Let's talk PSP2

If you are right, PSP2 will be a miserable failure.

It really should have been a slight upgrade to the PSP1, with full BC and the size of PSP-GO.

All we know is rumors. Nothing more nothing less.

It doesn't have a Touch screen it has a Touch Pad which is similar to what is on Laptops.

It doesn't have a Touch screen it has a Touch Pad which is similar to what is on Laptops.

Nintendo_Ownes7

definitely gonna buy it if it plays PS2 games and doesn't have stupid touch screen

Well IF they give it phone features. And partner with AT&T to sell it. People will be able to purchase it with $200 with 2 year contracts. Win win.caseypayne69

Is the PSP2 supposed to have a touch screen or a touch pad (like the touch pads on laptops)? I heard that there was a touchpad on the back of the PSP2, rather than an actual touch screen. If it is in fact a touch pad, then I can see a ton of possibilities. For example, while the 2 thumbs are using the controls on the front, the 2 middle fingers can be using the touch pad on the back (and the index fingers could use the shoulder buttons).

Either way, I'm willing to bet that it will be better than the 3DS. Does the 3DS even have 3D?? I saw a video of it an it just looked like a better looking DS

Does the 3DS even have 3D??amigo767

Either way, I'm willing to bet that it will be better than the 3DS. Does the 3DS even have 3D?? I saw a video of it an it just looked like a better looking DS

amigo767

Is the PSP2 supposed to have a touch screen or a touch pad (like the touch pads on laptops)? I heard that there was a touchpad on the back of the PSP2, rather than an actual touch screen. If it is in fact a touch pad, then I can see a ton of possibilities. For example, while the 2 thumbs are using the controls on the front, the 2 middle fingers can be using the touch pad on the back (and the index fingers could use the shoulder buttons).

Either way, I'm willing to bet that it will be better than the 3DS. Does the 3DS even have 3D?? I saw a video of it an it just looked like a better looking DS

amigo767

I'll probably end up buying it at launch, same with the 3DScarlisledavid79

[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]I'll probably end up buying it at launch, same with the 3DSRagnarok1051

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"]Well IF they give it phone features. And partner with AT&T to sell it. People will be able to purchase it with $200 with 2 year contracts. Win win.Cherokee_Jack

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]I'll probably end up buying it at launch, same with the 3DSNintendo_Ownes7

Touch pad doesnt interest me, really only wanted a bigger and better screen dual stick and better hardware with better battery life. Im sure it could bring up many interesting ideas however i personaly dont think a touch pad is needed its just gonna drive up the cost which the price is essential if they want to beat Nintendo.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="caseypayne69"]Well IF they give it phone features. And partner with AT&T to sell it. People will be able to purchase it with $200 with 2 year contracts. Win win.SakusEnvoy

[QUOTE="amigo767"]You can't see 3D on a 2D screen the 3DS is 3D but it is impossible to see it on videos because the camera that filmed the gameplay was not built to record in 3D and if they did use one to record in 3D you would have to use 3D glasses when you watched the video on your PC.

Nintendo_Ownes7

[QUOTE="amigo767"]

Is the PSP2 supposed to have a touch screen or a touch pad (like the touch pads on laptops)? I heard that there was a touchpad on the back of the PSP2, rather than an actual touch screen. If it is in fact a touch pad, then I can see a ton of possibilities. For example, while the 2 thumbs are using the controls on the front, the 2 middle fingers can be using the touch pad on the back (and the index fingers could use the shoulder buttons).

Either way, I'm willing to bet that it will be better than the 3DS. Does the 3DS even have 3D?? I saw a video of it an it just looked like a better looking DS

Ragnarok1051

Well, my bet is coming off of past nintendo and playstation games. The DS has relatively bad games compared to the PSP. The Wii has relatively bad games compared to the PS3. Gamecube had relatively bad games compared to the PS2. In terms of hardware, i'm sure that the PSP2 will be of a higher caliber than the 3DS. Sony tends to make high quality (in terms of build looks and components). Being cheap with a huge selection of mostly lackluster, simplistic, and often times childish games (wii, DS) makes it worse than something that costs a bit more but has bigger, deeper, and overall higher quality games (PSP, Xbox 360, and PS3).amigo767

The PSP didn't blow the DS out of the water game wise. In fact you'll hear the contrary very often around here. You're just making assumptions now and none of them are grounded at all in any factual manner.

[QUOTE="amigo767"] Well, my bet is coming off of past nintendo and playstation games. The DS has relatively bad games compared to the PSP. The Wii has relatively bad games compared to the PS3. Gamecube had relatively bad games compared to the PS2. In terms of hardware, i'm sure that the PSP2 will be of a higher caliber than the 3DS. Sony tends to make high quality (in terms of build looks and components). Being cheap with a huge selection of mostly lackluster, simplistic, and often times childish games (wii, DS) makes it worse than something that costs a bit more but has bigger, deeper, and overall higher quality games (PSP, Xbox 360, and PS3).Ragnarok1051

The PSP didn't blow the DS out of the water game wise. In fact you'll hear the contrary very often around here. You're just making assumptions now and none of them are grounded at all in any factual manner.

