Nintendo or SONY : Which one is the better 1st party developer?

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#201 Posted by nintendoboy16 (25848 posts) -

[QUOTE="DISSESHOWEDO"]

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

How many more ignorant people are going to reply to this thread I wonder? LOL

Nintendo tends to be more fresh and creative with old IPs than Sony is with new IPs. Sony has a tendancy to make games that are much like already existing franchises only not quite as good then produce a bunch of rehashes of that game within a generation. Nintendo has a tendancy to reinvent their long-running series with each entry.

Maroxad

That is a ton of crap !!! Sony does new IPs in different genres, Nintendo does rehash of the same games and characters with little change to the core mechanic of the previous game ! Only blind Ninty fanboys like yourself don't see it ! It's simple as that !!!

Wow, just wow...

Super Mario Galaxy is NOTHING like Super Mario 64, which is NOTHING like Super Mario World. Same goes for Zelda, and Metroid, and heck a lot of Nintendo franchises out there that arent pokemon and even Pokemon changes more with each new generation than Uncharted :lol: That said, whether the changes are good or not dephends heavily on the person. I personally think that the 3D Marios peaked with Super Mario 64.

In fact, there is a reason many Nintendo IPs tend to have such divided fanbases.

Yep... all too true.

#202 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -

[QUOTE="Maroxad"]

[QUOTE="DISSESHOWEDO"]

That is a ton of crap !!! Sony does new IPs in different genres, Nintendo does rehash of the same games and characters with little change to the core mechanic of the previous game ! Only blind Ninty fanboys like yourself don't see it ! It's simple as that !!!

nintendoboy16

Wow, just wow...

Super Mario Galaxy is NOTHING like Super Mario 64, which is NOTHING like Super Mario World. Same goes for Zelda, and Metroid, and heck a lot of Nintendo franchises out there that arent pokemon and even Pokemon changes more with each new generation than Uncharted :lol: That said, whether the changes are good or not dephends heavily on the person. I personally think that the 3D Marios peaked with Super Mario 64.

In fact, there is a reason many Nintendo IPs tend to have such divided fanbases.

Yep... all too true.

Lol I'm an odd bird because I love all three Fable's.
#203 Posted by themajormayor (25649 posts) -

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="zenszulu"]

No you never.... you kind of just said that the theme of the game means they are just for kids but I much like many people don'y play games just based on their theme I like games with violence and action as much as I like a good platform game or anything that you would claim is just for kids because it has bright colours, you must hate Sony for making games like Rachet and Clank, Little Big Planet and Mod Nation Racers because of their themes.

zenszulu

No I said hoq they strictly avoid certain themes or elements to be kid friendly. It doesn't have to be violence neccesarily. And I don't like those games no. Definitely not.

Kid freindly and just for kids are two different things just because it has brighter colours and an age rating that is lower than 18 doesnt mean it lacks depth or challenge.

Yes but both are bad things. But they do lack depth or challenge. Are the colors brighter to attract children or because they actually make the experience better? Just listen to the music in most of their games, it's so "happy" it's depressing (and bad), if they had real quality music it would improve the quality of the game. But instead they make it silly and kid friendly
#204 Posted by RogueStatus28 (501 posts) -
Naughty Dog releases a new game every year to two. Crash and Jak (excluding kart games) were released every year. God of War is released every year to two. Exactly how many collections are available? There's even a collection of two collections that were both sold separately. All of the games in both collections (5 games) were each released within 5 years...
#205 Posted by RogueStatus28 (501 posts) -


Sony has to rely on making new Ip's because they destroyed their old ones with sequels. Crash, Jak, and Uncharted were released so close between each other. I believe Crash came out every year under Naughty Dog's name and Jak 3 came out the year after 2... Uncharted leading up to LoU came out every 2 years.
However a new 3D Mario game comes out every 3 to 5 years.
The Spyro games were released every year under Insomniac's name as well. Ratchet and Clank comes out every year with the exception of 2006 and 2010.

