Nintendo's E3 kinda sucked...But don't hate them for it.

What Nintendo needs to do with the NX is, first of all, make the damn thing much more powerful. That way, if Western devs still are stubborn enough to avoid the platform, we'll all know for sure it's absolute and blatant xenophobia. As is I believe most avoided Wii U because of power limitations and nothing more.

As far as software goes, they need to continue giving loyal fans the games they want, while also considering casuals and dude bro gamers since they make up a large portion of consumers.

@super600: I agree some, with Nintendo going mobile it will give them a chance to cater to casual audiences. But this will be for certain studios to achieve. I dont think we will see AAA Nintendo studios producing the mobile games. I think they will just do like they always do. I think they will focus on competing with Steam kinda. I think Nintendo is trying to build a service like Steam. Would be epic to be able to play a Nintendo game on PC using a Nintendo app. Anything is possible and Nintendo is good at implementing tech. I think this console is way more epic then people make it out to be. The free online, the miiverse, the gyro controls, the remote play with the gamepad. This console is sweet and i cant wait to buy their next home console.

Pretty much my reaction to the Metroid as well. It looked utterly pedestrian, borderline insulting. I know Miyamoto said a while back they were going to focus on smaller projects, but if this is what he meant, holy Christ.

Metroid......Metroid!?

So people have to be content in complicity with supporting mediocrity in order to gain the right to complain about it? That makes no sense.

I actually agree with that. I also would like them to keep it in their budget so they can afford to give us a bunch of games. But i would love to have the console powerful that way when Third Party says no, then just as you say, we would know for sure. I honestly think that even if Nintendo did make a powerful system Third Party would still be too scared to compete with Nintendo games.

There was some good games there but most of them have been revealed already and some were shown several times already. The new stuff they shown didn't look that great in terms of Nintendo standards imo. Overall these games seem like quick fillers until the NX is talked about next year.

3ds was really sloppy from a first party front. The Zelda game is pretty much a spin off, and the good stuff like FE and Mario/Luigi are 2016. Don't get me started on that poor excuse for a Metriod game. I will pretend that it doesn't exist.

@Ghost120x: To be fair, even Microsoft revealed bout all there stuff before E3. Bout everything at E3 was already revealed. The only stuff that was surprising was the promises Sony made for games that are a few years off from being finished. A couple other things, but Nintendo revealed just as much new content as others, probably even more then all others.

I thought Sony had the worst with their promises for 2016 and giving fans barely anything for 2015. Only the CoD fans got something for Holidays and Sony spent big money getting that. Which is understandable considering its their system seller. But seems majority of gamers loved Sony's, so its fitting for them. They like promises.

I think next Zelda will find its way to both consoles

@AzatiS: I can do you one better, all Wii U games will find a way to Nintendos next console.

In the end NX fixes all the issues we had with Wii U's E3. I was mad that 3DS got all the good stuff and Wii U got scraps. NX being able to scale the game to both systems means that both systems get the same games. I won't be mad that the next FE game is on their handheld. Because I'll see it on the console too. Same with ALBW, LttP, MM, etc. etc. All the games that the 3DS gets that never ends up on the console won't happen again thanks to NX. When I think about that I want NX to come even sooner. Both systems end up with the full support of Nintendo, and in the end that's all that matters.

Yeah, that'd be great. Just as long as we saw console exclusives as well and the console graphics are like 2 gens ahead of the handheld. :P

No nintendo game will be ever release on PC.They are definitely going to use mobile platforms to get more people to buy their consoles including casuals.

@bunchanumbers: See no one has ever described Xbox 360 and PS3 as testing grounds, because they got HD right from the start. They didn't need a full gen to get it right. It was a case of "these machines are in HD, and here are loads of HD games". Only Nintendo needs these excuses.

This is ridiculous. You are implying there is a design to this utter calamity. I tell you what your argument boils down to. We're not going to support the current customers because there wasn't enough of them, so we will abandon our console mid way through. That's okay is it? Why do you think no one is going to buy the next one? Because Nintendo does shit like this.

Nintendo fans buy the consoles at this stage for a few big franchises. Anything else you get is a bonus, but there are a few you can bank on. Kart, Mario3D, Smash Metroid. It shouldn't be this way, but it is.

Zelda is one of them. You have waited so long for it at this point it's doubted it will show, and will probably end up out after the console has been abandoned as nothing more than a show of good faith. It will be an afterthought like Twilight Princess was on GC. But GC got it's own Zelda. Metroid, you're not even getting.

Think about this for a second. One of the games people are suggesting would save the show is Fatal Frame. Fatal Frame!

