted by Espada12 (23248 posts) -

Clearly they must be lying :P Inb4 WilliamRLBaker 20/20 vision can't see 3D.SaltyMeatballs

He said he can't stand watching it for long periods of time.... I believe him because I can't either and I have 20/20.

#26 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (28506 posts) -

wow thats really awesome...completely wrong...well not so awesome but so much as completely wrong.

last eye exam in 2010 I still had good ole 20/20 and pseudo 3d *the fact ""doctors"" actually called it 3d is laughable* and not only does Pseudo 3d not work for me when it should more then 15 minutes of it gives me headaches and eye strain.
Many other people report problems with Psuedo 3d people that it actually works for headaches, eye strain and the like.

#27 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (28506 posts) -

Clearly they must be lying :P Inb4 WilliamRLBaker 20/20 vision can't see 3D.SaltyMeatballs

1.its pseudo 3d don't make out its any thing but its an image trick to make one image seem foreground and the other background its not actual 3d image in a 3d space.

2.why do you have a problem with the fact I cannot actually see the Pseudo 3d affect? as well why a problem not only with me having problems for trying to view it causing me headaches and eye strain when people whom can actually discern the affect have the problems as well...

15 minutes and its eye strain with headaches longer and the affects get worse I'm sure my short time for affect has to do with the fact it just doesn't work for me but other people whom it does work for get the same affects after 2 hour movies...

#28 Posted by sandbox3d (5139 posts) -

wow thats really awesome...completely wrong...well not so awesome but so much as completely wrong.

last eye exam in 2010 I still had good ole 20/20 and pseudo 3d *the fact ""doctors"" actually called it 3d is laughable* and not only does Pseudo 3d not work for me when it should more then 15 minutes of it gives me headaches and eye strain.
Many other people report problems with Psuedo 3d people that it actually works for headaches, eye strain and the like.

WilliamRLBaker

After Meatballs called it in the 7th post I didnt think you would actually repeat it. :P

#29 Posted by sandbox3d (5139 posts) -

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Clearly they must be lying :P Inb4 WilliamRLBaker 20/20 vision can't see 3D.WilliamRLBaker
1.its pseudo 3d don't make out its any thing but its an image trick to make one image seem foreground and the other background its not actual 3d image in a 3d space.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows its nothing but z-depth (sometimes referred to in graphic arts as 2.5d). Of course its a pseudo 3d effect, but that doesnt mean people are going to say pseudo 3d every time when its just easier to say 3d and everyone knows what you mean.

#30 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (28506 posts) -

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

wow thats really awesome...completely wrong...well not so awesome but so much as completely wrong.

last eye exam in 2010 I still had good ole 20/20 and pseudo 3d *the fact ""doctors"" actually called it 3d is laughable* and not only does Pseudo 3d not work for me when it should more then 15 minutes of it gives me headaches and eye strain.
Many other people report problems with Psuedo 3d people that it actually works for headaches, eye strain and the like.

sandbox3d

After Meatballs called it in the 7th post I didnt think you would actually repeat it. :P

any time the Subject of Psuedo 3d comes up I post much of the same thing I lay down the fact I have 20/20 and that not only does it not work for me it affects me phsyically which is backed up by the fact others whom can discern the 3d affect get much of the same problems.

#31 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (28506 posts) -

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Clearly they must be lying :P Inb4 WilliamRLBaker 20/20 vision can't see 3D.sandbox3d

1.its pseudo 3d don't make out its any thing but its an image trick to make one image seem foreground and the other background its not actual 3d image in a 3d space.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows its nothing but z-depth (sometimes referred to in graphic arts as 2.5d). Of course its a pseudo 3d effect, but that doesnt mean people are going to say pseudo 3d every time when its just easier to say 3d and everyone knows what you mean.

I'm pretty sure every one doesn't know that, many people try to claim its 3d hell the media advertises it as such.
#32 Posted by Lonelynight (30041 posts) -
Thank goodness for that.
#33 Posted by sandbox3d (5139 posts) -

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] 1.its pseudo 3d don't make out its any thing but its an image trick to make one image seem foreground and the other background its not actual 3d image in a 3d space.WilliamRLBaker

I'm pretty sure everyone knows its nothing but z-depth (sometimes referred to in graphic arts as 2.5d). Of course its a pseudo 3d effect, but that doesnt mean people are going to say pseudo 3d every time when its just easier to say 3d and everyone knows what you mean.

