Kotaku: What Nintendo is doing right.

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#1 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26493 posts) -

Link

TL; DR list (read why in the link):

1. They're making some new characters

2. They're making fun original games

3. They are working with bright (Japanese) Indie developers

4. They are running an interesting online service

#2 Edited by scottpsfan14 (4719 posts) -

#3 Posted by scottpsfan14 (4719 posts) -

Haha. Nah, to be fair, it's really a shame Nintendo are what they are now. I wish they just went the Gamecube route by making a console with power. Yes, the Gamecube failed, but that was because they decided to go with non standard discs and many developers didn't what to waste time cutting down game assets to fit the 1.4GB discs. As PS2 and Xbox discs were 4.5GB. The 'Nintendo Revolution' is what should be released already. With better specs than the PS4 and a redesign of the Gamecube controller. And a memorable console boot up animation like the PS1, PS2 and Gamecube had. A massive Mario game called 'Super Mario Revolution'. The true successor to Mario 64. An epic adventure. Not just a 3D version of Super Mario Bros like Super Mario 3D World is. 3rd party support. SNES days Nintendo essentially. You Nintendo fanboys know this is what Nintendo should have done. It's what you all wanted deep down. Wii U kills me as a Nintendo fan. Even Wii did. But Wii had something going for it with motion controls being a new thing at least.

#4 Posted by freedomfreak (39997 posts) -

Miiverse?

Miiverse is the worst.

#5 Edited by SolidTy (42798 posts) -

I don't agree with point 4 at all, in any form. I dislike this kotaku writer though, I usually don't agree with him because he doesn't do a lot of research in his pieces. He failed even in this article claiming and then revising the online portion of his article. Nintendo's online approach is ass backwards from Digital distribution to online gaming to hardware microphone support to Miiverse. Their notion to keep DD games linked to hardware instead of an account keep me and legions of other Nintendo fans from ever buying DD games with Nintendo.

I do support their physical games in a big way though.

As a launch owner of two Wii Us, I can back the first three options.

#6 Edited by Blabadon (26150 posts) -

@freedomfreak: The Wii U version of it? I know I felt stupid being excited about the 3DS version.

It seemed perfect, a system that's handheld, can connect online, has a stylus, and over 40 million users, but Nintendo complete half-assed it there.

#7 Posted by freedomfreak (39997 posts) -
@Blabadon said:

The Wii U version of it? I know I felt stupid being excited about the 3DS version.

It seemed perfect, a system that's handheld, can connect online, has a stylus, and over 40 million users, but Nintendo complete half-assed it there.

Both. It's pretty much the same on 3DS and WiiU. The concept is great, but it's completely messed up due to Nintendo's incompetence.

#8 Posted by Boddicker (2691 posts) -
#9 Posted by Sphensen (742 posts) -

Haha. Nah, to be fair, it's really a shame Nintendo are what they are now. I wish they just went the Gamecube route by making a console with power. Yes, the Gamecube failed, but that was because they decided to go with non standard discs and many developers didn't what to waste time cutting down game assets to fit the 1.4GB discs. As PS2 and Xbox discs were 4.5GB. The 'Nintendo Revolution' is what should be released already. With better specs than the PS4 and a redesign of the Gamecube controller. And a memorable console boot up animation like the PS1, PS2 and Gamecube had. A massive Mario game called 'Super Mario Revolution'. The true successor to Mario 64. An epic adventure. Not just a 3D version of Super Mario Bros like Super Mario 3D World is. 3rd party support. SNES days Nintendo essentially. You Nintendo fanboys know this is what Nintendo should have done. It's what you all wanted deep down. Wii U kills me as a Nintendo fan. Even Wii did. But Wii had something going for it with motion controls being a new thing at least.

this guy gets it

#10 Posted by Blabadon (26150 posts) -

@Blabadon said:

The Wii U version of it? I know I felt stupid being excited about the 3DS version.

It seemed perfect, a system that's handheld, can connect online, has a stylus, and over 40 million users, but Nintendo complete half-assed it there.

Both. It's pretty much the same on 3DS and WiiU. The concept is great, but it's completely messed up due to Nintendo's incompetence.

