Good, I guess, but this is just more proof that the "post J. Allard MS" should have stuck with the philosophy they had when his team designed the 360. Maybe then we'd have a more powerful console that had some form of BC for at least XBLA titles too.
I think that's a really bad idea, unless they already filled in all the developers working on titles for the system. They invested a whole bunch in the Kinect connection, and now here we are...
That's pretty significant news.
In terms of developer relations - you bet your ass this burned bridges. Need proof? Go check out John T Drake from Harmonix latest tweet.
Well that's my point: Microsoft really didn't support it very well for games to begin with. It was mostly a selling point for media features.
And as a grown as man i like media features, dont live in my parents bedroom, like to watch tv and movies. My point is i like media features, and if they are dropping support, im getting boned.
Because manly men always like media features on their consoles! *strikes a buff pose*
Smart move on their end over at MS. While I like the Kinect and it works great I don't use it other than it signing me in.
They will get a ton of crap from forum fanboys and the like but in the end it comes down to what the consumers see on the shelves.
If this is true the xbox one will be the same price and have pretty much all of the same games. The majority of buyers out there don't know about resolution or MS mistakes early on. Of course those that did knew where to spend their money on release based on that info.
There are millions of people out there that haven't bought a new gen system and know nothing about specs or all of the fanboy/forum talk. It boils down to price and the name recognition of Sony or Xbox.
This is a good move by them to hopefully pick up on sales by being the same price.
What most of the die hard lems on this board will be eating today. Looking forward to the good sportsmanship from a select few who will come out and admit it.
MS screwed us, will eat crow when its appropriate. The feathers are tough to chew.
Microsoft commited to the Kinect its public support as late as this February, and 3 months later it is gone. Going by the fact that the console w/o Kinect is slated to hit on June 9th, the day of E3, i'm assuming this was originally meant to be an E3 announcement. Going by what I know from my side of things, April and May (so far) have not been kind to X1 demand here in the US.
I'm guessing this announcement was made to get ahead of April NPDs being released in a few days, as well as creating a strong business case as to how they concede the month of May. If the sales difference for these two months can really be that vast for two months in a row in its prime selling territory, I don't think that puts forth a strong image of the brand going into E3.
Once again, the ones I feel bad for in all of this are early adopters, who bought into the ideas and vision MS was selling, just to have the rug pulled out from under them after 7 months of being on the market. Those fans, who bought the X1 and its Kinect-controlled vision and games at a $100 premium, are now kind of abandoned. People will drum up comparisons of this move and what Nintendo did with the 3DS when it dropped its price less than a year into the device being sold, and I don't think thats simply true. Nintendo created the ambassador program to compensate those early adopters. I am honestly hopeful early Xbone purchasers see similar compensation.
No need to really. Kinetic-enabled apps and navigation will continue to get updates and optimization. The device will still be sold. My son enjoys some Kinect games, but more than anything Skype and the navigating portions of it are what I use it for. I haven't lost anything by MS doing this. Since Phil took over I'm now going to get free games every month, I know the company is hell-bent on securing great games. This was a business choice and smart move. Doesn't change how I use my One at all.
I think that's a really bad idea, unless they already filled in all the developers working on titles for the system. They invested a whole bunch in the Kinect connection, and now here we are...
I'm getting the feeling that lems are angry because they had to pay $100 more a few months ago. If this were an option from the get go, it would've eclipsed the kinect bundle.
Hey at least by the time, say me, or any other person who held out for obvious reasons get the better product after all the die hard lems have beta tested the system for us :P
Right in time for that Sunset black friday bungaloo at $350, or dare I say $299.
Man Microsoft really cannot sell anyone on their 'vision' for console gaming. First they had to dump all their always-online crap and now this. At least they're willing to change I guess, that or unwilling to take the sales hits it causes. Looks like we're going right back to last gen now.
It makes sense to me that games like Titanfall didn't take advantage of the Kinect stuff at all. They were probably in on it, and didn't want to limit their sales-base. Thankfully, games that did like Ryse and Dead Rising 3 will work fine without voice or gesture commands.
TF was multiplat so why would it use Kinect?
Devs have to make a game specifically for the XOne and not XOne\360\PC for Kinect to a major part of a game. Not going to happen now.
Well Mass Effect 3 was multiplatform, and it still had that, "Better With Kinect" stuff. I actually enjoyed talking during the dialogue parts, switching weapons and telling team mates to shoot particular targets, but it was far from essential. I was just saying that the absence of Kinect was fairly conspicuous in TitanFall, as was the absence of Smart Glass. Now it makes a lot more sense.
Good point. We'll have to see what the future holds for Kinect but what ever it is it'll be less of it now.
Microsoft commited to the Kinect its public support as late as this February, and 3 months later it is gone. Going by the fact that the console w/o Kinect is slated to hit on June 9th, the day of E3, i'm assuming this was originally meant to be an E3 announcement. Going by what I know from my side of things, April and May (so far) have not been kind to X1 demand here in the US.
