Lems and 'neutrals', do your best at selling me Kinect 2.0.

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#1 Posted by misterpmedia (3468 posts) -

Now before you break out the bullet points, I'm strictly referring to game related features and implementations. I don't wanna hear about how good it is at traversing the UI or how 'minority report' the voice commands and hand gestures are. Saying 'Xbox, On!' does not wow me either. At the minute the ones I know about are gimmicky like being able to shout at zombies in DR3(lol, wtf?)

Context: Hopefully at the end of the year I'll be buying a kinectless sku and Quantum Break will have been released(providing it turns out good), not to mention a hefty price drop if sales continue as they are. But in the instance MS keeps kinect as a pack in I was wondering what great benefit Kinect 2.0 actually has to gaming in general for the system and if it's worth waiting until it's eventually dropped even if it takes longer?

Some concerns: I think it's flawed as it doesn't have the advertised 1:1 experience for gaming that plagued the original Kinect and despite being a pack-in will be limited to UI functionality primarily with the odd casual game here and there(D4 & K.S.R). The lack of software also is concerning and shows even MS doesn't have quite as much confidence in it as they thought they had. People are telling me to 'wait and see' or 'hope' that devs use it in the future, which is not really a convincing argument for something I'm paying a premium for.

Do your best!

#2 Edited by silversix_ (14790 posts) -

It can stand on top of your ps4 and collect dust for it

#3 Posted by Solid_Max13 (3548 posts) -

Do you like yelling at your screen? How about flapping around your hands and playing games that make you look like your on acid having seizure? Are you to lazy to push a button on your controller?

Introducing Kinect 2.0!!! Devs hate it, it costs your machine 100 more and the only games you'll get for it are Dance Central and WiiSports rip-offs!!!

Honestly Kinect is an amazing piece of tech but has no place in gaming it will be nothing more than an eyeTOY 3.0

#4 Edited by inb4uall (5806 posts) -

Pros: the perfect gaming device for the gamer with no time to play games

Cons: Once you turn it on is sucks @$$.

#5 Posted by MonsieurX (30425 posts) -

Fruit Ninja is fun.

#6 Posted by Boddicker (2797 posts) -

..............................I got nothing.

#7 Posted by lundy86_4 (43526 posts) -

Why? You're likely to disregard any advantages.

#8 Edited by tyloss (829 posts) -

Watch Tv on your TV through your tv box on your Xbox.

Also, you afraid of terroists or like to make amatuear porn videos? The Kinect seems perfect for you. Sponsored By: the NSA© And Pornhub©

#9 Posted by nyzma23 (929 posts) -

why do you fell insecure with your money or what ? btw i'm not microsoft salesman so you better ask them in bestbuy

#11 Posted by kinectthedots (2002 posts) -

When you buy xbox one you are buying from the American company!

that's all I got.

#12 Posted by Co2eed (19 posts) -

@Solid_Max13: lol. I love how this is the only excuse some ppl have for not wanting a kinect.. bottom line, if you don't have friends that aren't gamers, say, a girlfriend or females (shock) then you won't want a kinect in your parents basement or wherever you mooch from. Like me, I have a girlfriend and invite girls and friends that aren't hard-core gamers over and kinect is very fun for them and me, especially while drinking or just passing the time. Kinect is revolutionary. and just because the system just launched 3 months ago and they're arent any games implementing the kinect, doesn't mean it's worthless.. Sorry Sony continues to fail to innovate. Maybe one day, PS owners, but not this gen, so keep hating with bs excuses.

#13 Posted by misterpmedia (3468 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

Why? You're likely to disregard any advantages.

List me some and we'll see. That's the point of the thread.

#14 Edited by lundy86_4 (43526 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

@lundy86_4 said:

Why? You're likely to disregard any advantages.

List me some and we'll see. That's the point of the thread.

No. I've witnessed plenty of these threads, and i've no reason to believe that you are remotely objective.

#15 Edited by I_can_haz (6551 posts) -

@nyzma23 said:

why do you fell insecure with your money or what ? btw i'm not microsoft salesman so you better ask them in bestbuy

I'm not so sure about that. From the way I see you praising Xbone on this forum I'd swear you were on their payroll.

