Marty O'Donnell fired from bungie

#51 Posted by ConanTheStoner (7224 posts) -

@kittennose said:

I would say there are two important facts here:

1) Bungie's main claim to fame is tailoring FPSes for the bro crowd. That is after all why the tea-bag became the official victory dance of bros everywhere with Halo at the helm.

2) Bros don't really need a well orchestrated score to simulate the act of homoerotic violation of corpses. Unce Unce Unce will do just fine.

Seems to me someone just woke up and put one and two together. Seems to me a sweeping score would just make bros feel uncomfortable when they are pretending to rub their groins against the gore and blood filled mess of what used to be a dude's face. They wouldn't want the experience to suddenly become 'gay' now would they?

Outstanding post lol

#52 Posted by cainetao11 (19171 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

Considering his work didn't suck the only response is two different things

A: He did something really shady

B: Bungie are idiots.

Normally I'd say the answer is A, but this is Bungie, so B is actually highly likely. In fact it wouldn't be the underdog, it would be the favorite.

Or, whether we like his work or not, the board may feel they can get music composition, cheaper

#53 Posted by cainetao11 (19171 posts) -

@WilliamRLBaker said:

@killatwill15 said:

I hate how his twitter says "without cause"

maybe his music sucks?

or he got sidelined in favour of paul McCartney?

maybe he was defiant?

or he wasn't meeting deadlines due to not being in the studio enough?

or his music just wasn't fitting the mold of the game, it happens a lot in production.

Bungie can do no wrong, I have no information on the firing at all from Bungie but I do from Marty and he says it was without cause so I'll just saying he did all this stuff wrong and deserved to be fired.

His music sucks? lol he and halo have won awards for the music.

"without cause" means the board gave him no official reason. Obviously they had a reason, but if they don't tell the person being fired, he has the right to say "without cause". I love when people have no idea how corporate business works, dude.

#54 Posted by PurpleMan5000 (7817 posts) -

@lostrib said:

Obviously this means that Destiny will suck

Well, it is an always online multiplayer shooter that is exclusive to consoles, so that seems somewhat likely.

#55 Posted by shawn30 (4367 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

Well according to @shawn30, I guess we can all forget about Destiny now, Real shame, I wanted to play that game. :(

Lol, its likely his work is done on the game, or far enough along that if they bring in a finisher it won't matter. Still though, he's a huge loss as his work has been epic for years. 343 need to grab him now, or some other MS studio like Black Tusk. His Halo them is iconic.

#56 Posted by onewiththegame (4264 posts) -

Halo:CE is one of the best FPS ever I have faith in Bungie

#57 Posted by Heil68 (46722 posts) -

@shawn30 said:

@Heil68 said:

Well according to @shawn30, I guess we can all forget about Destiny now, Real shame, I wanted to play that game. :(

Lol, its likely his work is done on the game, or far enough along that if they bring in a finisher it won't matter. Still though, he's a huge loss as his work has been epic for years. 343 need to grab him now, or some other MS studio like Black Tusk. His Halo them is iconic.

Hmmm...When people leave SONY it seems like their game(s) are all doom and gloom? Nonetheless, I have already canceled my pre-order for Destiny based on your recommendations. ;)

#58 Posted by cainetao11 (19171 posts) -

@killatwill15 said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

My guess is he might have breached NDA somehow, innocuously maybe? "his music sucks"? Please, there's arguably nothing more iconic than Halo music as far as contemporary video games are concerned.

you guys don't get it,

the black album sucked despite metallica rocking 4 albums straight,

808s and heart breaks sucks despite Kanye wests graduation being one of the best albums ever made.

just because an artist had a stellar past,

does not bar them from sniffing their own farts once in a while,

and shitting on the next record.

it happens.

WE don't get what? Your opinion? Nobody is supposed to get another's' opinion as if its some incontrovertible truth you idiot. You thinking the black album sucked doesn't make it something the rest of us have to get. Come back to earth genius. I agree with the other two users, Black album not being Metallica's best, does by no means mean it sucks. Only children think in absolutes like this.

