Microsoft, change your strategy, or drop out (long read)

#151 Posted by -RocBoys9489- (6222 posts) -

Carizard Im not on my home computer so I will list my reasons and points of contention. I will do more research when I get home to back this up with sources as well.

Sony bought its way into the industry by buying small studios thus acquiring titles.

EA, ACTIVISION, UB, SQUARE: These companies started buying smaller studios to increase their profits.

Microsoft joined the industry late the continued expansion of sony, and the studios prevente Microsoft from purchasing successful studios.

more to follow... lecture starting.

THANK YOU. So many dumb, ignorant 12 year olds on this forum that don't know the history of gaming. Sony is no saint company, they've bought third party exclusives for yeeeeeearssss! MGS? FF? Resistance anybody?! Just to name a few off top of my head.

#153 Posted by blackace (20562 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@blackace said:

Someone is having anoher meltdown I see. They were all exclusive when the system launch and they are still exclusive until a PC version is release. Don't be mad because your wrong. Yes, there is more variety in different genre then what launched on the PS4. Don't like it? Too bad. Please, can I have more damage control so I can laugh at you.

You're the one raging and I'm the one having a meltdown? lol

They are not all exclusive, you can cry all you want. Just like TR isn't exclusive and is yet to release on any platform. :D

Still, you keep fighting that good fight! :D Maybe MS will win something one day :D

Yes, Billions and Billions in profits every year means absolutely nothing. lol!! Keep fighting the good fight indeed. Yes, you are having a meltdown, but like most Cows, don't know it.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/3019573/indiana-jones-face-melt-o.gif

#154 Edited by GrenadeLauncher (4612 posts) -

@blackace said:

@Legend002 said:

Best reason to own an Xbox is for early timed 3rd party AAA exclusives.

^That's actually like the only reason.

5+ million XB1 gamers say, "Nope!!"

Yeah, they can also use it to watch TV on their TV.

#155 Edited by -RocBoys9489- (6222 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher said:

@blackace said:

@Legend002 said:

Best reason to own an Xbox is for early timed 3rd party AAA exclusives.

^That's actually like the only reason.

5+ million XB1 gamers say, "Nope!!"

Yeah, they can also use it to watch TV on their TV.

MS this year has had Titanfall, and has Forza Horizon and the Master Chief Collection coming out in addition to Sunset overdrive. Please, just stop while you're behind. Oh, and I forgot the new Dance Central game which shall be a hit at my house parties this year 8)

#156 Posted by StormyJoe (5115 posts) -

@charizard1605: If you are going to include Killer Instinct and Excite Bike for Nintendo, you have to include: Blood Wake, Brute Force, Deathrow, Crimson Skies, and probably other XBox games.

#157 Edited by Desmonic (13745 posts) -

@blackace said:

Yes, Billions and Billions in profits every year means absolutely nothing. lol!! Keep fighting the good fight indeed. Yes, you are having a meltdown, but like most Cows, don't know it.

Billions in profit? From the Xbox? Rofl. More like billions in loss.

They have yet to make any sort of balance with the brand, much less profit.

I also like how you deferred to "money", which everyone knows has shit all to do with the Xbox branch :D

Like I said, keep fighting the good fight! :D And keep melting, it's entertaining! :D

#158 Posted by GrenadeLauncher (4612 posts) -

Having many first party studios /=/ having a strong first party. You're going to tell me with a straight face you actually enjoyed those awful Killzone games?!

lol if you're denying that Sony has a strong first party, even compared to MS, then you are at the heights of delusion.

MS this year has had Titanfall, and has Forza Horizon and the Master Chief Collection coming out in addition to Sunset overdrive. Please, just stop while you're behind.

A cross-gen non-exclusive FPS, a cross-gen racer and a port collection. Only SO to bail out the line up. Truly tragic.

#159 Edited by PraetorianMan (1327 posts) -

Microsoft does not have the same brute force and room to maneuver now as they did when the Xbox first launched.

Right now Apple is flanking them on one side and Google is flanking them on another. It is extremely doubtful that Microsoft is going to be willing to dump hundreds of millions or billions of dollars into trying to reverse the Xbox One's fortuntes.

Yes, MIcrosoft could probably afford to spend an ungodly amount of money to just buy EA and secure all of their properties. That would save the Xbox One, but it would suddenly leave Microsoft with absolutely no ammunition to fight off its other rivals. Apple will suddenly bite MS's head off in the portable market, Google will suddenly crush all of MS's software, and even Amazon will probably get a few good bites in too.