#206 Posted by Pikminmaniac (8610 posts) -

[QUOTE="zenszulu"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] No I said hoq they strictly avoid certain themes or elements to be kid friendly. It doesn't have to be violence neccesarily. And I don't like those games no. Definitely not.themajormayor

Kid freindly and just for kids are two different things just because it has brighter colours and an age rating that is lower than 18 doesnt mean it lacks depth or challenge.

Yes but both are bad things. But they do lack depth or challenge. Are the colors brighter to attract children or because they actually make the experience better? Just listen to the music in most of their games, it's so "happy" it's depressing (and bad), if they had real quality music it would improve the quality of the game. But instead they make it silly and kid friendly

You haven't been keeping up with Nintendo's offerings have you? Many of Nintendo's games aree kid friendly, yes, but hardcore approved.

There are no Sony games that match the level of difficulty that New Super Mario Bros. U, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Punch-Out!!, Sin and Punishment Star Successor or even Nintendo Land reach.

#207 Posted by RogueStatus28 (501 posts) -

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="zenszulu"]

Kid freindly and just for kids are two different things just because it has brighter colours and an age rating that is lower than 18 doesnt mean it lacks depth or challenge.

Pikminmaniac

Yes but both are bad things. But they do lack depth or challenge. Are the colors brighter to attract children or because they actually make the experience better? Just listen to the music in most of their games, it's so "happy" it's depressing (and bad), if they had real quality music it would improve the quality of the game. But instead they make it silly and kid friendly

You haven't been keeping up with Nintendo's offerings have you? Many of Nintendo's games aree kid friendly, yes, but hardcore approved.

There are no Sony games that match the level of difficulty that New Super Mario Bros. U, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Punch-Out!!, Sin and Punishment Star Successor or even Nintendo Land reach.

Fire Emblem is another example, such a complex RPG. Xenoblade isn't really geared towards children, it has those elements. Same with Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess.
#208 Posted by RogueStatus28 (501 posts) -

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="zenszulu"]

Kid freindly and just for kids are two different things just because it has brighter colours and an age rating that is lower than 18 doesnt mean it lacks depth or challenge.

Pikminmaniac

Yes but both are bad things. But they do lack depth or challenge. Are the colors brighter to attract children or because they actually make the experience better? Just listen to the music in most of their games, it's so "happy" it's depressing (and bad), if they had real quality music it would improve the quality of the game. But instead they make it silly and kid friendly

You haven't been keeping up with Nintendo's offerings have you? Many of Nintendo's games aree kid friendly, yes, but hardcore approved.

There are no Sony games that match the level of difficulty that New Super Mario Bros. U, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Punch-Out!!, Sin and Punishment Star Successor or even Nintendo Land reach.

He needs to play New Super Mario Bros U. I'd like to see him breeze through Morton's Compactor, not challenging at all.
#209 Posted by themajormayor (25649 posts) -

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="zenszulu"]

Kid freindly and just for kids are two different things just because it has brighter colours and an age rating that is lower than 18 doesnt mean it lacks depth or challenge.

Pikminmaniac

Yes but both are bad things. But they do lack depth or challenge. Are the colors brighter to attract children or because they actually make the experience better? Just listen to the music in most of their games, it's so "happy" it's depressing (and bad), if they had real quality music it would improve the quality of the game. But instead they make it silly and kid friendly

You haven't been keeping up with Nintendo's offerings have you? Many of Nintendo's games aree kid friendly, yes, but hardcore approved.

There are no Sony games that match the level of difficulty that New Super Mario Bros. U, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Punch-Out!!, Sin and Punishment Star Successor or even Nintendo Land reach.

Of course I haven't. But I doubt they are more difficult than Demon's Souls (easiest Sony game)
#210 Posted by themajormayor (25649 posts) -
[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Yes but both are bad things. But they do lack depth or challenge. Are the colors brighter to attract children or because they actually make the experience better? Just listen to the music in most of their games, it's so "happy" it's depressing (and bad), if they had real quality music it would improve the quality of the game. But instead they make it silly and kid friendlyRogueStatus28

You haven't been keeping up with Nintendo's offerings have you? Many of Nintendo's games aree kid friendly, yes, but hardcore approved.