#59 Edited by shawn30 (4367 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

@shawn30 said:

@Heil68 said:

Well according to @shawn30, I guess we can all forget about Destiny now, Real shame, I wanted to play that game. :(

Lol, its likely his work is done on the game, or far enough along that if they bring in a finisher it won't matter. Still though, he's a huge loss as his work has been epic for years. 343 need to grab him now, or some other MS studio like Black Tusk. His Halo them is iconic.

Hmmm...When people leave SONY it seems like their game(s) are all doom and gloom? Nonetheless, I have already canceled my pre-order for Destiny based on your recommendations. ;)

But my friend, at this point with the sheer number of people fleeing Sony's sinking ship you may soon have no games to play at all... except on that awesome One you own ;)

But seriously, he likely finished his work sand no doubt he'll get offers very soon from a number of devs.

#60 Posted by Heil68 (46722 posts) -

@shawn30:

Been a horrible drought of retail exclusives to play since launch on the "One". :(

:D

#61 Posted by santoron (7970 posts) -

It stinks, but it also reinforces two important facts:

1. Almost nobody works their entire career at one company in this industry.

2. Bungie is run by almost an entirely different group of people than the company that was bought by MS 15 years ago (see point one). O'Donell's tenure at Bungie was longer than almost everyone else he worked with and that's a credit to his talent. But nothing lasts forever (see point one again).

#62 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (16021 posts) -

That's what you get for sitting naked in the recording booth.

#63 Edited by Renegade_Fury (17480 posts) -

Sounds like he became too much of a diva for them to handle.

#64 Posted by Boddicker (3034 posts) -

@lostrib said:

Obviously this means that Destiny will suck

It already was.

#65 Posted by edidili (3449 posts) -

Are they trying to cut expenses? It makes sense now that they don't have their rich daddy anymore.

#66 Posted by killatwill15 (855 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@killatwill15 said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

My guess is he might have breached NDA somehow, innocuously maybe? "his music sucks"? Please, there's arguably nothing more iconic than Halo music as far as contemporary video games are concerned.

you guys don't get it,

the black album sucked despite metallica rocking 4 albums straight,

808s and heart breaks sucks despite Kanye wests graduation being one of the best albums ever made.

just because an artist had a stellar past,

does not bar them from sniffing their own farts once in a while,

and shitting on the next record.

it happens.

WE don't get what? Your opinion? Nobody is supposed to get another's' opinion as if its some incontrovertible truth you idiot. You thinking the black album sucked doesn't make it something the rest of us have to get. Come back to earth genius. I agree with the other two users, Black album not being Metallica's best, does by no means mean it sucks. Only children think in absolutes like this.

hmmm, well I didn't say it was the truth, just a hypothesis to o donnells claim he was fired without reasons,

hence maybe. I said they didn't get it because they kept taking stuff out of context, you idiot.

of course the black album sucked, compared to master of puppets,

compared to ride the lightning, or and justice for all and kill em all, it was musical down nesting.

they turned their back on their core fanbase to appeal to a pop audience, and musically they suffered for it.

think of the black album as hitman absolution or bioshock infinite.

those games are not without its fans nor detractors either,

speaking of which, if I have another 2 users to agree with me I can call you a child?

you are pathetic, or would you need a show of approval before you believe it?

#67 Edited by Wasdie (50578 posts) -

Sad to see him go. Just letting him go like that is kind of scummy but it's never that simple. I'm sure there is a good reason to get rid of somebody as big as he was for Bungie.

#68 Posted by killatwill15 (855 posts) -

@Wasdie said:

Sad to see him go. Just letting him go like that is kind of scummy but it's never that simple. I'm sure there is a good reason to get rid of somebody as big as he was for Bungie.

but Paul McCartney is bigger than bungie, so no loss.

#69 Posted by RR360DD (13026 posts) -

Such a stupid move. Marty was some of the best talent at Bungie. I don't know whats going on there, but they seem to be loosing a lot of top talent recently.

Here's hoping 343 reach out to him. Marty back at Halo would be godly.

#70 Posted by Bardock47 (5361 posts) -

Who is in charge of the Board?! Marty is integral part of Bungie; the issue could have been talked through easily! If this is how Bungie is being ran these days, I wonder how the games will fare.