#160 Posted by -RocBoys9489- (6222 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@blackace said:

Yes, Billions and Billions in profits every year means absolutely nothing. lol!! Keep fighting the good fight indeed. Yes, you are having a meltdown, but like most Cows, don't know it.

Billions in profit? From the Xbox? Rofl. More like billions in loss.

They have yet to make any sort of balance with the brand, much less profit.

I also like how you deferred to "money", which everyone knows has shit all to do with the Xbox branch :D

Like I said, keep fighting the good fight! :D And keep melting, it's entertaining! :D

The Xbox brand more than recouped the billions lost from the original Xbox with the Xbox 360 platform. Get your head out of your ass.

#161 Posted by Shewgenja (8779 posts) -

THANK YOU. So many dumb, ignorant 12 year olds on this forum that don't know the history of gaming. Sony is no saint company, they've bought third party exclusives for yeeeeeearssss! MGS? FF? Resistance anybody?! Just to name a few off top of my head.

FF went to Playstation because they used CDs which allowed Squaresoft to put their FMV in FFVII whereas the N64 cartridges were very limiting. Please know what the fuck you are talking about before calling people names. I've never seen a poster go from 0 to irrelevant as fast as you.

#162 Posted by Desmonic (13745 posts) -

The Xbox brand more than recouped the billions lost from the original Xbox with the Xbox 360 platform. Get your head out of your ass.

Pretty sure it didn't but you're more than free to prove me wrong bro.

#163 Edited by -RocBoys9489- (6222 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@blackace said:

Yes, Billions and Billions in profits every year means absolutely nothing. lol!! Keep fighting the good fight indeed. Yes, you are having a meltdown, but like most Cows, don't know it.

Billions in profit? From the Xbox? Rofl. More like billions in loss.

They have yet to make any sort of balance with the brand, much less profit.

I also like how you deferred to "money", which everyone knows has shit all to do with the Xbox branch :D

Like I said, keep fighting the good fight! :D And keep melting, it's entertaining! :D

The Xbox brand more than recouped the billions lost from the original Xbox with the Xbox 360 platform. Get your head out of your ass. Now, other ventures such as Zune have lost MS money, but not Xbox. And the WP mobile platform.

#164 Posted by Dire_Weasel (16000 posts) -

@blackace said:
@Dire_Weasel said:

@blackace said:

I said LAUNCH TITLES you moron. All those games were in fact EXCLUSIVE at launch. Ryse & DR3 for the PC aren't out yet, are they? So they are still exclusive right now. Imfamous SS wasn't a launch title. Seriously, learn how to fu%&#@ read before you make an idiotic reply.

Ah, and right on schedule, there's the blackace meltdown. This forum never fails to entertain.

Yes, you cows are entertaining us. Keep it going. The meltdowns and tears are refreshing.

Sorry, chief, you might want to re-read my contributions to the thread.

Notice the distinct lack of all-caps and insults in my posts? There you go.

#165 Edited by PraetorianMan (1327 posts) -

@-RocBoys9489- said:

@spitfire-six said:

Carizard Im not on my home computer so I will list my reasons and points of contention. I will do more research when I get home to back this up with sources as well.

Sony bought its way into the industry by buying small studios thus acquiring titles.

EA, ACTIVISION, UB, SQUARE: These companies started buying smaller studios to increase their profits.

Microsoft joined the industry late the continued expansion of sony, and the studios prevente Microsoft from purchasing successful studios.

more to follow... lecture starting.

THANK YOU. So many dumb, ignorant 12 year olds on this forum that don't know the history of gaming. Sony is no saint company, they've bought third party exclusives for yeeeeeearssss! MGS? FF? Resistance anybody?! Just to name a few off top of my head.

You completely missed the point of the article.

Yes, buying out properties makes sense and is a good practice for when you're first entering the market.

The problem here is that the Xbox brand is 14 years old and they're *STILL* acting like a new company. The Xbox brand is almost 14 years old and they have almost *nothing* to show for it. Nintendo developed their own portfolio by the 14 year mark. Sony bought a bunch of stuff and developed their own portfolio by the 14 year mark. Microsoft has hardly developed anything of their own, and now they own almost nothing of particular, lasting value and now its biting them in the ass.

PS4 isn't selling well because Sony is a rich company, Sony as a whole is doing terribly. PS4 is selling well because the Xbox One is an empty shell and Microsoft has practically nothing to offer.

#166 Posted by farrell2k (5857 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@blackace said:

Yes, Billions and Billions in profits every year means absolutely nothing. lol!! Keep fighting the good fight indeed. Yes, you are having a meltdown, but like most Cows, don't know it.

