Lots of 3DS games are getting canceled.

[QUOTE="Zen_Light"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Actually no, because like the DS loving PSP hatershave been saying for years, the PSP specializes in "console" games on the go.

Funny how that used to be seen as a negative thing, and just might be the main reason the Vita beats out the 3DS. :lol:

xYamatox

1) The general public had no problems with the PSP, just some hardcore Nintendo fanboys had beef with it because Sony tried treading on Nintendo's turf.

2) The previous business model (that you speak of) doesn't really mean much, because the 3DS currently has very little going for it as far as games are concerned, which is 150% the reason people play handhelds.

3) Of course it's an assumption, I said the Vita MIGHT beat out the 3DS, not that it was set in stone. For all we know, Sony might drop the ball completely. However, with the 3DS in the state that it's currently in, Sony has a very nice oppurtunity to take the lead for handheld gaming (much like how the 360 overtook the PS3 this gen, despite the PS2 being a much bigger success than the original Xbox).

The general public strongly preferred the DS to the PSP because, for one reason, the DS was much more of a portable system. I'm sure you've noticed that the size of portable devices are constantly growing smaller and smaller, but look at the size of the Vita, it's huge. An Uncharted game is not going to pole vault it past the 3DS this year. You can't expect the Vita to be a resounding success based off of the talk on a gaming site that represents a very, very small portion of the gaming public.

It sucks for the 3DS. It would have done so much better if was region free because in Japan they have Layton, One Piece, Star Fox and Tales of Abyss, but NOA is ignorant so they could care less about us.

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="Zen_Light"]aka "the general public"? At least these "DS loving PSP haters" as you put it, have a previous business model to support their theory, yours is nothing more than a wild rambling personal assumption.

Zen_Light

1) The general public had no problems with the PSP, just some hardcore Nintendo fanboys had beef with it because Sony tried treading on Nintendo's turf.

2) The previous business model (that you speak of) doesn't really mean much, because the 3DS currently has very little going for it as far as games are concerned, which is 150% the reason people play handhelds.

3) Of course it's an assumption, I said the Vita MIGHT beat out the 3DS, not that it was set in stone. For all we know, Sony might drop the ball completely. However, with the 3DS in the state that it's currently in, Sony has a very nice oppurtunity to take the lead for handheld gaming (much like how the 360 overtook the PS3 this gen, despite the PS2 being a much bigger success than the original Xbox).

The general public strongly preferred the DS to the PSP because, for one reason, the DS was much more of a portable system. I'm sure you've noticed that the size of portable devices are constantly growing smaller and smaller, but look at the size of the Vita, it's huge. An Uncharted game is not going to pole vault it past the 3DS this year. You can't expect the Vita to be a resounding success based off of the talk on a gaming site that represents a very, very small portion of the gaming public.

Saying it's wrong to assume that Uncharted won't pull the Vita ahead of the 3DS (which i never once said, mind you) is about as uneducated as saying that the 3DS's holiday releases are going to be the saving grace for the 3DS. Just figured I'd throw that out there.

With that said, the fact that the DS was bought over the PSP does not mean that people didn't like the PSP, just that they didn't feel enough reason to buy a 2nd portable system. Much like the fact that the 3DS currently has poor 3rd party support, people won't find much reason to purchase the 3DS. You are relying on Nintendo's past success FAR too much. Sony did the same thing with the PS3, and they are now in 3rd place.

My point is, no one knows what's going to happen. What we do know is that the 3DS is currently not doing well, and the Vita already provides much more out of the box for a similar price range. When you take games out of the equation (which shouldn't be hard, since the 3DS doesn't currently offer much worth buying that aren't basically remakes of older games), the Vita simply looks far more promising for what it offers.

It sucks for the 3DS. It would have done so much better if was region free because in Japan they have Layton, One Piece, Star Fox and Tales of Abyss, but NOA is ignorant so they could care less about us.