#71 Edited by Spartan070 (16377 posts) -

This is like Tim Burton refusing to work with Danny Elfman anymore...

#72 Posted by Guy_Brohski (485 posts) -

So apparently no one is reading the bottom part of TC's post where a Bungie employee explains at length that Marty O'Donnell was fired for being greedy, and wanting another pay raise after recently receiving one. The board of directors felt that they could find someone else to compose music without haggling for a pay raise every 5 seconds. Now, let's all move on to more exciting news shall we?

#73 Posted by resevl4rlz (3281 posts) -

he signed a contract, where ever bungie is located. its at will state, meaning he can be fired for what ever reason and they can't say why he was fired. mods please lock

#74 Edited by lamprey263 (25272 posts) -

Oh well, maybe 343 will take him.

Such a shame though, I think he did a good job over the years as a composer with the Halo franchise.

#75 Posted by stuff238 (925 posts) -

(•_•) I guess Bungie.....

( •_•)>¬¦-¦ ....could not stay composed!

(¬¦_¦) YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH!

#76 Posted by majadamus (10276 posts) -

@kittennose: your post has me in tears. Lol! Bravo!

#77 Posted by magicalclick (23734 posts) -

I dislike Bungie for firing employee without giving a reason. Fire people, lay off people, etc are typical. But, fire people should at least given reasons.

#78 Posted by cainetao11 (19171 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

@shawn30 said:

@Heil68 said:

Well according to @shawn30, I guess we can all forget about Destiny now, Real shame, I wanted to play that game. :(

Lol, its likely his work is done on the game, or far enough along that if they bring in a finisher it won't matter. Still though, he's a huge loss as his work has been epic for years. 343 need to grab him now, or some other MS studio like Black Tusk. His Halo them is iconic.

Hmmm...When people leave SONY it seems like their game(s) are all doom and gloom? Nonetheless, I have already canceled my pre-order for Destiny based on your recommendations. ;)

Yeah but he didn't leave MS, he left Bungie/Acivision, so no Doom and gloom as there is no fanboy ownage. Don't you love this place, dude?

#79 Posted by cainetao11 (19171 posts) -

@killatwill15 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@killatwill15 said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

My guess is he might have breached NDA somehow, innocuously maybe? "his music sucks"? Please, there's arguably nothing more iconic than Halo music as far as contemporary video games are concerned.

you guys don't get it,

the black album sucked despite metallica rocking 4 albums straight,

808s and heart breaks sucks despite Kanye wests graduation being one of the best albums ever made.

just because an artist had a stellar past,

does not bar them from sniffing their own farts once in a while,

and shitting on the next record.

it happens.

WE don't get what? Your opinion? Nobody is supposed to get another's' opinion as if its some incontrovertible truth you idiot. You thinking the black album sucked doesn't make it something the rest of us have to get. Come back to earth genius. I agree with the other two users, Black album not being Metallica's best, does by no means mean it sucks. Only children think in absolutes like this.

hmmm, well I didn't say it was the truth, just a hypothesis to o donnells claim he was fired without reasons,

hence maybe. I said they didn't get it because they kept taking stuff out of context, you idiot.

of course the black album sucked, compared to master of puppets,

compared to ride the lightning, or and justice for all and kill em all, it was musical down nesting.

they turned their back on their core fanbase to appeal to a pop audience, and musically they suffered for it.

think of the black album as hitman absolution or bioshock infinite.

those games are not without its fans nor detractors either,

speaking of which, if I have another 2 users to agree with me I can call you a child?

you are pathetic, or would you need a show of approval before you believe it?

You're back pedaling. You stated it as such. Its in the chain above. You never said in hypothesis dude. You've called me out as an idiot, what? You cant take a little in return?

#80 Posted by Heil68 (46722 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@Heil68 said:

@shawn30 said:

@Heil68 said:

Well according to @shawn30, I guess we can all forget about Destiny now, Real shame, I wanted to play that game. :(

Lol, its likely his work is done on the game, or far enough along that if they bring in a finisher it won't matter. Still though, he's a huge loss as his work has been epic for years. 343 need to grab him now, or some other MS studio like Black Tusk. His Halo them is iconic.