Goddamn den mother mentality.

How's the multitasking on the Wii U and the general speed on getting to Miiverse from a game? I nearly made a cup of tea in the time it takes accessing the 3DS' version.

#11 Edited by Ballroompirate (22769 posts) -

I disagree on all accounts, the only thing that Nintendo has done right at least in my eyes in the last 14 years is the LoZ games and their Hand Helds (DS and 3DS).

#12 Posted by Desmonic (13745 posts) -

@Blabadon said:

The Wii U version of it? I know I felt stupid being excited about the 3DS version.

It seemed perfect, a system that's handheld, can connect online, has a stylus, and over 40 million users, but Nintendo complete half-assed it there.

Both. It's pretty much the same on 3DS and WiiU. The concept is great, but it's completely messed up due to Nintendo's incompetence.

Dem Ninty networking pro skills.

#13 Edited by freedomfreak (39997 posts) -
@Blabadon said:

Goddamn den mother mentality.

How's the multitasking on the Wii U and the general speed on getting to Miiverse from a game? I nearly made a cup of tea in the time it takes accessing the 3DS' version.

It's slow. At least last time I checked. It's not smooth in any way, and it needs to load in properly.

I stopped using Miiverse for that reason. You really have to go out of your way for it.
And yeah, it's slow as hell on the 3DS.

#14 Edited by Blabadon (26150 posts) -

@Blabadon said:

Goddamn den mother mentality.

How's the multitasking on the Wii U and the general speed on getting to Miiverse from a game? I nearly made a cup of tea in the time it takes accessing the 3DS' version.

It's slow. At least last time I checked. It's not smooth in any way, and it needs to load in properly.

I stopped using Miiverse for that reason. You really have to go out of your way for it.

And yeah, it's slow as hell on the 3DS.

Bummer. Alright, thanks for the info. It's a complete stupid how the one console with potentially great ideas as being something other than a watered-down PC (and you know I'm not part of the insulting consoles crowds, but let's be honest) is handled by such a stupid company.

#15 Posted by scottpsfan14 (4719 posts) -
@Blabadon said:

@freedomfreak said:

@Blabadon said:

Goddamn den mother mentality.

How's the multitasking on the Wii U and the general speed on getting to Miiverse from a game? I nearly made a cup of tea in the time it takes accessing the 3DS' version.

It's slow. At least last time I checked. It's not smooth in any way, and it needs to load in properly.

I stopped using Miiverse for that reason. You really have to go out of your way for it.

And yeah, it's slow as hell on the 3DS.

Bummer. Alright, thanks for the info. It's a complete stupid how the one console with potentially great ideas as being something other than a watered-down PC (and you know I'm not part of the insulting consoles crowds, but let's be honest) is handled by such a stupid company.

Can I just say that I imagine you are a really cool guy based on your avatar. Love The Police.

#16 Posted by Blabadon (26150 posts) -

@scottpsfan14: Why thank you, I'd like to think most people agree with you on their general opinion of me.

And yes, The Police are awesome. God only knows if a few egos didn't boil over here or there and they might have lasted past seven years.

#17 Posted by aroxx_ab (9468 posts) -


4. They are running an interesting online service

Whaaaat?

#18 Posted by scottpsfan14 (4719 posts) -

@Blabadon said:

@scottpsfan14: Why thank you, I'd like to think most people agree with you on their general opinion of me.

And yes, The Police are awesome. God only knows if a few egos didn't boil over here or there and they might have lasted past seven years.

They are actually the coolest people in the world. While Sting gets on my nerves at times, he is one talented MF. Stewart Copeland is just amazing. Too good. He made the music for Spyro games on PS1. And Big Andy of course is a genious. Message in a bottle being their absolute top imo. Perfect drum beat, guitar riff, vocal melody, just perfect.

#19 Posted by Heil68 (43951 posts) -

But Nintendo is racist and homophobic.

#20 Edited by freedomfreak (39997 posts) -
@Blabadon said:

Bummer. Alright, thanks for the info. It's a complete stupid how the one console with potentially great ideas as being something other than a watered-down PC (and you know I'm not part of the insulting consoles crowds, but let's be honest) is handled by such a stupid company.