HaloPimp978

NA is getting Star Fox and Tales of the Abyss.

Saying it's wrong to assume that Uncharted won't pull the Vita ahead of the 3DS (which i never once said, mind you) is about as uneducated as saying that the 3DS's holiday releases are going to be the saving grace for the 3DS. Just figured I'd throw that out there.

With that said, the fact that the DS was bought over the PSP does not mean that people didn't like the PSP, just that they didn't feel enough reason to buy a 2nd portable system. Much like the fact that the 3DS currently has poor 3rd party support, people won't find much reason to purchase the 3DS. You are relying on Nintendo's past success FAR too much. Sony did the same thing with the PS3, and they are now in 3rd place.

My point is, no one knows what's going to happen. What we do know is that the 3DS is currently not doing well, and the Vita already provides much more out of the box for a similar price range. When you take games out of the equation (which shouldn't be hard, since the 3DS doesn't currently offer much worth buying that aren't basically remakes of older games), the Vita simply looks far more promising for what it offers.

xYamatox

Uncharted doesn't push systems. Nintendo games do.

It doesn't but it's clear what the world liked a lot more. 3DS has poor third party support because it's only 4 months old (here at least.) Every system has terrible launch lineups. Jesus give the system time to get some games before criticizing it.

Much more? A second analog stick and OLED screen is much more? Pretty sure its everything the PSP was with more powerful hardware and gimmicky touch screen controls. (Now gimmick touch screen goes for both handhelds!) All the Vita has to offer so far is Uncharted and an unnamed Bioshock game.

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Another hole in the "it's not Nintendo's fault that no-one makes good games for their system" apologists: was it the third parties' fault that Nintendo wouldn't put a CD-drive on the N64, which lost them the support of Square and many other top-shelf publishers in the mid 1990s? Instead of lashing out at the world like an emo kid, I think Nintendo fanboys need to take a look at what Nintendo is doing wrong.Coolyfett

[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Another hole in the "it's not Nintendo's fault that no-one makes good games for their system" apologists: was it the third parties' fault that Nintendo wouldn't put a CD-drive on the N64, which lost them the support of Square and many other top-shelf publishers in the mid 1990s? Instead of lashing out at the world like an emo kid, I think Nintendo fanboys need to take a look at what Nintendo is doing wrong.Timstuff

HD visuals was a gimmick and it sold 2 consoles :| Motion controls were a gimmick and yet look at who's playing follow the leader now.

They went after causals, by far the biggest market. It wasn't an accident, it was all correctly planned.

If 3D demand was in decline, why are all TVs moving towards being 3D?

[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Another hole in the "it's not Nintendo's fault that no-one makes good games for their system" apologists: was it the third parties' fault that Nintendo wouldn't put a CD-drive on the N64, which lost them the support of Square and many other top-shelf publishers in the mid 1990s? Instead of lashing out at the world like an emo kid, I think Nintendo fanboys need to take a look at what Nintendo is doing wrong.Timstuff

Which kinda doesn't fit in with your "only nintendo games sell" argument when it comes to their handhelds

Shall we reveal all the PS3 games that were either cancelled or went multi-plat? :|

Funny. The only decent sounding game on that list was Mega Man Legends 3.

The rest are either shovelware crap, or games that don't need to be milked to eternity. (Assassin's Creed.)

As soon as Nintendo starts releasing their big games, people will start buying. (Kid Icarus, Super Mario 3DS, Paper Mario, ect.

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Saying it's wrong to assume that Uncharted won't pull the Vita ahead of the 3DS (which i never once said, mind you) is about as uneducated as saying that the 3DS's holiday releases are going to be the saving grace for the 3DS. Just figured I'd throw that out there.

With that said, the fact that the DS was bought over the PSP does not mean that people didn't like the PSP, just that they didn't feel enough reason to buy a 2nd portable system. Much like the fact that the 3DS currently has poor 3rd party support, people won't find much reason to purchase the 3DS. You are relying on Nintendo's past success FAR too much. Sony did the same thing with the PS3, and they are now in 3rd place.