Hmmm...When people leave SONY it seems like their game(s) are all doom and gloom? Nonetheless, I have already canceled my pre-order for Destiny based on your recommendations. ;)

Yeah but he didn't leave MS, he left Bungie/Acivision, so no Doom and gloom as there is no fanboy ownage. Don't you love this place, dude?

Well Bungie didn't want to work strictly with MS anymore and on HALO, so that should also tell us something eh? HALO5 pre-order CANCELED.

#81 Posted by BattleSpectre (6813 posts) -

Oh well shit happens, and no one gets fired for no reason. Maybe in his eyes it was for no reason, but no one gets fired when they're doing a great job and winning awards for the company. He done fucked it up.

#82 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (28477 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@WilliamRLBaker said:

@killatwill15 said:

I hate how his twitter says "without cause"

maybe his music sucks?

or he got sidelined in favour of paul McCartney?

maybe he was defiant?

or he wasn't meeting deadlines due to not being in the studio enough?

or his music just wasn't fitting the mold of the game, it happens a lot in production.

Bungie can do no wrong, I have no information on the firing at all from Bungie but I do from Marty and he says it was without cause so I'll just saying he did all this stuff wrong and deserved to be fired.

His music sucks? lol he and halo have won awards for the music.

"without cause" means the board gave him no official reason. Obviously they had a reason, but if they don't tell the person being fired, he has the right to say "without cause". I love when people have no idea how corporate business works, dude.

Actually usually a company has to give a reason for the firing they cannot keep it away from the person people usually sue for false termination of employment when they pull shit like that.

#83 Posted by lostrib (41975 posts) -

@WilliamRLBaker said:

@cainetao11 said:

@WilliamRLBaker said:

@killatwill15 said:

I hate how his twitter says "without cause"

maybe his music sucks?

or he got sidelined in favour of paul McCartney?

maybe he was defiant?

or he wasn't meeting deadlines due to not being in the studio enough?

or his music just wasn't fitting the mold of the game, it happens a lot in production.

Bungie can do no wrong, I have no information on the firing at all from Bungie but I do from Marty and he says it was without cause so I'll just saying he did all this stuff wrong and deserved to be fired.

His music sucks? lol he and halo have won awards for the music.

"without cause" means the board gave him no official reason. Obviously they had a reason, but if they don't tell the person being fired, he has the right to say "without cause". I love when people have no idea how corporate business works, dude.

Actually usually a company has to give a reason for the firing they cannot keep it away from the person people usually sue for false termination of employment when they pull shit like that.

That's not really true...

#84 Edited by xhawk27 (7506 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Heil68 said:

@shawn30 said:

@Heil68 said:

Well according to @shawn30, I guess we can all forget about Destiny now, Real shame, I wanted to play that game. :(

Lol, its likely his work is done on the game, or far enough along that if they bring in a finisher it won't matter. Still though, he's a huge loss as his work has been epic for years. 343 need to grab him now, or some other MS studio like Black Tusk. His Halo them is iconic.

Hmmm...When people leave SONY it seems like their game(s) are all doom and gloom? Nonetheless, I have already canceled my pre-order for Destiny based on your recommendations. ;)

Yeah but he didn't leave MS, he left Bungie/Acivision, so no Doom and gloom as there is no fanboy ownage. Don't you love this place, dude?

Well Bungie didn't want to work strictly with MS anymore and on HALO, so that should also tell us something eh? HALO5 pre-order CANCELED.

He will sue Bungie for wrongful termination and then go to 343i and become Music director on Halo 5!

#85 Posted by cainetao11 (19171 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Heil68 said:

@shawn30 said:

@Heil68 said:

Well according to @shawn30, I guess we can all forget about Destiny now, Real shame, I wanted to play that game. :(

Lol, its likely his work is done on the game, or far enough along that if they bring in a finisher it won't matter. Still though, he's a huge loss as his work has been epic for years. 343 need to grab him now, or some other MS studio like Black Tusk. His Halo them is iconic.

Hmmm...When people leave SONY it seems like their game(s) are all doom and gloom? Nonetheless, I have already canceled my pre-order for Destiny based on your recommendations. ;)

Yeah but he didn't leave MS, he left Bungie/Acivision, so no Doom and gloom as there is no fanboy ownage. Don't you love this place, dude?

