M$ is still in denial over weak Xbone specs

#101 Edited by slimdogmilionar (753 posts) -
@@@@GrenadeLauncher said:
@delta3074 said:

Bulls***.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/36011/Microsofts_Xbox_360_Division_Sees_132_Billion_Profit_For_Fiscal_Year_2011.php

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/microsoft-xbox-live-growth-led-entertainment-division-to-profit-in-q4/0118805

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/04/18/microsoft-video-game-division-turns-a-profit-in-q3/

Losing around 2 billion a year? More BS, 2 billion a year since they started would put the Xbox division 24 billion in the red and we all know it ain't that far into the Red.

you just make all this crap up in your head really don't you.

Why else do you think they stuffed all the hardware together?

Why argue about M$ finances even with gaming divisions taking a loss(that M$ can afford) they are in no way as bad off as Sony who losses money every year, didn't profit off of ps3 until last gen was almost over, sell off parts of the company, and expected to loose over 1bil this year even with PS4 selling like hotcakes. This is turning out to be a good gen for Sony but, the last place you want back a company like M$ is in a corner, because they have the money to screw consumers and scratch the one after 3-5 years if they want to, then come out with a powerful more expensive console that Sony just can't afford, just how conglomerates think Profit>>Beach House>>Consumer.

But as a student studying for development I do believe in software optimization if you don't then go look at the Apple vs Android war, every android tablet and phone specs run circles around Apple products but Apple products always come out on top in benchmarks and perform just as good if not better than android devices. I'm an android guy for life but I can't deny that my wife's dual core 1.3ghz 1gb ram iPhone 5 is just a smooth and responsive as my 2.2ghz quad core 2gb ram LG G2 if not smoother. Nobody on this site believes in software optimization.

Xbox one will never be a powerful as PS4 hardware wise but like I keep saying Sony still has features to add to PS that could make it take a hit to performance, developers are already talking about using that extra "50%" of gpu power for compute which would make it just about even with xbox in the graphics area, take away that extra gpu power the PS4 has and the fact that Xbox has more ram available to devs we may not hit 1080p native but I'll take high texture quality and physics over 1080p any day which, ironically is the reason I finally bought a PS3 last gen Uncharted @720p>>>Gears of War @1080p EVERYTIME. Both consoles will get better optimized but I wouldn't bet on Sony developers being smarter than M$ developers just for the fact that M$ gets to work with everybody in the industry even competing companies so they get ideas from all over while Sony developing is mostly in house.

On a side note my outdated A8+6670 can still play games on medium settings that rival the PS4 and Xbox1. BF3 on my PC looks better than BF4 imo, I have a feeling after this upgrade I may be done with consoles.

#102 Posted by tormentos (20537 posts) -

@delta3074 said:

Your own Graph shows that the division posted profits for 5 years in a row, you don't understand what the word Profit actually means do you?

'A financial benefit that is realized when the amount of revenue gained from a business activity exceeds the expenses, costs and taxes needed to sustain the activity. Any profit that is gained goes to the business's owners, who may or may not decide to spend it on the business.'

You don't count overall losses when determining profits, A company may be 3 billion in debt overall but if there incoming revenue is above what it costs to keep a company going then they are considered to be making Profit.

Example: company A is 3 billion in debt, it's overall costs for the year are 2 billion, the compnay makes 3 billion in that year which means there incoming revenue is 1 billion more than there costs are that year so they are Making Profit.

Simply put, if a company makes more Money than it pays out in operating costs then they are in Profit.

Overall debt doesn't even come into the equation.

Come on man if sony post a 100 million profits all years until 2019 still that doesn't make for all they loss with the ps3,the same apply to MS,they make profits for the last 5 years,while they loss 7+ billions in the first 7 years,so yeah they still negative on that part,the xbox brand hasn't make MS any money,is like you betting 1 million on a casino yearly for 7 years and losing them all,then the next 5 years you make back 500,000 a year on winnings,in reality you didn't win anything,you still loss half your money,basically you just got something back from what you loss.

@delta3074 said:

More BS, The Dev that made the claim said it was 50% faster to develop for. not 50% more powerful

'Our contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer.'

http://kotaku.com/report-ps4-is-50-faster-than-xbox-one-1308239556

50% faster=/=50% more powerful.

The claims of 50% more power come way before that link you posted.

It is 50% more power on PC power is often refer to as speed,in fact the Xenos is faster than the RSX and that implies power,because clock speed wise the RSX is actually faster,when developer say 50% faster most of the time mean power is the same thing,if the PS4 is running a game 50% faster than the xbox one that still is allow.

In actual application (in game) the PS4 has show gaps bigger than 100%,you people just refuse to admit it,1080p vs 720p is more than 100% pixel difference,just like 60 FPS vs 30 FPS is 100% FPS difference.

In MGS5 case not only the PS4 double the xbox one in resolution 1080p vs 720p but the PS4 version has dynamic skies,which the xbox one totally lack that is effectively a bigger than 100% gap,go compare the 7850 vs the 7770 on PC you will not find such a big gap between those 2 GPU,and is because even that they have difference power levels,both play in equal grounds more or less,for example the 7770 has GDDR5 as memory and doesn't have any cumbersome set up of hoops that need to over come,just like the 7850 the end results is that the 7770 trail the xbox 7850 but does so by frames 10,15 up to 20 FPS difference,but the resolution is the same and the image quality as well,which isn't what is happening with the PS4 vs xbox one.

@Tighaman said:

Originally Posted by Christophe Riccio

I don't think it would allow new rendering techniques but it could allow thing we could do in cross fire / SLI like rendering simultaneously two frames at a time. Also it could allows to rendering independent rendering passes simultaneously which could provide a better utilization of the hardware as typically each rendering pass has different GPU hardware bottlenecks. For example if we could do the rendering of the shadows and the some shading simultaneously.

I am not completely sure about the consequence for the fixed function hardware. There are already different task live in a GPU. Most probably the multi command processor would have to share the pool of graphics context. (8 in Southern Islands if I remember correctly). I am more concerned here by the CPU side usage: We could create 2 OpenGL contexts and actually submit different commands simultaneously on different threads.

Overall, just duplicating the command processor seems an expensive idea to me in term of transistors count and an idea that doesn't really scale across GPU architectures / low-end vs high-end GPUs. I would rather want the IHV focus on things that will have a real impact for the rendering like programmable blending and multi draw indirect. I also think graphics programmers should thing twice when they want to submit multi command buffer simultaneously because it doesn't make any sense from a hardware design point of view unless if we add multi command processors in the future.

The x1 is made for the future its way ahead of the game everything NVIDIA , AMD, and Open gl5 is happening on the X1 via DX 12 the hardware is different its so many things inside the system that old engines just can't take full advantage.