My point is, no one knows what's going to happen. What we do know is that the 3DS is currently not doing well, and the Vita already provides much more out of the box for a similar price range. When you take games out of the equation (which shouldn't be hard, since the 3DS doesn't currently offer much worth buying that aren't basically remakes of older games), the Vita simply looks far more promising for what it offers.

ChubbyGuy40

Uncharted doesn't push systems. Nintendo games do.

It doesn't but it's clear what the world liked a lot more. 3DS has poor third party support because it's only 4 months old (here at least.) Every system has terrible launch lineups. Jesus give the system time to get some games before criticizing it.

Much more? A second analog stick and OLED screen is much more? Pretty sure its everything the PSP was with more powerful hardware and gimmicky touch screen controls. (Now gimmick touch screen goes for both handhelds!) All the Vita has to offer so far is Uncharted and an unnamed Bioshock game.

...

And a Killzone game

and a LittleB Big Planet game

and a Call of Duty game

and a Hideo Kojima game

and Street Fighter X Tekken

and Modnation Racers

and an Assassin's Creed game

and a Mortal Kombat game

^^ I'd say the Vita has a pretty good lineup of games before it is even released. Nothing says these games won't be canceled in the future, but so far this is the list that has been confirmed for the Vita, and the system isn't even out yet.Not too shabby, to say the least.

Looking at that list it doesn't look like the 3ds lost anything important. :P

Looking at that list it doesn't look like the 3ds lost anything important. :P

theuncharted34

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Looking at that list it doesn't look like the 3ds lost anything important. :P

soulitane

All it needs is Paper mario. :P

[QUOTE="lordlors"]3DS is also catering to gaming enthusiasts just like Vita is even though Vita is more powerful so why are you saying Vita is trying for a different demographic player? Also, most devs that make core games don't make shovelware so i don't see what shovelware has to do with the devs who make core games. If shovelware is the key to moving hardware then why does 3DS already have better sales than DS' first months. Can you explain why?Coolyfett

PSV & 3DS supporters are two different animals. Yea they both play games, but what kind of games? What kind of experience? What adult will say "hey look at my 3D game system with no glasses" in public? Where as the PSV someone could easily look over your shoulder and see how cool it is. Nintendo & Mario go hand in hand. Its like Peanut Butter & Jelly. If Coolyfett saw a male his age sitting in an airport playing Mario on a 3DS he would probably laugh. Now a girl playing a 3DS is different. The 3DS is one of those things where its just weird...like a man purse or pink or yellow polo shirts on a date. Yea its not against the law, but strange. There is nothing really strange about the PSV.

Sorry for the double post, but this ^^ has so much fail, I don't even know where to begin.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Looking at that list it doesn't look like the 3ds lost anything important. :P

theuncharted34

All it needs is Paper mario. :P

[QUOTE="lordlors"]3DS is also catering to gaming enthusiasts just like Vita is even though Vita is more powerful so why are you saying Vita is trying for a different demographic player? Also, most devs that make core games don't make shovelware so i don't see what shovelware has to do with the devs who make core games. If shovelware is the key to moving hardware then why does 3DS already have better sales than DS' first months. Can you explain why?Coolyfett

PSV & 3DS supporters are two different animals. Yea they both play games, but what kind of games? What kind of experience? What adult will say "hey look at my 3D game system with no glasses" in public? Where as the PSV someone could easily look over your shoulder and see how cool it is. Nintendo & Mario go hand in hand. Its like Peanut Butter & Jelly. If Coolyfett saw a male his age sitting in an airport playing Mario on a 3DS he would probably laugh. Now a girl playing a 3DS is different. The 3DS is one of those things where its just weird...like a man purse or pink or yellow polo shirts on a date. Yea its not against the law, but strange. There is nothing really strange about the PSV.

Are you series?

