Lords of the Fallen: Xbone 900p, PS4 1080p. Confirmed

I admitted to loving Microsoft.. You guys can have your Mac's and jellybeans. :p

Where does it say that the X1 is using all threads?

One of the greatest challenges the engineers have to deal with is memory management, or thread management. There are X number of threads in your CPUs. Where in those threads is the stuff that's Microsoft or Sony? Where does it fall? How does it work? We don't have the SDKs for those features yet, and then they come in and you go, okay, well it needs 3MB of RAM - oh, crap, we only allocated two! You can't just take a MB from anywhere. It's not like there's just tonnes of it just laying there. You have to pull it from something else. And now you have to balance that somewhere.It becomes a massive change internally for our entire engine, if they add a few MB to the amount of resources they need, or if they require all their processes to be on one thread. If it's not multi-threaded then we have to put it on one thread. Now we have to find space on one thread, where that can live, that it's not creating a traffic jam on that thread. Sometimes we have to be like, okay, we have to move all this stuff over to a different thread and then put that in to that thread, just to manage traffic.That's what engineers are often doing: managing the traffic of CPU threads and memory and where that's going, allocating memory, what kind of memory is it? Is it dynamic? Sometimes what has to happen is we have to allocate the 3MB straight off the bat and just say, these 3MB, specifically, these actual memory addresses, have to be used for this. They can't be used anywhere else. Whereas dynamic, it's like, okay, I need 3MB but it doesn't matter where those 3MB come from.

STFU dude....

EDIT: That article sound like they have DX12 tools at their disposal.... No they are fighting for thread use. Not using them evenly.

oh man this thread is meltdown central

@b4x said:

@lostrib said:

oh man this thread is meltdown central

Are you trying to say that you're a belligerent drunk who likes starting fights at children's games?

@tormentos: Read that SLOWLY..... See where the guy says DX11........... METRO developer....

EDIT: How do you load ONE cpu core with DX12..... You don't...smart guy.

Digital Foundry: DirectX 11 vs GNMX vs GNM - what's your take on the strengths and weakness of the APIs available to developers with Xbox One and PlayStation 4? Closer to launch there were some complaints about XO driver performance and CPU overhead on GNMX.

Oles Shishkovstov: Let's put it that way - we have seen scenarios where a single CPU core was fully loaded just by issuing draw-calls on Xbox One (and that's surely on the 'mono' driver with several fast-path calls utilised). Then, the same scenario on PS4, it was actually difficult to find those draw-calls in the profile graphs, because they are using almost no time and are barely visible as a result.In general - I don't really get why they choose DX11 as a starting point for the console. It's a console! Why care about some legacy stuff at all? On PS4, most GPU commands are just a few DWORDs written into the command buffer, let's say just a few CPU clock cycles. On Xbox One it easily could be one million times slower because of all the bookkeeping the API does.But Microsoft is not sleeping, really. Each XDK that has been released both before and after the Xbox One launch has brought faster and faster draw-calls to the table. They added tons of features just to work around limitations of the DX11 API model. They even made a DX12/GNM style do-it-yourself API available - although we didn't ship with it on Redux due to time constraints.

@scottpsfan14: that's cool you've tried Linux. which one did you try?

it is pretty hard to get use to. whenever i install a distro, the first thing i do is assign something useful to the Winkey, like bringing up an application finder of some kind, similar to the windows start menu.

but before you know it you'll be mkdir ~/.pr0n

You are not reading you are just replying like a moron..

Where does it say there that the xbox one use 2 threads.?

Digital Foundry: DirectX 11 vs GNMX vs GNM - what's your take on the strengths and weakness of the APIs available to developers with Xbox One and PlayStation 4? Closer to launch there were some complaints about XO driver performance and CPU overhead on GNMX.

Oles Shishkovstov: Let's put it that way - we have seen scenarios where a single CPU core was fully loaded just by issuing draw-calls on Xbox One (and that's surely on the 'mono' driver with several fast-path calls utilised). Then, the same scenario on PS4, it was actually difficult to find those draw-calls in the profile graphs, because they are using almost no time and are barely visible as a result.http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-metro-redux-what-its-really-like-to-make-a-multi-platform-game

Didn't you claim the xbox one wasn't even using cores.? 1 full core on draw calls alone,when on PS4 that same job was barely any CPU time.?

Man you don't win one...

Let's quote the whole article dumb ass.

Read that SLOWLY..... See where the guy says DX11........... METRO developer....

EDIT: How do you load just ONE cpu core with DX12..... You don't...smart guy. You load evenly in DX12 or you don't load at all.

I love this part stupid. "They even made a DX12/GNM style do-it-yourself API available - although we didn't ship with it on Redux due to time constraints."