I'm guessing this announcement was made to get ahead of April NPDs being released in a few days, as well as creating a strong business case as to how they concede the month of May. If the sales difference for these two months can really be that vast for two months in a row in its prime selling territory, I don't think that puts forth a strong image of the brand going into E3.
Once again, the ones I feel bad for in all of this are early adopters, who bought into the ideas and vision MS was selling, just to have the rug pulled out from under them after 7 months of being on the market. Those fans, who bought the X1 and its Kinect-controlled vision and games at a $100 premium, are now kind of abandoned. People will drum up comparisons of this move and what Nintendo did with the 3DS when it dropped its price less than a year into the device being sold, and I don't think thats simply true. Nintendo created the ambassador program to compensate those early adopters. I am honestly hopeful early Xbone purchasers see similar compensation.
No need to really. Kinetic-enabled apps and navigation will continue to get updates and optimization. The device will still be sold. My son enjoys some Kinect games, but more than anything Skype and the navigating portions of it are what I use it for. I haven't lost anything by MS doing this. Since Phil took over I'm now going to get free games every month, I know the company is hell-bent on securing great games. This was a business choice and smart move. Doesn't change how I use my One at all.
Except your are more than likely going to get less support for the device going forward, ESPECIALLY if the Kinect-Less sku really takes off. But this isn't about the Kinect and its sellability - if you purchased the system already, then we already know that the console had sales appeal for you.
Since Spencer took over? Games w/Gold has been in place since last E3 (on 360). All today's announcement did was turn it into PS+ and put it on X1, which is amazing! But I wouldn't necessarily say this is all a result of one man.
Put it this way - if the X1 was selling like hotcakes, do you think ANY of today's announcements would've happened? These were all reactionary to poor reception and sales.
I think that's a really bad idea, unless they already filled in all the developers working on titles for the system. They invested a whole bunch in the Kinect connection, and now here we are...
That's pretty significant news.
Jeff speaks the truth. Games like Fantasia Music Evolved were getting some love last year at E3. This new sku will have a negative impact on their games sales. Microsoft including the Kinect with every console gave devs incentive to create games using the tech. Now devs will just ignore it like they did last gen on 360.
If MS didn't have oodles of money to fall back on, the Xbox brand would have been a huge failure by now. It amazes me that basic foundational principles of customer relations elude a company like MS.
I have no idea why you'd be upset about this. Look at the facts: you still get to use the feature the way you want to use it; more people will buy Xbox One now (including me) ; devs won't do anything with Kinect differently just because some One's don't have Kinect.
Because they are basically saying kinect is a throw away.....why would they continue to support it and improve it?
Well that's my point: Microsoft really didn't support it very well for games to begin with. It was mostly a selling point for media features.
And as a grown as man i like media features, dont live in my parents bedroom, like to watch tv and movies. My point is i like media features, and if they are dropping support, im getting boned.
Same here
how are you not fired up? frankly im pissed if they are gonna start phasing out kinect.
What most of the die hard lems on this board will be eating today. Looking forward to the good sportsmanship from a select few who will come out and admit it.
MS screwed us, will eat crow when its appropriate. The feathers are tough to chew.
Yeah, I'm chewing on a bit of crow, but the free games on the way helps it go down a bit better :)
What most of the die hard lems on this board will be eating today. Looking forward to the good sportsmanship from a select few who will come out and admit it.
MS screwed us, will eat crow when its appropriate. The feathers are tough to chew.
Yeah, I'm chewing on a bit of crow, but the free games on the way helps it go down a bit better :)
they aren't free now Shawn..lol, it's just like PSN+ :)
What most of the die hard lems on this board will be eating today. Looking forward to the good sportsmanship from a select few who will come out and admit it.
MS screwed us, will eat crow when its appropriate. The feathers are tough to chew.
Yeah, I'm chewing on a bit of crow, but the free games on the way helps it go down a bit better :)
What most of the die hard lems on this board will be eating today. Looking forward to the good sportsmanship from a select few who will come out and admit it.
MS screwed us, will eat crow when its appropriate. The feathers are tough to chew.
Yeah, I'm chewing on a bit of crow, but the free games on the way helps it go down a bit better :)
they aren't free now Shawn..lol, it's just like PSN+ :)
What most of the die hard lems on this board will be eating today. Looking forward to the good sportsmanship from a select few who will come out and admit it.
MS screwed us, will eat crow when its appropriate. The feathers are tough to chew.
Yeah, I'm chewing on a bit of crow, but the free games on the way helps it go down a bit better :)
they aren't free now Shawn..lol, it's just like PSN+ :)
Lol, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. New games each month is just a smart move. MS is gearing up for one hell of a Games-focused E3. I expect all the TV integrations/new apps stuff will leak soon too.
What most of the die hard lems on this board will be eating today. Looking forward to the good sportsmanship from a select few who will come out and admit it.
MS screwed us, will eat crow when its appropriate. The feathers are tough to chew.
Yeah, I'm chewing on a bit of crow, but the free games on the way helps it go down a bit better :)
'free' games...you mean rented games? It's like PS+. Also, appreciating you being a sport.