Le secret sauce part deux...lol

@Tighaman said:

@tormentos: lol I'm not going to discuss a game with you that you don't have it was a ported let's count this gen only games not ported from 360 and ps3 which system running their games in a higher and steady framerate? Most for my games on my ps4 almost feel like they are made for a 50hz tv juddering on most of them don't have that effects on my x1.

I don't think you own anything,you are just a biased fanboy who like to ride secret sauce theories and invent non existing pitfalls the PS4,i have debunk all your crappy secret sauce theories one after another.

Anything the xbox one can do by API the PS4 can do it as well,didn't you learn your lesson from the whole Tile resources crap.?

Forza is not a port,neither is Ryse,Dead Rising or Killer Instinct..

#103 Posted by clr84651 (5557 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@kuu2 said:

@blackace said:

Beyond awesome.

Sony Fan talked specs 5years into last gen because they couldn't talk about games. Looks like this gen will be no different.

One thing is different this gen from last, xbox will never be ahead of PS in sales.

prove it

shove it

#104 Posted by Tighaman (1038 posts) -

@tormentos: but if you had a ps4 you could debunk all my claims but you don't so you can't speak on it lol I don't have a ps4 but its in my house and I have a x1 that's mines I play the ps4 just as much as its my own I see from my own eyes on my own tv what's going on but again you can't say the same so you can't speak on it.

I see you had no respond to the dev up above on the future because you know things are moving way faster than gddr5 lol see what I did there? Lol

#105 Posted by lostrib (44041 posts) -

@clr84651: there's no need to get upset

#106 Edited by clone01 (25428 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@kuu2 said:

@blackace said:

Beyond awesome.

Sony Fan talked specs 5years into last gen because they couldn't talk about games. Looks like this gen will be no different.

One thing is different this gen from last, xbox will never be ahead of PS in sales.

prove it

shove it

So you can't, and would rather act like a fanboy than provide a legitimate argument?

#107 Edited by lostrib (44041 posts) -

@clone01 said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@kuu2 said:

@blackace said:

Beyond awesome.

Sony Fan talked specs 5years into last gen because they couldn't talk about games. Looks like this gen will be no different.

One thing is different this gen from last, xbox will never be ahead of PS in sales.

prove it

shove it

So you can't, and would rather act like a fanboy than provide a legitimate argument?

That's pretty much how he rolls

#108 Posted by tormentos (20537 posts) -

@slimdogmilionar said:

Why argue about M$ finances even with gaming divisions taking a loss(that M$ can afford) they are in no way as bad off as Sony who losses money every year, didn't profit off of ps3 until last gen was almost over, sell off parts of the company, and expected to loose over 1bil this year even with PS4 selling like hotcakes. This is turning out to be a good gen for Sony but, the last place you want back a company like M$ is in a corner, because they have the money to screw consumers and scratch the one after 5 years if they want to, then come out with a better console that Sony just can't afford, just how conglomerates think.

But as a student studying for development I do believe in software optimization if you don't then go look at the Apple vs Android war, every android tablet and phone specs run circles around Apple products but Apple products always come out on top in benchmarks and perform just as good if not better than android devices. I'm an android guy for life but I can't deny that my wife's dual core 1.3ghz 1gb ram iPhone 5 is just a smooth and responsive as my 2.2ghz quad core 2gb ram LG G2 if not smoother. Nobody on this site believes in software optimization.

Xbox one will never be a powerful as PS4 hardware wise but like I keep saying Sony still has features to add to PS that could make it take a hit to performance, developers are already talking about using that extra "50%" of gpu power for compute which would make it just about even with xbox in the graphics area, take away that extra gpu power the PS4 has and the fact that Xbox has more ram available to devs we may not hit 1080p native but I'll take high texture quality and physics over 1080p any day which,

ironically is the reason I finally bought a PS3 last gen Uncharted @720p>>>Gears of War @1080p EVERYTIME.Both consoles will get better optimized but I wouldn't bet on Sony developers being smarter than M$ developers just for the fact that M$ gets to work with everybody in the industry even competing companies so they get ideas from all over while Sony developing is mostly in house.

On a side note my outdated A8+6670 can still play games on medium settings that rival the PS4 and Xbox1. BF3 on my PC looks better than BF4 imo, I have a feeling after this upgrade I may be done with consoles.

That because Apple phones use powerful GPU,it started with the 4S,because the iphone 4 one,was basically the same of the 3s,after the Iphone 4 Apple started to pack in stronger GPU,their OS is pretty good,and Apple have always been know for stable OS unlike MS in this case.

I remember when i bough my Galaxy S1,people actually believe the Iphone 4 was stronger,when in reality the GalaxyS 1 ran circles around the Iphone 4,and it was do to developers not supporting top end phones because most phones out there were low spec android,while Apple benefit from having few models,and basically close specs between hardware,when the 4S landed all change because they chose a stronger GPU,and believe it or not this phones use GPU accelerated apps,trough compute which is the reason why Apple phones ran so good,the Iphone 4 was crap compare to my galaxy s1 running test because the GPU in the S1 outclass the one of the iphone 4.

Look at Apple processors now,even that they don't have tons of CPU core one thing is consistent a good GPU.

So is not software optimization alone,is powerful hardware in Apple hands which isn't the same as on MS hand,and sony has been know to push hardware to its very limits even on hardware that was a nightmare to develop for so i don't think MS would beat them on that part.

The Iphone 5 was running an SGX543MP3 GPU with performance basically of that of the Ipad 3,so basically any app that is GPU accelerated will perform great because it had a great GPU for its time.

That second bold part is a joke,what the hell do you think will happen when you use the extra 50% power for compute.?

So you think developers will waste 50% power in something that will yield no benefits.?

So running the extra power for compute will not make the PS4 kick the living crap out of the PS4 in Physics and anything having to do with compute resources.?

If you use 600Gflosp for compute from where in hell you will pull from on the xbox one to level the play field,the problem with using the extra power for compute is that it is power that still is use.

1200 Gflops for graphics + 640 Gflops for compute still are 1840Gflops of power,the xbox one has 1280Gflosp for graphics and compute,so if the xbox one use 640Gflops for compute to compensate that means it is left with 640Gflops for graphics vs the PS4 1200Gflops.

Is like you people didn't went to school the xbox one has 1280Gflosp for compute and graphics as well,what you do on PS4 you most compensate with something on xbox one,if you use 1280Gflops for graphics and nothing for compute yeah,the xbox one may have parity graphics wise with the PS4,but at the cost of physics and anything compute related,so we are talking here about crappy physics on xbox one vs incredible ones on PS4,some effects may also take a hit on xbox one for the lack of compute use.