Billions in profit? From the Xbox? Rofl. More like billions in loss.

They have yet to make any sort of balance with the brand, much less profit.

I also like how you deferred to "money", which everyone knows has shit all to do with the Xbox branch :D

Like I said, keep fighting the good fight! :D And keep melting, it's entertaining! :D

The Xbox brand more than recouped the billions lost from the original Xbox with the Xbox 360 platform. Get your head out of your ass. Now, other ventures such as Zune have lost MS money, but not Xbox. And the WP mobile platform.

Dumb ass,

http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years

"via Microsoft's own financial numbers. that the Xbox division has lost close to $3 billion in the last 10 fiscal years.".

There is no excuse for ignorance.

#167 Posted by -RocBoys9489- (6222 posts) -

@-RocBoys9489- said:

THANK YOU. So many dumb, ignorant 12 year olds on this forum that don't know the history of gaming. Sony is no saint company, they've bought third party exclusives for yeeeeeearssss! MGS? FF? Resistance anybody?! Just to name a few off top of my head.

FF went to Playstation because they used CDs which allowed Squaresoft to put their FMV in FFVII whereas the N64 cartridges were very limiting. Please know what the fuck you are talking about before calling people names. I've never seen a poster go from 0 to irrelevant as fast as you.

FF didn't go multiplatform until well after that moron. . And thanks for ignoring the many other games they've bought exclusivity from via 3rd party. You centered your entire rebuttal on only FF. Take off your Sony goggles and get their dick out of your mouth.

#168 Posted by blackace (20562 posts) -

@spitfire-six said:

Carizard Im not on my home computer so I will list my reasons and points of contention. I will do more research when I get home to back this up with sources as well.

Sony bought its way into the industry by buying small studios thus acquiring titles.

EA, ACTIVISION, UB, SQUARE: These companies started buying smaller studios to increase their profits.

Microsoft joined the industry late the continued expansion of sony, and the studios prevente Microsoft from purchasing successful studios.

more to follow... lecture starting.

THANK YOU. So many dumb, ignorant 12 year olds on this forum that don't know the history of gaming. Sony is no saint company, they've bought third party exclusives for yeeeeeearssss! MGS? FF? Resistance anybody?! Just to name a few off top of my head.

Tekken, Ace Combat, Ridge Racer, Devil May Cry, Katimara Damacy, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Silent Hill, Resistence, Ratchet & Clank, Spyro The Dragon, etc..etc.. No one complained about this at all. Microsoft gets TR exclusive. All hell breaks out. Meltdowns everywhere. lmao!! Hypocrites.

#169 Posted by -RocBoys9489- (6222 posts) -

@-RocBoys9489- said:

@Desmonic said:

@blackace said:

Yes, Billions and Billions in profits every year means absolutely nothing. lol!! Keep fighting the good fight indeed. Yes, you are having a meltdown, but like most Cows, don't know it.

Billions in profit? From the Xbox? Rofl. More like billions in loss.

They have yet to make any sort of balance with the brand, much less profit.

I also like how you deferred to "money", which everyone knows has shit all to do with the Xbox branch :D

Like I said, keep fighting the good fight! :D And keep melting, it's entertaining! :D

The Xbox brand more than recouped the billions lost from the original Xbox with the Xbox 360 platform. Get your head out of your ass. Now, other ventures such as Zune have lost MS money, but not Xbox. And the WP mobile platform.

Dumb ass,

http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years

"via Microsoft's own financial numbers. that the Xbox division has lost close to $3 billion in the last 10 fiscal years.".

There is no excuse for ignorance.

SMH, those numbers are not for only Xbox. That's their entire Entertainment and Devices division. I had a feeling you were going to use those numbers.

#170 Posted by Shewgenja (8779 posts) -

FF didn't go multiplatform until well after that moron. . And thanks for ignoring the many other games they've bought exclusivity from via 3rd party. You centered your entire rebuttal on only FF. Take off your Sony goggles and get their dick out of your mouth.

Looks like I touched a nerve. Take deep breaths and count to 10.

#171 Posted by blackace (20562 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@blackace said:

Yes, Billions and Billions in profits every year means absolutely nothing. lol!! Keep fighting the good fight indeed. Yes, you are having a meltdown, but like most Cows, don't know it.

Billions in profit? From the Xbox? Rofl. More like billions in loss.

They have yet to make any sort of balance with the brand, much less profit.