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

Saying it's wrong to assume that Uncharted won't pull the Vita ahead of the 3DS (which i never once said, mind you) is about as uneducated as saying that the 3DS's holiday releases are going to be the saving grace for the 3DS. Just figured I'd throw that out there.

With that said, the fact that the DS was bought over the PSP does not mean that people didn't like the PSP, just that they didn't feel enough reason to buy a 2nd portable system. Much like the fact that the 3DS currently has poor 3rd party support, people won't find much reason to purchase the 3DS. You are relying on Nintendo's past success FAR too much. Sony did the same thing with the PS3, and they are now in 3rd place.

My point is, no one knows what's going to happen. What we do know is that the 3DS is currently not doing well, and the Vita already provides much more out of the box for a similar price range. When you take games out of the equation (which shouldn't be hard, since the 3DS doesn't currently offer much worth buying that aren't basically remakes of older games), the Vita simply looks far more promising for what it offers.

xYamatox

Uncharted doesn't push systems. Nintendo games do.

It doesn't but it's clear what the world liked a lot more. 3DS has poor third party support because it's only 4 months old (here at least.) Every system has terrible launch lineups. Jesus give the system time to get some games before criticizing it.

Much more? A second analog stick and OLED screen is much more? Pretty sure its everything the PSP was with more powerful hardware and gimmicky touch screen controls. (Now gimmick touch screen goes for both handhelds!) All the Vita has to offer so far is Uncharted and an unnamed Bioshock game.

...

And a Killzone game

and a LittleB Big Planet game

and a Call of Duty game

and a Hideo Kojima game

and Street Fighter X Tekken

and Modnation Racers

and an Assassin's Creed game

and a Mortal Kombat game

^^ I'd say the Vita has a pretty good lineup of games before it is even released. Nothing says these games won't be canceled in the future, but so far this is the list that has been confirmed for the Vita, and the system isn't even out yet.Not too shabby, to say the least.

So some mediocre shooters, a good game, a game that hasn't been completely announced, and some multi-platform games.

Yep...

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="Coolyfett"]Tim with respect man, Coolyfett does not feel they have to ability to do that. The way you are owning these guys on this thread is really sad. Why is the 3DS such a flopping failure? Asking Timstuff only.

ChubbyGuy40

HD visuals was a gimmick and it sold 2 consoles :| Motion controls were a gimmick and yet look at who's playing follow the leader now.

They went after causals, by far the biggest market. It wasn't an accident, it was all correctly planned.

If 3D demand was in decline, why are all TVs moving towards being 3D?

^^ I'd say the Vita has a pretty good lineup of games before it is even released. Nothing says these games won't be canceled in the future, but so far this is the list that has been confirmed for the Vita, and the system isn't even out yet.Not too shabby, to say the least.

xYamatox

You were talking about Uncharted, not future releases. There's a big list for the 3DS also.

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] But how can it survive without saints row :cry:soulitane

All it needs is Paper mario. :P

[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="soulitane"] But how can it survive without saints row :cry:soulitane

All it needs is Paper mario. :P

I will make it a goal to play that game by the end of the year. :P

Shall we reveal all the PS3 games that were either cancelled or went multi-plat? :|

Zophar87

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

Shall we reveal all the PS3 games that were either cancelled or went multi-plat? :|

Timstuff

Shall we reveal all the PS3 games that were either cancelled or went multi-platform in it's first three months?

I will make it a goal to play that game by the end of the year. :Ptheuncharted34

Shall we reveal all the PS3 games that were either cancelled or went multi-plat? :|

Zophar87

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

Shall we reveal all the PS3 games that were either cancelled or went multi-plat? :|

tomarlyn

I'm not saying anything about the 3DS.

I just like it when a Sony fanboy openly attacks the 3DS and seems to forgot his own console..

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Uncharted doesn't push systems. Nintendo games do.