Basically your argument is that the PS4 will use the extra 50% for compute but some how that mean nothings because well compute does nothing apparently in your eyes,Physics run on compute run faster and better with less resources than on the CPU,so if the PS4 uses GPU compute for Physics the xbox one has nothing to counter that Jaguar is no match what so ever for compute on GCN for physics,oh and that would also mean the xbox one would have to use its CPU resources for Physics,that jaguar doesn't reach even 200Gflops,and has to do other task as well.

Gear of war and Uncharted both are 720p,Gears is not 1080p.

That is funny because Sony beat MS this time on all angles,lets see the PS4 is smaller,doesn't have a power brick and is stronger,but not only that this time the PS4 is also easy to use because Sony didn't chose to put any cumbersome hardware like Cell,and actually make the PS4 without cheapen out like MS did,it was a matter of visions,MS had Kinect and TV in mind,sony more about games.MS basically fu** its own hardware in order to use cheap DDR3 and in order to also bundle Kinect.

Sony on the other hand was able to pack more inside that APU just because they chose the right type of memory,MS was out engineer which isn't hard sony is a hardware company after all before MS even existed as a company,and they have some nice coders and some of the best developers out there,which are use to work the hard way to get results unlike MS ones.

I don't see MS out doing sony software wise the PS4 tool are ahead already,and i am sure they will still be for the rest of the gen,after all sony coders don't have to focus on windows or any cross platform crap.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/613?vs=549

The 6670 doesn't have sh** on the 7850 let alone the PS4,that GPU is so crap even at 1680x1050 it can't run BF3 on high at 30FPS,just does 25 the 7850 does 61 FPS.

Is not even close,stop talking about things you don't know...lol 6670..

#109 Edited by tormentos (20537 posts) -

@Tighaman said:

@tormentos: but if you had a ps4 you could debunk all my claims but you don't so you can't speak on it lol I don't have a ps4 but its in my house and I have a x1 that's mines I play the ps4 just as much as its my own I see from my own eyes on my own tv what's going on but again you can't say the same so you can't speak on it.

I see you had no respond to the dev up above on the future because you know things are moving way faster than gddr5 lol see what I did there? Lol

Oh i don't need a PS4 to debunk anything dude..

There are hardware comparison every where,and i know what the difference is between GCN unlike you,i have been saying for months what the difference would amount to and i was more than right.

Yes we all know how you see with your biased ass eyes,and you doom theories about how the PS4 will under perform some how latter on,you are a biased fanboy and is ok but man stop talking about things you don't know you look foolish.

Owning a PS4 doesn't change the fact that MGS5 is 720p on xbox one with no atmospheric simulation,while on PS4 is 1080p and has atmospheric simulation while also keeping the 60FPS like the xbox one without dropping a single frame.

By the way when you post something from outside post links please other wise it look made up by you..lol

@b4x

MGS as an example?

This hack developing team couldn't even get the Xbox version MGS to be superior to the PS2 version of MGS.

Please do tell me how the Ps2 > Xbox in power? I'll be waiting for this explanation.

Not saying the X1 is superior to the PS4 in power. Just saying either these guys are bias or just complete coding hacks.

They put zero effort in the Xbox One version of this 30 dollar demo. It's a straight Xbox 360 port.

First of all MGS2 was on part and better in some parts with the PS2,in some it wasn't because MGS2 was build with the PS2 hardware in mind,the fillrate of the PS2 was incredible as well as transparent polygons,reason why when you started the game on the ship that was Raining the xbox version choke and had frame slow down,it wasn't the developers fault and that was stated by Kujima it self the PS2 did some things better than the xbox GPU,and since MGS2 wasn't build to be a multiplatform game and was build for PS2 it used the PS2 strong points like Fillrate.

Trying to imply that because it is Konami the game and is MGS as the reason for the gap is a joke,Tomb Raider has a up to 100% in frames as well 60 vs 30,was Konami also the problem.? What about Ghost 720p on xbox one and 1080p on PS4 was that Konami MGS team as well.?

Hell COD always had higher resolution on xbox 360 than on PS3,so there is no excuse other than lack of power to justify the gap.

#110 Posted by GrenadeLauncher (6256 posts) -

He's right, though. The Xblown doesn't have a hope in hell. Hahahahahahah!

#111 Edited by Spitfire-Six (737 posts) -

Did any of you actually read the article?

#112 Edited by GrenadeLauncher (6256 posts) -

Wow, all these lemming tears and recriminations. I love it.

@b4x said:

@tormentos said:

So much bullsh** in one post..

Lets see MGS5 is 1080p 60 FPS with extra effects on PS4,720p 60 FPS without dynamic sky..lol

That is a huge ass gap of more than 100%.

Multiplatform games run better on PS4 deal with it..

MGS as an example?

This hack developing team couldn't even get the Xbox version MGS to be superior to the PS2 version of MGS.

Please do tell me how the Ps2 > Xbox in power? I'll be waiting for this explanation.

Not saying the X1 is superior to the PS4 in power. Just saying either these guys are bias or just complete coding hacks.

They put zero effort in the Xbox One version of this 30 dollar demo. It's a straight Xbox 360 port.

I get being salty about Ground Zeroes because you got a gimped version of it because, let's be honest, the Xbone is a turd, but let's be honest: salty about MGS2:Substance? Get a grip, mate.

Infamous destroys Wryte-Off, by the way, and Resogun is a 1080p 60fps exclusive that looks better and got better reviews than Flopza 4.5. :)

#113 Posted by tormentos (20537 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher said:

Wow, all these lemming tears and recriminations. I love it.

@b4x said:

MGS as an example?

This hack developing team couldn't even get the Xbox version MGS to be superior to the PS2 version of MGS.

Please do tell me how the Ps2 > Xbox in power? I'll be waiting for this explanation.

Not saying the X1 is superior to the PS4 in power. Just saying either these guys are bias or just complete coding hacks.

They put zero effort in the Xbox One version of this 30 dollar demo. It's a straight Xbox 360 port.

I get being salty about Ground Zeroes because you got a gimped version of it because, let's be honest, the Xbone is a turd, but let's be honest: salty about MGS2:Substance? Get a grip, mate.

Infamous destroys Wryte-Off, by the way, and Resogun is a 1080p 60fps exclusive that looks better and got better reviews than Flopza 4.5. :)

Yep is a joke how they blame Kujima and konami for the gap,trying to say it was a lazy port or bias development,when COD ghost is also 720p on xbox one and 1080p on PS4,when COD had always run at higher resolution on xbox 360 compare to the PS3.

From now on all developers are biased and make lazy ports..lol

#114 Edited by Spitfire-Six (737 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher: You seriously didn't just compare Resogun to Forza did you ?