Well Bungie didn't want to work strictly with MS anymore and on HALO, so that should also tell us something eh? HALO5 pre-order CANCELED.

To each their own of course. I am totally on board for my next Halo, as I love the series. But TLOU again? Nope.

#86 Posted by cainetao11 (19171 posts) -

@WilliamRLBaker said:

@cainetao11 said:

@WilliamRLBaker said:

@killatwill15 said:

I hate how his twitter says "without cause"

maybe his music sucks?

or he got sidelined in favour of paul McCartney?

maybe he was defiant?

or he wasn't meeting deadlines due to not being in the studio enough?

or his music just wasn't fitting the mold of the game, it happens a lot in production.

Bungie can do no wrong, I have no information on the firing at all from Bungie but I do from Marty and he says it was without cause so I'll just saying he did all this stuff wrong and deserved to be fired.

His music sucks? lol he and halo have won awards for the music.

"without cause" means the board gave him no official reason. Obviously they had a reason, but if they don't tell the person being fired, he has the right to say "without cause". I love when people have no idea how corporate business works, dude.

Actually usually a company has to give a reason for the firing they cannot keep it away from the person people usually sue for false termination of employment when they pull shit like that.

Which may be the next chapter

#87 Posted by Roger_The_Alien (29 posts) -

Dang..poor guy lost his job. The worst part would be not knowing why. I feel for ya man.

#88 Posted by CroidX (1329 posts) -

Well we will see if there new game is good as halo

#89 Posted by resevl4rlz (3281 posts) -

@xhawk27 said:

@Heil68 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Heil68 said:

@shawn30 said:

@Heil68 said:

Well according to @shawn30, I guess we can all forget about Destiny now, Real shame, I wanted to play that game. :(

Lol, its likely his work is done on the game, or far enough along that if they bring in a finisher it won't matter. Still though, he's a huge loss as his work has been epic for years. 343 need to grab him now, or some other MS studio like Black Tusk. His Halo them is iconic.

Hmmm...When people leave SONY it seems like their game(s) are all doom and gloom? Nonetheless, I have already canceled my pre-order for Destiny based on your recommendations. ;)

Yeah but he didn't leave MS, he left Bungie/Acivision, so no Doom and gloom as there is no fanboy ownage. Don't you love this place, dude?

Well Bungie didn't want to work strictly with MS anymore and on HALO, so that should also tell us something eh? HALO5 pre-order CANCELED.

He will sue Bungie for wrongful termination and then go to 343i and become Music director on Halo 5!

he can't sue for shit. its in his contract that HE SIGNED and in the state of Washington its "AT WILL" which means they can be fired for any reason and they can't tell him why. he has no case

#90 Posted by killatwill15 (855 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@killatwill15 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@killatwill15 said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

My guess is he might have breached NDA somehow, innocuously maybe? "his music sucks"? Please, there's arguably nothing more iconic than Halo music as far as contemporary video games are concerned.

you guys don't get it,

the black album sucked despite metallica rocking 4 albums straight,

808s and heart breaks sucks despite Kanye wests graduation being one of the best albums ever made.

just because an artist had a stellar past,

does not bar them from sniffing their own farts once in a while,

and shitting on the next record.

it happens.

WE don't get what? Your opinion? Nobody is supposed to get another's' opinion as if its some incontrovertible truth you idiot. You thinking the black album sucked doesn't make it something the rest of us have to get. Come back to earth genius. I agree with the other two users, Black album not being Metallica's best, does by no means mean it sucks. Only children think in absolutes like this.

hmmm, well I didn't say it was the truth, just a hypothesis to o donnells claim he was fired without reasons,

hence maybe. I said they didn't get it because they kept taking stuff out of context, you idiot.

of course the black album sucked, compared to master of puppets,

compared to ride the lightning, or and justice for all and kill em all, it was musical down nesting.

they turned their back on their core fanbase to appeal to a pop audience, and musically they suffered for it.

think of the black album as hitman absolution or bioshock infinite.

those games are not without its fans nor detractors either,

speaking of which, if I have another 2 users to agree with me I can call you a child?

you are pathetic, or would you need a show of approval before you believe it?