It doesn't but it's clear what the world liked a lot more. 3DS has poor third party support because it's only 4 months old (here at least.) Every system has terrible launch lineups. Jesus give the system time to get some games before criticizing it.

Much more? A second analog stick and OLED screen is much more? Pretty sure its everything the PSP was with more powerful hardware and gimmicky touch screen controls. (Now gimmick touch screen goes for both handhelds!) All the Vita has to offer so far is Uncharted and an unnamed Bioshock game.

Zophar87

...

And a Killzone game

and a LittleB Big Planet game

and a Call of Duty game

and a Hideo Kojima game

and Street Fighter X Tekken

and Modnation Racers

and an Assassin's Creed game

and a Mortal Kombat game

^^ I'd say the Vita has a pretty good lineup of games before it is even released. Nothing says these games won't be canceled in the future, but so far this is the list that has been confirmed for the Vita, and the system isn't even out yet.Not too shabby, to say the least.

So some mediocre shooters, a good game, a game that hasn't been completely announced, and some multi-platform games.

Yep...

And the 3DS has brought what to the table, exactly...?A decent remake of a 10+ year old game, a port to a fighter that has been milked for years now, and a bunch of crappy games. Sounds like the 3DS is a real winner thus far... :roll:

I'm not saying one is going to better than the other, all I am stating is that the Vita has a chance of overthrowing the 3DS. Sorry if this concept is hard to grasp, but it is possible, and not as unlikely as some want to think.

This is stupid, this just means Nintendos lineup has become even more Mario dependent... Embarrassing to say the least.JohnF111

Maybe so, but it still sells the system. People enjoy playing Mario and Nintendo keeps pumping out new and original releases for the little guy.

Isn't that all that really matters?

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

^^ I'd say the Vita has a pretty good lineup of games before it is even released. Nothing says these games won't be canceled in the future, but so far this is the list that has been confirmed for the Vita, and the system isn't even out yet.Not too shabby, to say the least.

ChubbyGuy40

You were talking about Uncharted, not future releases. There's a big list for the 3DS also.

Last I checked, Uncharted is still a future release...

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="Zophar87"]

Shall we reveal all the PS3 games that were either cancelled or went multi-plat? :|

Zophar87

I'm not saying anything about the 3DS.

I just like it when a Sony fanboy openly attacks the 3DS and seems to forgot his own console..

HD was not a gimmick, because HD was a paradigm shift in TV technology. If it was a "gimmick," the FCC would not have phased out analog broadcasting to make room for the new HD digital signals. Sony and Microsoft wanted to keep up with the new standard for image quality, while Nintendo was content to stick with the same old 480 lines of resolution that had been around for half a century. Once you've adjusted to HD there is no going back. Also, Nintendo went after the casual market with the Gamecube, except that they failed that time because all they did was make a dumbed-down Xbox. With Wii, Nintendo got lucky because "Play the game with your whole body!" was a much bigger marketing success than the "It's just like those other systems except with less stuff to confuse you!" approach they took with the Gamecube. They had a new, compelling gameplay feature that people got excited for. To the general public, the 3DS is basically a DS that's trying to ride on Avatar's coat tails, and the Wii-U is a Wii that's trying to ride on the iPad's coat tails. As soon as Nintendo found two unique gimmicks that no-one else was exploiting, they went back to chasing trends that other companies had already made popular. And lastly, 3D TVs are not selling well, and I do not see them catching on in the long haul. The manufacturers are getting more and more desperate to sell them, but the public is not biting, and even if every TV from this day forward was shipped as "3D-ready" I do not see people paying $100 a pair for active shutter glasses and $10 more for 3D Blu-ray movies than their 2D counterparts. 3D is already old news, and I do not think we are ever going to see the nightly news broadcast in stereoscopic 3D. It will still have a place for the occasional marketing gimmick or theme park attraction, but in the home and at the box office, 2D will remain king.Timstuff

You don't remember people calling HD a gimmick do you? Even a few enthusiasts referred to it as one. Not to mention the actual image quality of HD sets were ABSOLUTELY bad. Very, very bad.

