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#1 Xplode_games
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Why do you people keep comparing current gen PCs to next gen consoles?

Two major points I want to make. First is all PC games today are built for the 360/PS3(tiny RAM) and then tuned up for the PC. They blow away the 360 and PS3 versions but next gen is another story. Next gen consoles have massive amounts of RAM to play with and of course updated hardware.

Second point I want to make is physics. Next gen will be about physics. PS4 has 4CUs dedicated to physics and it will be used to give next gen games a unique feel. Of course the games will have all around better graphics, higher res and so on but what will set them apart is the vast improvement in physics.

Of course next gen PCs will be able to run next gen console games better but then you have to upgrade your PC to get to that point.

If you buy a PC this year, unless it's a MONSTER build like 1% of people actually have, then the PS4 will run next gen games better.

One final point I want to make is that Nvidia looks to be in trouble because their little physx gimmick will be done with now that AMD is in both next gen consoles and they will be doing next gen physics with that hardware.

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#2  Edited By lundy86_4
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"Current-gen PCs" already have higher specs than the new consoles. I'm confused on your points.

Are you saying that it will beat low to mid-range PCs?

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#3  Edited By gamesaredying
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@Xplode_games said:

Why do you people keep comparing current gen PCs to next gen consoles?

Two major points I want to make. First is all PC games today are built for the 360/PS3(tiny RAM) and then tuned up for the PC. They blow away the 360 and PS3 versions but next gen is another story. Next gen consoles have massive amounts of RAM to play with and of course updated hardware.

Second point I want to make is physics. Next gen will be about physics. PS4 has 4CUs dedicated to physics and it will be used to give next gen games a unique feel. Of course the games will have all around better graphics, higher res and so on but what will set them apart is the vast improvement in physics.

Of course next gen PCs will be able to run next gen console games better but then you have to upgrade your PC to get to that point.

If you buy a PC this year, unless it's a MONSTER build like 1% of people actually have, then the PS4 will run next gen games better.

One final point I want to make is that Nvidia looks to be in trouble because their little physx gimmick will be done with now that AMD is in both next gen consoles and they will be doing next gen physics with that hardware.

I can tell you are a noob consoles use sucky tablet cpus a only have 8gb that's gotta be shared between the cpu and gpu.

Pc's from 5 years ago will still outperform ps4 and xbox one.

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#5 Wasdie  Moderator
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"Current-gen PCs" make no sense. Furthermore PCs since 2011 have more power than either next gen console.

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#6 uninspiredcup
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It''s fairly typical human behavior for those who have aspired to be hated by those currently aspiring.

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#7  Edited By clyde46
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My PC is running a GPU from 2010 and its still smashes the PS4. Not to mention my CPU is vastly superior.

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#8 uninspiredcup
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@clyde46 said:

My PC is running a GPU from 2010 and its still smashes the PS4. Not to mention my CPU is vastly superior.

But Ps4 and xbox One have games.

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Could one assume, that the Radeon 7950, which is capable of 3 TF, and has 3GB of VRAM, if paired with an appropriately powerful computer...

could it keep up for the whole gen?

My answer would be ... it should, but it might not.

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#10  Edited By UNcartMe
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@gamesaredying said:

@Xplode_games said:

Why do you people keep comparing current gen PCs to next gen consoles?

Two major points I want to make. First is all PC games today are built for the 360/PS3(tiny RAM) and then tuned up for the PC. They blow away the 360 and PS3 versions but next gen is another story. Next gen consoles have massive amounts of RAM to play with and of course updated hardware.

Second point I want to make is physics. Next gen will be about physics. PS4 has 4CUs dedicated to physics and it will be used to give next gen games a unique feel. Of course the games will have all around better graphics, higher res and so on but what will set them apart is the vast improvement in physics.

Of course next gen PCs will be able to run next gen console games better but then you have to upgrade your PC to get to that point.

If you buy a PC this year, unless it's a MONSTER build like 1% of people actually have, then the PS4 will run next gen games better.

One final point I want to make is that Nvidia looks to be in trouble because their little physx gimmick will be done with now that AMD is in both next gen consoles and they will be doing next gen physics with that hardware.

I can tell you are a noob consoles use sucky tablet cpus a only have 8gb that's gotta be shared between the cpu and gpu.

Pc's from 5 years ago will still outperform ps4 and xbox one.

Come on man, console and pc development are extremely different. Console developers who have the pleasure of working on a single title for a single console will get more bang for their buck. Hence Sony's first party studios.

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#11  Edited By clyde46
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@uninspiredcup said:

@clyde46 said:

My PC is running a GPU from 2010 and its still smashes the PS4. Not to mention my CPU is vastly superior.