#16 Edited by Solid_Max13 (3548 posts) -

@co2eed said:

@Solid_Max13: lol. I love how this is the only excuse some ppl have for not wanting a kinect.. bottom line, if you don't have friends that aren't gamers, say, a girlfriend or females (shock) then you won't want a kinect in your parents basement or wherever you mooch from. Like me, I have a girlfriend and invite girls and friends that aren't hard-core gamers over and kinect is very fun for them and me, especially while drinking or just passing the time. Kinect is revolutionary. and just because the system just launched 3 months ago and they're arent any games implementing the kinect, doesn't mean it's worthless.. Sorry Sony continues to fail to innovate. Maybe one day, PS owners, but not this gen, so keep hating with bs excuses.

Lol revolutionary??? I just said the Kinect is great piece of tech but devs hate it and the games for it are ass, how is it revolutionary it's exactly eyeTOY 3.0, And it's pretty much a downfall of the Xbox this gen it's nothing more than a gimmick, give me any example of how this is revolutionary? how is it redefining gaming? It's pretty much trying to get Nintendo's success last gen, this gen and it's failing hard.

edit: Also Kinect last gen proved nothing more than awful games,and cheap tricks, If I wanted gimmicks and fun in the basement with non-hardcore gamers I'd get a Wii or Wii U(actually own one), and also what has MS innovated with the Kinect? Sony didn't need to innovate anything this gen, except for them getting more games for gamers, the innovation thing is bs that Cows and Lems try to pull when PC gaming has been surviving countless years with the same controls and hasn't changed it's core.

#17 Edited by Boddicker (2797 posts) -

It could be useful for the RTS genre when combined with k/m support (whenever a dev actually decides to do this).

Of course you could just end up slurring obscenities at your TV most of the time as maneuvers never seem to work right.

#18 Posted by ni6htmare01 (976 posts) -

@inb4uall said:

Pros: the perfect gaming device for the gamer with no time to play games

Cons: Once you turn it on is sucks @$$.

i LOL!

#19 Posted by misterpmedia (3468 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

@misterpmedia said:

@lundy86_4 said:

Why? You're likely to disregard any advantages.

List me some and we'll see. That's the point of the thread.

No. I've witnessed plenty of these threads, and i've no reason to believe that you are remotely objective.

I'll mark this down as "I don't have anything to list" then. You almost seem a bit insecure in the choices you would have typed or else you'd type them out without hesitation. It's not like I'm gonna crucify you for liking it, just want specifics and reasons.

@co2eed said:

@Solid_Max13: lol. I love how this is the only excuse some ppl have for not wanting a kinect.. bottom line, if you don't have friends that aren't gamers, say, a girlfriend or females (shock) then you won't want a kinect in your parents basement or wherever you mooch from. Like me, I have a girlfriend and invite girls and friends that aren't hard-core gamers over and kinect is very fun for them and me, especially while drinking or just passing the time. Kinect is revolutionary. and just because the system just launched 3 months ago and they're arent any games implementing the kinect, doesn't mean it's worthless.. Sorry Sony continues to fail to innovate. Maybe one day, PS owners, but not this gen, so keep hating with bs excuses.

yeah it's posts like these I don't get. Cry about people not liking kinect then harp about that kinect is innovative and then don't list anything gaming related.

Come on guys let's at least try here. Sell me gaming on Kinect.

#20 Edited by lundy86_4 (43526 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

I'll mark this down as "I don't have anything to list" then. You almost seem a bit insecure in the choices you would have typed or else you'd type them out without hesitation. It's not like I'm gonna crucify you for liking it, just want specifics and reasons.

Mark it as whatever you like. What I have said is written above, so infer what you will. At the end of the day, i've been here a lot longer than you.

I tell you what, try your objectivity, and I may humour you with a list. Let's see how the thread plays out.

#21 Edited by darkangel115 (1770 posts) -

I have both platforms. I don't think the kinect is worth it for gaming only, but its not a knock on kinect as much as it is a knock on games for it. It's pretty cool to use in BF and DR3 though, but as of now for pure gaming not worth it. Still after using it, I don't know how i lived without it. Makes me PS4 feel like old tech. Like going back to a blackberry qwerty keyboard after using swype.