I also like how you deferred to "money", which everyone knows has shit all to do with the Xbox branch :D

Like I said, keep fighting the good fight! :D And keep melting, it's entertaining! :D

The Xbox brand more than recouped the billions lost from the original Xbox with the Xbox 360 platform. Get your head out of your ass. Now, other ventures such as Zune have lost MS money, but not Xbox. And the WP mobile platform.

He doesn't have his head in his ass. He has his head in Sony's ass. No, he's not going to remove it anytime soon. lol!! They don't have a clue.

#172 Posted by musalala (2191 posts) -

I wholeheartedly agree and the funny thing is MS is the one company with enough money to actually create new IP's from scratch, also just a heads up you are missing Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey two really amazing JRPG's

edit scratch Blue dragon its also on DS

#173 Edited by Shewgenja (8779 posts) -

@blackace said:

@-RocBoys9489- said:

@spitfire-six said:

Carizard Im not on my home computer so I will list my reasons and points of contention. I will do more research when I get home to back this up with sources as well.

Sony bought its way into the industry by buying small studios thus acquiring titles.

EA, ACTIVISION, UB, SQUARE: These companies started buying smaller studios to increase their profits.

Microsoft joined the industry late the continued expansion of sony, and the studios prevente Microsoft from purchasing successful studios.

more to follow... lecture starting.

THANK YOU. So many dumb, ignorant 12 year olds on this forum that don't know the history of gaming. Sony is no saint company, they've bought third party exclusives for yeeeeeearssss! MGS? FF? Resistance anybody?! Just to name a few off top of my head.

Tekken, Ace Combat, Ridge Racer, Devil May Cry, Katimara Damacy, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Silent Hill, Resistence, Ratchet & Clank, Spyro The Dragon, etc..etc.. No one complained about this at all. Microsoft gets TR exclusive. All hell breaks out. Meltdowns everywhere. lmao!! Hypocrites.

Do you guys, like, have ANY proof of Sony moneyhatting those titles? I mean, we are talking about consoles that had 100Million+ installed userbases here.

Comparing it to a console that has, tentatively, 5 million in comparison is... well.. Disingenuous at first glance.

#174 Posted by farrell2k (5857 posts) -

@farrell2k said:

@-RocBoys9489- said:

@Desmonic said:

@blackace said:

Yes, Billions and Billions in profits every year means absolutely nothing. lol!! Keep fighting the good fight indeed. Yes, you are having a meltdown, but like most Cows, don't know it.

Billions in profit? From the Xbox? Rofl. More like billions in loss.

They have yet to make any sort of balance with the brand, much less profit.

I also like how you deferred to "money", which everyone knows has shit all to do with the Xbox branch :D

Like I said, keep fighting the good fight! :D And keep melting, it's entertaining! :D

The Xbox brand more than recouped the billions lost from the original Xbox with the Xbox 360 platform. Get your head out of your ass. Now, other ventures such as Zune have lost MS money, but not Xbox. And the WP mobile platform.

Dumb ass,

http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years

"via Microsoft's own financial numbers. that the Xbox division has lost close to $3 billion in the last 10 fiscal years.".

There is no excuse for ignorance.

SMH, those numbers are not for only Xbox. That's their entire Entertainment and Devices division. I had a feeling you were going to use those numbers.

I had a feeling you would go into damage control mode and say that. Just keep putting your fingers in your ears and repeating "I can't hear you"...

#175 Posted by -RocBoys9489- (6222 posts) -

This place will never change, lol. Cowspot, where N4G Sony castoffs go to post! And with the new ToA, this forum has really hit rock f**king bottom. So sad to see the ignorance and bias that has spread.

#176 Posted by -RocBoys9489- (6222 posts) -

This place will never change, lol. Cowspot, where N4G Sony castoffs go to post! And with the new ToA, this forum has really hit rock f**king bottom. So sad to see the ignorance and bias that has spread.

@-RocBoys9489- said:
@farrell2k said:

@-RocBoys9489- said:

@Desmonic said:

@blackace said:

Yes, Billions and Billions in profits every year means absolutely nothing. lol!! Keep fighting the good fight indeed. Yes, you are having a meltdown, but like most Cows, don't know it.

Billions in profit? From the Xbox? Rofl. More like billions in loss.

They have yet to make any sort of balance with the brand, much less profit.

I also like how you deferred to "money", which everyone knows has shit all to do with the Xbox branch :D

Like I said, keep fighting the good fight! :D And keep melting, it's entertaining! :D

The Xbox brand more than recouped the billions lost from the original Xbox with the Xbox 360 platform. Get your head out of your ass. Now, other ventures such as Zune have lost MS money, but not Xbox. And the WP mobile platform.