Phase out analog broadcasting in favor of digital. Free up the wireless spectrum. The amount of TVs that had their own internal convertors made analog amount seem worthless to keep supporting.

HD was not standard by any means in 2005 or 2006. Staying SD still made sense then. Plus look at all the recent exclusives. Half of them don't even run in 720p. I agree with you that once you go to HD you don't go back, which is why I want consoles next gen to have 1080p60 as standard. That's why I play my Wii games in HD.

No the Wii was the console that shot at the casuals. If Gamecube was that console, then it would've sold a hell of a lot more than a mere 20ish million. Not to mention the game selection speaks for itself.

To the public, the 3DS is a new machine that has 3D. Sorry but Avatar's 3D effect in theaters was laughable. Sorry, but the Wii-U is no iPad imitator. It actually has buttons and games. You do know everything iPad does, was done by HP back in 2002 right? Difference? HP didn't market it like it's the second-comming of Jesus.

They exploited trends that other companies made popular? So why did Sony drop Eyetoy support and Microsoft try to imitate that? Why did Sony decide to make a Move wand? Nintendo made motion controls popular with the way they work. Got any more excuses why Nintendo won this generation or are you gonna keep trying to make them look bad?

Uh, yeah they are. All high-end TVs are 3D. They're now moving into the cheaper sets as a standard. If that's not selling well then damn I don't know what is! Sorry, but it's becomming the standard no matter how "you" see it.

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

...

And a Killzone game

and a LittleB Big Planet game

and a Call of Duty game

and a Hideo Kojima game

and Street Fighter X Tekken

and Modnation Racers

and an Assassin's Creed game

and a Mortal Kombat game

^^ I'd say the Vita has a pretty good lineup of games before it is even released. Nothing says these games won't be canceled in the future, but so far this is the list that has been confirmed for the Vita, and the system isn't even out yet.Not too shabby, to say the least.

xYamatox

So some mediocre shooters, a good game, a game that hasn't been completely announced, and some multi-platform games.

Yep...

And the 3DS has brought what to the table, exactly...?A decent remake of a 10+ year old game, a port to a fighter that has been milked for years now, and a bunch of crappy games. Sounds like the 3DS is a real winner thus far... :roll:

I'm not saying one is going to better than the other, all I am stating is that the Vita has a chance of overthrowing the 3DS. Sorry if this concept is hard to grasp, but it is possible, and not as unlikely as some want to think.

So you're going to compare the games the 3DS already has to Vita games that are in development, but you're going to neglect the monsterous first-party lineup that the 3DS has coming this year?

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

So some mediocre shooters, a good game, a game that hasn't been completely announced, and some multi-platform games.

Yep...

Zophar87

And the 3DS has brought what to the table, exactly...?A decent remake of a 10+ year old game, a port to a fighter that has been milked for years now, and a bunch of crappy games. Sounds like the 3DS is a real winner thus far... :roll:

I'm not saying one is going to better than the other, all I am stating is that the Vita has a chance of overthrowing the 3DS. Sorry if this concept is hard to grasp, but it is possible, and not as unlikely as some want to think.

So you're going to compare the games the 3DS already has to Vita games that are in development, but you're going to neglect the monsterous first-party lineup that the 3DS has coming this year?

As opposed to ignoreing the 1st party potential that the PSVita has? It works both ways.

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

[QUOTE="tomarlyn"] Yeah and it made the PS3 not worth owning for quite a while, among other problems. So what are you trying to say about the 3DS? I think everyone knows the 3DS will get better like the PS3 did, but right now its a bit floppy with its own share of problems.tomarlyn

I'm not saying anything about the 3DS.

I just like it when a Sony fanboy openly attacks the 3DS and seems to forgot his own console..

I'm favoring the 3DS? No, not really, just stating facts.. I know the 3DS had a bad launch and it hasn't exactly gotten better for the system.