Fatal Frame is a niche game. It's tiny. It doesn't appeal to that many, and whilst well made (I played the one on ps2) Fatal Frame is not a game you list to save a console. It's not a megaton. It's not a cherry bomb. If it's on a well supported console, it's released mid week with no fanfare and goes about it's business quietly. It's only getting hype now because there is literally nothing else. It's like "yeah there are games coming out. Fatal Frame is coming out! The one with the camera ghosts! And we're getting that crap Megaman remake!"

Your list is tiny and essentially covers the system from now until it's death. A list that size is one average month on a console doing well. There is only zelda that is a heavy hitter with mass appeal, and like I've said, it's an afterthought at this point. Not showing it at E3 means, they have a long way to go. What do you have until then?

Essentially you are blinkered, and making excuses for Nintendo instead of actually seeing the big picture. Why should Nintendo support the wii u when the NX is coming out? Really? Because they aren't even ready to show anything about the NX until next year, which means it will be at least a few years before it comes out. They have customers they owe. They have a profile to maintain.

@ultimateimp: but hey, apparently Nintendo doesn't owe you any games because the NX is on the way out in two or three years.

I know. You will be just rushing to buy that day one knowing how the wii u was treated by all.

Why not , most likely they will but Zelda is 100%. Assuming the low sales of Wii U , but still its a base craving for Zelda , and the timing of this release , it does make sense to get an NX release more than any other Wii U title because lets be honest ... It can be a system seller. Specially for the guys that dislike Wii U or dont even bother but they wouldnt mind to give NX a go. Zelda its an awesome start point similar to what is The last of US and Uncharted Collection fpr PS4 to the people that didnt own a PS3 last gen

You can't compare first wave stuff to what they do now. They're like night and day.

This is Nintendo's first wave. More excuses.

*Deleted* just repeated myself.. :P

I was hoping for at least one new, big announcement. But nada. Even Starfox looked a bit underwhelming.

I thought it's terrible, and it's pretty obvious the hype behind is only because the horrible drought the Wii U has. We've never had an AAAE Star Fox since the N64 one. I don't see this breaking the mold of mediocrity that is Star Fox.

That's what it's looking like and it sucks for consumers who were looking for more out of the system. At this point, though, I think people have a good understanding of what they're getting with the Wii U. Which isn't a lot. It makes perfect sense from a business perspective. That is, if the NX turns out to be a home console.

The Wii U showed up without gas in the tank. It went, and continues to go nowhere. The system has been a complete and utter disaster that makes the Gamecube look like a phenomenal success by comparison.

IF the NX is a home console, I wonder if it will be backwards compatible with Wii/U peripherals? There is still a lot of potential with the Gamepad that has gone untapped.

Nah. I hope the gamepad never happens again. But the new controller needs gyro controls. That shit is awesome with Splatoon.

no metroid...they can burn

The is every reason not a hint of Zelda no proper 3D Mario game instead a tennis game no one asked. It's like they thought let's just lay the Wii U to rest and give them neither of those supposed titles and make fans waste another 300 bucks after seeing this one get trashed by the PS4.

Isn't there some rumor NX is for tablets/smart phones?

If Bernie Stolar was the head of Nintendo.

"The Wii U is no longer Nintendo's future."

Exactly. This just shows that they will only get better. And they had to get better faster. What they have done with Wii U is incredible compared to what Xbox 360 and PS3 developers went through at this point in their life cycles.

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. Who's to say NX won't just be a fucking reskinneed ouya? No one knows. What we know, right now, is that the conference sucked and the Wii U has lost it's appeal.

And Bernie Stolar was disliked by SEGA fans last I checked.

The E3 was crap but the list of games I want for my Wii U before the year is over is a long one. And they are all exclusives which is pretty awesome.

@bunchanumbers: No, not exactly. PS3 and xbox360 got it right the first time. They didn't stall because of HD, why do Nintendo? Why give Nintendo excuses the others didn't need?

All Nintendo has to do is call the NX a third pillar just like the DS was to the Gameboy Advance.

But can you really say they got it right? Look at their first games. Look at how they can barely touch 60 fps. Gameplay during the first games on the 360 and ps3 were not great. It took years before they got the knack for HD development down.

I've been thinking on what is so irksome about this Metroid Prime: Federation Force. It's not that it's a spin off or doesn't align with many peoples' wishes for another mainline entry, or the length it's been since the last one. It's the treatment of the IP. The problem is this feels extraordinarily exploitative and dismissive. I don't buy for a second this was ever conceived to be a Metroid, but was instead a hastily brainstormed, junior development project thrown together in a few months and then green lit with the appropriate last minute changes with the namesake stamped on to give a bit of recognition. Miyamoto even admitted similar sentiment in his approach to design philosophy:

"Whenever I start working on something I always start with creating new gameplay. After that gameplay becomes more concrete, we look at which character is best suited to the gameplay".