#22 Posted by blackace (20886 posts) -

@misterpmedia: Why would anyone waste their time doing that stupid shit? You've already have your mind made up about Kinect. No one needs to try and change it for you. lol!! That's like you trying to change my mind on Ouya, which I'll never waste money on.

#23 Edited by Evo_nine (1741 posts) -

ITT insecure cows.

#24 Posted by misterpmedia (3468 posts) -

@blackace said:

@misterpmedia: Why would anyone waste their time doing that stupid shit? You've already have your mind made up about Kinect. No one needs to try and change it for you. lol!! That's like you trying to change my mind on Ouya, which I'll never waste money on.

@Evo_nine said:

ITT insecure cows.

So more reasons kinect isn't suited for gaming. Gotcha. The fact that no-one is even trying is speaking volumes lol.

#25 Posted by lamprey263 (24155 posts) -

Who else do you have to talk to with all your free time?

#26 Edited by blackace (20886 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

@blackace said:

@misterpmedia: Why would anyone waste their time doing that stupid shit? You've already have your mind made up about Kinect. No one needs to try and change it for you. lol!! That's like you trying to change my mind on Ouya, which I'll never waste money on.

@Evo_nine said:

ITT insecure cows.

So more reasons kinect isn't suited for gaming. Gotcha. The fact that no-one is even trying is speaking volumes lol.

See, you're mind is already up. LMAO!! No one needs to do shit. Now stop creating bait threads for your amusement.

The fact that no one cares speaks volumes. lol!!

#27 Edited by misterpmedia (3468 posts) -

@blackace said:

@misterpmedia said:

@blackace said:

@misterpmedia: Why would anyone waste their time doing that stupid shit? You've already have your mind made up about Kinect. No one needs to try and change it for you. lol!! That's like you trying to change my mind on Ouya, which I'll never waste money on.

@Evo_nine said:

ITT insecure cows.

So more reasons kinect isn't suited for gaming. Gotcha. The fact that no-one is even trying is speaking volumes lol.

See, you're mind is already up. LMAO!! No one needs to do shit. Now stop create bait threads for your amusement.

The fact that no one cares speaks volumes. lol!!

I was being facetious by the lack of trying. How about you list me some? It should be easy if you're sold on it. I'm not. Sell me it blackace. You have both systems, you should know the perks of Kinect 2.0.

#28 Edited by StormyJoe (5497 posts) -

@misterpmedia: Outside of the voice commands (which in games like Skyrim and Mass Effect were hella fun), there isn't much Kinect in multiplats or games that aren't specifically "Kinect games". The voice commands are awesome for the media functions of the console, and I have started to really get into the motion controls for the console interface as well.

I could see down the road where voice commands in multiplayer games would be awesome - you could have all the rich commands for games like WoW, but for the XB1, they would be voice activated instead of hot-key based. Sadly, nothing like that exists right now (yet, anyway).

I really don't know why anyone would want an XB1 without Kinect.

#29 Posted by misterpmedia (3468 posts) -

@StormyJoe said:

@misterpmedia: Outside of the voice commands (which in games like Skyrim and Mass Effect were hella fun), there isn't much Kinect in multiplats or games that aren't specifically "Kinect games". The voice commands are awesome for the media functions of the console, and I have started to really get into the motion controls for the console interface as well.

I could see down the road where voice commands in multiplayer games would be awesome - you could have all the rich commands for games like WoW, but for the XB1, they would be voice activated instead of hot-key based. Sadly, nothing like that exists right now (yet, anyway).

I really don't know why anyone would want an XB1 without Kinect.

Thanks for the reply. So finally we have one. Refinement and development of in game voice commands. But for the rest, as stated in the top post, I said avoid mentioning the UI/media functionality if possible as I'm interested in what Kinect does for gaming.

#30 Edited by Spartan070 (16355 posts) -

Literally all I use it for is turning my system on and watching Netflix all with voice commands, I never use it when I'm actually gaming. Also it's really nice to "sign-in" automatically since more than one person uses my console.

If's that's all I ever use it for it's still worth it imo.

Makes my life a little easier = worth it imo.

Shrug.

#31 Posted by no-scope-AK47 (2806 posts) -

Hey TC do you like having a spy cam in your house. How about a wire ??