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="amigo767"] Well, my bet is coming off of past nintendo and playstation games. The DS has relatively bad games compared to the PSP. The Wii has relatively bad games compared to the PS3. Gamecube had relatively bad games compared to the PS2. In terms of hardware, i'm sure that the PSP2 will be of a higher caliber than the 3DS. Sony tends to make high quality (in terms of build looks and components). Being cheap with a huge selection of mostly lackluster, simplistic, and often times childish games (wii, DS) makes it worse than something that costs a bit more but has bigger, deeper, and overall higher quality games (PSP, Xbox 360, and PS3).amigo767

The PSP didn't blow the DS out of the water game wise. In fact you'll hear the contrary very often around here. You're just making assumptions now and none of them are grounded at all in any factual manner.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="caseypayne69"]Well IF they give it phone features. And partner with AT&T to sell it. People will be able to purchase it with $200 with 2 year contracts. Win win.SakusEnvoy

Like I said...they're trying to make a gaming device, not a pure smartphone. I have no doubt that they could make a great smartphone/gaming device, but how many people would realistically want that device? How many people in the smartphone market also want a portable gaming device like the PSP? How many people in the handheld market want a smartphone, and aren't satisfied with the option of getting both a 3DS and one of the smartphones already out there? Are those segments combined valuable enough for Sony to base their whole plan for the PSP2 around them, while likely alienating much of the handheld market in the process?

It will be more powerful than the 3DS that's for sure. Im curious to see how the touch controls on the back will work, if it's true. I doubt it will have 3D since Kaz Hirai said 3d on the portable is not what they are looking for. Plus it will be stupid if it does and you need glasses. Im also positive the HH will be expensive just like the 3DS or even more.

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="amigo767"] Huh, I thought 3D images were the result of separate images on the same screen of the same thing (like without 3D glasses a 3D movie would not look clear). So on the video I saw, shouldn't I have seen an unclear image on the 3DS screen? All I saw were regular looking graphics. [QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"][QUOTE="amigo767"]

Is the PSP2 supposed to have a touch screen or a touch pad (like the touch pads on laptops)? I heard that there was a touchpad on the back of the PSP2, rather than an actual touch screen. If it is in fact a touch pad, then I can see a ton of possibilities. For example, while the 2 thumbs are using the controls on the front, the 2 middle fingers can be using the touch pad on the back (and the index fingers could use the shoulder buttons).

Either way, I'm willing to bet that it will be better than the 3DS. Does the 3DS even have 3D?? I saw a video of it an it just looked like a better looking DS

amigo767

Just for you amigo, you can see the blury in these off screen videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8BWvgtqDUw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W68CPInmYc

[QUOTE="amigo767"] Huh, I thought 3D images were the result of separate images on the same screen of the same thing (like without 3D glasses a 3D movie would not look clear). So on the video I saw, shouldn't I have seen an unclear image on the 3DS screen? All I saw were regular looking graphics.p3anut

Just for you amigo, you can see the blury in these off screen videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8BWvgtqDUw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W68CPInmYc

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"]

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"] If they try to make some half-assed smartphone/handheld hybrid it is guaranteed to fail. They would need all the features of an iPhone/Android as well as gaming capabilities beyond that of the PSP, while still maintaining a low enough price point to please both people looking for a smartphone and people looking for a PSP. It's impossible.Cherokee_Jack

Like I said...they're trying to make a gaming device, not a pure smartphone. I have no doubt that they could make a great smartphone/gaming device, but how many people would realistically want that device? How many people in the smartphone market also want a portable gaming device like the PSP? How many people in the handheld market want a smartphone, and aren't satisfied with the option of getting both a 3DS and one of the smartphones already out there? Are those segments combined valuable enough for Sony to base their whole plan for the PSP2 around them, while likely alienating much of the handheld market in the process?

[QUOTE="p3anut"]

Huh, I thought 3D images were the result of separate images on the same screen of the same thing (like without 3D glasses a 3D movie would not look clear). So on the video I saw, shouldn't I have seen an unclear image on the 3DS screen? All I saw were regular looking graphics.amigo767

Just for you amigo, you can see the blury in these off screen videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8BWvgtqDUw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W68CPInmYc

4 core cell processor? 5 inch-HD screen? Hello 3 hour battery life. 1 hour if they go with UMD's again. Unless battery technology suddenly goes out of this world.

Is the PSP2 supposed to have a touch screen or a touch pad (like the touch pads on laptops)? I heard that there was a touchpad on the back of the PSP2, rather than an actual touch screen. If it is in fact a touch pad, then I can see a ton of possibilities. For example, while the 2 thumbs are using the controls on the front, the 2 middle fingers can be using the touch pad on the back (and the index fingers could use the shoulder buttons).

Either way, I'm willing to bet that it will be better than the 3DS. Does the 3DS even have 3D?? I saw a video of it an it just looked like a better looking DS

4 core cell processor? 5 inch-HD screen? Hello 3 hour battery life. 1 hour if they go with UMD's again. Unless battery technology suddenly goes out of this world.

