Michael Pachter Tells Gamers, "F*** You!"

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#1 Posted by TheEroica (13061 posts) -

This months Evolve Issue of Game Informer Magazine contains a spectacular read with much maligned Wedbush Security's analyst, Michael Pachter... When asked...

"Could you give our readers an explanation of what you do as an analyst, how you approach your job and what you base your opinions on"

Pachter responded with...

"I think the most important thing for them to understand isbeing a consumer is largely irrelevant. These guys who spout off [say], "He doesnt know anything about games, I finished Halo in six hours." I'm like. "FUCK YOU,' who cares if you can play games, I'm just sayin, "Big Fuckin Deal?" Whats the prerequisite of playing Call of Duty? $60. There are no barriers of entry to play games. So, you're a gamer, who cares? Nobody listens to me because I'm better at call of duty or battlefield than the other analysts. That's irrelevant. I don't think it matters if you play them at all. What matter is that I understand the business so I help investors..."

All hail the king ladies and gentleman.... Pachter just dropped the mic.

#2 Posted by freedomfreak (38250 posts) -

I don't think he's wrong though. Purely based on that comment.

#3 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16479 posts) -

I'm sorry, Michael who?

#4 Posted by CrownKingArthur (3781 posts) -

yeah that's right. pachter has a job to do, and his outputs are relevant for investors, not gamers.

good thread though zakk wylde.

#5 Posted by TheEroica (13061 posts) -

@freedomfreak: Nor do I... I actually just read the entire article and thought, damn this guys a cowboy, love him or hate him. He is absolutely right in that comment.

#6 Posted by uninspiredcup (6934 posts) -

I'm sorry, Michael who?

Someone who makes money by talking shit and pretending to be a friendly uncle. Dupes alot of people.

#7 Posted by CrashNBurn281 (385 posts) -

I would think that the statement is a given, but a lot of people tend to have shortcomings with common sense.

#8 Posted by Animal-Mother (26224 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

I'm sorry, Michael who?

Someone who makes money by talking shit and pretending to be a friendly uncle. Dupes alot of people.

lol have any proof to back that up? Or are you jelly he makes more money in a month than you'll make in a lifetime?

#9 Edited by cfisher2833 (1513 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

I don't think he's wrong though. Purely based on that comment.

I've never once heard anyone criticize the guy because he's not as good at videogames as they are. He's criticized because he has the most asinine opinions imaginable. Literally, almost NOTHING he's ever predicted has ever come true. He's a joke who barely hasn't the slightest grasp on the videogame market. He said the PC market is all but dead. He said Nintendo should stop making consoles (never mind that the vast majority of their profits come from hardware, NOT software), etc etc. Shit there's entire articles detailing all the predictions this guy has gotten wrong (see here and here ).

Pachter is pathetic scum that makes his living by bullshiting on a professional level. All stock analysts, stock brokers, or any other person giving you advice about how to invest in the stock market are scum. Why? BECAUSE NO ONE HAS A FUCKING CLUE WHAT THE MARKET WILL DO!! NONE! NO FUCKING CLUE!!

#10 Posted by uninspiredcup (6934 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

I'm sorry, Michael who?

Someone who makes money by talking shit and pretending to be a friendly uncle. Dupes alot of people.

lol have any proof to back that up? Or are you jelly he makes more money in a month than you'll make in a lifetime?

My friend, I have self respect the most valuable commodity any man can have.

#11 Edited by treedoor (7478 posts) -

I've always liked Michael Pachter.

I've also always hated the gaming community outside of a few choice waifus and husbandos here and there.

It truly is amazing the level of arrogance, and ignorance, that flies around places like System Wars and other gaming communities. Like, the amount of hatred some companies get, or the level of idiocy people apply to certain discussions about where gaming should head, or why it's in the toilet now, or whatever.