There are no Sony games that match the level of difficulty that New Super Mario Bros. U, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Punch-Out!!, Sin and Punishment Star Successor or even Nintendo Land reach.

He needs to play New Super Mario Bros U. I'd like to see him breeze through Morton's Compactor, not challenging at all.

Doesn't look harder than the older marios
#211 Posted by RogueStatus28 (501 posts) -
[QUOTE="RogueStatus28"][QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

You haven't been keeping up with Nintendo's offerings have you? Many of Nintendo's games aree kid friendly, yes, but hardcore approved.

There are no Sony games that match the level of difficulty that New Super Mario Bros. U, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Punch-Out!!, Sin and Punishment Star Successor or even Nintendo Land reach.

themajormayor
He needs to play New Super Mario Bros U. I'd like to see him breeze through Morton's Compactor, not challenging at all.

Doesn't look harder than the older marios

Uncharted, Little Big Planet, God of War, Killzone, Ratchet and Clank, Infamous, and Resistance are now considered hard? If it's on normal difficulty and it's not hard then it's not hard...
#212 Posted by Pikminmaniac (8610 posts) -

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Yes but both are bad things. But they do lack depth or challenge. Are the colors brighter to attract children or because they actually make the experience better? Just listen to the music in most of their games, it's so "happy" it's depressing (and bad), if they had real quality music it would improve the quality of the game. But instead they make it silly and kid friendlythemajormayor

You haven't been keeping up with Nintendo's offerings have you? Many of Nintendo's games aree kid friendly, yes, but hardcore approved.

There are no Sony games that match the level of difficulty that New Super Mario Bros. U, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Punch-Out!!, Sin and Punishment Star Successor or even Nintendo Land reach.

Of course I haven't. But I doubt they are more difficult than Demon's Souls (easiest Sony game)

Nice try, Demon's Souls is not Sony's. Stop trying to say it is. What's the hardest sony game out there? They're fun, but I can't think of any thatwould give you a real run for your money.

#213 Posted by Wiiyou (677 posts) -

Windwaker, the best game of all time, Nintendo is god, sorry Sony better luck 2nd place ;)

#214 Posted by jer_1 (7424 posts) -

I do like a couple sony franchises but being that Metroid is on nintendo then...nintendo would be my choice

#215 Posted by themajormayor (25649 posts) -

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

You haven't been keeping up with Nintendo's offerings have you? Many of Nintendo's games aree kid friendly, yes, but hardcore approved.

There are no Sony games that match the level of difficulty that New Super Mario Bros. U, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Punch-Out!!, Sin and Punishment Star Successor or even Nintendo Land reach.

Pikminmaniac

Of course I haven't. But I doubt they are more difficult than Demon's Souls (easiest Sony game)

Nice try, Demon's Souls is not Sony's. Stop trying to say it is. What's the hardest sony game out there? They're fun, but I can't think of any thatwould give you a real run for your money.

Yes it is. Owned, developed and published by Sony. It depends on the difficulty. At higher difficulty they are all very hard
#216 Posted by conkertheking1 (833 posts) -

WoW, that's a lot of games that i'm not interested in ! So, I say Sony ! Their games just appeal more to me. And just because you said in another post that who ever chooses Sony is a retard i would add who ever picks Nintendo is a 12 year old imbecel !

DISSESHOWEDO

...a twelve year old that plays super mario 64 over COD? Is there something missing here?