#115 Edited by GrenadeLauncher (6256 posts) -

@spitfire-six said:

@GrenadeLauncher: You seriously didn't just compare Resogun to Forza did you ?

You're right, it would be an insult to Resogun.

#116 Edited by B4X (5660 posts) -

@tormentos First of all MGS2 was on part and better in some parts with the PS2,in some it wasn't because MGS2 was build with the PS2 hardware in mind,the fillrate of the PS2 was incredible as well as transparent polygons,reason why when you started the game on the ship that was Raining the xbox version choke and had frame slow down,it wasn't the developers fault and that was stated by Kujima it self the PS2 did some things better than the xbox GPU,and since MGS2 wasn't build to be a multiplatform game and was build for PS2 it used the PS2 strong points like Fillrate.

Trying to imply that because it is Konami the game and is MGS as the reason for the gap is a joke,Tomb Raider has a up to 100% in frames as well 60 vs 30,was Konami also the problem.? What about Ghost 720p on xbox one and 1080p on PS4 was that Konami MGS team as well.?

Hell COD always had higher resolution on xbox 360 than on PS3,so there is no excuse other than lack of power to justify the gap.

Zero Optimizations for either game. Your answer proves my point.

Bias or unskilled programmers. You choose. Other developers sure weren't having problems making Xbox ports superior? Xbox wtf pwned the ps2 in regards to power. There is zero debate.

@GrenadeLauncher said:

Wow, all these lemming tears and recriminations. I love it.

@b4x said:

@tormentos said:

So much bullsh** in one post..

Lets see MGS5 is 1080p 60 FPS with extra effects on PS4,720p 60 FPS without dynamic sky..lol

That is a huge ass gap of more than 100%.

Multiplatform games run better on PS4 deal with it..

MGS as an example?

This hack developing team couldn't even get the Xbox version MGS to be superior to the PS2 version of MGS.

Please do tell me how the Ps2 > Xbox in power? I'll be waiting for this explanation.

Not saying the X1 is superior to the PS4 in power. Just saying either these guys are bias or just complete coding hacks.

They put zero effort in the Xbox One version of this 30 dollar demo. It's a straight Xbox 360 port.

I get being salty about Ground Zeroes because you got a gimped version of it because, let's be honest, the Xbone is a turd, but let's be honest: salty about MGS2:Substance? Get a grip, mate.

Infamous destroys Wryte-Off, by the way, and Resogun is a 1080p 60fps exclusive that looks better and got better reviews than Flopza 4.5. :)

Arguing with you will be futile. The results prove my case.

Either they're group of hack coders, or they're bias, their track record proves it. GZ is a 100% port of the PS3- Xbox 360 code. Ported over to the X1. Two games consisting of Zero optimizations for Microsoft platforms, equals what exactly?

Kojima has never released a unoptimized game on a Nintendo or Sony platform. < You need proof of this statement?

#117 Edited by B4X (5660 posts) -

@spitfire-six said:

@GrenadeLauncher: You seriously didn't just compare Resogun to Forza did you ?

He is comparing a small graphic box shooter to a large graphical box full fleshed out racing game. With hand picked screen grabs. You do know who you're dealing with right?

#118 Edited by Spitfire-Six (737 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher: Anyone with any part of their brain active would know that making a side scroller knock off game is easier than making a full game with actual physics modules multiplayer and etc. I don't knock your argument but come on be realistic. This is a stupid comparison.

#119 Edited by Tighaman (1038 posts) -

@tormentos: yes you do because I'm watching and playing the games on my tv looking first hand while you looking at youtube and twitch thinking its the same perspective is stupid on your behalf, that's the problem you are comparing GCN on your info only and you always thinking in the past and that might be right correct to look in that direction with the ps4 but not the X1 you gonna understand as this gen moves along.

You still on MGS it was a port from the 360 that was ported from the ps3 and it wasn't even a whole game lol and even on the ps4 its low polys everywhere but again if you had a ps4 you would know these things lol

#120 Edited by GrenadeLauncher (6256 posts) -

B4X gets a decent explanation and he still cries about it. Can't you just be happy you got one of those hated cow's exclusives?

@b4x said:

@spitfire-six said:

@GrenadeLauncher: You seriously didn't just compare Resogun to Forza did you ?

He is comparing a small graphic box shooter to a large graphical box full fleshed out racing game. With hand picked screen grabs. You know who you're dealing with right?

*PS2 shovelware tier gunk

Call me when the Xbone can do a racer that looks as good as Drive Club at even 30fps.

#121 Edited by B4X (5660 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher said:

B4X gets a decent explanation and he still cries about it. Can't you just be happy you got one of those hated cow's exclusives?

@b4x said:

@spitfire-six said:

@GrenadeLauncher: You seriously didn't just compare Resogun to Forza did you ?

He is comparing a small graphic box shooter to a large graphical box full fleshed out racing game. With hand picked screen grabs. You know who you're dealing with right?

*PS2 shovelware tier gunk

Call me when the Xbone can do a racer that looks as good as Drive Club at even 30fps.

Lack of Collision models, Forza quality Physics engines, Number of cars on the track. = 30fps

Forza is a beast of a coding feat. Comparing an arcade racer with a shiny paint job, to Forza is _______? You fill in the blank.

Just because you can't see air. It's still there.

#122 Edited by _SWAG_ (2664 posts) -

xbone is like a chicken that got its head cut off, It may still be moving but its already hella dead

#123 Posted by always_explicit (3132 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher said:

B4X gets a decent explanation and he still cries about it. Can't you just be happy you got one of those hated cow's exclusives?

@b4x said:

@spitfire-six said:

@GrenadeLauncher: You seriously didn't just compare Resogun to Forza did you ?

He is comparing a small graphic box shooter to a large graphical box full fleshed out racing game. With hand picked screen grabs. You know who you're dealing with right?

*PS2 shovelware tier gunk

Call me when the Xbone can do a racer that looks as good as Drive Club at even 30fps.

Driveclub?

You mean the LAUNCH TITLE that has been delayed for 6 months specifically because it wasnt ready to be released. You wonder why that delay came about???

Perhaps they saw Forza and realised that DC wasnt quite up to scratch and have spent the last 6 months optimizing the shit out of it. There is nothing to brag about here.

#124 Edited by B4X (5660 posts) -

@always_explicit said:

@GrenadeLauncher said:

B4X gets a decent explanation and he still cries about it. Can't you just be happy you got one of those hated cow's exclusives?

@b4x said:

@spitfire-six said:

@GrenadeLauncher: You seriously didn't just compare Resogun to Forza did you ?

He is comparing a small graphic box shooter to a large graphical box full fleshed out racing game. With hand picked screen grabs. You know who you're dealing with right?