Loool the xbone has to be the biggest screw up in the history of system wars. Now they can't even make games with kinect as default cause not everyone has one. Greedy M$ instead of just taking the hit and dropping the price.. Just wow M$ is crumbling quick. May just be the end of xbox.
What most of the die hard lems on this board will be eating today. Looking forward to the good sportsmanship from a select few who will come out and admit it.
MS screwed us, will eat crow when its appropriate. The feathers are tough to chew.
Yeah, I'm chewing on a bit of crow, but the free games on the way helps it go down a bit better :)
they aren't free now Shawn..lol, it's just like PSN+ :)
I have no idea why you'd be upset about this. Look at the facts: you still get to use the feature the way you want to use it; more people will buy Xbox One now (including me) ; devs won't do anything with Kinect differently just because some One's don't have Kinect.
Because they are basically saying kinect is a throw away.....why would they continue to support it and improve it?
Well that's my point: Microsoft really didn't support it very well for games to begin with. It was mostly a selling point for media features.
And as a grown as man i like media features, dont live in my parents bedroom, like to watch tv and movies. My point is i like media features, and if they are dropping support, im getting boned.
Same here
how are you not fired up? frankly im pissed if they are gonna start phasing out kinect.
Haven't you seen my posts in this thread? I am fired up and angry. I also tweeted Major Nelson and Xbox to show my distaste......like it will matter.
Microsoft commited to the Kinect its public support as late as this February, and 3 months later it is gone. Going by the fact that the console w/o Kinect is slated to hit on June 9th, the day of E3, i'm assuming this was originally meant to be an E3 announcement. Going by what I know from my side of things, April and May (so far) have not been kind to X1 demand here in the US.
I'm guessing this announcement was made to get ahead of April NPDs being released in a few days, as well as creating a strong business case as to how they concede the month of May. If the sales difference for these two months can really be that vast for two months in a row in its prime selling territory, I don't think that puts forth a strong image of the brand going into E3.
Once again, the ones I feel bad for in all of this are early adopters, who bought into the ideas and vision MS was selling, just to have the rug pulled out from under them after 7 months of being on the market. Those fans, who bought the X1 and its Kinect-controlled vision and games at a $100 premium, are now kind of abandoned. People will drum up comparisons of this move and what Nintendo did with the 3DS when it dropped its price less than a year into the device being sold, and I don't think thats simply true. Nintendo created the ambassador program to compensate those early adopters. I am honestly hopeful early Xbone purchasers see similar compensation.
No need to really. Kinetic-enabled apps and navigation will continue to get updates and optimization. The device will still be sold. My son enjoys some Kinect games, but more than anything Skype and the navigating portions of it are what I use it for. I haven't lost anything by MS doing this. Since Phil took over I'm now going to get free games every month, I know the company is hell-bent on securing great games. This was a business choice and smart move. Doesn't change how I use my One at all.
What most of the die hard lems on this board will be eating today. Looking forward to the good sportsmanship from a select few who will come out and admit it.
MS screwed us, will eat crow when its appropriate. The feathers are tough to chew.
Yeah, I'm chewing on a bit of crow, but the free games on the way helps it go down a bit better :)
they aren't free now Shawn..lol, it's just like PSN+ :)
Lol, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. New games each month is just a smart move. MS is gearing up for one hell of a Games-focused E3. I expect all the TV integrations/new apps stuff will leak soon too.
Yeah, I wonder if SONY will go for a price cut too, should be an amazing E3.
"CVG: A quick word on Kinect - I presume there will never be an Xbox One sold without it. You are doing this for developer-related reasons as much as your own. You want all developers to know that they can always implement Kinect technology because it always comes with every system. Would that be correct?"
"Harrison: Correct. Xbox One is Kinect. They are not separate systems. An Xbox One has chips, it has memory, it has Blu-ray, it has Kinect, it has a controller. These are all part of the platform ecosystem."
fast forward
on June 9th, in all markets where Xbox One is sold, we will offer Xbox One starting at $399. This is a new console option that does not include Kinect.
LMAO broken dreams MS have, lost is their selling point
If MS didn't have oodles of money to fall back on, the Xbox brand would have been a huge failure by now. It amazes me that basic foundational principles of customer relations elude a company like MS.
Good grief.
Ding! Don't get me wrong, I think that today's announcements were necessary for the long-term viability of the Xbox One as a games platform. Again, from within the industry, these last 6 weeks have been super interesting/worrisome in relation to the Xbox. We knew it was being outsold, and this thursday should shed more light on this.
Oh well. So they are going to emulate pretty much all the strong things Sony has done right. Now, I want to see how good their execution is going to be.
What most of the die hard lems on this board will be eating today. Looking forward to the good sportsmanship from a select few who will come out and admit it.
MS screwed us, will eat crow when its appropriate. The feathers are tough to chew.
Yeah, I'm chewing on a bit of crow, but the free games on the way helps it go down a bit better :)
lol that is like slap the XB1 owner right in the face and than say "Sucker" So much for Kinect is a must. If anything MS should come out a Blu-Ray less SKU with $399
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