Dumb ass,

http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years

"via Microsoft's own financial numbers. that the Xbox division has lost close to $3 billion in the last 10 fiscal years.".

There is no excuse for ignorance.

SMH, those numbers are not for only Xbox. That's their entire Entertainment and Devices division. I had a feeling you were going to use those numbers.

I had a feeling you would go into damage control mode and say that. Just keep putting your fingers in your ears and repeating "I can't hear you"...

Another immature, senseless, unintelligent rebuttal. Thanks!

#177 Posted by Desmonic (13745 posts) -

Oh the glorious meltdown and irony!

This thread is too good! XD

#178 Posted by Silverbond (16049 posts) -

Someone aware me on the PS4's AAAEs

#179 Posted by blackace (20562 posts) -

@-RocBoys9489- said:

@Desmonic said:

@blackace said:

Yes, Billions and Billions in profits every year means absolutely nothing. lol!! Keep fighting the good fight indeed. Yes, you are having a meltdown, but like most Cows, don't know it.

Billions in profit? From the Xbox? Rofl. More like billions in loss.

They have yet to make any sort of balance with the brand, much less profit.

I also like how you deferred to "money", which everyone knows has shit all to do with the Xbox branch :D

Like I said, keep fighting the good fight! :D And keep melting, it's entertaining! :D

The Xbox brand more than recouped the billions lost from the original Xbox with the Xbox 360 platform. Get your head out of your ass. Now, other ventures such as Zune have lost MS money, but not Xbox. And the WP mobile platform.

Dumb ass,

http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years

"via Microsoft's own financial numbers. that the Xbox division has lost close to $3 billion in the last 10 fiscal years.".

There is no excuse for ignorance.

Sony lost $10 billion in 6 years with the Playstation brand. Microsoft had lost over $5 billion with the original Xbox. As you can clearly see, they've recoup a lot of those loses. Sony has been losing billions for the last 6 years and have been selling buildings, stocks and internal divisions just to keep loses down. They've laid off over 8000+ employees as well. The Xbox 360 has been profitting for over the last 5 years. The XBox loses M$ currently have are mostly from R&D & Manufacturing of the XB1 which started in 2011 & 2012. .

http://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2014/07/28/sony-goes-back-to-future-with-playstation-network/

#180 Posted by Heirren (16844 posts) -

When are people going to realize that Microsoft and Sony both have the same strategy? They are succumbing to 3rd party demands, and attempting to grab every last dollar they can from the consumer. There's really no difference.

#181 Posted by Desmonic (13745 posts) -

@blackace said:

He doesn't have his head in his ass. He has his head in Sony's ass. No, he's not going to remove it anytime soon. lol!! They don't have a clue.

This, coming from a "manticore" who acts like a full blown lemming is priceless! Oh the irony! XD

But again, like I said the other dude. Have numbers? Proof of the contrary? Show them. Not hard :D

This place will never change, lol. Cowspot, where N4G Sony castoffs go to post! And with the new ToA, this forum has really hit rock f**king bottom. So sad to see the ignorance and bias that has spread.

@farrell2k said:

@-RocBoys9489- said:
@farrell2k said:

@-RocBoys9489- said:

The Xbox brand more than recouped the billions lost from the original Xbox with the Xbox 360 platform. Get your head out of your ass. Now, other ventures such as Zune have lost MS money, but not Xbox. And the WP mobile platform.

Dumb ass,

http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsofts-xbox-division-has-lost-nearly-3-billion-in-10-years

"via Microsoft's own financial numbers. that the Xbox division has lost close to $3 billion in the last 10 fiscal years.".

There is no excuse for ignorance.

SMH, those numbers are not for only Xbox. That's their entire Entertainment and Devices division. I had a feeling you were going to use those numbers.

I had a feeling you would go into damage control mode and say that. Just keep putting your fingers in your ears and repeating "I can't hear you"...

Another immature, senseless, unintelligent rebuttal. Thanks!

Dude. He presented numbers. Which specifically refer ONLY to Xbox and MS Gaming Division. If you have any source which shows the Xbox brand is actually profitable, then go for it! :)

Otherwise, his numbers >>> your word.

---

Also, lol @ that last reply.

>insults users

>gets mad when insulted

Legit as hell bro! :D

#182 Edited by -RocBoys9489- (6222 posts) -

My rebuttals have an insult AND content to the post. The others do not, just a sad insult with no content to back it up after I own you guys. Here's a link from that site btw, I'm sure you WON'T like it.

http://www.neowin.net/news/no-microsoft-hasnt-lost-400-million-on-xbox-one

"In the end, though, how much does this actually matter to gamers? Not a whole lot. The only reason this is even a discussion is because some websites are trying to increase their traffic by writing articles that elicit reactions from fans of one console or another. Those conversations would probably be more worthwhile if they included correct information, however."