If that's the case.... How is it DX12?

EDIT: These Developers clearly state the SDK is DX11. They're wrong...?

Loading a single CPU core in DX12 is not possible......

Digital Foundry: DirectX 11 vs GNMX vs GNM - what's your take on the strengths and weakness of the APIs available to developers with Xbox One and PlayStation 4? Closer to launch there were some complaints about XO driver performance and CPU overhead on GNMX.

Oles Shishkovstov: Let's put it that way - we have seen scenarios where a single CPU core was fully loaded just by issuing draw-calls on Xbox One (and that's surely on the 'mono' driver with several fast-path calls utilised). Then, the same scenario on PS4, it was actually difficult to find those draw-calls in the profile graphs, because they are using almost no time and are barely visible as a result.In general - I don't really get why they choose DX11 as a starting point for the console. It's a console! Why care about some legacy stuff at all? On PS4, most GPU commands are just a few DWORDs written into the command buffer, let's say just a few CPU clock cycles. On Xbox One it easily could be one million times slower because of all the bookkeeping the API does.But Microsoft is not sleeping, really. Each XDK that has been released both before and after the Xbox One launch has brought faster and faster draw-calls to the table. They added tons of features just to work around limitations of the DX11 API model. They even made a DX12/GNM style do-it-yourself API available - although we didn't ship with it on Redux due to time constraints.

@scottpsfan14: that's a good trick to use the linux distro to fix a windows install, sometimes she's a godsend.

Pinguy, maybe i'll try that this weekend. give us more to talk about :D

very cool stuff man, here's some more #respect

@tormentos: This is DirectX12.... Do those articles about games on the X1 reflect what DX12 does? Read them slowly... They both talk about loading single cpu threads. To me it looks like they didn't have DX tools available. It's just developers talking....Right?

@scottpsfan14: Macs are trash? Oh boy, someone super jelly.

I guess the PS4 version has extra fog and less detail to achieve 1080p again.

So glad I game on my ONE instead of settling on some hunk of shit sold on hype and false promises.

Yeah that is the latest SDK which is the one Sniper Elite 3 use how that went.?

MS already has a GNM api i already state this on another thread hell i think it was in this one as well,the tool is there so yeah DX12 is already on xbox one,so yeah i am right there is no DX12 coming in 2015 is already here and developers are using it.

Oh by the way sony isn't staying static either and PS4 tools are also improving...

http://gamingbolt.com/ps4-ice-team-programmer-surface-tilingdetiling-on-the-cpu-is-10-100x-faster-now

Not only is the xbox one using all cores is also using all threads its CPU like the PS4 are weak sauce CPU compare to PC,hell even compare to Cell that Jaguar is easier and more advance but weaker specially in post process department.

Stop making stupid post and owning your self.

Show me 100% facts that the no name SniperE guys had access to the tools that The Metro guys didn't...... SE came out before Metro.

Microsoft....... came in late with the DO-IT-YOURSELF DirectX12 tools. That the Metro developers couldn't use due to time constraints.

You're so full of shit...

EDIT: Both articles just said they were not using the DX12 tool set... What don't you understand?

The developers are overloading single cores to complete tasks. Sometimes jamming them full.

I'm just joshing ya. Nowadays there is no advantage to using them over a Windows based PC. The days of Mac being dominate in the graphics and video production industries are long gone. Windows is now far more stable than it once was. The price you pay for a Mac will net you quite a good workstation PC. And if you want serious power then a Windows Workstation is the only place you are going to get it. The new Mac Pro's aren't that great, everything is external and for some strange reason they come with AMD GPU's instead of Nvidia ones. A highly illogical choice when you consider that Nvidia has invested millions in developing its CUDA API for video and other design programs.

Fact of the matter is, its all down to personal preference. Sure a group of iMacs does look fucking awesome but there is no technological advantage to using them.

@tormentos: You know who did get the do it your self kit late...but still made time to use it....

Bungie.

@clyde46: post 270 was great. ty.

Apple are not retards. They are or were very smart and utterly ruthless. They muscled their way into a lot of sectors and completely bitch slapped the competition. Whether you like their products or not, you cannot dispute that what Apple has done as a company is nothing short of genius (pun not intended). Yes there have been underhanded tactics but that is business and what better way to show your dominance of a sector than by driving your competition to the wall. Apple are a brand, that is why they sell so well. Same as Nike or Adidas, they make you want their products.