Yeah, you're not wrong. It is a cool console, but with Nintendo at the helm... Well, speaks for itself.

#21 Posted by GamingGod999 (2983 posts) -
#22 Edited by no-scope-AK47 (2780 posts) -

You could give the wii u to Sony and the ps4 to Nintendo and Sony would make the wii u work and nintendo would destroy they ps4. We have seen that Sony rarely has the best hardware but they always bring the games and exclusives. Now Sony even has equal online gaming and has MS emulating them.

So it's great to say if nintendo had better hardware but the truth is they seem to invent ways to fuck up. The major problem is nintendo is very slow to react to changes in the market place. They have plan A and no plan B. If plan A does not work they make excuses not changes.

#23 Edited by FireEmblem_Man (8706 posts) -

Haha. Nah, to be fair, it's really a shame Nintendo are what they are now. I wish they just went the Gamecube route by making a console with power. Yes, the Gamecube failed, but that was because they decided to go with non standard discs and many developers didn't what to waste time cutting down game assets to fit the 1.4GB discs. As PS2 and Xbox discs were 4.5GB. The 'Nintendo Revolution' is what should be released already. With better specs than the PS4 and a redesign of the Gamecube controller. And a memorable console boot up animation like the PS1, PS2 and Gamecube had. A massive Mario game called 'Super Mario Revolution'. The true successor to Mario 64. An epic adventure. Not just a 3D version of Super Mario Bros like Super Mario 3D World is. 3rd party support. SNES days Nintendo essentially. You Nintendo fanboys know this is what Nintendo should have done. It's what you all wanted deep down. Wii U kills me as a Nintendo fan. Even Wii did. But Wii had something going for it with motion controls being a new thing at least.

The Wii U is a Gamecube

#24 Posted by scottpsfan14 (4719 posts) -

The Wii U is a Gamecube

Nope, No it isn't. The only similarity it had was.. ehh ....ermm... nothing. Gamecube had the best GPU and nearly the best processor of the 6th gen. I described in my post what would have been a winner for nintendo. Do you disagree? Or are you a sheep that blindly just accepts Nintendo as a second rate console developer? They should have made 'The Nintendo Revolution'. Would have brought all faith back to nintendo.

#25 Edited by finalfantasy94 (26430 posts) -

They made new characters?

#26 Edited by Kaze_no_Mirai (11226 posts) -

@finalfantasy94: Not many but yes. Denpa Men, Dillon, Malo, Rusty. I'm sure there are a few others.

#27 Posted by no-scope-AK47 (2780 posts) -

@FireEmblem_Man said:

The Wii U is a Gamecube

Nope, No it isn't. The only similarity it had was.. ehh ....ermm... nothing. Gamecube had the best GPU and nearly the best processor of the 6th gen. I described in my post what would have been a winner for nintendo. Do you disagree? Or are you a sheep that blindly just accepts Nintendo as a second rate console developer? They should have made 'The Nintendo Revolution'. Would have brought all faith back to nintendo.

The problem is not the hardware it's Nintendo and their frankly moronic choices. They seem to do things just to be the odd man out. They historically have issues with storage and using standard features. They also change controllers almost every gen. The biggest problems are they don't go out of their way to get 3rd party support and their online is frankly horrible. You don't have to have the best hardware to get 3rd party support and have a decent online gaming network.

#28 Posted by super600 (30518 posts) -

@FireEmblem_Man said:

The Wii U is a Gamecube

Nope, No it isn't. The only similarity it had was.. ehh ....ermm... nothing. Gamecube had the best GPU and nearly the best processor of the 6th gen. I described in my post what would have been a winner for nintendo. Do you disagree? Or are you a sheep that blindly just accepts Nintendo as a second rate console developer? They should have made 'The Nintendo Revolution'. Would have brought all faith back to nintendo.

To an extent the WiiU is actually like the gamecube. Both consoles have targeted older audiences(AKA the older hardcore nintendo fans), but the WiiU attempted to target the casuals to, but that has failed so far.