How about using voice commands that don't work all the time??

Do you like going slowly thru the UI instead of using buttons that are right in front of you??

How about triggering your xflop while eating using false positives on motion ??

If you answered yes to any of these guess what for the low price of 499.99 plus tax we will throw in a gimped next gen console. That's right 720p just like the last gen with a paywall and a day one update before you can use your console. That's right TC for only 499.99 your console will even watch you in the dark. So order yours today there are plenty in stock unlike the ps4 the cheaper and more powerful console.

#33 Posted by clone01 (24832 posts) -

Buy it if you want. Don't buy it if you don't want.

#34 Posted by misterpmedia (3468 posts) -

@Spartan070 said:

Literally all I use it for is turning my system on and watching Netflix all with voice commands, I never use it when I'm actually gaming. Also it's really nice to "sign-in" automatically since more than one person uses my console.

If's that's all I ever use it for it's still worth it imo.

Makes my life a little easier = worth it imo.

Shrug.

I can imagine the small gains in convenience, I'm not disproving that I just want to know what potential it has in the game scene.

#35 Edited by istreakforfood (7749 posts) -

Please don't. I prefer having 0% chance of encountering you on XBL. K, thanks bye.

#36 Posted by hoyalawya (342 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

@Spartan070 said:

Literally all I use it for is turning my system on and watching Netflix all with voice commands, I never use it when I'm actually gaming. Also it's really nice to "sign-in" automatically since more than one person uses my console.

If's that's all I ever use it for it's still worth it imo.

Makes my life a little easier = worth it imo.

Shrug.

I can imagine the small gains in convenience, I'm not disproving that I just want to know what potential it has in the game scene.

I guess that we will have to wait to what D4 has in mind for new use of Kinect in gaming. It is supposed to release Q2 2014.

P.S., my nieces and nephews love the 360 Kinect. They literally play Kinect Sports and Dance Central all day when they come over.

#37 Posted by Evo_nine (1741 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

@blackace said:

@misterpmedia: Why would anyone waste their time doing that stupid shit? You've already have your mind made up about Kinect. No one needs to try and change it for you. lol!! That's like you trying to change my mind on Ouya, which I'll never waste money on.

@Evo_nine said:

ITT insecure cows.

So more reasons kinect isn't suited for gaming. Gotcha. The fact that no-one is even trying is speaking volumes lol.

If you dont like it, dont buy it.

Pretty simple.

#38 Posted by Gaming-Planet (14022 posts) -

It would have been cool in the 90s.

It's a dead gimmick.

#39 Edited by speedfreak48t5p (8150 posts) -

Kinect sucks.

/thread

#40 Posted by NFJSupreme (5379 posts) -

As someone who does not give a damn about console wars the only thing I can about the kinect right now is that it's a really good remote control for your TV. other than that I got nothing.

#41 Edited by Co2eed (19 posts) -

@Solid_Max13: hmm.. simply because it requires no controller to operate.. it scans your facial and body characteristics and implements them in the game.. Microsoft is to Sony as Apple is to Google. I was pissed when Microsoft decided to side with the opinions of gamers because they are not ready for gaming to evolve..

#42 Posted by edwardecl (2239 posts) -

I think by the responses here the Kinect is not aimed at the hardcore gamer, it's mainly just a UI navigation tool because the UI sucks to use with a controller.

The other main thing to use it with is Skype, and making videos of you playing games (although quite why you would want to do that is beyond me). If they are not bullshitting about it's abilities to detect subtle movements and your heart rate (sounds like bullshit to me) they could incorporate little things in games to determine out comes of situations based on your actual reaction (not over exaggerated movements), perhaps they could use it in RPG games when you are interacting with NPCs by smiling at them or staring at them for funny responses, perhaps you could taunt enemies and use gestures such as waving to get the attention of NPCs.

If they could add that level of immersion into games then great, but I would have to see it to believe it first, the first Kinect seemed like a over hyped piece of shit. The Fighter Within does it no favours, if I was Microsoft I would have banned the release of that.

#43 Edited by killatwill15 (845 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

@misterpmedia said:

I'll mark this down as "I don't have anything to list" then. You almost seem a bit insecure in the choices you would have typed or else you'd type them out without hesitation. It's not like I'm gonna crucify you for liking it, just want specifics and reasons.