*PS2 shovelware tier gunk

Call me when the Xbone can do a racer that looks as good as Drive Club at even 30fps.

Driveclub?

You mean the LAUNCH TITLE that has been delayed for 6 months specifically because it wasnt ready to be released. You wonder why that delay came about???

Perhaps they saw Forza and realised that DC wasnt quite up to scratch and have spent the last 6 months optimizing the shit out of it. There is nothing to brag about here.

Every E3 2013 comment about DC was in the meh category. Hopefully the allotted development time has really helped. I really want it to be a good game. I like games and turtles.

#125 Posted by Spitfire-Six (737 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher said:

B4X gets a decent explanation and he still cries about it. Can't you just be happy you got one of those hated cow's exclusives?

@b4x said:

@spitfire-six said:

@GrenadeLauncher: You seriously didn't just compare Resogun to Forza did you ?

He is comparing a small graphic box shooter to a large graphical box full fleshed out racing game. With hand picked screen grabs. You know who you're dealing with right?

*PS2 shovelware tier gunk

Call me when the Xbone can do a racer that looks as good as Drive Club at even 30fps.

How about we wait until i actually releases this time before talking it up? If i remember right this was supposed to be a Forza killer now its " not a sim" "not meant to be competition to forza" "50 cars are just right" etc etc

#126 Edited by clr84651 (5557 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@clone01 said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@kuu2 said:

@blackace said:

Beyond awesome.

Sony Fan talked specs 5years into last gen because they couldn't talk about games. Looks like this gen will be no different.

One thing is different this gen from last, xbox will never be ahead of PS in sales.

prove it

shove it

So you can't, and would rather act like a fanboy than provide a legitimate argument?

That's pretty much how he rolls

@clone01 said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@kuu2 said:

@blackace said:

Beyond awesome.

Sony Fan talked specs 5years into last gen because they couldn't talk about games. Looks like this gen will be no different.

One thing is different this gen from last, xbox will never be ahead of PS in sales.

prove it

shove it

So you can't, and would rather act like a fanboy than provide a legitimate argument?

It's a prediction obviously. You and anyone else should be smart enough to figure that out.

#127 Posted by always_explicit (3132 posts) -

@b4x said:

@always_explicit said:

@GrenadeLauncher said:

B4X gets a decent explanation and he still cries about it. Can't you just be happy you got one of those hated cow's exclusives?

@b4x said:

@spitfire-six said:

@GrenadeLauncher: You seriously didn't just compare Resogun to Forza did you ?

He is comparing a small graphic box shooter to a large graphical box full fleshed out racing game. With hand picked screen grabs. You know who you're dealing with right?

*PS2 shovelware tier gunk

Call me when the Xbone can do a racer that looks as good as Drive Club at even 30fps.

Driveclub?

You mean the LAUNCH TITLE that has been delayed for 6 months specifically because it wasnt ready to be released. You wonder why that delay came about???

Perhaps they saw Forza and realised that DC wasnt quite up to scratch and have spent the last 6 months optimizing the shit out of it. There is nothing to brag about here.

Every E3 2013 comment about DC was in the meh category. Hopefully the allotted development time has really helped. I really want it to be a good game. I like games and turtles.

I am dying for E3 to give me a reason to pick up a PS4. Its just not happened so far with the lackluster software available. Il see what exclusive IP are in development for the Sony machine and make up my mind in June. I can onyl assume Driveclub has undergone a lot of changes and as a result SHOULD be a stronger title. However I am never going to compare it to Forza because Forza was delivered on time!!

#128 Edited by lostrib (44041 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clone01 said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@kuu2 said:

@blackace said:

Beyond awesome.

Sony Fan talked specs 5years into last gen because they couldn't talk about games. Looks like this gen will be no different.

One thing is different this gen from last, xbox will never be ahead of PS in sales.

prove it

shove it

So you can't, and would rather act like a fanboy than provide a legitimate argument?

That's pretty much how he rolls

It's a prediction obviously. You and anyone else should be smart enough to figure that out.

It's not our fault you can't express your intentions clearly

#129 Edited by GrenadeLauncher (6256 posts) -

OH YEAH I forgot, Kojima was in that cute little Xbox Anthem shit at the reveal, wasn't he?

He really rinsed Microsoft good! Kojima is God!

#130 Posted by tormentos (20537 posts) -

@b4x said:

@tormentos First of all MGS2 was on part and better in some parts with the PS2,in some it wasn't because MGS2 was build with the PS2 hardware in mind,the fillrate of the PS2 was incredible as well as transparent polygons,reason why when you started the game on the ship that was Raining the xbox version choke and had frame slow down,it wasn't the developers fault and that was stated by Kujima it self the PS2 did some things better than the xbox GPU,and since MGS2 wasn't build to be a multiplatform game and was build for PS2 it used the PS2 strong points like Fillrate.

Trying to imply that because it is Konami the game and is MGS as the reason for the gap is a joke,Tomb Raider has a up to 100% in frames as well 60 vs 30,was Konami also the problem.? What about Ghost 720p on xbox one and 1080p on PS4 was that Konami MGS team as well.?

Hell COD always had higher resolution on xbox 360 than on PS3,so there is no excuse other than lack of power to justify the gap.

Zero Optimizations for either game. Your answer proves my point.

Bias or unskilled programmers. You choose. Other developers sure weren't having problems making Xbox ports superior? Xbox wtf pwned the ps2 in regards to power. There is zero debate.

Arguing with you will be futile. The results prove my case.

Either they're group of hack coders, or they're bias, their track record proves it. GZ is a 100% port of the PS3- Xbox 360 code. Ported over to the X1. Two games consisting of Zero optimizations for Microsoft platforms, equals what exactly?

Kojima has never released a unoptimized game on a Nintendo or Sony platform. < You need proof of this statement?

No if that is what you get from my post posting,there is no level of optimization that would have bring the xbox to perform like the PS2 version because the game used the PS2 strong points,no matter what the xbox GPU wasn't as good at those points so no matter how much you would have optimize it would have not perform the same.

In fact many games were just straight ass ports and those could be see from a mile away,what happen with MGS2 was different you can't just emulate something another hardware does without penalties,emulations take power,in this case the xbox didn't have the power to emulate the rain scenes on MS2 because it uses the PS2 incredible fill rate and transparent polygons.

Do you know the PS2 had 4MB dram which connected to the pixel pipe line using a 2560 bit bus.?

You could not emulate that on the xbox,so if a game took advantage of that doing it on the xbox would be impossible.

Once again i gave you an example is not just MGS5 there are other games to and is not lack of effort no matter what the xbox one is not as powerful as the PS4.