MS isn't even selling the Xbox One at a loss, unlike Sony with PS4. Hell, Sony never even made a profit with the PS3. Not that I care, but I'm sure you guys will wack off to these facts.

edit: Sony does make a profit of about $15 on PS4, while MS makes about $80 on X1. My mistake.

#183 Edited by blackace (20562 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@blackace said:

He doesn't have his head in his ass. He has his head in Sony's ass. No, he's not going to remove it anytime soon. lol!! They don't have a clue.

This, coming from a "manticore" who acts like a full blown lemming is priceless! Oh the irony! XD

But again, like I said the other dude. Have numbers? Proof of the contrary? Show them. Not hard :D

Not a lemming. I'm a Cow hater. When cows bash the PC and Wii U, I defend those platforms too. The problem is Cow bash XB1/Microsoft like 90% of the time. So my defense of it is close to 90% of the time. lol!! When hermits say say PC are graphically superior to the PS4 and Cow's argue it, I defend the PC. It is graphically superior, because it's not a stagnant platform. As for the numbers, the Xbox was profitting up until R&D began on the XB1. They spent some billions on that. That's the main reason the XBox is showing some losses. Sony had billions in loses for the PS3 and then they spent billions more doing R&D for the PS4. That's why they are $10 billion in the hole over the last 6 years.

#184 Posted by Desmonic (13745 posts) -

My rebuttals have an insult AND content to the post. The others do not, just a sad insult with no content to back it up after I own you guys. Here's a link from that site btw, I'm sure you WON'T like it.

http://www.neowin.net/news/no-microsoft-hasnt-lost-400-million-on-xbox-one

Those numbers didn't refer to profit or loss, solely gross revenue and cost of revenue, and more specifically changes vs the previous year. Of course it doesn't mean the Xbox lost 400 million, we'd need the percentages and costs (which they didn't share) to realize how good/bad this numbers are (again, vs the previous year only).

However, that does not in anyway dispute his link, specifically the numbers presented in it :D

#185 Edited by Desmonic (13745 posts) -

@blackace said:

@Desmonic said:

@blackace said:

He doesn't have his head in his ass. He has his head in Sony's ass. No, he's not going to remove it anytime soon. lol!! They don't have a clue.

This, coming from a "manticore" who acts like a full blown lemming is priceless! Oh the irony! XD

But again, like I said the other dude. Have numbers? Proof of the contrary? Show them. Not hard :D

Not a lemming. I'm a Cow hater. When cows bash the PC and Wii U, I defend those platforms too. The problem is Cow bash XB1/Microsoft like 90% of the time. So my defense of it is close to 90% of the time. lol!! When hermits say say PC are graphically superior to the PS4 and Cow's argue it, I defend the PC. It is graphically superior, because it's not a stagnant platform. As for the numbers, the Xbox was profitting up until R&D began on the XB1. They spent some billions on that. That's the main reason the XBox is showing some losses. Sony had billions in loses for the PS3 and then they spent billions more doing R&D for the PS4. That's why they are $10 billion in the hole over the last 6 years.

That's even worse. That is epic level of butthurt. They got you so, so mad you find the need to solely hate them in particular, regardless of motive/reasoning?

Man... that ass must be pretty sore! :D

lol if you truly believe the $10 Billion number foster solely from the PS3.

#186 Posted by -RocBoys9489- (6222 posts) -

Yea, I'm a cow hater myself too. They are the most hypocritical and entitled faction. It's quite hilarious, and they act like every exclusive that comes out on a PS platform is an all time great game, when in reality, the best games are all multiplatforms. Killzone 2 and 3 were some of the worst FPS I have ever played and is the textbook definition of all flash, no substance. Much like Ryse, or so I hear as I've yet to play it. Uncharted 2 was also the most overrated game I've ever played and I was so pissed off after I read all the praise for it on this stupid forum years ago. Sony wishes they could emulate the success and community of XBL with Halo and Gears, but they just can't do it.

#187 Edited by Desmonic (13745 posts) -

@-RocBoys9489- said:

Yea, I'm a cow hater myself too. They are the most hypocritical and entitled faction. It's quite hilarious, and they act like every exclusive that comes out on a PS platform is an all time great game, when in reality, the best games are all multiplatforms. Killzone 2 and 3 were some of the worst FPS I have ever played and is the textbook definition of all flash, no substance. Much like Ryse, or so I hear as I've yet to play it. Uncharted 2 was also the most overrated game I've ever played and I was so pissed off after I read all the praise for it on this stupid forum years ago. Sony wishes they could emulate the success and community of XBL with Halo and Gears, but they just can't do it.