#29 Posted by Gue1 (9764 posts) -
#31 Posted by Blabadon (26150 posts) -

@Blabadon said:

@scottpsfan14: Why thank you, I'd like to think most people agree with you on their general opinion of me.

And yes, The Police are awesome. God only knows if a few egos didn't boil over here or there and they might have lasted past seven years.

They are actually the coolest people in the world. While Sting gets on my nerves at times, he is one talented MF. Stewart Copeland is just amazing. Too good. He made the music for Spyro games on PS1. And Big Andy of course is a genious. Message in a bottle being their absolute top imo. Perfect drum beat, guitar riff, vocal melody, just perfect.

I think, per capita, they were the greatest band ever. Out of the 54 songs they released (to my knowledge), a huge amount of them are classics.

Message in a Bottle is just so, so good. Classic Sting going full English on us is so nice in that song. I'd say their absolute best song usually depends on my mood, but King of Pain is the one I'd go to most often if I had a gun to my head.

#32 Edited by MirkoS77 (7324 posts) -

Link

TL; DR list (read why in the link):

1. They're making some new characters

2. They're making fun original games

3. They are working with bright (Japanese) Indie developers

4. They are running an interesting online service

I love it.

You made an "interesting" dinner.

This is always a nice way to say something sucks.

#33 Edited by david61983 (156 posts) -

Nintendo really screwed the pooch with the Wii and Wii U. What they had to do was quite simple as Scottpsfan said. Simply make a true next gen console, call it the Wii 2, and price it accordingly. It wouldn't have to be quite as powerful as the PS4. Xbone specs would probably be enough. Get rid of the stupid tablet, make a real controller, and price it around $350. Then do whatever you have to do to get back in the good graces of 3rd party developers. They should have done all of this and released at the same time as the PS4 and Xbone and never made the stupid Wii U in the first place.

At that point the Nintendo console would be the default choice of most gamers. Most people only buy one console and the Nintendo one would make the most sense as it's the only place you can get Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Pikmin, etc. Imagine if you could play all the Nintendo exclusives with true next gen graphics while also getting true next versions of GTA, Red Dead, Assassins Creed, Batman Arkham Knight, Call of Duty, Bioshock, Tomb Raider, Watch Dogs, the Witcher 3, Destiny, etc. If you're only getting one next gen console wouldn't the Nintendo one make the most sense for most people under my scenario? I truly don't understand why Nintendo is so incompetent.

#34 Posted by DJ-Lafleur (34145 posts) -

Miiverse is interesting in theory.

Too bad a good chuck of posts that come from it make me lose brain cells...

#35 Edited by Speak_Low (1009 posts) -

For all the jokes about Microsoft and Xbox Live having the most immature 10 year olds on CoD, Nintendo chose to limit chatting in Mario Kart 8 to Friends-only lobbies because they took one look at Miiverse and realized that most of their online users have disturbing minds.

Nintendo is scared of their own online community.

#36 Posted by FreedomFreeLife (2361 posts) -

No online, no buy. Simple as that.

#37 Edited by LegendaryBadass (365 posts) -

@nintendoboy16:

I admire how Nintendo has stayed alive by not directly competing against these huge companies. It's hard to be at the top when a whale enters your swimming pool.

I don't have a Wii U, Xbox One, or PS4 yet, but to tell you the truth the Wii U sounds like fun. It just should be cheaper, with a higher res screen on the gamepad, and better online integration.

#38 Edited by PS4hasNOgames (1495 posts) -

No online, no buy. Simple as that.

um, they have online...its just dead lol. I think some kids don't know how to set it up or their parents won't let.

#39 Edited by KungfuKitten (20963 posts) -

@david61983 said:

Nintendo really screwed the pooch with the Wii and Wii U. What they had to do was quite simple as Scottpsfan said. Simply make a true next gen console, call it the Wii 2, and price it accordingly. It wouldn't have to be quite as powerful as the PS4. Xbone specs would probably be enough. Get rid of the stupid tablet, make a real controller, and price it around $350. Then do whatever you have to do to get back in the good graces of 3rd party developers. They should have done all of this and released at the same time as the PS4 and Xbone and never made the stupid Wii U in the first place.