You're back pedaling. You stated it as such. Its in the chain above. You never said in hypothesis dude. You've called me out as an idiot, what? You cant take a little in return?

what did I state? what are you talking about?

specificity would help so I don't go on to tackle many topics.

metallica? marty o donnell? music production?

seriously what are you referring too?

like I said, saltthefries took one thing out of context and it was hypothetical,

so I will quote myself on this one since I have to guess what you are talking about.

killatwill said:

I hate how his twitter says "without cause"

maybe his music sucks?

or he got sidelined in favour of paul McCartney?

maybe he was defiant?

or he wasn't meeting deadlines due to not being in the studio enough?

or his music just wasn't fitting the mold of the game, it happens a lot in production.

as you can discern that it all stemmed from a hypothetic not an absolute.

or did I guess incorrectly and you were talking about something else that you hadn't made wholly clear?

#91 Posted by steamistrash (431 posts) -

FUCK BUNGIE.

#92 Edited by Heil68 (46722 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@Heil68 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Heil68 said:

@shawn30 said:

@Heil68 said:

Well according to @shawn30, I guess we can all forget about Destiny now, Real shame, I wanted to play that game. :(

Lol, its likely his work is done on the game, or far enough along that if they bring in a finisher it won't matter. Still though, he's a huge loss as his work has been epic for years. 343 need to grab him now, or some other MS studio like Black Tusk. His Halo them is iconic.

Hmmm...When people leave SONY it seems like their game(s) are all doom and gloom? Nonetheless, I have already canceled my pre-order for Destiny based on your recommendations. ;)

Yeah but he didn't leave MS, he left Bungie/Acivision, so no Doom and gloom as there is no fanboy ownage. Don't you love this place, dude?

Well Bungie didn't want to work strictly with MS anymore and on HALO, so that should also tell us something eh? HALO5 pre-order CANCELED.

#93 Edited by Heil68 (46722 posts) -

@xhawk27 said:

@Heil68 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@Heil68 said:

@shawn30 said:

@Heil68 said:

Well according to @shawn30, I guess we can all forget about Destiny now, Real shame, I wanted to play that game. :(

Lol, its likely his work is done on the game, or far enough along that if they bring in a finisher it won't matter. Still though, he's a huge loss as his work has been epic for years. 343 need to grab him now, or some other MS studio like Black Tusk. His Halo them is iconic.

Hmmm...When people leave SONY it seems like their game(s) are all doom and gloom? Nonetheless, I have already canceled my pre-order for Destiny based on your recommendations. ;)

Yeah but he didn't leave MS, he left Bungie/Acivision, so no Doom and gloom as there is no fanboy ownage. Don't you love this place, dude?

Well Bungie didn't want to work strictly with MS anymore and on HALO, so that should also tell us something eh? HALO5 pre-order CANCELED.

He will sue Bungie for wrongful termination and then go to 343i and become Music director on Halo 5!

#94 Posted by cainetao11 (19171 posts) -

@killatwill15 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@killatwill15 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@killatwill15 said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

My guess is he might have breached NDA somehow, innocuously maybe? "his music sucks"? Please, there's arguably nothing more iconic than Halo music as far as contemporary video games are concerned.

you guys don't get it,

the black album sucked despite metallica rocking 4 albums straight,

808s and heart breaks sucks despite Kanye wests graduation being one of the best albums ever made.

just because an artist had a stellar past,

does not bar them from sniffing their own farts once in a while,

and shitting on the next record.

it happens.

WE don't get what? Your opinion? Nobody is supposed to get another's' opinion as if its some incontrovertible truth you idiot. You thinking the black album sucked doesn't make it something the rest of us have to get. Come back to earth genius. I agree with the other two users, Black album not being Metallica's best, does by no means mean it sucks. Only children think in absolutes like this.

hmmm, well I didn't say it was the truth, just a hypothesis to o donnells claim he was fired without reasons,

hence maybe. I said they didn't get it because they kept taking stuff out of context, you idiot.

of course the black album sucked, compared to master of puppets,

compared to ride the lightning, or and justice for all and kill em all, it was musical down nesting.

they turned their back on their core fanbase to appeal to a pop audience, and musically they suffered for it.

think of the black album as hitman absolution or bioshock infinite.

those games are not without its fans nor detractors either,

speaking of which, if I have another 2 users to agree with me I can call you a child?

you are pathetic, or would you need a show of approval before you believe it?