I'm pretty sure every one doesn't know that, many people try to claim its 3d hell the media advertises it as such.

Eh.. maybe so. I work in both 2.5d and 3d programs daily so I just view it as common knowledge. I figured average Joe gamer would realize that if they cant view it from all angles then it is not 3d. Maybe I give em too much credit? And of course the media advertises it like that. Its quick, catchy and people dont have to think. If they said "come see Avatar in pseudo 3d!" it would be kind of funny.

As for your other post, I understand. I have friends who cant see (pseudo) 3d at all and others that can, but at the expense of headaches from hell.

#34 Posted by ZIVX (2981 posts) -

See, I knew it

#35 Posted by ronvalencia (15579 posts) -

Unlike these Doctors, Nintendo is covering thier legal backsides. Toshiba has a similar disclaimers for their new glass-free 3D HDTV.

#36 Posted by 789shadow (20195 posts) -

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

But let's see the PSP2 do that.

Loco_Live

▲ Lets see if the 3DS can have a decent list of games for launch. ▲

Let's see Loco_Live actually look up the launch games. Alternatively, I don't even know if the launch lineup has been announced.

#37 Posted by campzor (34932 posts) -
well doctors never know wtf they are talking about so ill go with nintendo on this one.
#38 Posted by Loco_Live (3147 posts) -

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

But let's see the PSP2 do that.

789shadow

▲ Lets see if the 3DS can have a decent list of games for launch. ▲

Let's see Loco_Live actually look up the launch games. Alternatively, I don't even know if the launch lineup has been announced.

▲ I looked them up. 3DS has no gaems. And, sorry for turning this into a trashing the lineup thread, but Willy left out that bait...and I couldn't resist. ▲

#39 Posted by ThePlothole (11515 posts) -
1.its pseudo 3d don't make out its any thing but its an image trick to make one image seem foreground and the other background its not actual 3d image in a 3d space. WilliamRLBaker
Again this is false. Stereoscopic 3d works by projecting a different image into each eye. Sure the effect in most 3d live action movies may to be limited to making some things appear closer, but that's because most of these were actually shot in 2d and then 3d effects were slapped on in post process. 3D can and does produce a far more dramatic effect in games.
#40 Posted by sandbox3d (5139 posts) -

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]1.its pseudo 3d don't make out its any thing but its an image trick to make one image seem foreground and the other background its not actual 3d image in a 3d space. ThePlothole
Again this is false. Stereoscopic 3d works by projecting a different image into each eye. Sure the effect in most 3d live action movies may to be limited to making some things appear closer, but that's because most of these were actually shot in 2d and then 3d effects were added in post process. 3D can and does produce a far more dramatic effect in games.

It is only applied to the Z axis, thus making it 2.5D. True 3d can be viewed from multiple angles. We dont have movies or games that project true 3d images. True 3d would be when you can walk around in front of your set and see your games and movies from different perspectives.

#41 Posted by ThePlothole (11515 posts) -

It is only applied to the Z axis, thus making it 2.5D. True 3d can be viewed from multiple angles. We dont have movies or games that project true 3d images. True 3d would be when you can walk around in front of your set and see your games and movies from different perspectives.

sandbox3d
X+Y+Z=3D.

What you're talking about is holography. Such displays exists, though currently cannot be mass produced.
#42 Posted by spookykid143 (10393 posts) -

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

▲ Lets see if the 3DS can have a decent list of games for launch. ▲

Loco_Live

Let's see Loco_Live actually look up the launch games. Alternatively, I don't even know if the launch lineup has been announced.