Dude. Sweet Jebus XD

#188 Posted by PraetorianMan (1327 posts) -

Another drawback to MS's strategy; we've gotten to the point now where whenever MS says that they have an exclusive franchise that isn't Halo/Gears/Forza, people automatically assume that they really mean its a timed exclusive and eventually they'll get it on a different console or PC anyway.

Most of the time, this automatic assumption actually does pay off. Not a good position to be in when every time you announce you have an exclusive, very few people actually take you seriously. Not to imply that Sony doesn't also pull crap with timed exclusive, but it isn't as reliable as predictable as it is with MS.

#189 Edited by -RocBoys9489- (6222 posts) -

And seriously guys, exclusives are great an all, but 90% of all games are multiplatform and include pretty much all the best franchises. My favorite racing game? Nope, not Forza, GRID on PC. My favorite WPPG? Skyrim on PC. Favorite shooter right now? Borderlands 2 on PC. The only reason I got the damn Xbox One is for the Halo Collection and Halo 5, what the hell is there on PS4 that I can't already play on PC or Xbox One? Oh, another Killzone game?...:/ No thanks. Drive Club? Doesn't look like it's doing anything to seperate itself from GRID or even Forza...:/

#190 Posted by Promised_Trini (3618 posts) -

@kuu2 said:

Laughable post TC.

If anyone should get out of the console biz its your boys at Nintendo.

Just like Sony should get out of the handheld biz.

MSoft has done just fine and so far this gen they are doing fine considering the mistakes they made early on.

Explain why Nintendo should leave.Cause the last time I checked Nintendo has done lot's for gaming.You seem to forget Sony and Nintendo have been in the console business longer than your precious Microsoft. If it wasn't for those two you would not have a Xbox to sleep with.

#191 Posted by -RocBoys9489- (6222 posts) -

And seriously guys, exclusives are great an all, but 90% of all games are multiplatform and include pretty much all the best franchises. My favorite racing game? Nope, not Forza, GRID on PC. My favorite WPPG? Skyrim on PC. Favorite shooter right now? Borderlands 2 on PC. The only reason I got the damn Xbox One is for the Halo Collection and Halo 5, what the hell is there on PS4 that I can't already play on PC or Xbox One? Oh, another Killzone game?...:/

@kuu2 said:

Laughable post TC.

If anyone should get out of the console biz its your boys at Nintendo.

Just like Sony should get out of the handheld biz.

MSoft has done just fine and so far this gen they are doing fine considering the mistakes they made early on.

Explain why Nintendo should leave.Cause the last time I checked Nintendo has done lot's for gaming.You seem to forget Sony and Nintendo have been in the console business longer than your precious Microsoft. If it wasn't for those two you would not have a Xbox to sleep with.

Nintendo has made more profit during their years in gaming than Microsoft and Sony COMBINED. They're not going anywhere.

#192 Posted by Silverbond (16049 posts) -
#193 Posted by Shewgenja (8779 posts) -

@blackace said:

@-RocBoys9489- said:

@spitfire-six said:

Carizard Im not on my home computer so I will list my reasons and points of contention. I will do more research when I get home to back this up with sources as well.

Sony bought its way into the industry by buying small studios thus acquiring titles.

EA, ACTIVISION, UB, SQUARE: These companies started buying smaller studios to increase their profits.

Microsoft joined the industry late the continued expansion of sony, and the studios prevente Microsoft from purchasing successful studios.

more to follow... lecture starting.

THANK YOU. So many dumb, ignorant 12 year olds on this forum that don't know the history of gaming. Sony is no saint company, they've bought third party exclusives for yeeeeeearssss! MGS? FF? Resistance anybody?! Just to name a few off top of my head.

Tekken, Ace Combat, Ridge Racer, Devil May Cry, Katimara Damacy, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Silent Hill, Resistence, Ratchet & Clank, Spyro The Dragon, etc..etc.. No one complained about this at all. Microsoft gets TR exclusive. All hell breaks out. Meltdowns everywhere. lmao!! Hypocrites.

Do you guys, like, have ANY proof of Sony moneyhatting those titles? I mean, we are talking about consoles that had 100Million+ installed userbases here.

Comparing it to a console that has, tentatively, 5 million in comparison is... well.. Disingenuous at first glance.

Bump. Still waiting.