Pachter isn't always correct, but at least he brings discussions to light, and tries to explain his viewpoint with some semblance of logic. It's not just "COCK A DOODIE: BLACK OPZ 7 SHOULD DIE CUZ FUDGE CRAPTIVISION~!!!!1!!!!111!1!!"

#12 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5899 posts) -

The guy just seems like he wants to create a big splash and make a name for himself. He is right gamers don't need him, but we always flock to his bullshit, only to find it was wrong.

#13 Edited by uninspiredcup (6934 posts) -

@treedoor said:
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Pachter isn't always correct, but at least he brings discussions to light, and tries to explain his viewpoint with some semblance of logic. It's not just "COCK A DOODIE: BLACK OPZ 7 SHOULD DIE CUZ FUDGE CRAPTIVISION~!!!!1!!!!111!1!!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8R4BAQf7is

#14 Posted by cfisher2833 (1513 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

I'm sorry, Michael who?

Someone who makes money by talking shit and pretending to be a friendly uncle. Dupes alot of people.

lol have any proof to back that up? Or are you jelly he makes more money in a month than you'll make in a lifetime?

I would feel so fucking horrible about myself if I was working in his position, that I quite honestly would consider killing myself. And I am not joking. Bullshiting people out of their money is something only disgusting pieces of shit feel comfortable doing. If you think he has some great job, then honestly, I feel bad for you.

#15 Edited by Zassimick (6151 posts) -

Well he's not wrong. I know games but not the business. I can pretend I know the business, critiquing Microsoft and their focus on Kinect or lambasting Nintendo with hate-speech because of their recent troubles, but I don't have much of an idea what is going on with those companies at the corporate level and why they choose to do the things they do. I just play the games they make available to me.

#16 Edited by TrappedInABox91 (461 posts) -

That asshole is so stupid. I've heard them say some of the worst advice/opinions other companies should be doing.

#17 Posted by trugs26 (5120 posts) -

The thing is, he doesn't really know what he's talking about on the business end either.

#18 Posted by ConanTheStoner (4463 posts) -

Yeah, I'd agree with him on that. If that kind of shit actually happens.

Thing is, when I see people laughing at Pachters predictions, not once have I seen someone denounce him because of a lack of gaming skill or experience. So I'm really not sure what that's all about.

Usually when people are laughing at Pachter it's because his predictions are so far off base and it seems like he in fact doesn't understand the business.

Now obviously he does to some extent or he wouldn't continue to have a job. But his predictions that are made public are often times so disconnected from reality that it's pretty easy to see why he catches so much flak from gamers.

#19 Posted by Devil-Itachi (4359 posts) -

What? People actually say stuff like that about Pachter? Thought people only made fun of how inaccurate he is.

#20 Posted by KHAndAnime (13165 posts) -

The problem is with Pachter is that he doesn't realize many gamers know the business better than an analyst like himself. He wouldn't be able to differentiate an upcoming flop that is hyped purely by advertising between an upcoming gem that is being spread purely by word of mouth - because he doesn't play many games and knows what's actually unique, special, or innovative. Some of the biggest game successes are the ones that aren't planned. Many gamers and myself, for example, knew DayZ would be a giant commercial success, but Pachter would've had absolutely no idea until way after the fact.

#21 Edited by CrownKingArthur (3781 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

I don't think he's wrong though. Purely based on that comment.

I've never once heard anyone criticize the guy because he's not as good at videogames as they are. He's criticized because he has the most asinine opinions imaginable. Literally, almost NOTHING he's ever predicted has ever come true. He's a joke who barely hasn't the slightest grasp on the videogame market. He said the PC market is all but dead. He said Nintendo should stop making consoles (never mind that the vast majority of their profits come from hardware, NOT software), etc etc. Shit there's entire articles detailing all the predictions this guy has gotten wrong (see here and here ).