▲ I looked them up. 3DS has no gaems. And, sorry for turning this into a trashing the lineup thread, but Willy left out that bait...and I couldn't resist. ▲

It has a great line up better than the 360's

#43 Posted by mrmusicman247 (17577 posts) -
Better to be safe than sorry.
#44 Posted by The_RedLion (1942 posts) -
Nintendo doesn't care abut health. Those warning are to ovoid any lawsuits.
#45 Posted by Loco_Live (3147 posts) -

[QUOTE="Loco_Live"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Let's see Loco_Live actually look up the launch games. Alternatively, I don't even know if the launch lineup has been announced.

spookykid143

▲ I looked them up. 3DS has no gaems. And, sorry for turning this into a trashing the lineup thread, but Willy left out that bait...and I couldn't resist. ▲

better than the 360's

▲ I guess, I didin't get a 360 at launch. ▲

#46 Posted by sandbox3d (5139 posts) -

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

It is only applied to the Z axis, thus making it 2.5D. True 3d can be viewed from multiple angles. We dont have movies or games that project true 3d images. True 3d would be when you can walk around in front of your set and see your games and movies from different perspectives.

ThePlothole

X+Y+Z=3D.

What you're talking about is holography. Such displays exists, though currently cannot be mass produced.

Trust me man, I'm not trying to be difficult here, but it is not 3d. You are viewing a 2d output, but with depth on the Z, thus 2.5D. This is what I do for a living lol. Zbrush (the logo in my avi) is primarily a 2.5D paint program (well NOW it has 3d functionality) and it works the same way as the pseudo 3d we have today. Its a pseudo 3d effect that is only viewable from one direction, thus not truly 3d. Programs like 3ds max, Maya, Modo, Blender, Softimage, C4D, Lightwave, etc... are true 3d programs in which objects are viewable from all possible angles, thus true 3d.

If you dont want to take my word for it, then you can read up on it here.

And if that is still not good enough for you, then Google is your friend. Research away and you find that what I'm saying is true.

#47 Posted by ThePlothole (11515 posts) -

Trust me man, I'm not trying to be difficult here, but it is not 3d. You are viewing a 2d output, but with depth on the Z, thus 2.5D. This is what I do for a living lol. Zbrush (the logo in my avi) is primarily a 2.5D paint program (well NOW it has 3d functionality) and it works the same way as the pseudo 3d we have today. Its a pseudo 3d effect that is only viewable from one direction, thus not truly 3d. Programs like 3ds max, Maya, Modo, Blender, Softimage, C4D, Lightwave, etc... are true 3d programs in which objects are viewable from all possible angles, thus true 3d.

If you dont want to take my word for it, then you can read up on it here.

And if that is still not good enough for you, then Google is your friend. Research away and you find that what I'm saying is true.

sandbox3d
I'm not disagreeing with the terminology as it pertains to rendering. But when it comes to display technology this is considered 3D, as it conveys three dimensions of visual information to the viewer. Three dimensions that change with the point of view is holography.
#48 Posted by foxhound_fox (90820 posts) -

Its odd considering people have constantly complained about motion sickness in all types of modern 3D displays.

#49 Posted by F1ame_Shie1d (1389 posts) -

Exactly what I said. That warning was flame shield from any potential lawsuit that might come from some kid who claims his eyes were poorly affected by this new tech. There's no reason it could hurt people's eyes unless the screen was made with nuclear waste or something, and then it would do a lot worse than **** up eyes.enterawesome
You called?

For a moment I was think you were referencing a post I made about a week ago in a very similar topic.

#50 Posted by sandbox3d (5139 posts) -

[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

Trust me man, I'm not trying to be difficult here, but it is not 3d. You are viewing a 2d output, but with depth on the Z, thus 2.5D. This is what I do for a living lol. Zbrush (the logo in my avi) is primarily a 2.5D paint program (well NOW it has 3d functionality) and it works the same way as the pseudo 3d we have today. Its a pseudo 3d effect that is only viewable from one direction, thus not truly 3d. Programs like 3ds max, Maya, Modo, Blender, Softimage, C4D, Lightwave, etc... are true 3d programs in which objects are viewable from all possible angles, thus true 3d.

If you dont want to take my word for it, then you can read up on it here.

And if that is still not good enough for you, then Google is your friend. Research away and you find that what I'm saying is true.

ThePlothole

I'm not disagreeing with the terminology as it pertains to rendering. But when it comes to display technology this is considered 3D, as it conveys three dimensions of visual information to the viewer. Three dimensions that change with the point of view is holography.

Not worth arguing any further I guess. I'll agree to disagree. :)