Mark it as whatever you like. What I have said is written above, so infer what you will. At the end of the day, i've been here a lot longer than you.

I tell you what, try your objectivity, and I may humour you with a list. Let's see how the thread plays out.

age before beauty,

since you have been here for ages,

you oughta have points as to why the Kinect is great.

or just admit you don't have an positive points,

because who wants to dig through dead threads because you claim the answers are in the past,

when the Kinect is supposed to be the future, c'mon

@blackace said:

@misterpmedia said:

@blackace said:

@misterpmedia: Why would anyone waste their time doing that stupid shit? You've already have your mind made up about Kinect. No one needs to try and change it for you. lol!! That's like you trying to change my mind on Ouya, which I'll never waste money on.

@Evo_nine said:

ITT insecure cows.

So more reasons kinect isn't suited for gaming. Gotcha. The fact that no-one is even trying is speaking volumes lol.

See, you're mind is already up. LMAO!! No one needs to do shit. Now stop create bait threads for your amusement.

The fact that no one cares speaks volumes. lol!!

you don't need bait to lead a lemming to water or a cliff,

it seems you made up your mind by not answering,

you must have something good to say about the kinect.

since you are one of the xbot zealots

#44 Posted by Solid_Max13 (3548 posts) -

@co2eed said:

@Solid_Max13: hmm.. simply because it requires no controller to operate.. it scans your facial and body characteristics and implements them in the game.. Microsoft is to Sony as Apple is to Google. I was pissed when Microsoft decided to side with the opinions of gamers because they are not ready for gaming to evolve..

I'm not denying the potential and technology of the Kinect, it's impressive but unfortunately gaming wise it doesn't seem to belong, and it's potential is wasted on games for casual purposes and will not appeal to the hardcore crowd.

#45 Posted by sailor232 (4819 posts) -

Well in Xbox Fitness it shows you on the screen, shows which muscles are being worked on the most (glowing red spots), reads your heart beat per minute, can tell if your not quiet doing the exercise properly. I also think in Kinect sports that the jetski handles extremely well, moving to which way you lean, boosting if you stomp your foot down, nearly 1-1 movements and the full game isn't out yet, so it can get better.

Apart from those two games, Skype uses it brilliantly, full body tracking, can see you even in a dark room, 1080p video conferencing, plus I got 6 months of free calls to anywhere in the world when I purchased my Xbox One. I am thoroughly impressed with Kinect 2.0 so far, and it's only the beginning, hopefully Microsoft supports it all the way to the end of the gen and more.

#46 Posted by timbers_WSU (5753 posts) -

You will have to wait for the damn thing to have a use. Admittingly the Kinect Sports Waverace demo is pretty awesome however....but that is one demo for one game.

#47 Edited by Co2eed (19 posts) -

@Solid_Max13: I agree with that one.. But the majority of console gamers are not 'hardcore'. If you like to be alone in your room playing games then that's all good. I enjoy that when I have nothing else to do, but I also enjoy playing games with friends, in person, not online.. You can call a casual gamer or whatever, but the fact is not everyone is nerdy and anti-social..

#48 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (7418 posts) -

Lol. Convince me but stay within my criteria.

Cows these days. Pillow biters.

#49 Posted by xxyetixx (1296 posts) -

There are only hopes and potential for the Kinect yet nothing of significants has been released for it except Ninja Fruit and Dance Games. I want there to be more games that integrate Kinect kinda like Madden did with calling audibals and saying hut with it. Hopefully Kinect stays attached to the X1 so everyone that has a X1 has a Kinect so hopefully developers will play with it and utilize it. So now all Kinect has are party games, kid friendly stuff, and potential, nothing more.

#50 Edited by lundy86_4 (43526 posts) -

@killatwill15 said:

age before beauty,

since you have been here for ages,

you oughta have points as to why the Kinect is great.

or just admit you don't have an positive points,

because who wants to dig through dead threads because you claim the answers are in the past,

when the Kinect is supposed to be the future, c'mon

Was that all you had? I've experienced enough to know what a "bait thread" is. I need not prove myself to anybody :S