You're back pedaling. You stated it as such. Its in the chain above. You never said in hypothesis dude. You've called me out as an idiot, what? You cant take a little in return?

what did I state? what are you talking about?

specificity would help so I don't go on to tackle many topics.

metallica? marty o donnell? music production?

seriously what are you referring too?

like I said, saltthefries took one thing out of context and it was hypothetical,

so I will quote myself on this one since I have to guess what you are talking about.

killatwill said:

I hate how his twitter says "without cause"

maybe his music sucks?

or he got sidelined in favour of paul McCartney?

maybe he was defiant?

or he wasn't meeting deadlines due to not being in the studio enough?

or his music just wasn't fitting the mold of the game, it happens a lot in production.

as you can discern that it all stemmed from a hypothetic not an absolute.

or did I guess incorrectly and you were talking about something else that you hadn't made wholly clear?

What did you state? Are you illiterate? First two lines: "You guys don't get it. the black album sucked despite metallica rocking four albums straight"--- no where there is the possibility that you were suggesting something in hypothetical terms. Those are statements made by you, not questions, not preferences, statements.

#95 Posted by killatwill15 (855 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@killatwill15 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@killatwill15 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@killatwill15 said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:

My guess is he might have breached NDA somehow, innocuously maybe? "his music sucks"? Please, there's arguably nothing more iconic than Halo music as far as contemporary video games are concerned.

you guys don't get it,

the black album sucked despite metallica rocking 4 albums straight,

808s and heart breaks sucks despite Kanye wests graduation being one of the best albums ever made.

just because an artist had a stellar past,

does not bar them from sniffing their own farts once in a while,

and shitting on the next record.

it happens.

WE don't get what? Your opinion? Nobody is supposed to get another's' opinion as if its some incontrovertible truth you idiot. You thinking the black album sucked doesn't make it something the rest of us have to get. Come back to earth genius. I agree with the other two users, Black album not being Metallica's best, does by no means mean it sucks. Only children think in absolutes like this.

hmmm, well I didn't say it was the truth, just a hypothesis to o donnells claim he was fired without reasons,

hence maybe. I said they didn't get it because they kept taking stuff out of context, you idiot.

of course the black album sucked, compared to master of puppets,

compared to ride the lightning, or and justice for all and kill em all, it was musical down nesting.

they turned their back on their core fanbase to appeal to a pop audience, and musically they suffered for it.

think of the black album as hitman absolution or bioshock infinite.

those games are not without its fans nor detractors either,

speaking of which, if I have another 2 users to agree with me I can call you a child?

you are pathetic, or would you need a show of approval before you believe it?

You're back pedaling. You stated it as such. Its in the chain above. You never said in hypothesis dude. You've called me out as an idiot, what? You cant take a little in return?

what did I state? what are you talking about?

specificity would help so I don't go on to tackle many topics.

metallica? marty o donnell? music production?

seriously what are you referring too?

like I said, saltthefries took one thing out of context and it was hypothetical,

so I will quote myself on this one since I have to guess what you are talking about.

killatwill said:

I hate how his twitter says "without cause"

maybe his music sucks?

or he got sidelined in favour of paul McCartney?

maybe he was defiant?

or he wasn't meeting deadlines due to not being in the studio enough?

or his music just wasn't fitting the mold of the game, it happens a lot in production.

as you can discern that it all stemmed from a hypothetic not an absolute.

or did I guess incorrectly and you were talking about something else that you hadn't made wholly clear?