BreakTheseLinks

4 core cell processor? 5 inch-HD screen? Hello 3 hour battery life. 1 hour if they go with UMD's again. Unless battery technology suddenly goes out of this world.

I don't think it's worth talking about in detail until we know that it really exists.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

[QUOTE="SakusEnvoy"] Sony already owns a full-featured Android smartphone... they already have a close partnership with Google... they've already designed a slim PSP with great slide-out controls. I don't think it would be that hard.

caseypayne69

Like I said...they're trying to make a gaming device, not a pure smartphone. I have no doubt that they could make a great smartphone/gaming device, but how many people would realistically want that device? How many people in the smartphone market also want a portable gaming device like the PSP? How many people in the handheld market want a smartphone, and aren't satisfied with the option of getting both a 3DS and one of the smartphones already out there? Are those segments combined valuable enough for Sony to base their whole plan for the PSP2 around them, while likely alienating much of the handheld market in the process?

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"][QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]

Like I said...they're trying to make a gaming device, not a pure smartphone. I have no doubt that they could make a great smartphone/gaming device, but how many people would realistically want that device? How many people in the smartphone market also want a portable gaming device like the PSP? How many people in the handheld market want a smartphone, and aren't satisfied with the option of getting both a 3DS and one of the smartphones already out there? Are those segments combined valuable enough for Sony to base their whole plan for the PSP2 around them, while likely alienating much of the handheld market in the process?

Cherokee_Jack

In my opinion, I think it would be smart of them to release two devices: a standalone gaming system and a smartphone/gaming hybrid. Not unlike Apple does for the iPhone and iPod Touch. They would both be capable of running the same games and applications (ie. same basic underlying hardware), but they would have important differences as well. The standalone PSP2 would have no 3G or calling capabilities, lower quality camera, etc., in order to reduce the price down to a level that can compete directly with the 3DS.

I don't think it's worth talking about in detail until we know that it really exists.

jimkabrhel

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

I don't think it's worth talking about in detail until we know that it really exists.

caseypayne69

[QUOTE="caseypayne69"][QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

I don't think it's worth talking about in detail until we know that it really exists.

lbjkurono23

The problem with PSP2 is that it's stuck in the middle of the pure gaming giant of handhelds in Nintendo and the mobile leader in Apple with the iphone.

Although Iphone and Nintendo are in direct competition they're distinctly different enough that they don't necessarily cancel each other out.

Now with the PSP2, where does it go? Does it try to adopt characteristics of both devices?

PSP2 is stuck between a rock and a hardplace.

[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"][QUOTE="caseypayne69"] Sony probably looks at the iPhone market to gauge such a thought. SakusEnvoy

In my opinion, I think it would smart of them to releases two devices: a standalone gaming system and a smartphone/gaming hybrid. Not unlike Apple does for the iPhone and iPod Touch. They would both be capable of running the same games and applications (ie. same basic underlying hardware), but they would have important differences as well. The standalone PSP2 would have no 3G or calling capabilities, lower quality camera, etc., in order to reduce the price down to a level that can compete directly with the 3DS.

Fair point, but I think that it's a much less risky proposition for Sony to put out a pure handheld against the 3DS. The PSP, while obviously not what Sony hoped it would be, still made a pretty impressive stand against Nintendo. It would be unwise to ignore where the PSP's strengths originally lay, even if it means Sony having to make themselves at home in second place again. Stick with what works, in other words.

Whereas going the smartphone route would create a whole new set of problems for them, and whether or not it would win over a new audience from its smartphone features is anyone's guess. In my opinion it's not worth taking a gamble on, even if they were to put out two devices like you said. Better to put all their resources into supporting the PSP2 as a handheld.

One other thing to remember about the smartphone idea is that smartphone hardware gets updated (like, really updated, not slightly revised) a lot more often than handheld hardware. They'll either have to keep the same hardware for the PSP2's entire life cycle, which would make the thing obsolete in comparison to other smartphones very quickly, or try to keep pace with the competitors and release a more powerful PSP2 every year or so (you can see the problem with that)

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]

[QUOTE="amigo767"] Well, my bet is coming off of past nintendo and playstation games. The DS has relatively bad games compared to the PSP. The Wii has relatively bad games compared to the PS3. Gamecube had relatively bad games compared to the PS2. In terms of hardware, i'm sure that the PSP2 will be of a higher caliber than the 3DS. Sony tends to make high quality (in terms of build looks and components). Being cheap with a huge selection of mostly lackluster, simplistic, and often times childish games (wii, DS) makes it worse than something that costs a bit more but has bigger, deeper, and overall higher quality games (PSP, Xbox 360, and PS3).amigo767

The PSP didn't blow the DS out of the water game wise. In fact you'll hear the contrary very often around here. You're just making assumptions now and none of them are grounded at all in any factual manner.

Dude,

just ignore him you didn't state anything as fact.