Pachter is pathetic scum that makes his living by bullshiting on a professional level. All stock analysts, stock brokers, or any other person giving you advice about how to invest in the stock market are scum. Why? BECAUSE NO ONE HAS A FUCKING CLUE WHAT THE MARKET WILL DO!! NONE! NO FUCKING CLUE!!

actually, i think i'm going to invest in a keyboard manufacturer. it seems to me people get angry on the internet and they might break their keyboards.

#22 Posted by freedomfreak (38250 posts) -

I've never once heard anyone criticize the guy because he's not as good at videogames as they are.

Wrong. He does get criticized for it.

Hell, people were always on his case back in the day, calling him a casual, because he liked playing Wii with his family.

#23 Edited by sailor232 (4266 posts) -

@Animal-Mother said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

I'm sorry, Michael who?

Someone who makes money by talking shit and pretending to be a friendly uncle. Dupes alot of people.

lol have any proof to back that up? Or are you jelly he makes more money in a month than you'll make in a lifetime?

I would feel so fucking horrible about myself if I was working in his position, that I quite honestly would consider killing myself. And I am not joking. Bullshiting people out of their money is something only disgusting pieces of shit feel comfortable doing. If you think he has some great job, then honestly, I feel bad for you.

You got this spot on cfisher2833. Well done, what I've wanted to say about Patcher many times.

#24 Posted by cainetao11 (15910 posts) -

I agree with him. He doesn't need to play games to guide investors. If his industry of interest was pharmaceutical, I doubt he'd be trying every drug on the shelf.

#25 Posted by cainetao11 (15910 posts) -

@cfisher2833: I feel bad for you. To live life just generalizing people is such a pathetic defense mechanism. I was series 7 registered from 93-96 and not everyone in that field is a shyster.

#26 Posted by PSdual_wielder (10643 posts) -

So much negativity here. Must be fun being a vocal hater of a public figure.

#27 Posted by Animal-Mother (26224 posts) -

@Animal-Mother said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

I'm sorry, Michael who?

Someone who makes money by talking shit and pretending to be a friendly uncle. Dupes alot of people.

lol have any proof to back that up? Or are you jelly he makes more money in a month than you'll make in a lifetime?

I would feel so fucking horrible about myself if I was working in his position, that I quite honestly would consider killing myself. And I am not joking. Bullshiting people out of their money is something only disgusting pieces of shit feel comfortable doing. If you think he has some great job, then honestly, I feel bad for you.

Again somebody with no proof. And trust me you'll be shocked to find out if he is bullshitting people out of money and are worried about him the most. You're shit out of luck because there are far worse people out there than michael pachter.

#28 Posted by kuu2 (6814 posts) -

The Cows hero a few weeks ago when he was making predictions about the PS4 stomping on The One. Hahahahahah.......... Patcher is Patcher and will always be a tool in my eyes no matter what he says.

#29 Posted by Crossel777 (5593 posts) -

Eh I wouldn't say it's completely irrelevant to know about games to back up your business guess work.

"Nobody listens to me because I'm better at call of duty or battlefield than the other analysts. "

Well it's not like anybody listens to you regardless Pachter. You idiot.

#30 Posted by TheEroica (13061 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

I don't think he's wrong though. Purely based on that comment.

I've never once heard anyone criticize the guy because he's not as good at videogames as they are. He's criticized because he has the most asinine opinions imaginable. Literally, almost NOTHING he's ever predicted has ever come true. He's a joke who barely hasn't the slightest grasp on the videogame market. He said the PC market is all but dead. He said Nintendo should stop making consoles (never mind that the vast majority of their profits come from hardware, NOT software), etc etc. Shit there's entire articles detailing all the predictions this guy has gotten wrong (see here and here ).

Pachter is pathetic scum that makes his living by bullshiting on a professional level. All stock analysts, stock brokers, or any other person giving you advice about how to invest in the stock market are scum. Why? BECAUSE NO ONE HAS A FUCKING CLUE WHAT THE MARKET WILL DO!! NONE! NO FUCKING CLUE!!