What did you state? Are you illiterate? First two lines: "You guys don't get it. the black album sucked despite metallica rocking four albums straight"--- no where there is the possibility that you were suggesting something in hypothetical terms. Those are statements made by you, not questions, not preferences, statements.

yeah and I stand by those statements,

compared to their past body of work,

it was garbage.

think of the black album like hitman absolution,

the whole of the series was thoughtful and open ended mission structure,

that required patience and thinking ahead.

and absolution ended up being gears of war and batman arkham asylum with forgotten stealth elements,

that was only a placeholder for the hitman franchise to cash in on the fanbase they had.

but you know bad things are not without its fans,

jack and jill has fans, the room has fans,

the black album would fall in the same category of admitted awfulness if you are aware of their older albums,

it is a guilty pleasure.

#96 Edited by cainetao11 (19171 posts) -

@killatwill15:

And I stand by my first response. Black Album was not their best imo, but did not suck. Load, was closer to that level, imo. But starting with "you guys don't get it" is like I said, inferring others are supposed to get something Objective, from your opinion which is Subjective.

Aware of their older albums? LOL I saw Metallica at the Orange County fair grounds in 1985 on the Ride the lightening tour; At Brendan Byrne Arena on Black tour, and MSG on Death Magnetic tour. I have a cassette copy of Ride the Lightening published by Megaforce records, just before they signed with Electra. I'm a 41 year old fan, since their early days, son.

#97 Posted by killatwill15 (855 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@killatwill15:

And I stand by my first response. Black Album was not their best imo, but did not suck. Load, was closer to that level, imo. But starting with "you guys don't get it" is like I said, inferring others are supposed to get something Objective, from your opinion which is Subjective.

Aware of their older albums? LOL I saw Metallica at the Orange County fair grounds in 1985 on the Ride the lightening tour; At Brendan Byrne Arena on Black tour, and MSG on Death Magnetic tour. I have a cassette copy of Ride the Lightening published by Megaforce records, just before they signed with Electra. I'm a 41 year old fan, since their early days, son.

ok mom,

but the black album still sucks,

you don't have to defend it because you have bad tastes.

but of course it was not their best, it was their worst,

if you were to drink to black album you would either change the disc,

or roll into a ball with slit wrists, it was bad,

I pop in master or lighting im knocking holes in walls with my head,

shit starts popping off like a ecw match, there is no way to mosh to enter sandman,

only if you were etching cherry pie lyrics into your binder a month before.

but I will relent a bit, st anger was terrible

#98 Posted by cainetao11 (19171 posts) -

@killatwill15: Ok, I am flattered I guess? Is your Mom a veteran? My pic is right there, after all. Your post of someone having different tastes than you, being "bad tastes" has sewn up the point I initially made. I remember being young and dumb like you, believing my opinion was good taste, right, or the truth. It is part of being young to not be rooted in reality. Good luck, good talk, glad we chatted.

#99 Posted by killatwill15 (855 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@killatwill15: Ok, I am flattered I guess? Is your Mom a veteran? My pic is right there, after all. Your post of someone having different tastes than you, being "bad tastes" has sewn up the point I initially made. I remember being young and dumb like you, believing my opinion was good taste, right, or the truth. It is part of being young to not be rooted in reality. Good luck, good talk, glad we chatted.

only my mother called me son, hence why I called you mom,

secondly she usually tries to tell me what is what,

wrong each and every time,

and just like a woman you had to get the last word and cap it off with pseudo self righteousness.

hopefully you don't slag on me for disrespecting elders,

usually elders aren't as sycophantic with an authority complex.

good luck, hopefully your "wisdom" isn't wasted elsewhere

#100 Edited by cainetao11 (19171 posts) -

@killatwill15 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@killatwill15: Ok, I am flattered I guess? Is your Mom a veteran? My pic is right there, after all. Your post of someone having different tastes than you, being "bad tastes" has sewn up the point I initially made. I remember being young and dumb like you, believing my opinion was good taste, right, or the truth. It is part of being young to not be rooted in reality. Good luck, good talk, glad we chatted.

only my mother called me son, hence why I called you mom,

secondly she usually tries to tell me what is what,

wrong each and every time,

and just like a woman you had to get the last word and cap it off with pseudo self righteousness.

hopefully you don't slag on me for disrespecting elders,

usually elders aren't as sycophantic with an authority complex.

good luck, hopefully your "wisdom" isn't wasted elsewhere

We can all hope. But You sure are off to slow start in the wisdom department.