New z6c Console, Quad-Core, pre-orders at 500,000.

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#1 Posted by Jakandsigz (4512 posts) -

Zero Devices is preparing to launch a new Android gaming box with a quad-core processor, a good range of ports, a wireless remote control and a game controller. It’s called the Zero Devices Z6C Entertainment Box, and it’s designed to let you run Android apps and games on a TV.

The Z6C features a Rockchip RK3188 ARM Cortex-A9 quad-core processor, 2GB of Gddr5RAM, 8GB of built-in storage, and a microSD card slot if you need extra space. It also has 3 USB ports and a micro USB port which you can use to hook up a keyboard, mouse, flash drive, or other peripherals.

The device includes 802.11n WiFi, Bluetooth 4.0, and an Ethernet jack, has a built-in mic and infrared port for a remote control, and features HDMI, SPDIF and headset ports for audio and video.

Zero Devices includes a wireless game controller that should work with the growing number of Android games which support D-pads and buttons instead of touchscreens (thanks to products like the NVIDIA Shield and Ouya game console).

Pricing and release details aren’t available yet, but Zero Devices says the box is coming soon, and it will ship with Android 4.4.2 KitKat software.

Device already has more than 500,000 pre-orders and is expected to sell over a million within the first month.

A closer view:

Everyones jumping on board.

#2 Posted by lundy86_4 (43010 posts) -

I see no reason to jump on board.

#3 Posted by CrownKingArthur (4431 posts) -

triangle circle square and x.

isn't that a bit risky? wouldn't sony pursue litigation?

#4 Edited by Jakandsigz (4512 posts) -

triangle circle square and x.

isn't that a bit risky? wouldn't sony pursue litigation?

That config existed before. Also a lot use that config just like they use A,B,C,D,Y,Z,X etc.

Although to be accurate, notice how the shaped in the buttons are dotted. Sony would not be able to sue even if it was valid.

#5 Posted by lundy86_4 (43010 posts) -

That config existed before. Also a lot use that config just like they use A,B,C,D,Y,Z,X etc.

Although to be accurate, notice how the shaped in the buttons are dotted. Sony would not be able to sue even if it was valid.

Unless you specifically know the patents, and litigation... How do you know?

#6 Edited by CrownKingArthur (4431 posts) -

@CrownKingArthur said:

triangle circle square and x.

isn't that a bit risky? wouldn't sony pursue litigation?

That config existed before. Also a lot use that config just like they use A,B,C,D,Y,Z,X etc.

Although to be accurate, notice how the shaped in the buttons are dotted. Sony would not be able to sue even if it was valid.

"That config existed before" wot do you mean? surely sony is the only one using x square circle triangle.

yes i notice the dots. it is x square circle triangle. if the took the exact colors of the sony symbols, took the html color codes and just added +1 to each color would that mean they were different colors? technically yes they would be different colors. if yes would that mean litigation was out of the question?

if your defence was the little dots make it different i would take you to court. the premise of my case would be that these specific symbols (x square circle trialbe) are well established through years of marketing R&D and other expenses are flat out plagiarised by 'Zero Devices' in order to provide 'Zero Devices' customers a familiar experience - all based on sony's hard work with their over decade long establishment of x square circle triangle. furthermore the relative position of the symbols is the same.

#7 Posted by Jakandsigz (4512 posts) -

^Except those are enough as Sony has lost before. Also yes, people have used the before and after.

There are tons of thrd-party Sony rip-offs. I assume sony will try to sue if those 500,000 pre-orders actually buy the console and more sales come in. But they will most likely lose. Because the symbols are dotted. If the court even considers giving the, the time of day for basic shapes.

#8 Posted by lundy86_4 (43010 posts) -

^Except those are enough as Sony has lost before. Also yes, people have used the before and after.

There are tons of thrd-party Sony rip-offs. I assume sony will try to sue if those 500,000 pre-orders actually buy the console and more sales come in. But they will most likely lose. Because the symbols are dotted. If the court even considers giving the, the time of day for basic shapes.

Speculation. Great...

#9 Posted by Jakandsigz (4512 posts) -

@Jakandsigz said:

^Except those are enough as Sony has lost before. Also yes, people have used the before and after.