I've never seen an angrier post in my life...

relax brah... he's trolling you from a magazine.

#31 Posted by blackace (19745 posts) -

I don't listen to Patcher much. I've made better predictions then he has in the last year. Maybe I should become a gaming analyst. Patcher makes so many obvious predictions, that no one would need him to tell us the prediction.

#32 Posted by TheEroica (13061 posts) -

@blackace said:

I don't listen to Patcher much. I've made better predictions then he has in the last year. Maybe I should become a gaming analyst. Patcher makes so many obvious predictions, that no one would need him to tell us the prediction.

whats funny is he goes on to say that EA and Activision are always safe bets and 2K isnt because they never give a clear path of what they'll release....

#33 Posted by mems_1224 (45790 posts) -

Well for once he's not wrong. lol

#34 Posted by jhcho2 (4366 posts) -

He's right. BUT.....he's not that good at the business side of things either. The problem is that to understand the business side of things, you also have to be part of the consumer group. Business is largely related to consumer perception, but if he has never bought or played a game in his life, how can he possibly see the future prospect of things?

That's like being a stock analyst but never buying a single stock in your life. Surely you can read up articles about how well company's are doing, but how can you gauge the market if you've never bought one before?

#35 Edited by wis3boi (30904 posts) -

I may or may not share his sentiments

#36 Edited by jg4xchamp (46679 posts) -

Michael Pachter THE GOAT

#37 Posted by Sushiglutton (5173 posts) -

I understand the business

No you don't Pachter

#38 Edited by Heil68 (42691 posts) -

Well he seems to stay employed so somebody thinks he knows what he's doing.

#39 Edited by Bigboi500 (28804 posts) -

He's a business man, not a gamer. I think we all knew that much.

#40 Posted by ninjapirate2000 (2934 posts) -

I've met Pachter he's a very smart guy, he's just not a gamer.

#41 Posted by lamprey263 (22450 posts) -

He's not saying "fuck you" to gamers, he's saying it to his critics that constantly rip on him.

#42 Posted by TheEroica (13061 posts) -

@ninjapirate2000: yeeah, but isn't that one in the same? Obviously, not all gamers.

#43 Edited by Lulu_Lulu (8611 posts) -

Hell Fucking Yeah ! Its about time somebody said it ! What took so freaking long ?

#44 Edited by Seabas989 (9959 posts) -

Pachter could arguably the best troll in gaming. SWs trolls could learn a lot from him.

#45 Posted by whiskeystrike (12068 posts) -

That's kind of a "no shit" statement. The people that he's talking about are posting in this thread. People who are actively angry with him over whatever and thinking their opinion is well, worth putting out there.

I mean we're all in the same boat here on this forum, making comments on a hobby we love and in the end, none of this is worth much... but to get angry over this stuff? Like damn, the amount of effort to be that emotional...

#46 Posted by Shielder7 (4698 posts) -

Oh well Gamers have been telling Pachter F*** YOU since 2005, not to mention he's got a track record of being right worse than the Weather Man.

#47 Posted by Samurai_Xavier (4364 posts) -

The problem is with Pachter is that he doesn't realize many gamers know the business better than an analyst like himself.

No way. Pachter definitely knows the business better than 99% of gamers, easily. He is in constant contact with people at all the major publishers, manufacturers and retailers. He is talking to people in the industry all the time, and even constantly challenging their ideas and positions. He has insights no regular gamer could possibly have.

And his predictions are right 90% of the time. It just so happens that when he gets one wrong it makes all the news. When he is right no one talks about it.

#48 Edited by PrincessGomez92 (3239 posts) -

Well, fuck you too then.

#49 Edited by hippiesanta (9733 posts) -

I want a Dad like him

#50 Posted by R4gn4r0k (16116 posts) -

I'm sorry, Michael who?

Michael Pachter, the guy who gets a SW thread everytime he says something stupid.