@b4x said:

@spitfire-six said:

@GrenadeLauncher: You seriously didn't just compare Resogun to Forza did you ?

He is comparing a small graphic box shooter to a large graphical box full fleshed out racing game. With hand picked screen grabs. You do know who you're dealing with right?

Considering how many corner turn 10 cut to make the game 1080p 60FPS i would not be surprise to learn that Resogun is doing more work.

@Tighaman said:

@tormentos: yes you do because I'm watching and playing the games on my tv looking first hand while you looking at youtube and twitch thinking its the same perspective is stupid on your behalf, that's the problem you are comparing GCN on your info only and you always thinking in the past and that might be right correct to look in that direction with the ps4 but not the X1 you gonna understand as this gen moves along.

You still on MGS it was a port from the 360 that was ported from the ps3 and it wasn't even a whole game lol and even on the ps4 its low polys everywhere but again if you had a ps4 you would know these things lol

So Ghost is not 720p on xbox one because you own an xbox one.?

BF4 is not 720p because you own an xbox one.?

How about MGS5 or Tomb Raider is Tomb Raider 60 FPS on xbox one.? How about MGS5 is it 1080p with dynamic skies.?

So you owning an xbox one in nothing change the outcome of those games when compare to the PS4.?

The xbox one has a damn cut down and under clocked 7790,already confirmed and re confirmed by MS it self,the PS4 has a cut down 7870 down clock as well.

No matter what you do a 7790 will not beat a 7870 period there is no way around this,to make things even worse,the one with the weaker GPU also have a damn troublesome memory architecture in place because of the memory they chose for the unit.

Is not true HSA is not hUMA either,and Crytek just confirm that you need allot of copy and paste of the same redundant data something on PS4 you don't get because of its true HSA nature.

So not only the PS4 has a stronger more capable GPU,it also has easier memory setup and true next gen design,unlike the xbox one,the problem with you people is that your so use to the PS3 mantra of hard but powerful that you actually believe the xbox one will have something to pull it self up when it really doesn't.

More difficult doesn't = hidden power it just mean work more to get less in this particular case.

Funny how it was a port yet it is the PS4 running it at 1080p with dynamic skies while the xbox one version is 720p and has the same skies as the PS3 and xbox 360,funny enough Turn 10 did that with Forza 5 they put the sky on the main memory pool and the rest on the ESRAM because well the sky did nothing it was lifeless, but if you want to do something on it ESRAM is need it and yeah is to small for that..lol

@b4x said:

Lack of Collision models, Forza quality Physics engines, Number of cars on the track. = 30fps

Forza is a beast of a coding feat. Comparing an arcade racer with a shiny paint job, to Forza is _______? You fill in the blank.

Just because you can't see air. It's still there.

Forza 5 is a piece of sh** racer that has backed lighting,baked damage,card boar box people,no dynamic weather or or day and night,is basically a 360 game speed up to 60 FPS and 1080p with better textures that is about it.

Drive Club basically wipe the floor with Forza,the level of detail in Drive Club make forza look last gen..

@always_explicit said:

Driveclub?

You mean the LAUNCH TITLE that has been delayed for 6 months specifically because it wasnt ready to be released. You wonder why that delay came about???

Perhaps they saw Forza and realised that DC wasnt quite up to scratch and have spent the last 6 months optimizing the shit out of it. There is nothing to brag about here.

There was a problem with the inside menu of the game stated already by Sony,but they time was take to add more,but even so it what does that change the fact that Drive Club piss all over Forza 5 visually oh and without cutting corners,like Forza did....

#131 Posted by Tighaman (1038 posts) -

@tormentos: all cross gen games it don't matter what you say but we gonna see when you run while looking backwards you end up hitting a wall tech 101

#132 Posted by tormentos (20537 posts) -
@b4x said:

Every E3 2013 comment about DC was in the meh category. Hopefully the allotted development time has really helped. I really want it to be a good game. I like games and turtles.

Oh yeah E3 i remember...

What MS showed you on E3 on the left vs what Forza 5 retail really looks on the right..

They had to change 3d models with photos of people to achieve 1080p 60 FPS..hahahaha

@spitfire-six said:

How about we wait until i actually releases this time before talking it up? If i remember right this was supposed to be a Forza killer now its " not a sim" "not meant to be competition to forza" "50 cars are just right" etc etc

GT6 has more than 1,000 cars i guess it destroy Forza 5 then..

Forza has 79% on gamerankings and meta for once i agree lets wait and see..

@always_explicit said:

I am dying for E3 to give me a reason to pick up a PS4. Its just not happened so far with the lackluster software available. Il see what exclusive IP are in development for the Sony machine and make up my mind in June. I can onyl assume Driveclub has undergone a lot of changes and as a result SHOULD be a stronger title. However I am never going to compare it to Forza because Forza was delivered on time!!

Time of release mean nothing and Forza 5 was barely deliver on time,need it a patch and was totally downgrade..lol

look at the screen for further proof,i prefer a delay to make things better than a rush to make everything look worse and make downgrades but that is just me...

Yet you picked a damn xbox one with the horrible line up of average games and inferior ports,some people just like crap that is how this world works ask STS106mats and hes love for Ryse.

#133 Posted by tormentos (20537 posts) -

@Tighaman said:

@tormentos: all cross gen games it don't matter what you say but we gonna see when you run while looking backwards you end up hitting a wall tech 101

Yeah lets wait and see who really hit a wall,until now all the secret sauce of you have turn into sh** and all the invented limitation for the PS4 you keep pulling had been debunked..

But cheer up been second is not so bad,it could have been worse like Nintendo.

#134 Edited by B4X (5660 posts) -

@tormentos: Forza is shit?

Drive Club was the shit racer at E3 2013. Forza was the Racing Game of the show. Try all game shows last year.

If Drive Club can pull off a 7.0 in meta I will be surprised.

Don't give me your BS excuses about the all mighty PS2 capability's. MGS 2 was hands down the worst carry over port of a high profile ps2 game to the Xbox.

Talk all the shit you want air bag. Link me a game that was a worse port?

No matter how bias your posts are with your apologetic Sony BS.

You're still just the same guy that was trying to explain why PS3 ports were inferior to Xbox 360 ports. How the PS3 was more powerful. Was it lazy developers? Was it poorly optimized ports? What was it smart guy. Was it difficulty learning the hardware? You're a true hypocrite.

You are hands down the dumbest / most bias guy on this board. Your post history is infested with YOU being proven wrong time after time. Time always catches up to lies and fabrications smart ass. Your just a month away from everything you spew forth out of that feeble brain to being proven wrong. You can't hide from time guy.

Don't quote me you Sony apologist loser. I'm a gamer. Not a worthless person like you. I do not like you. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

Take care.