This is precisely how this feels, and is why I heavily oppose his "gameplay is all that matters" attitude. Not that I disagree in principle, but that it can get to such a point as to be detrimental to other aspects that make a game great when they're gutted in sacrifice. I would sincerely hope Nintendo holds more respect for their IPs than to resort to whoring them out to merely become exploitative shells in the service of the most superficial of gameplay concepts to cash-in on impulse in dire times. These IPs deserve respect. It wouldn't be so bad if this looked like it were Prime Pinball or something halfway decent that retained themes and the spirit from the series, but it doesn't. This comes off as demeaning, damaging and completely removed to the IP in tone, and I fear that because Nintendo's not performing so hot presently they'll begin resorting more and more to this tactic in other franchises and it'll just become more harmful and in-turn soon become an Ouroboros.

Nintendo needs to blame something for its very long list of failures. Sadly, the HD isn't the cause. As their failure is lack of Third Party support as a result of weak console power, third party games are sentenced to die on a Nintendo console, casuals who carried the Wii during the seventh generation left Nintendo for a cheaper means of gaming, that is Mobile Gaming, and executives within Nintendo with good ideas are as rare as flying wings.

Troll attacking ?

It was sheep attacking the other platforms , laughing on them and calling them names ... Do you forget the last years " PS4 is a joke has no games " sheep moto all over System wars ?

I was telling you back then ... Wii U is in a nasty position and after 2014 , we have 2015-2016-2017 and so on ... Dont get too cocky , what you saying now it will backfire later.

Here we are , a year later , my crystal ball was right. So now anyone that might attack Nintendo fans for all the craps they said in 2014 ...is considered trolling right ? Ah , sheep .... you never learn. Im having DE JAVU of what is happening every single generation since GC.

Now , while you waiting for NX or Zelda/Xeno , buy the platforms supposed to be bad and have no games and have fun. And if someone attacks you ... say sorry i didnt know what beyond 2014 might be rather than debate. It will sound more manly

@AzatiS: Mate you ramble on about some nonsense, im talking about TroIIs on a video, and your rambling about some TroII prophecies? What?

Releasing a new console prematurely because the previous one failed isn't going to work. It didn't work for Atari, it didn't work for Sega and it's not going to work for Nintendo.

I agree. I think we would see 4rd party with the power OR sales of the console.

Devs didnt ignore the Wii last gen or at the very least more new games tried to come to the platform.

4 games TOTAL in 4 months is not good and thats where the Wiiu is at.

@SpinoRaptor24: True, the best thing for Nintendo to do is ride the Wii U wave until its time for the next console. Nintendo releases consoles bout every 5 years, so new console will be very soon. Will be great to see the next innovation in gaming, especially since other big companies will be failing with VR and AR, Nintendo has a chance to once again steal the industry.

''kinda'' lol

yeah yeah , now its nonsense and troll prophecies. Did you like E3 2015 Nintendos press conference or not ?

@AzatiS: I enjoyed it, i thought they were the only company who were true to gaming and exposed hours and hours of gameplay for its games. They also didnt try and give us broken promises about games that might come out in 2017. I didnt like the muppets though, i wanted them to be live and direct for the pre recorded digital event. Was wanting a new Kirby Dreamland game, but didnt get, hopefully we get one next year.

I would rate it 7/10. Was a very good show.

They should forget about BC, - they desperately need a new CPU - and throw the gamepad under the rug like it never happened. It's trying to emulate the dual screens on the DS but it sucks and it eats into money that could've made the hardware better.

Now the Wii mote, that's something that has untapped potential. Bring it back and update it, as an optional controller similar to how the Wii U pro is optional for Wii U, but have a standard controller with every console.

@Chozofication: I dont think they should drop the dual screen, i think they should make it better. I want to travel futher with it. I love playing video games in my bed with it. The Gamepad is my favorite thing about the whole console. I also love using gamepad to draw in Miiverse and to navigate on the internet, so much faster to type for videos. I use to hate using analog stick to type messages, so backwards. I would love for the Gamepad to also work with the new system.

Well , if you call that boredom a very good show with some of the games looked like what Gamecube could achieve , so be it.

I would rate last years press conference 9/10 and this one 4/10 or lower. It was upsetting to say the least

@AzatiS: What didnt you like about it? It had some awesome games.

Si ple answer : Nintendo lost my confidence

It would be too much of a drag to force the ability to stream to this device. Then they would need to do more to add to the dual screen experience which could be a drain on console power. Instead they could just as easily make a app that lets you use your cell phone for miiverse posts. Or get rid of miiverse altogether. After All Miis are a product of the Wii era and Nintendo needs to kick that era to the curb.

The games themselfs ... i was waiting to see something better , like Zelda for example ... Awesome games ? Maybe you watched last years E3 or what ?