There are tons of thrd-party Sony rip-offs. I assume sony will try to sue if those 500,000 pre-orders actually buy the console and more sales come in. But they will most likely lose. Because the symbols are dotted. If the court even considers giving the, the time of day for basic shapes.

Speculation. Great...

It's not speculation it's fact based on history. Why would a court all of a sudden grant sony symbols when they failed before? Some of you guys.

#10 Edited by lundy86_4 (43010 posts) -

@Jakandsigz said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@Jakandsigz said:

^Except those are enough as Sony has lost before. Also yes, people have used the before and after.

There are tons of thrd-party Sony rip-offs. I assume sony will try to sue if those 500,000 pre-orders actually buy the console and more sales come in. But they will most likely lose. Because the symbols are dotted. If the court even considers giving the, the time of day for basic shapes.

Speculation. Great...

It's not speculation it's fact based on history. Why would a court all of a sudden grant sony symbols when they failed before? Some of you guys.

It's 100% speculation. Nothing can be fact, if it is open to litigation, which patent law can be.

Also, I specifically asked if you know the patent law. If you do, then show it.

#11 Edited by Jakandsigz (4512 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

@Jakandsigz said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@Jakandsigz said:

^Except those are enough as Sony has lost before. Also yes, people have used the before and after.

There are tons of thrd-party Sony rip-offs. I assume sony will try to sue if those 500,000 pre-orders actually buy the console and more sales come in. But they will most likely lose. Because the symbols are dotted. If the court even considers giving the, the time of day for basic shapes.

Speculation. Great...

It's not speculation it's fact based on history. Why would a court all of a sudden grant sony symbols when they failed before? Some of you guys.

It's 100% speculation. Nothing can be fact, if it is open to litigation, which patent law can be.

Also, I specifically asked if you know the patent law. If you do, then show it.

You didn't ask me anything, what are you talking about.

edit: Actually wait, i just told you before like twice that they have lost before. Man you need some rest.

#12 Edited by lundy86_4 (43010 posts) -

@Jakandsigz said:

You didn't ask me anything, what are you talking about.

edit: Actually wait, i just told you before like twice that they have lost before. Man you need some rest.

@lundy86_4 said:

Unless you specifically know the patents, and litigation... How do you know?

You never quoted me. You told me zero times that they lost. Furthermore, you provided zero evidence. I asked if you know the patents... If you do, and I am wrong, then great. Show it...

#13 Edited by CrownKingArthur (4431 posts) -

@Jakandsigz said:

^Except those are enough as Sony has lost before. Also yes, people have used the before and after.

There are tons of thrd-party Sony rip-offs. I assume sony will try to sue if those 500,000 pre-orders actually buy the console and more sales come in. But they will most likely lose. Because the symbols are dotted. If the court even considers giving the, the time of day for basic shapes.

Speculation. Great...

basic shapes. lol

x square circle triangle can only mean one brand. how many billions of marketing were spent on this investment?

i'll give you another example jakandsigz.

what if this console really stinks? well, it's got x square circle triangle on it - what if that cheapens the playstation brand?

we aren't talking about a logitech controller for the ps3 which needs x square circle triangle in order to achieve consistency with the on screen prompts. we are talking about an android device which has nothing to do with sony, or sony games, or playstation. which uses symbols of x square circle triangle in the exact same configuration as playstation products.

i don't know why you are defending this product. what is your attachment to it?

#14 Posted by CrownKingArthur (4431 posts) -

@Jakandsigz said:

You didn't ask me anything, what are you talking about.

edit: Actually wait, i just told you before like twice that they have lost before. Man you need some rest.

@lundy86_4 said:

Unless you specifically know the patents, and litigation... How do you know?

You never quoted me. You told me zero times that they lost.

i need a link to a court ruling regarding x square circle triangle. since it exists.

i couldn't find one. used google.

#15 Edited by silversix_ (14079 posts) -

Controller screams Made In China.

#16 Edited by Jakandsigz (4512 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

@Jakandsigz said:

^Except those are enough as Sony has lost before. Also yes, people have used the before and after.

There are tons of thrd-party Sony rip-offs. I assume sony will try to sue if those 500,000 pre-orders actually buy the console and more sales come in. But they will most likely lose. Because the symbols are dotted. If the court even considers giving the, the time of day for basic shapes.