#135 Edited by clr84651 (5557 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clone01 said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@kuu2 said:

@blackace said:

Beyond awesome.

Sony Fan talked specs 5years into last gen because they couldn't talk about games. Looks like this gen will be no different.

One thing is different this gen from last, xbox will never be ahead of PS in sales.

prove it

shove it

So you can't, and would rather act like a fanboy than provide a legitimate argument?

That's pretty much how he rolls

It's a prediction obviously. You and anyone else should be smart enough to figure that out.

It's not our fault you can't express your intentions clearly

Is this gen ending? F' No! Therefore it's a prediction. Good Lord!

Others stupidity or arrogant shoving crap at me isn't my fault.

Stop jumping all over my shit for nothing all the time!!

#136 Edited by lostrib (44041 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

It's a prediction obviously. You and anyone else should be smart enough to figure that out.

It's not our fault you can't express your intentions clearly

Is this gen ending? F' No! Therefore it's a prediction. Good Lord!

Others stupidity or arrogant shoving crap at me isn't my fault.

Stop jumping all over my shit for nothing all the time!!

Not my fault you stated it as fact, and then were unable to prove it. Perhaps be more careful about what you post

#138 Edited by lostrib (44041 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

Is this gen ending? F' No! Therefore it's a prediction. Good Lord!

Others stupidity or arrogant shoving crap at me isn't my fault.

Stop jumping all over my shit for nothing all the time!!

Not my fault you stated it as fact, and then were unable to prove it. Perhaps be more careful about what you post

Get the F' off of my case!! Butthole!!!! You are a Monkey Boner & Child Molester! Mother F'n loser!

Don't sugar coat it, please tell me how you really feel

#139 Edited by tormentos (20537 posts) -

@b4x said:

@tormentos: Forza is shit?

Drive Club was the shit racer at E3 2013. Forza was the Racing Game of the show. Try all game shows last year.

If Drive Club can pull off a 7.0 in meta I will be surprised.

Don't give me your BS excuses about the all mighty PS2 capability's. MGS 2 was hands down the worst carry over port of a high profile ps2 game to the Xbox.

Talk all the shit you want air bag. Link me a game that was a worse port?

No matter how bias your posts are with your apologetic Sony BS.

You're still just the same guy that was trying to explain why PS3 ports were inferior to Xbox 360 ports. How the PS3 was more powerful. Was it lazy developers? Was it poorly optimized ports? What was it smart guy. Was it difficulty learning the hardware? You're a true hypocrite.

You are hands down the dumbest / most bias guy on this board. Your post history is infested with YOU being proven wrong time after time. Time always catches up to lies and fabrications smart ass. Your just a month away from everything you spew forth out of that feeble brain to being proven wrong. You can't hide from time guy.

Don't quote me you Sony apologist loser. I'm a gamer. Not a worthless person like you. I do not like you. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

Take care.

Epic meltdown...hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Ghost 720p xbox one

1080p PS4.

AC4 900P on xbox one

1080p better AA on PS4.

BF4 720p xbox one

900p with 10 FPS faster across the board PS4.

MGS5 720p on xbox one

1080p with dynamic skies on PS4.

Tomb Raider 1080p on xbox one 30 FPS with 900p cut scenes,alpha based effect at half resolution,lower quality depth of field,reduced levels of anisotropic filtering and lower quality textures in some parts.

1080p 60FPS,with higher resolution textures in places,full resolution alpha based effects,high quality depth of field,good anisotropic filtering and higher quality textures in places..

Trials Fusion 900p on xbox one

1080p on PS4

Lego the Hobit 1080p on xbox one.

1280p on PS4 supper sample to 1080p...lol

I guess those developers were all lazy,yeah lazy lazy lazy...lol

After all the sh** you just pull from that alter account,tell me why make you think is not lack of power what do you have to prove that the xbox one is every bit as powerful as the PS4...

#140 Posted by PS4hasNOgames (2502 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

So there is room for the Xbox to grow. Great news.

In a related story. Sony is in denial it is doomed.

"room" to grow would mean that it has some sort of un-tapped water well of specs....but as many devs have said, its a weak system which is why COD Ghosts (lol) couldn't even run at 1080p

#141 Edited by always_explicit (3132 posts) -

@tormentos said:

I am dying for E3 to give me a reason to pick up a PS4. Its just not happened so far with the lackluster software available. Il see what exclusive IP are in development for the Sony machine and make up my mind in June. I can onyl assume Driveclub has undergone a lot of changes and as a result SHOULD be a stronger title. However I am never going to compare it to Forza because Forza was delivered on time!!

Time of release mean nothing and Forza 5 was barely deliver on time,need it a patch and was totally downgrade..lol

look at the screen for further proof,i prefer a delay to make things better than a rush to make everything look worse and make downgrades but that is just me...

Yet you picked a damn xbox one with the horrible line up of average games and inferior ports,some people just like crap that is how this world works ask STS106mats and hes love for Ryse.

Look man there is no such thing as "barely on time". You are either on time or you aint. Forza was released on time to positive reviewed across the board.

Driveclub was played by many people and deemed to be average and unspectacular....and surprise suprise....it ended up delayed. Im not saying Drive club will be a bad game. Im saying it better be a fucking 10/10 after a 9 month delay over its competitors. You can say I like crap all day long but at the end of it all I am playing a next gen racer on a next gen console and me my wife and kids ALL use the X1 every single day. Its the most used platform I have ever owned and thats no accident. I have said before If some games I like are released exclusively to the PS4 Il pick up a PS4 its very simple. As of yet that has not happened and your broken English, poorly written sentences, questionable logic, poor reasoning and flat out immaturity do nothing to entice me to join the Sony community either.

But hey...maybe get back to me in October when Driveclub actually releases and we can talk about how good it is? You keep WATCHING gameplay videos and decide how amazing the game might be. Il keep PLAYING forza and sharing my informed opinion.

Who knows maybe by then you will actually own a next gen console instead of being the resident spreader of what you THINK the PS4 and X1 are like. Talking to you is like asking a vegetarian which steak I should go for. Something to disregard entirely until you have taken a bite.

#142 Posted by GravityX (865 posts) -

@tormentos said:

@b4x said:

@tormentos: Forza is shit?

Drive Club was the shit racer at E3 2013. Forza was the Racing Game of the show. Try all game shows last year.

If Drive Club can pull off a 7.0 in meta I will be surprised.

Don't give me your BS excuses about the all mighty PS2 capability's. MGS 2 was hands down the worst carry over port of a high profile ps2 game to the Xbox.

Talk all the shit you want air bag. Link me a game that was a worse port?

No matter how bias your posts are with your apologetic Sony BS.