However, even though I'm a bit of a Apple fanboy ( I have an iPhone 5s, an iPad 3, an iMac 27in and a Macbook Pro 17in) I do admit that Apple have their faults and boy do they have a lot of them. Since Jobs died the company has been treading water. They lost their bite that made their competitors cower in fear. You look at the smart phone market, the market where Apple stormed in with the original iPhone and murdered everything else on the market, in today's market Apple have been caught slipping. Samsung have smacked them around with the Galaxy line and I've yet to see Apple provide a decent response. The iPhone 6 is a farce. Its taken Apple so dam long to respond to the changing market, people wanted a larger iPhone for years. The original 5 was a disappointment in that fact. It lacked the features that other phones did, it has worse specs than other phones did and it was more expensive than most more feature ready phones were at the time.

At the end of the day, Apple is not going anywhere. Yes Apple products are see in a almost godlike way but to the trained eye, the pretty aluminum body and fancy store fronts are only there to cover the fact that Apple are actually quite far behind the technology curve. That being said, I will never use a Android phone ever again. Say what you want about Apples use of hardware but their software is a dream to use.

@scottpsfan14: And Windows is not locked and controlled as well?

1440p Ultra settings @120 fps confirmed PC.

Graphics + Gameplay > Gameplay

Another quality B4X meltdown.

But you have an Xbone, Justin. Come to think of it, the Xbone struggles with filters and DOF.

The ESRAM is nothing particularly advanced. Just a pain in the ass barrier most devs won't bother with.

Enjoy that gap, Crypt0II7. It's not really going away.

But, you can tell the difference between a 180hp engine and a 270hp engine. A lot of people can't really tell the difference between 720p and 1080p; far more can't tell the difference between 900p and 1080p.

A debate between 900p and 1080p barely rises to the level of trivial.

It's not a barrier. It's a way to "get around" other hardware limitations.

Jean-Baptiste Bolcato, Senior Producer, said to Gaming Bolt: “eSRAM is easy to use. Part of the problem is that it’s just a little bit too small to output 1080p within that size. It’s such a small size within there that we can’t do everything in 1080p; with that little buffer of super-fast RAM.”

The producer is speaking about the criticism of Microsoft’s choice to utilise a smaller but faster type of RAM - which when used in combination with the console’s DDR3 RAM - can provide a higher bandwidth capable of 204GB/s (For comparison, PS4's DDR5 has a max throughput of 176GB/s.)

Many developers have not had the experience in dealing with such an (initially) small pool of memory – especially when doing everything in 1080p. It is possible, as Microsoft themselves have shown in first-party title Forza 5 which also runs at the targetted 60fps.

They [Microsoft] are releasing a new SDK that’s much faster and we will be comfortably running at 1080p on Xbox One. We were worried six months ago and we are not anymore, it’s got better and they are quite comparable machines.”

http://www.developer-tech.com/news/2014/feb/17/xbox-one-1080p-comfortably-sdk-update-says-rebellion/

STFU Rebellion Sniper Elite was the poster child of parity the developers lemmings like you and Ronvalencia quoted all the time to claim parity was coming and that the new SDK would deliver.

Rebellions game did use the latest SDK is already stated by them so stop your crying blackace and take it like a man.

It came late to THEM Sniper Elite 3 was a new game,not a port like Metro is.

You are a moron DX12 = MS console API on PC...hahaha

I already proved that,with Forza on PC demo which tools were pull directly from the XBO..hahaha

Yeah and this developer who games came after Bungie hasn't right.?

So what is the excuse for Lord of the fallen been 900p.? It comes in October 31 way after bungie will you will you claim they didn't got it in time.?

hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

No the xbox one doesn't have all features and will not because some of DX12 features require new hardware like maxwell from Nvidia has,which the xbox one GPU totally lack.

Yeah necessary doesn't = optimal Only Maxwell is the only GPU on PC with full hardware support for DX12 and that one is new,that is because MS will probably do an official release for the api which will be symbolic more than anything because DX12 has always been there,hell it was there on xbox 360 since launch,you people are just to blind to see what DX12 is,any one claiming DX12 is coming to xbox one is a moron,is already there it has always been there DX12 is MS console API on PC what i quote just proved that..

Let me tell you this again and for the 100 time,anything the XBO can do by API the PS4 can do it as well faster,they have the same hardware period same GPU same CPU the only difference is the PS4 GPU is stronger period.

There will never be a game on PS4 that the xbox one can't run slower or at lower resolution,there is not a single game on xbox one that the PS4 can't run faster if the hardware is push.

It's a barrier to development and a way to get around the fact MS designed a cable box, indeed. 8)

LMAO, most of the features are already on it and the Xbone's as custom made as the PS4 is. Be less delusional, Slow Robert. DX12 is not saving the Xbone.

Yeah they also say games would speak for them self on launch,they also say their CPU could see data on ESRAM,they also say you get diminishing returns if you use more than 14CU GPU.