At that point the Nintendo console would be the default choice of most gamers. Most people only buy one console and the Nintendo one would make the most sense as it's the only place you can get Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Pikmin, etc. Imagine if you could play all the Nintendo exclusives with true next gen graphics while also getting true next versions of GTA, Red Dead, Assassins Creed, Batman Arkham Knight, Call of Duty, Bioshock, Tomb Raider, Watch Dogs, the Witcher 3, Destiny, etc. If you're only getting one next gen console wouldn't the Nintendo one make the most sense for most people under my scenario? I truly don't understand why Nintendo is so incompetent.

I doubt that people are waiting for Nintendo to take several steps back with a normal controller, and make a more expensive console that is more powerful, while still not attracting 3rd party devs. Only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo platforms, with some exceptional Nintendo-esque 3rd party games. What you are describing would be worse in pretty much every way except for visuals. And I think the Nintendo exclusive visuals look fantastic as they are. There's no upsides. only downsides if they went that route.

The Wii U gamepad is a definite upgrade from the gamecube controller and Wii controller. It's more comfy, offers wayyy more versatility. The gyroscopes work well, the screen is a nice addition and it has a mic. The triggers and buttons work better. It's better in pretty much every way. I don't get this idea of going back to a 'normal' controller. It's like riding a horse when everyone else is driving a car. Maybe it's what you're used to but that doesn't make it better.

#40 Edited by Pffrbt (6553 posts) -

A massive Mario game called 'Super Mario Revolution'. The true successor to Mario 64. An epic adventure. Not just a 3D version of Super Mario Bros like Super Mario 3D World is.

But you already got Sunshine and 3D World isn't just a 3D version of Super Mario Bros since it's actually fun to play and it's better than Mario 64 ever was.

#41 Posted by FreedomFreeLife (2361 posts) -

@FreedomFreeLife said:

No online, no buy. Simple as that.

um, they have online...its just dead lol. I think some kids don't know how to set it up or their parents won't let.

dead and most games dont support online. games that support online has no cloud, no stats, no rank, no dlc, no trophies/achivements, NOTHING. Wii U online is like PS2 online back in 2002.

#42 Edited by AznbkdX (3140 posts) -

I can agree with most of those points. The online system is iffy though so not so much that one. Browser, Miiverse, and game captures is nice at least but that's as far as it goes. Otherwise the only point that is right but also pointless imo is the new character one. It's true that there are new characters, but as he says literally right after that (and even in the portion) very few of those new characters are characters that most "core" gamers give a crap about. Dillon? Who the hell is he? Mallo? He's wearing a diaper! Rosalina? Hey, it's Peach but taller! (honestly this one is a stretch gamer wise). Mii? wtf Nintendo casual crap! I can go on and on and on...

I know... he made a good point about new characters. Too bad it doesn't matter to a good amount of the people who actually read Kotaku.

#43 Posted by scottpsfan14 (4719 posts) -
@Pffrbt said:

@scottpsfan14 said:

A massive Mario game called 'Super Mario Revolution'. The true successor to Mario 64. An epic adventure. Not just a 3D version of Super Mario Bros like Super Mario 3D World is.

But you already got Sunshine and 3D World isn't just a 3D version of Super Mario Bros since it's actually fun to play and it's better than Mario 64 ever was.

No. No just no. Nintensheep have got to learn that what Nintendo are doing is bad. They are squandering their money they made with the Wii and DS and for what? The Wii U? Mario 64 is a better game than any mario game on Wii U. Fact.

#44 Edited by david61983 (156 posts) -

@KungfuKitten: I meant make a controller like that on the PS4 or Xbone. Of course don't make one like the Wii or Gamecube. Maybe I'm the only one, but I'd love a true next gen system by Nintendo comparable to the PS4 where you could play Nintendo exclusives but also play all the good 3rd party titles in true next gen form.

#45 Posted by NathanDrakeSwag (5127 posts) -

They aren't doing anything right. Wiiu is the biggest flop of a console in decades and handhelds are dead outside japan. Nintendo won't be making hardware much longer and sheeps need to face that reality.

