MS missed their chance to make the best console in history

With the UI, the apps, the cable box integration, kinect functionality, XBL, it's already an amazing piece of equipment. All they had to do was make the specs comparable to the PS4's and you would have the ultimate console.

It will still be a great console but it could have been untouchable even with the $500 price tag.

Dat $600 Xbox, tho.

It still has a chance to be the best if MS can release great games for it.

Take Kinect. Throw it out. Invest that money into specs. Day one.

I like Kinect for it's non gaming features

Like what, honestly? And is it worth the amount of money that it's adding to the console for you?

You mean.... like beating Dreamcast? :p I don't think Microsoft is compatible of doing so... looks what happened with 360 on 2nd half

That's all I care about.

Face recognition ( signs you in by scanning your face! ), voice commands, Skype, etc etc etc....it's worth the $100

Kinect at launch, not comprehensive, and stolen from that other forum:

Battlefield 4: Headtracking used for leaning and looking around inside vehicles. Voice commands.

Crimson Dragon: Controller used for movement, Kinect used for leaning and 'rolling'. Voice commands used for companion AI dragons. All done from couch.

D4: Voice commands for conversations with NPCs. Tracks posture and emotion. Can be done from sitting position.

Dead Rising 3: Voice commands attract or distract zombies.

Fantasia: Music Evolved: Kinect-driven rythm game.

Fighter Within: Kinect-driven fighting game (IMO, looks like s**t)

Forza 5: Head tracking in cockpit.

Just Dance 2014: Kinect-driven dancing game. Same as previous iterations.

Kinect Sports Rivals: Kinect-driven action game. Wave racing free/available at launch.

Plants Vs Zombies: Unknown

Project Spark: This game is basically a game builder. Kinect can be used to record actions for NPCs somewhat like MoCap-light

Ryse: Voice commands to AI companions

Zoo Tycoon: Used to interact with animals physically and verbally

Zumba Fitness: Kinect-driven fitness game.

Xbox Fitness: Kinect-driven fitness application. Monitors progress through video workout programs like P90X and Insanity.
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Then there's the UI control, Skype, profile switching and on and on and Ariston.

But they failed.

Heh, each their own or whatever. No biggie.

The system is not even out.

I heard about specs almost half way through last gen before Sony made a game worthy of purchase.

Calm down The One will be fine.

Yup. I had no other choice but to go with PS4. I'll get xbone later.

All I really care about are great games. A console needs to deliver on that.

It could be the greatest console in history, we'll have to wait and see.

The specs are done cooked and out of the oven, but it's very likely a $400ish Kinectless Xbone is coming off the meat train next year if sales don't go their way.

MS wasted their 5 billion transistor budget on ESRAM.

If large GDDR5 is a problem, they should have built a box similar to the following PC build

2 GB GDDR5 > 32 MB ESRAM

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PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Zj6j

CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 740 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($67.00 @ Amazon)

Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A55M-HD2 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard ($44.99 @ Newegg)

Memory: G.Skill Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($68.00 @ Newegg)

Storage: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.99 @ Amazon)

Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 7870 XT 2GB Video Card ($139.99 @ Newegg)

Case: Sentey CS1-1398 PLUS ATX Mid Tower Case ($17.00 @ Newegg)

Power Supply: CoolMax 500W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($19.99 @ Newegg)

Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.98 @ OutletPC)

Total: $423.94 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.) (Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-11-08 14:58 EST-0500)

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/battlefield_4_vga_graphics_performance_benchmark,7.html

"monitor resolution of 1600x1200 - again all tests have DX11 / Ultra Quality mode with 2xMSAA enabled and HBAO"

Note the 7870 GE's 1600x1200p vs PS4's 1600x900p result.

Radeon HD 7870 XT with 24 CUs(2.995 TFLOPS) has the power to dump FLOPS on Kinect/SHAPE.

Radeon HD 7870 XT is faster than 7870 GE.

CPU benchmarks

http://www.techspot.com/review/734-battlefield-4-benchmarks/page6.html

True, they did the hard part. They only had to put in a decent piece of hardware and game over... now this bullshit, x1 preorder canceled, day one PS4 instead. Idiots.

MS used their own SHAPE IP i.e. X1's SoC has 47 MB of SRAM with ~32 MB allocated to the GPU.

If X1 bombs, MS shouldn't have entered the chip IP business. MS' SHAPE IP (some DSP type solution) is their own CELL mess.

Kinect actually seems a lot better than I thought and after seeing the fitness app it actually blew me away a bit just how good it was. I'm still gonna wait at least 6 months despite it having some nice looking games but I just want to see how everything pans out and as I do most of my gaming on PC I'm in no hurry.

If they did what you suggest TC, it would be more like $600 not still $500. Also, regardless of price, if there are no games to play after 3-4 years then there is no value in the system.

So, just liek PS3 at launch, and im pretty sure X1 can best PS3.

Their focus just isn't in the same place