#217 Posted by hanman9 (364 posts) -

[QUOTE="Samus3D"]

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time ImageThe Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask ImageSuper Mario 64 ImagePaper Mario ImageDonkey Kong 64 ImageStar Fox 64 ImageF-Zero X ImageMario Kart 64 ImageSuper Smash Bros. Image

Metroid Prime ImageThe Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker ImageSuper Smash Bros. Melee ImageSuper Mario Sunshine ImageMetroid Prime 2: Echoes ImagePikmin 2 ImageF-Zero GX ImagePaper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door ImageMario Kart: Double Dash!! Image

Super Mario Galaxy ImageSuper Mario Galaxy 2 ImageThe Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess ImageSuper Smash Bros. Brawl ImageThe Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword ImageXenoblade Chronicles ImageMetroid Prime 3: Corruption ImageDonkey Kong Country Returns ImageSuper Paper Mario Image

Such a hard choice, LMAO

DISSESHOWEDO

WoW, that's a lot of games that i'm not interested in ! So, I say Sony ! Their games just appeal more to me. And just because you said in another post that who ever chooses Sony is a retard i would add who ever picks Nintendo is a 12 year old imbecel !

You're the one that looks like a 12 year old IMBECILE! If your gonna troll someone then at least learn some friggin' decent spelling and grammer skills, idiot. Pfft!

#218 Posted by no-scope-AK47 (2656 posts) -

Got to go with sony here as nintendo has a very limited selection of game styles and IP's.

#219 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

You haven't been keeping up with Nintendo's offerings have you? Many of Nintendo's games aree kid friendly, yes, but hardcore approved.

There are no Sony games that match the level of difficulty that New Super Mario Bros. U, Donkey Kong Country Returns, Punch-Out!!, Sin and Punishment Star Successor or even Nintendo Land reach.

Pikminmaniac

Of course I haven't. But I doubt they are more difficult than Demon's Souls (easiest Sony game)

Nice try, Demon's Souls is not Sony's. Stop trying to say it is. What's the hardest sony game out there? They're fun, but I can't think of any thatwould give you a real run for your money.

This is the same guy that was saying PS1 and PS2 games should be counted as PS3 games since they can be played on the PS3.
#220 Posted by RogueStatus28 (501 posts) -

"Sony because nintendo is kiddy and they rehash"... Compelling arguement idiot.

#221 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -

[QUOTE="DISSESHOWEDO"]

[QUOTE="Samus3D"]

Such a hard choice, LMAO

hanman9

WoW, that's a lot of games that i'm not interested in ! So, I say Sony ! Their games just appeal more to me. And just because you said in another post that who ever chooses Sony is a retard i would add who ever picks Nintendo is a 12 year old imbecel !

You're the one that looks like a 12 year old IMBECILE! If you're gonna troll someone, then at least learn some friggin' decent spelling and grammer skills, idiot. Pfft!

#222 Posted by jman1553 (1302 posts) -

inb4 Sony wins because of Cows and stupid reasons when Nintendo is blatantly better.

[QUOTE="MaskedPlayer"]

Nintendo are good but sony are better.

There are hardly any nintendo exclusives that appeal to people aged 18+

DarkLink77

Or not.

Nintendo is not "blatantly better." It's an opinionated based question. Get your head out of your ass.
#223 Posted by sandbox3d (5105 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

inb4 Sony wins because of Cows and stupid reasons when Nintendo is blatantly better.

[QUOTE="MaskedPlayer"]

Nintendo are good but sony are better.

There are hardly any nintendo exclusives that appeal to people aged 18+

jman1553

Or not.

Nintendo is not "blatantly better." It's an opinionated based question. Get your head out of your ass.

It certainly does come down to opinion. The thing is there is a such thing as having a sh*t opinion.

You're entitled to say a McDonalds cheeseburger combo is better than a New York Strip dinner. Just as I would be entitled to tell you your opinion sucks.

#224 Posted by trigger_cross93 (29 posts) -

Why don't we just look at who's sold the most in the past couple gens and who has the highest rated games? Wouldn't that actually answer the question objectively?