#46 Edited by LegatoSkyheart (25151 posts) -

There's only one thing Nintendo is doing right and that's Delivering on the Games.

While Sony and Microsoft duke it out on Resolution Gate or Whatever BS PR that Fanboys are eating these days.

Nintendo is Funding and Providing Amazing Games like The Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World, Mario Kart 8, Kid Icarus Uprising, and 2013's GOTY Zelda A Link Between Worlds.

They Also seem to be giving a lot more crap on Localizations as well, Heck Who thought Tomodachi Life was going to be coming to North America? Anyone? Also The Fact Nintendo has been Hyping up Xenoblade 2 (Project X for you all) for the past 2 years and giving North America AND Europe Earthbound just shows Nintendo is doing more on the Localization Process more than ever before, wouldn't be surprised if we see Mother 1 and 3 on WiiU thanks to Nintendo starting releasing GBA Games on the WiiU Virtual Console.

And Last Nintendo is hosting a SMASH BROS INVATIONAL TOURNAMENT at E3. That's a COMPLETE 180 from last year where they tried to take down Melee off the EVO Rosters.

Nintendo is not doing good on their console space, but they're taking MASSIVE steps towards a better future. To many these look like baby steps, but to me as a long time Nintendo fan, I can see that Nintendo is changing and it might be for the better.

#47 Posted by Optical_Order (5100 posts) -

You know, maybe this Wii U suck fest will be good for them.

They've learned they can't rely on casual gamers to buy their systems, however they also learned over the years that innovation really does pay off. Nintendo has always seemed willing to try new things. Maybe now they can limit their margin of error by focusing on the people who will actually look to buy their console every generation while maintaining interesting approaches on their games and tech.

#48 Edited by PurpleMan5000 (7138 posts) -

@Pffrbt said:

@scottpsfan14 said:

A massive Mario game called 'Super Mario Revolution'. The true successor to Mario 64. An epic adventure. Not just a 3D version of Super Mario Bros like Super Mario 3D World is.

But you already got Sunshine and 3D World isn't just a 3D version of Super Mario Bros since it's actually fun to play and it's better than Mario 64 ever was.

No. No just no. Nintensheep have got to learn that what Nintendo are doing is bad. They are squandering their money they made with the Wii and DS and for what? The Wii U? Mario 64 is a better game than any mario game on Wii U. Fact.

Mario 64 is the 4th best 3D Mario game. From best to worst, they are

  1. 3D World
  2. Galaxy 2
  3. Galaxy
  4. 64
  5. Sunshine
  6. 3D Land
#49 Edited by scottpsfan14 (4719 posts) -

@scottpsfan14 said:
@Pffrbt said:

@scottpsfan14 said:

A massive Mario game called 'Super Mario Revolution'. The true successor to Mario 64. An epic adventure. Not just a 3D version of Super Mario Bros like Super Mario 3D World is.

But you already got Sunshine and 3D World isn't just a 3D version of Super Mario Bros since it's actually fun to play and it's better than Mario 64 ever was.

No. No just no. Nintensheep have got to learn that what Nintendo are doing is bad. They are squandering their money they made with the Wii and DS and for what? The Wii U? Mario 64 is a better game than any mario game on Wii U. Fact.

Mario 64 is the 4th best 3D Mario game. From best to worst, they are

  1. 3D World
  2. Galaxy 2
  3. Galaxy
  4. 64
  5. Sunshine
  6. 3D Land

Thats your opinion.

#50 Edited by PurpleMan5000 (7138 posts) -

@PurpleMan5000 said:

@scottpsfan14 said:

No. No just no. Nintensheep have got to learn that what Nintendo are doing is bad. They are squandering their money they made with the Wii and DS and for what? The Wii U? Mario 64 is a better game than any mario game on Wii U. Fact.

Mario 64 is the 4th best 3D Mario game. From best to worst, they are

  1. 3D World
  2. Galaxy 2
  3. Galaxy
  4. 64
  5. Sunshine
  6. 3D Land

Thats your opinion.

Nope. Mario 64 is worse than every Mario game on Wii U. Fact.