Speculation. Great...

basic shapes. lol

x square circle triangle can only mean one brand. how many billions of marketing were spent on this investment?

i'll give you another example jakandsigz.

what if this console really stinks? well, it's got x square circle triangle on it - what if that cheapens the playstation brand?

we aren't talking about a logitech controller for the ps3 which needs x square circle triangle in order to achieve consistency with the on screen prompts. we are talking about an android device which has nothing to do with sony, or sony games, or playstation. which uses symbols of x square circle triangle in the exact same configuration as playstation products.

i don't know why you are defending this product. what is your attachment to it?

You can walk in a store and find even closer rip-offs and you are pretending sony has a mono on basic shapes????? Well pointless then. Not sure what you're even trying to say now.

#17 Posted by lundy86_4 (43010 posts) -

You can walk in a store and find even closer rip-offs and you are pretending sony has a mono on basic shapes????? Well pointless then. Not sure what you're even trying to say now.

Show where they lost multiple times.

^Except those are enough as Sony has lost before. Also yes, people have used the before and after.

There are tons of thrd-party Sony rip-offs. I assume sony will try to sue if those 500,000 pre-orders actually buy the console and more sales come in. But they will most likely lose. Because the symbols are dotted. If the court even considers giving the, the time of day for basic shapes.

You are stating that they have a case. Prove it... Or jog on...

#18 Edited by CrownKingArthur (4431 posts) -

@CrownKingArthur said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@Jakandsigz said:

^Except those are enough as Sony has lost before. Also yes, people have used the before and after.

There are tons of thrd-party Sony rip-offs. I assume sony will try to sue if those 500,000 pre-orders actually buy the console and more sales come in. But they will most likely lose. Because the symbols are dotted. If the court even considers giving the, the time of day for basic shapes.

Speculation. Great...

basic shapes. lol

x square circle triangle can only mean one brand. how many billions of marketing were spent on this investment?

i'll give you another example jakandsigz.

what if this console really stinks? well, it's got x square circle triangle on it - what if that cheapens the playstation brand?

we aren't talking about a logitech controller for the ps3 which needs x square circle triangle in order to achieve consistency with the on screen prompts. we are talking about an android device which has nothing to do with sony, or sony games, or playstation. which uses symbols of x square circle triangle in the exact same configuration as playstation products.

i don't know why you are defending this product. what is your attachment to it?

You can walk in a store and find even closer rip-offs and you are pretending sony has a mono on basic shapes????? Well pointless then. Not sure what you're even trying to say now.

so you can't find the lawsuit? didn't think so. it's never happened before.

what about a link to these even closer rip-offs? a picture will speak greater volume than words.

sony doesn't have a mono on basic shapes. some decade and a half ago or something sony released the playstation. it's buttons were x square circle triangle. this is integral to the playstation brand. they've always been located in the same relative positions on the controller. now this company which you keep defending has plagiarised the exact four geometric shapes in the exact same positions.

hmm, if you were a playstation gamer, would this console seem familiar to you? if the product were familiar, would you be more likely to buy it? they have flat out plagiased sony's established button profile and put it on their console. i bet they spent less than an hour doing this. how much did sony spend back in the mid 90s?

seriously - this company has given up developing a set of buttons and instead opted to steal sony's ideas. you should accept this, why do you defend this company? they will lose in court.

#19 Edited by Jakandsigz (4512 posts) -

@CrownKingArthur said:

@Jakandsigz said:

@CrownKingArthur said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@Jakandsigz said:

^Except those are enough as Sony has lost before. Also yes, people have used the before and after.

There are tons of thrd-party Sony rip-offs. I assume sony will try to sue if those 500,000 pre-orders actually buy the console and more sales come in. But they will most likely lose. Because the symbols are dotted. If the court even considers giving the, the time of day for basic shapes.

Speculation. Great...

basic shapes. lol

x square circle triangle can only mean one brand. how many billions of marketing were spent on this investment?

i'll give you another example jakandsigz.

what if this console really stinks? well, it's got x square circle triangle on it - what if that cheapens the playstation brand?

we aren't talking about a logitech controller for the ps3 which needs x square circle triangle in order to achieve consistency with the on screen prompts. we are talking about an android device which has nothing to do with sony, or sony games, or playstation. which uses symbols of x square circle triangle in the exact same configuration as playstation products.

i don't know why you are defending this product. what is your attachment to it?