You're still just the same guy that was trying to explain why PS3 ports were inferior to Xbox 360 ports. How the PS3 was more powerful. Was it lazy developers? Was it poorly optimized ports? What was it smart guy. Was it difficulty learning the hardware? You're a true hypocrite.

You are hands down the dumbest / most bias guy on this board. Your post history is infested with YOU being proven wrong time after time. Time always catches up to lies and fabrications smart ass. Your just a month away from everything you spew forth out of that feeble brain to being proven wrong. You can't hide from time guy.

Don't quote me you Sony apologist loser. I'm a gamer. Not a worthless person like you. I do not like you. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

Take care.

Epic meltdown...hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Ghost 720p xbox one

1080p PS4.

AC4 900P on xbox one

1080p better AA on PS4.

BF4 720p xbox one

900p with 10 FPS faster across the board PS4.

MGS5 720p on xbox one

1080p with dynamic skies on PS4.

Tomb Raider 1080p on xbox one 30 FPS with 900p cut scenes,alpha based effect at half resolution,lower quality depth of field,reduced levels of anisotropic filtering and lower quality textures in some parts.

1080p 60FPS,with higher resolution textures in places,full resolution alpha based effects,high quality depth of field,good anisotropic filtering and higher quality textures in places..

Trials Fusion 900p on xbox one

1080p on PS4

Lego the Hobit 1080p on xbox one.

1280p on PS4 supper sample to 1080p...lol

I guess those developers were all lazy,yeah lazy lazy lazy...lol

After all the sh** you just pull from that alter account,tell me why make you think is not lack of power what do you have to prove that the xbox one is every bit as powerful as the PS4...

Well not exactly lazy, but they are not going to take the additional time and money to make both run at the same resolution.

Make no mistake about it, Xbox One is more than capable, but in the case of PS4 versions running at a higher resolution because most of those game were built using older style pc architecture, so it easy to port those over with medium setting.

This story is far from being over.

#143 Posted by clone01 (25428 posts) -
@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

It's a prediction obviously. You and anyone else should be smart enough to figure that out.

It's not our fault you can't express your intentions clearly

Is this gen ending? F' No! Therefore it's a prediction. Good Lord!

Others stupidity or arrogant shoving crap at me isn't my fault.

Stop jumping all over my shit for nothing all the time!!

Not my fault you stated it as fact, and then were unable to prove it. Perhaps be more careful about what you post

Get the F' off of my case!! Butthole!!!! You are a Monkey Boner & Child Molester! Mother F'n loser!

Inside voice.

#144 Posted by lundy86_4 (44509 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

Get the F' off of my case!! Butthole!!!! You are a Monkey Boner & Child Molester! Mother F'n loser!

Glorious.

#145 Edited by Wasdie (50838 posts) -

Do you expect any console manufacturer to speak ill about their consoles? That's just dumb.

#146 Posted by clr84651 (5557 posts) -

@clone01 said:
@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

It's a prediction obviously. You and anyone else should be smart enough to figure that out.

It's not our fault you can't express your intentions clearly

Is this gen ending? F' No! Therefore it's a prediction. Good Lord!

Others stupidity or arrogant shoving crap at me isn't my fault.

Stop jumping all over my shit for nothing all the time!!

Not my fault you stated it as fact, and then were unable to prove it. Perhaps be more careful about what you post

Get the F' off of my case!! Butthole!!!! You are a Monkey Boner & Child Molester! Mother F'n loser!

Inside voice.

You just ripped on yourself. LOL!

#147 Posted by clone01 (25428 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@clone01 said:
@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

@lostrib said:

@clr84651 said:

It's a prediction obviously. You and anyone else should be smart enough to figure that out.

It's not our fault you can't express your intentions clearly

Is this gen ending? F' No! Therefore it's a prediction. Good Lord!

Others stupidity or arrogant shoving crap at me isn't my fault.

Stop jumping all over my shit for nothing all the time!!

Not my fault you stated it as fact, and then were unable to prove it. Perhaps be more careful about what you post

Get the F' off of my case!! Butthole!!!! You are a Monkey Boner & Child Molester! Mother F'n loser!

Inside voice.

You just ripped on yourself. LOL!

How so?

#148 Posted by delta3074 (19014 posts) -

@tormentos said:

@delta3074 said:

Your own Graph shows that the division posted profits for 5 years in a row, you don't understand what the word Profit actually means do you?

'A financial benefit that is realized when the amount of revenue gained from a business activity exceeds the expenses, costs and taxes needed to sustain the activity. Any profit that is gained goes to the business's owners, who may or may not decide to spend it on the business.'

You don't count overall losses when determining profits, A company may be 3 billion in debt overall but if there incoming revenue is above what it costs to keep a company going then they are considered to be making Profit.

Example: company A is 3 billion in debt, it's overall costs for the year are 2 billion, the compnay makes 3 billion in that year which means there incoming revenue is 1 billion more than there costs are that year so they are Making Profit.

Simply put, if a company makes more Money than it pays out in operating costs then they are in Profit.

Overall debt doesn't even come into the equation.

Come on man if sony post a 100 million profits all years until 2019 still that doesn't make for all they loss with the ps3,the same apply to MS,they make profits for the last 5 years,while they loss 7+ billions in the first 7 years,so yeah they still negative on that part,the xbox brand hasn't make MS any money,is like you betting 1 million on a casino yearly for 7 years and losing them all,then the next 5 years you make back 500,000 a year on winnings,in reality you didn't win anything,you still loss half your money,basically you just got something back from what you loss.



That in no way changes what i have just said, Microsofts Xbox division has made a Profit 5 years straight by the very definition of the word so therefore Swag was telling porkies when he stated that The Xbox division had done nothing except lose money, Grenade did the stupid thing that not only proved my point right but also debunked another of Swags Genius statement, that the Xbox Brand had made a 2 billion loss, Per year, for every year since the Xbox Brand began.

It's not about how much money you lose it's about whether you can afford to lose the Money, Microsoft CAN afford to lose the money they lose, SONY cannot.

And comparing making Profit to gambling on the slot machines is a real miss, they are not even remotely the Same, Profit is not about how much Money you owe or about how much money you lose in the long run, it's about whether you make enough money to meet your running costs, if you make more Money than you spend out in running costs you are in Profit, it's as simple as that.

#149 Posted by iwasgood2u (828 posts) -

after the esram, secret sauce, dx12, cloud... jesus will appear and save the lemmings and the xbone from all evil and oblivion.

#150 Edited by lundy86_4 (44509 posts) -

@iwasgood2u said:

after the esram, secret sauce, dx12, cloud... jesus will appear and save the lemmings and the xbone from all evil and oblivion.

Well, it did happen for the PS3 :P