Anyway, Never once did I not admit that the 3DS "hit the same bump in the road."

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

And the 3DS has brought what to the table, exactly...?A decent remake of a 10+ year old game, a port to a fighter that has been milked for years now, and a bunch of crappy games. Sounds like the 3DS is a real winner thus far... :roll:

I'm not saying one is going to better than the other, all I am stating is that the Vita has a chance of overthrowing the 3DS. Sorry if this concept is hard to grasp, but it is possible, and not as unlikely as some want to think.

xYamatox

So you're going to compare the games the 3DS already has to Vita games that are in development, but you're going to neglect the monsterous first-party lineup that the 3DS has coming this year?

As opposed to ignoreing the 1st party potential that the PSVita has? It works both ways.

Other than LBP Uncharted, and some mediocre shooters? Yeah, as great as both of those games are, they don't "sell the system" for me.

This post is so spot on!! The GBA had no real competition, Wii,GC & 64 didnt have good 3rd parties, so the top 3 systems from Nintendo is NES, SNES & DS. Coolyfett doesnt want Nintendo was out of biz, just wish they would grow up & stop making games for the milton bradley crowd.

Coolyfett

Wii didn't have good 3rd party support? This has got to be the biggest misconception of the Wii. It didn't have big-name multiplat support. Half of my Wii games are made by third parties :|

So what games do you want them to make? The only ones that fit into that description really are the "Wii" IP games. The rest are still core Nintendo games. Are you too insecure about playing those games?

[QUOTE="xYamatox"]

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

So you're going to compare the games the 3DS already has to Vita games that are in development, but you're going to neglect the monsterous first-party lineup that the 3DS has coming this year?

Zophar87

As opposed to ignoreing the 1st party potential that the PSVita has? It works both ways.

Other than LBP Uncharted, and some mediocre shooters? Yeah, as great as both of those games are, they don't "sell the system" for me.

And Mario doesn't sell a system for me, either. What's your point?

While it may be unfair to compare the Vita's announced lineup with the 3DS' current lineup, there really isn't much else to go on. All of Vita's upcoming games have potential to be great, while the 3DS has already shown it's having a rough start (this is a fact. Not one AAA game that I've seen as of yet).

Both have potential for great thing, but the 3DS isn't helping itself with how poorly it's launch titles are being received. Also, don't expect that just because a game has Mario in it means it will score 10/10 and sell millions. And before you bring up that Mario will sell despite what score it may get, all I have to say is, "Call of Duty". I'm not hyped for it, but it is the biggest selling franchise in gaming history, and so far the Vita is the only one of the two handhelds with a Call of Duty game in development, and has a much better chance of being just like the console adaptation (unlike the poorly made DS versions).

I'm looking forward to the Vita more than the 3DS, but I am no way "hating" on Nintendo just to troll. I'm just going by the facts that we currently know without relying on past successes of a system as means of justifying a purchase.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]This is stupid, this just means Nintendos lineup has become even more Mario dependent... Embarrassing to say the least.Coolyfett

While I agree that relying soley on Mario is a bad concept to have (seeing as I am not a huge Mario fan, personally), there is nothing wrong with being excited about Mario.

It seems you can't comprehend. I'm simply saying devs will make games on smartphones but not like the games you play on handhelds no matter how strong the hardware of smartphones will get. If anything, smartphones are doing a favor to 3DS/Vita because casual games and trashy games will appear less on the two platforms and migrate to smartphones while core games will remain on the handhelds.lordlors

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[QUOTE="JohnF111"]This is stupid, this just means Nintendos lineup has become even more Mario dependent... Embarrassing to say the least.xYamatox

While I agree that relying soley on Mario is a bad concept to have (seeing as I am not a huge Mario fan, personally), there is nothing wrong with being excited about Mario.

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]This is stupid, this just means Nintendos lineup has become even more Mario dependent... Embarrassing to say the least.Coolyfett