#225 Posted by caseypayne69 (5386 posts) -
Sony is better. Nintendo tells the same story over and over. They are in original. Sony has more games with more stories and more game generation types.
#226 Posted by wiifan001 (18319 posts) -

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time ImageThe Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask ImageSuper Mario 64 ImagePaper Mario ImageDonkey Kong 64 ImageStar Fox 64 ImageF-Zero X ImageMario Kart 64 ImageSuper Smash Bros. Image

Metroid Prime ImageThe Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker ImageSuper Smash Bros. Melee ImageSuper Mario Sunshine ImageMetroid Prime 2: Echoes ImagePikmin 2 ImageF-Zero GX ImagePaper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door ImageMario Kart: Double Dash!! Image

Super Mario Galaxy ImageSuper Mario Galaxy 2 ImageThe Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess ImageSuper Smash Bros. Brawl ImageThe Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword ImageXenoblade Chronicles ImageMetroid Prime 3: Corruption ImageDonkey Kong Country Returns ImageSuper Paper Mario Image

Such a hard choice, LMAO

Samus3D
My decade of gaming in a nutshell
#227 Posted by Nintendo_Ownes7 (30917 posts) -

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"] To my knowledge it's still contractual. These developers existed beforehand, and we're acquired by Sony. Example, Bungie. Ms fronted the money, Bungie developed the game. Heirren

Actually all but one existed before they were part of Sony. Polyphony Digital was part of Sony then the success of Gran Turismo Sony let them change their teams name to stand apart from the rest of Sony.

Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure Sony just buys out the up and coming studios, or the studios come with a game proposal for Sony, and then go from there.

Polyphony Digital was founded by people that were at Sony and they made 3 games with Sony before Sony let them have their own studio and call themselves whatever they wanted.

They made Motor Toon Grand Prix 1 and 2 then Gran Turismo and after Gran Turismo was a success they got to change their name.

#228 Posted by Maroxad (7852 posts) -

Just some facts (they are facts because I say so)

  • Both produce some challening and difficult games.
  • Both produce plenty for the core audience
  • Both of them innovate.
  • Both of them produce plenty of new IPs. While I don't know the exact details about Sony, I do know that Nintendo created over 60 IPs this gen.
  • Nintendo goes for a more arcadey appeal, Sony goes for a more cinematic blockbuster appeal.

#229 Posted by ziggyww (835 posts) -
I say Sony. They seem to push more in terms of Graphics and Gameplay and what can be done. Nintendo just remakes the same games over and over again. I honestly don't get this obsession with Nintendo
#230 Posted by ziggyww (835 posts) -
[QUOTE="Samus3D"]

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time ImageThe Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask ImageSuper Mario 64 ImagePaper Mario ImageDonkey Kong 64 ImageStar Fox 64 ImageF-Zero X ImageMario Kart 64 ImageSuper Smash Bros. Image

Metroid Prime ImageThe Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker ImageSuper Smash Bros. Melee ImageSuper Mario Sunshine ImageMetroid Prime 2: Echoes ImagePikmin 2 ImageF-Zero GX ImagePaper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door ImageMario Kart: Double Dash!! Image

Super Mario Galaxy ImageSuper Mario Galaxy 2 ImageThe Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess ImageSuper Smash Bros. Brawl ImageThe Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword ImageXenoblade Chronicles ImageMetroid Prime 3: Corruption ImageDonkey Kong Country Returns ImageSuper Paper Mario Image

Such a hard choice, LMAO

wiifan001
My decade of gaming in a nutshell

I'm Sensing fan boy
#231 Posted by NaveedLife (17172 posts) -

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Currently sony

Nintendo in the past

Hopefully that changes soon. To be fair, across handhelds and consoles they are not too far apart for me. MKDS, MK7, SMG, SMG2, Pushmo, and others are all fantastic games. I just wish they could get Zelda and Metroid back to glory.

Shinobishyguy

Don't forget 3d land and Kid Icarus.

Hell when you factor in handhelds it's no contest on who's first party is better really.

i wouldnt put 3D Land among the best of the best, but I have yet to play KIU. Might get it for Christmas :P

#232 Posted by Maroxad (7852 posts) -

And since I hear the same idiotic drivel being repeated over and over, I add 1 more fact.