#194 Posted by Kjranu (965 posts) -

@spitfire-six said:

Carizard Im not on my home computer so I will list my reasons and points of contention. I will do more research when I get home to back this up with sources as well.

Sony bought its way into the industry by buying small studios thus acquiring titles.

EA, ACTIVISION, UB, SQUARE: These companies started buying smaller studios to increase their profits.

Microsoft joined the industry late the continued expansion of sony, and the studios prevente Microsoft from purchasing successful studios.

more to follow... lecture starting.

THANK YOU. So many dumb, ignorant 12 year olds on this forum that don't know the history of gaming. Sony is no saint company, they've bought third party exclusives for yeeeeeearssss! MGS? FF? Resistance anybody?! Just to name a few off top of my head.

Sony certainly isn't perfect but they're closest thing we've got. They're basically a better and improved version of Sega and Nintendo combined. Microsoft? They're our trojan horse that pretends to be into video games but really isn't. It's going to take a major culture shift at Microsoft which we're currently seeing with Phil Spencer. It's going to take 5-10 years before we start seeing the fruits of his efforts though.

#195 Edited by Promised_Trini (3618 posts) -
#196 Edited by Shewgenja (8779 posts) -

Things will be a lot better for XBox fans if they can admit to themselves that they have an N64 on their hands this gen. Just.. MS needs to bridge that gap with its first party to stay relevant the way the N64 did being the difference.

#197 Posted by Promised_Trini (3618 posts) -

@Promised_Trini said:

@kuu2 said:

Laughable post TC.

If anyone should get out of the console biz its your boys at Nintendo.

Just like Sony should get out of the handheld biz.

MSoft has done just fine and so far this gen they are doing fine considering the mistakes they made early on.

Explain why Nintendo should leave.Cause the last time I checked Nintendo has done lot's for gaming.You seem to forget Sony and Nintendo have been in the console business longer than your precious Microsoft. If it wasn't for those two you would not have a Xbox to sleep with.

Nintendo has made more profit during their years in gaming than Microsoft and Sony COMBINED. They're not going anywhere.

No!!!!!....I want to see what Kuu2 had to say.

#198 Posted by Nike_Air (18326 posts) -

The last year and a half (or so) from Microsft's owned studios -

  • Forza 5 - (Turn 10)
  • Max Curse of the Brotherhood - (Press Play)
  • Kinect Sports Rivals - (Rare)
  • LocoCycle - (Twisted Pixel)

Overall , this is abysmal.

I can see why there are so many Lemming meltdowns.

#199 Posted by blackace (20562 posts) -

@blackace said:

@-RocBoys9489- said:

@spitfire-six said:

Carizard Im not on my home computer so I will list my reasons and points of contention. I will do more research when I get home to back this up with sources as well.

Sony bought its way into the industry by buying small studios thus acquiring titles.

EA, ACTIVISION, UB, SQUARE: These companies started buying smaller studios to increase their profits.

Microsoft joined the industry late the continued expansion of sony, and the studios prevente Microsoft from purchasing successful studios.

more to follow... lecture starting.

THANK YOU. So many dumb, ignorant 12 year olds on this forum that don't know the history of gaming. Sony is no saint company, they've bought third party exclusives for yeeeeeearssss! MGS? FF? Resistance anybody?! Just to name a few off top of my head.

Tekken, Ace Combat, Ridge Racer, Devil May Cry, Katimara Damacy, Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Silent Hill, Resistence, Ratchet & Clank, Spyro The Dragon, etc..etc.. No one complained about this at all. Microsoft gets TR exclusive. All hell breaks out. Meltdowns everywhere. lmao!! Hypocrites.

Do you guys, like, have ANY proof of Sony moneyhatting those titles? I mean, we are talking about consoles that had 100Million+ installed userbases here.

Comparing it to a console that has, tentatively, 5 million in comparison is... well.. Disingenuous at first glance.

XBox 360 has over 84 million. (LMAO @ 5 million. Even the original XBox sold over 5 million.) The Wii has over 100 million installed user base as well. Let me know when you find your brain.

#200 Posted by ccagracing (795 posts) -

@Kjranu: All three companies are the same, out to make money. You paint Sony as closest thing to perfect, why, what have they done that's any different than the other two?

Sony charge for online, buy exclusive dlc, buy timed exclusives (first to console) charging to rent back catalog titles (ps now) charge for Music on PS4 (music unlimited)

They could almost be Microsoft as they do all that as well, bar the renting of back catalog, but that will arrive at some point using azure for platform/infrastructure as a service to handle it. These companies are only here to make money from us all.