They say allot of shit and lies to make people like you byte into the console,MS was all about appearances,they didn't care about power this gen until people begin to complain,then they change their vision from DRM,TV and kinect, and try to focus on making the xbox one seeing stronger than it is,late up clock,cloud,DX12,the only way MS can really increase performance is by rising the clock speed again or unlocking the 2 dead CU the xbox one has,there is no other way,the rest of the things are cosmetic which will barely improve anything.

Fact is that they openly lie about their CPU having a connection with ESRAM which some months ago was let slit silently into one of their presentation,the CPU has no ESRAM access at all.Why MS would lie about something so stupid you may ask.?

Because by that time there rumors were that the xbox one wasn't true HSA design like the PS4,because it had 2 memory address and ESRAM was off limits to the CPU,this may seen like nothing to you,but it isn't because it means the xbox one has to wasted bandwidth between copy and paste of the same data over and over again,when the PS4 doesn't have this issues.

Digital Foundry: And you have CPU read access to the ESRAM, right? This wasn't available on Xbox 360 eDRAM.

Nick Baker: We do but it's very slow.

They lied in the hotships convention and they lie to DF,the CPU on XBO has no access to ESRAM like VGleaks documents showed since it was leak and MS confirmed it months latter after launch.

Is funny the part in quoted which you are disputing state very clear that the PC version of Forza 5 was running slower,but when they used DX12 tool FROM the xbox one the game was running smooth,what does that tell.?

Yeah that the tools that bring the performance upgrade to PC are already inside the xbox one..lol

So yeah forgive me for not believing it,DX12 is first on xbox one than PC,and is not complete because hardware features are not compatible with it,just like DX10 on xbox 360.

@tormentos said:

@FastRobby said:

Microsoft already said that Xbox One will have FULL DX12. But keep dreaming cow. PS4 is a low-end PC, Xbox One is custom made. I'm tired of this discussion, multiple users already proved you wrong, but now I've got better things to do. Like FIFA 15.

Yeah they also say games would speak for them self on launch,they also say their CPU could see data on ESRAM,they also say you get diminishing returns if you use more than 14CU GPU.

They say allot of shit and lies to make people like you byte into the console,MS was all about appearances,they didn't care about power this gen until people begin to complain,then they change their vision from DRM,TV and kinect, and try to focus on making the xbox one seeing stronger than it is,late up clock,cloud,DX12,the only way MS can really increase performance is by rising the clock speed again or unlocking the 2 dead CU the xbox one has,there is no other way,the rest of the things are cosmetic which will barely improve anything.

Fact is that they openly lie about their CPU having a connection with ESRAM which some months ago was let slit silently into one of their presentation,the CPU has no ESRAM access at all.Why MS would lie about something so stupid you may ask.?

Because by that time there rumors were that the xbox one wasn't true HSA design like the PS4,because it had 2 memory address and ESRAM was off limits to the CPU,this may seen like nothing to you,but it isn't because it means the xbox one has to wasted bandwidth between copy and paste of the same data over and over again,when the PS4 doesn't have this issues.

Digital Foundry: And you have CPU read access to the ESRAM, right? This wasn't available on Xbox 360 eDRAM.

Nick Baker: We do but it's very slow.

They lied in the hotships convention and they lie to DF,the CPU on XBO has no access to ESRAM like VGleaks documents showed since it was leak and MS confirmed it months latter after launch.

Is funny the part in quoted which you are disputing state very clear that the PC version of Forza 5 was running slower,but when they used DX12 tool FROM the xbox one the game was running smooth,what does that tell.?

Yeah that the tools that bring the performance upgrade to PC are already inside the xbox one..lol

So yeah forgive me for not believing it,DX12 is first on xbox one than PC,and is not complete because hardware features are not compatible with it,just like DX10 on xbox 360.

Diminishing returns is a real thing.

Cant believe there is nearly 300 posts talking about 180p.

Console exclusive games/services/experiance>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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and to that SDC.

you forgot to mention that "180p" means 33% more pixels on screen.

And that full 1080p means that the game isn't displayed with the Xbox One's busted-ass upscaler.

Honestly I hope they can fix this defferences between resolution. I know LotF is not a first game which have a problems to achieve 1080p on XBOX ONE. I think Microsoft do everything to fix this problem.

What games?

Don't matter none ... Xbox One has the games with better online and controller

Yeah i would love to have the diminishing return of the 7970 inside the PS4.

Man don't you get it.? That was a total lie and pore damage control..lol

MS claimed they balance their hardware at 14CU and claim sony agree with them because they believe in the whole 14+4 crap,it was just pure damage controls because their GPU was weak,more CU = more performance period.

TL:DR Xbone is an underpowered "next gen" device and will keep on being it the rest of the gen... Despite teh cloud and dx12.

Deal with it lemmings.