Despite several of their franchises being old. Nintendo usually finds way to innovate within their old IPs and make them feel somewhat fresh again. Super Mario Galaxy is a very good example of this.

i wouldnt put 3D Land among the best of the best, but I have yet to play KIU. Might get it for Christmas :P

NaveedLife

Kid Icarus: Uprising is the best game on the 3DS, get it :D

#233 Posted by Pikminmaniac (8610 posts) -

I say Sony. They seem to push more in terms of Graphics and Gameplay and what can be done. Nintendo just remakes the same games over and over again. I honestly don't get this obsession with Nintendoziggyww

there's your problem right there. You have no idea what you're talking about. Also, Nintendo always makes their IPs fresh in each iteration and Sony, while they make great games, always follow in the footsteps of others who do what they do but better.

#234 Posted by jeffster85 (2286 posts) -
[QUOTE="wiifan001"][QUOTE="Samus3D"]Such a hard choice, LMAOziggyww
My decade of gaming in a nutshell

I'm Sensing fan boy

what tipped you off? lol
#235 Posted by AznbkdX (3117 posts) -

I say Sony. They seem to push more in terms of Graphics and Gameplay and what can be done. Nintendo just remakes the same games over and over again. I honestly don't get this obsession with Nintendoziggyww

Wondering if you played any of their newest games honestly. They are far from remakes. If anything Sony rehashes far more given how many first parties that have come out these past seven years from them.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that's said this.

On a more happier note, Ninty all the way! :D

#236 Posted by AznbkdX (3117 posts) -

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Currently sony

Nintendo in the past

Hopefully that changes soon. To be fair, across handhelds and consoles they are not too far apart for me. MKDS, MK7, SMG, SMG2, Pushmo, and others are all fantastic games. I just wish they could get Zelda and Metroid back to glory.

NaveedLife

Don't forget 3d land and Kid Icarus.

Hell when you factor in handhelds it's no contest on who's first party is better really.

i wouldnt put 3D Land among the best of the best, but I have yet to play KIU. Might get it for Christmas :P

Not to be a hater, but I wasn't very enthusiastic about KIU compared to most ppl. Something was off and it wasn't just the little control issues I had.

I'm left handed, so even the optimal option felt slightly funny to me, mind you I didnt have that pro pad thing.

That wasn't the most annoying thing though. They had a semblance of story but for the most part you are so thick in action that you rarely listen to it. THe ground battles gameplay kind of sucks alittle bit on the reaction side and the wrong movements. The air battles are tougher imo considering you have less freedom of movement, but is still overall better. The stages can be kind of tough on 8 and 9 difficulties, but couple this with my control shift and my reflexes tend to be slower than someone with a stylus making it harder. This is my own little gripe though and may change per user.

I think that will be all for my rant. I got more pros and cons but honestly why am I even typing this. :?

#237 Posted by Samus3D (1675 posts) -

Sony does not develop games... They hire their goons/ henchmen to do their dirty work. Nintendo is a game developer. Also Sony will never have their Miyamoto or legacy such as.

#238 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22319 posts) -

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

Currently sony

Nintendo in the past

Hopefully that changes soon. To be fair, across handhelds and consoles they are not too far apart for me. MKDS, MK7, SMG, SMG2, Pushmo, and others are all fantastic games. I just wish they could get Zelda and Metroid back to glory.

NaveedLife

Don't forget 3d land and Kid Icarus.

Hell when you factor in handhelds it's no contest on who's first party is better really.

i wouldnt put 3D Land among the best of the best, but I have yet to play KIU. Might get it for Christmas :P

3d land may not be as mind blowing as the galaxy games but it's still on of the best handheld platformers I've ever played.

That and it makes the best use of the 3d out of any 3ds game I've played

#239 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
Nintendo hands down
#240 Posted by jimmypsn (4425 posts) -

Nintendo. Mario is timeless. Ps3 exclusives will be forgotten.