But Ps4 and xbox One have games.

My Steam list says otherwise.

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#12  Edited By psymon100
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@clyde46 said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@clyde46 said:

My PC is running a GPU from 2010 and its still smashes the PS4. Not to mention my CPU is vastly superior.

But Ps4 and xbox One have games.

My Steam list says otherwise.

i fink he was havin' a laugh.

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Lmao, what the hell is this nonsense?

PCs from 2008 can beat PS4 and X1 easily.

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#14 clyde46
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@psymon100 said:

@clyde46 said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@clyde46 said:

My PC is running a GPU from 2010 and its still smashes the PS4. Not to mention my CPU is vastly superior.

But Ps4 and xbox One have games.

My Steam list says otherwise.

i fink he was havin' a laugh.

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^yip

a pretty fun game me old china.

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@Lumpy311 said:

ITT: Console Peasant is already jelly.

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a core i5 cpu mops the floor with the low end Apu that is on consoles and a 7950 is decisively faster than the cut down 7870 on Ps4 and that is not exactly a monster pc . Is something you can build with $700-800 and less if you only plan to upgrade

A monster pc would indicate the latest i7 and a gtx titan or Amd r290x

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#18  Edited By GioVela2010
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My next gen console setup will outperform the peasant hermkid setups at systemwars.

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@GioVela2010: Kk.

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@GioVela2010 said:

My next gen console setup will outperform the peasant hermkid setups at systemwars.

Thread is about

1)consoles and PC,not setups

2)not about your own setup

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#22  Edited By MonsieurX
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@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

My next gen console setup will outperform the peasant hermkid setups at systemwars.

Thread is about

1)consoles and PC,not setups

2)not about your own setup

Cant play PC without the rest of the setup. You know, that shitty IPS Monitor and Stereo Sound.

LMAO

Can't play PC on a TV?

Didn't know that

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#24 MonsieurX
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@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

My next gen console setup will outperform the peasant hermkid setups at systemwars.

Thread is about

1)consoles and PC,not setups

2)not about your own setup

Cant play PC without the rest of the setup. You know, that shitty IPS Monitor and Stereo Sound.

LMAO

Can't play PC on a TV?

Didn't know that

Until you do, you can kindly STFU, thanks :)

My console setup > Your PC Setup

My PC >your consoles and your PC

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#25  Edited By lostrib
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"current gen PCs" is a pretty broad range. everything from intel integrated up to Titans/780s

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#26  Edited By lostrib
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@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

My next gen console setup will outperform the peasant hermkid setups at systemwars.

Thread is about

1)consoles and PC,not setups

2)not about your own setup

Cant play PC without the rest of the setup. You know, that shitty IPS Monitor and Stereo Sound.

LMAO

Can't play PC on a TV?

Didn't know that

Until you do, you can kindly STFU, thanks :)

My console setup > Your PC Setup

shut up gio

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My brother doesn't even have a job at the moment and he built a monster of a rig with GeForce 770GTX, 8gb of best ddr3 ram and the very best i5 processor with a really fancy $500 Asus motherboard ( I forgot the name) which allows insane overclocking...Fail. And he lives in Poland which in relation to standard of living in other European countries to the West has to pay 4 times more for electronic goods so quit spilling nonsense around, TC!

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#28  Edited By GioVela2010
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@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

My next gen console setup will outperform the peasant hermkid setups at systemwars.

Thread is about

1)consoles and PC,not setups

2)not about your own setup

Cant play PC without the rest of the setup. You know, that shitty IPS Monitor and Stereo Sound.

LMAO

Can't play PC on a TV?

Didn't know that

Until you do, you can kindly STFU, thanks :)

My console setup > Your PC Setup

My PC >your consoles and your PC

There isnt a person in the world who would choose your peasant setup over my Living Room Setup

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#29  Edited By Lumpy311
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@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

My next gen console setup will outperform the peasant hermkid setups at systemwars.

Thread is about

1)consoles and PC,not setups

2)not about your own setup

Cant play PC without the rest of the setup. You know, that shitty IPS Monitor and Stereo Sound.

LMAO

Can't play PC on a TV?

Didn't know that

Until you do, you can kindly STFU, thanks :)

My console setup > Your PC Setup

My PC >your consoles and your PC

There isnt a person in the world who would choose your peasant setup over my Living Room Setup

You have no proof of that.

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#30  Edited By MonsieurX
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Avoiding the point,as usual

My PC is superior to your weak ass consoles :(

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@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

My next gen console setup will outperform the peasant hermkid setups at systemwars.