You can walk in a store and find even closer rip-offs and you are pretending sony has a mono on basic shapes????? Well pointless then. Not sure what you're even trying to say now.

so you can't find the lawsuit? didn't think so. it's never happened before.

what about a link to these even closer rip-offs? a picture will speak greater volume than words.

sony doesn't have a mono on basic shapes. some decade and a half ago or something sony released the playstation. it's buttons were x square circle triangle. this is integral to the playstation brand. they've always been located in the same relative positions on the controller. now this company which you keep defending has plagiarised the exact four geometric shapes in the exact same positions.

hmm, if you were a playstation gamer, would this console seem familiar to you? if the product were familiar, would you be more likely to buy it? they have flat out plagiased sony's established button profile and put it on their console. i bet they spent less than an hour doing this. how much did sony spend back in the mid 90s?

seriously - this company has given up developing a set of buttons and instead opted to steal sony's ideas. you should accept this, why do you defend this company? they will lose in court.

You are literally the dumbest man on the planet if you don't know how to type in "third-party PS3 controller" on google. It's why no ones backing you up. you're stupid as shit.

#20 Posted by Heil68 (43465 posts) -

Blatant Sony controller rip off, bot buying. Bet they get sued too.

#21 Edited by MonsieurX (29535 posts) -

500$ android box to play emulators?

#22 Edited by CrownKingArthur (4431 posts) -

@CrownKingArthur said:

so you can't find the lawsuit? didn't think so. it's never happened before.

what about a link to these even closer rip-offs? a picture will speak greater volume than words.

sony doesn't have a mono on basic shapes. some decade and a half ago or something sony released the playstation. it's buttons were x square circle triangle. this is integral to the playstation brand. they've always been located in the same relative positions on the controller. now this company which you keep defending has plagiarised the exact four geometric shapes in the exact same positions.

hmm, if you were a playstation gamer, would this console seem familiar to you? if the product were familiar, would you be more likely to buy it? they have flat out plagiased sony's established button profile and put it on their console. i bet they spent less than an hour doing this. how much did sony spend back in the mid 90s?

seriously - this company has given up developing a set of buttons and instead opted to steal sony's ideas. you should accept this, why do you defend this company? they will lose in court.

You are literally the dumbest man on the planet if you don't know how to type in "third-party PS3 controller" on google. It's why no ones backing you up. you're stupid as shit.

already covered licensed controllers: "we aren't talking about a logitech controller for the ps3 which needs x square circle triangle in order to achieve consistency with the on screen prompts"

also, i already said this: "i need a link to a court ruling regarding x square circle triangle. since it exists.i couldn't find one. used google."

you never provided any links to any court cases but you mentioned sony losing in court regarding x square circle triangle. still no evidence eh? just personal attacks.

I don't need backup. what we're talking about is partly hypothetical anyway, except for your mentions of sony losing court cases for which i have yet to see evidence.

i cannot see any sense in your claim that the x square circle triangle can't possible infringe on anything because it is now white and made up with dots.

you haven't provided any evidence to support any claims you're making. @lundy86_4 asked for it too.

why don't you tell this guy he's dumb too?

@Heil68 said:

Blatant Sony controller rip off, bot buying. Bet they get sued too.

except this guy^ isn't dumb. he's one of the most respected and well known users on this forum. this guy thinks. and im not just saying that because he agrees with me on this particular occasion, naturally there are some things we don't 100% agree on but at least i can follow his thought process and at the end of it say "ok cool bro"

jakandsigz maybe put yourself in sony's shoes and imagine a competitor is using your established trademarked symbols which you spent millions designing.

or maybe you can provide me, and lundy, links to these court cases you've mentioned. or maybe you can find out what a licensed controller is and maybe if they have to pay money to sony for the privilege of making a licensed controller.

this article proves that there is the distinction in 3rd party licensed controllers, and 3rd party-non licensed controllers: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/121346/Sony_Goes_Up_Against_PS3_Controller_Knockoffs.php

In the article you will notice a firmware update stops some peripherals functioning but "it appears that third-party devices officially licensed by Sony aren't affected". they did this firmware updates for a few reasons including and aim "to stem counterfeit and unlicensed PlayStation 3 controllers".

show me the x square circle triangle court case where sony loses. please show all of us.