Thread is about

1)consoles and PC,not setups

2)not about your own setup

Cant play PC without the rest of the setup. You know, that shitty IPS Monitor and Stereo Sound.

LMAO

Can't play PC on a TV?

Didn't know that

Until you do, you can kindly STFU, thanks :)

My console setup > Your PC Setup

My PC >your consoles and your PC

There isnt a person in the world who would choose your peasant setup over my Living Room Setup

Your TV is pretty poo buddy. It's not even that great.

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@millerlight89 said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

My next gen console setup will outperform the peasant hermkid setups at systemwars.

Thread is about

1)consoles and PC,not setups

2)not about your own setup

Cant play PC without the rest of the setup. You know, that shitty IPS Monitor and Stereo Sound.

LMAO

Can't play PC on a TV?

Didn't know that

Until you do, you can kindly STFU, thanks :)

My console setup > Your PC Setup

My PC >your consoles and your PC

There isnt a person in the world who would choose your peasant setup over my Living Room Setup

Your TV is pretty poo buddy. It's not even that great.

lol yah right buddy.

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#33 GioVela2010
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@MonsieurX said:

Avoiding the point,as usual

My PC is superior to your weak ass consoles :(

LOL Avoiding the fact that you cant play your PC without the rest of your horrible setup.

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#34  Edited By BluRayHiDef
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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure my current PC blows the Playstation 4 and XBOX ONE out of the water, into the sky, through the clouds, pass the atmospheric barrier, into space, and into the sun.

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#35 millerlight89
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@GioVela2010 said:

@millerlight89 said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@GioVela2010 said:

My next gen console setup will outperform the peasant hermkid setups at systemwars.

Thread is about

1)consoles and PC,not setups

2)not about your own setup

Cant play PC without the rest of the setup. You know, that shitty IPS Monitor and Stereo Sound.

LMAO

Can't play PC on a TV?

Didn't know that

Until you do, you can kindly STFU, thanks :)

My console setup > Your PC Setup

My PC >your consoles and your PC

There isnt a person in the world who would choose your peasant setup over my Living Room Setup

Your TV is pretty poo buddy. It's not even that great.

lol yah right buddy.

I know I'm right, you don't have to confirm that.

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#36 Lumpy311
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@GioVela2010 said:

@MonsieurX said:

Avoiding the point,as usual

My PC is superior to your weak ass consoles :(

LOL Avoiding the fact that you cant play your PC without the rest of your horrible setup.

stay mad the ps4 has no games

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@BluRayHiDef said:

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure my current PC blows the Playstation 4 and XBOX ONE out of the water, into the sky, through the clouds, pass the atmospheric barrier, into space, and into the sun.

You are wrong, Carmack says console exclusives get twice as much performance out of equal PC hardware to do focus on single spec.

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#38  Edited By MonsieurX
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@GioVela2010 said:

@BluRayHiDef said:

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure my current PC blows the Playstation 4 and XBOX ONE out of the water, into the sky, through the clouds, pass the atmospheric barrier, into space, and into the sun.

You are wrong, Carmack says console exclusives get twice as much performance out of equal PC hardware to do focus on single spec.

720P BF4 on X1 and 900P on PS4 confirms otherwise.

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#39 Lumpy311
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@GioVela2010 said:

@BluRayHiDef said:

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure my current PC blows the Playstation 4 and XBOX ONE out of the water, into the sky, through the clouds, pass the atmospheric barrier, into space, and into the sun.

You are wrong, Carmack says console exclusives get twice as much performance out of equal PC hardware to do focus on single spec.

if only he made games so his opinion would be valid

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#40  Edited By Lumpy311
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@GioVela2010 said:

@BluRayHiDef said:

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure my current PC blows the Playstation 4 and XBOX ONE out of the water, into the sky, through the clouds, pass the atmospheric barrier, into space, and into the sun.

You are wrong, Carmack says console exclusives get twice as much performance out of equal PC hardware to do focus on single spec.

if only he made games so his opinion would be valid

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#41  Edited By lostrib
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guys, just ignore Gio. Haven't you guys gotten tired of his schtick?

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#42 Basinboy
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1) NVIDIA isn't in trouble because AMD has a lock on consoles. AMD locked consoles down because they had no other choice in order to stay alive. PhysX will live & die by its own merits (just like TresFX or whatever Crystal Dynamics called their hair rendering protocol).

2) These consoles are PCs and pass data in a drastically similar way. This allows gamemakers to design for the highest common denominator and scale back from there. It's all their choice, but it is an option not previously affordable.

3) Consoles will only outperform certain PCs due to a spec advantage or optimisation. If you build it better, it will be better.

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#43  Edited By Xplode_games
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@Salt_The_Fries said:

My brother doesn't even have a job at the moment and he built a monster of a rig with GeForce 770GTX, 8gb of best ddr3 ram and the very best i5 processor with a really fancy $500 Asus motherboard ( I forgot the name) which allows insane overclocking...Fail. And he lives in Poland which in relation to standard of living in other European countries to the West has to pay 4 times more for electronic goods so quit spilling nonsense around, TC!

The 770 GTX has only 2GB of GDDR RAM. It's not what I would consider a MONSTER PC.

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#44  Edited By Kinthalis
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@GioVela2010 said:

@BluRayHiDef said:

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure my current PC blows the Playstation 4 and XBOX ONE out of the water, into the sky, through the clouds, pass the atmospheric barrier, into space, and into the sun.

You are wrong, Carmack says console exclusives get twice as much performance out of equal PC hardware to do focus on single spec.

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

He was tlkaing about DX9. He was recently quoted as saying that console sNO LONGER have that advanatage. Modern API's Mantle, DX11.1+ and OpenGL with extensions offer similar performance.

Get with the times idiot.

The so called console "to the metal" advanatge vanishes with this generation.

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ONly thing I care about is my experience, not everybody else's. My PC smacks next gen consoles around for a warm up. That doesn't mean I don't want a PS4 though, because I do.

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#46 Lumpy311
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@Kinthalis said:

@GioVela2010 said:

@BluRayHiDef said:

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure my current PC blows the Playstation 4 and XBOX ONE out of the water, into the sky, through the clouds, pass the atmospheric barrier, into space, and into the sun.

You are wrong, Carmack says console exclusives get twice as much performance out of equal PC hardware to do focus on single spec.

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

He was tlkaing about DX9. He was recently quoted as saying that console sNO LONGER have that advanatage. Modern API's DX11.1+, mantle and OpenGL oiffer similar performance.

Get with the times idiot.

owned

good work

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#47  Edited By MonsieurX
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@Xplode_games said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

My brother doesn't even have a job at the moment and he built a monster of a rig with GeForce 770GTX, 8gb of best ddr3 ram and the very best i5 processor with a really fancy $500 Asus motherboard ( I forgot the name) which allows insane overclocking...Fail. And he lives in Poland which in relation to standard of living in other European countries to the West has to pay 4 times more for electronic goods so quit spilling nonsense around, TC!

The 770 GTX has only 2GB of GDDR RAM. It's not what I would consider a MONSTER PC.

More ram doesn't really get you much benefits,unless you're playing on multiple monitors

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@Lumpy311 said:

@Kinthalis said:

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@BluRayHiDef said:

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure my current PC blows the Playstation 4 and XBOX ONE out of the water, into the sky, through the clouds, pass the atmospheric barrier, into space, and into the sun.

You are wrong, Carmack says console exclusives get twice as much performance out of equal PC hardware to do focus on single spec.

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

He was tlkaing about DX9. He was recently quoted as saying that console sNO LONGER have that advanatage. Modern API's DX11.1+, mantle and OpenGL oiffer similar performance.

Get with the times idiot.

owned

good work

now, just let it go

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@MonsieurX said:

@Xplode_games said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

My brother doesn't even have a job at the moment and he built a monster of a rig with GeForce 770GTX, 8gb of best ddr3 ram and the very best i5 processor with a really fancy $500 Asus motherboard ( I forgot the name) which allows insane overclocking...Fail. And he lives in Poland which in relation to standard of living in other European countries to the West has to pay 4 times more for electronic goods so quit spilling nonsense around, TC!

The 770 GTX has only 2GB of GDDR RAM. It's not what I would consider a MONSTER PC.

More ram doesn't really get you much benefits,unless you're playing on multiple monitors

I think it does, try playing some of those Skyrim mods with a 1.5GB card. Pro-tip, its not fun.

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@clyde46 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@Xplode_games said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

My brother doesn't even have a job at the moment and he built a monster of a rig with GeForce 770GTX, 8gb of best ddr3 ram and the very best i5 processor with a really fancy $500 Asus motherboard ( I forgot the name) which allows insane overclocking...Fail. And he lives in Poland which in relation to standard of living in other European countries to the West has to pay 4 times more for electronic goods so quit spilling nonsense around, TC!

The 770 GTX has only 2GB of GDDR RAM. It's not what I would consider a MONSTER PC.

More ram doesn't really get you much benefits,unless you're playing on multiple monitors

I think it does, try playing some of those Skyrim mods with a 1.5GB card. Pro-tip, its not fun.

also, the BF4 beta started hitting 2GB VRAM @ 1080P