Kinectless Xbox One sku incoming!!!!

I like how cows are just shitting on this, lol.

Anyway, great move by Microsoft. Now, if Sunset Overdrive turns out to be a good game, the One may just have my attention more than the PS4 currently does.

Isn't it a good thing that the new people in charge seem to be trying to rectify the mistakes of the past rather than repeating them?

The entire One Guide, Snap, NFL Fantasy Football app, quick switching, and all of the Xbox One exclusive games are more than enough to be a difference. At the end of the day even though the 360 had better multiplat performances the PS3 sold 80+ million just like the 360 did. Games, price, features sell consoles. All else is BS at the end of the day. I can't get Halo 5, Gears of War 4, Forza Horizon, Fable Legends, Killer Instinct, Sunset Overdrive or Quantum Break on PS4 and I care more about that more than playing the new CoD in 1080p versus whatever resolution it'll be on the One.

@finalstar2007 said:

Will it actually work this time? will it be scratched off like the rest of the things? :P

It's safe to assume that if this doesn't put them over sony numbers consistently, than its 2nd place for the rest of the gen.

@finalstar2007 said:

Will it actually work this time? will it be scratched off like the rest of the things? :P

scratch it off!! x1 titanfall bundle WITH kinect was selling for $450 last month and it didnt beat ps4, how the hell is stand alone console for 399 gona stand a chance. $399 + titanfall then it could sell good

i have to admit...this is surprising. but oh well...

You should be able to sell it, actually. Once this SKU hits, there will be people looking to buy them used.

ken kutaragi comes to mind..cows were so glad to see that guy gone

A smart business move, but it's still annoying when people/companies go back on their word, especially when they were saying how essential it was.

Phil Harrison said before:

""Correct. Xbox One is Kinect. They are not separate systems. An Xbox One has chips, it has memory, it has Blu-ray, it has Kinect, it has a controller. These are all part of the platform ecosystem.""

I'm getting the feeling that lems are angry because they had to pay $100 more a few months ago. If this were an option from the get go, it would've eclipsed the kinect bundle.

great move MS position your system at the same pricepoint as the ps4, a more powerful system. Gee i wonder which gamers will pick.

At least before i could pretend i bought an xbox one because i felt the R&D costs of kinect justified it. Now im just a sucker, think i wanna see xbox die now.

Because they are basically saying kinect is a throw away.....why would they continue to support it and improve it?

lol Good times, I remember one guy having "I'd fall on my sword for Ken Kutaragi" in his sig for ages ...

The writing was on the wall. Nobody wanted that pos. Now devs, and potential buyers can ignore it.

Good, maybe they'll be able to outsell the Wii U now.

PS4 and Xbox One . Now one console with two names .

Wow , so much variety .

yes it is. im just laughing at all the lems who seem to think x1 is selling good, its selling garbage compared to m$ expectations hence the desperation bundles last month and with titanfall now flopping they are forced to remove kinect.

bu-bu x1 is selling good guys!! dont worry!!

Good move. Should be cheaper than the PS4 though, since it's weaker. Or at least chuck in some free games.

you make it sound like they had no choice but to use kinect.

Well that's my point: Microsoft really didn't support it very well for games to begin with. It was mostly a selling point for media features.

Yup Xbone must be getting slaughtered. The tiny peak from Titanfall not giving them sales edge in march was probably the first dream they awoke from.

When you remove a finger from the button your supposed to be pushing to record something I think that is a hindrance. Saying "Xbox record that" is intuitive and smooth.

I think its less to do with titanfall than the new crowd realising that 90% of gamers don't give a crap about kinect. The idea is sort of cool I guess (I have zero interest I might add) but its just irrelevant for most games. I still think the PS4 is going to smear the XB1 if they are at the same price though.

I would have still bought it with kinect because MS sold me on it.....bait and switch MS!

TF was multiplat so why would it use Kinect?

Devs have to make a game specifically for the XOne and not XOne\360\PC for Kinect to a major part of a game. Not going to happen now.

Microsoft commited to the Kinect its public support as late as this February, and 3 months later it is gone. Going by the fact that the console w/o Kinect is slated to hit on June 9th, the day of E3, i'm assuming this was originally meant to be an E3 announcement. Going by what I know from my side of things, April and May (so far) have not been kind to X1 demand here in the US.

I'm guessing this announcement was made to get ahead of April NPDs being released in a few days, as well as creating a strong business case as to how they concede the month of May. If the sales difference for these two months can really be that vast for two months in a row in its prime selling territory, I don't think that puts forth a strong image of the brand going into E3.

Once again, the ones I feel bad for in all of this are early adopters, who bought into the ideas and vision MS was selling, just to have the rug pulled out from under them after 7 months of being on the market. Those fans, who bought the X1 and its Kinect-controlled vision and games at a $100 premium, are now kind of abandoned. People will drum up comparisons of this move and what Nintendo did with the 3DS when it dropped its price less than a year into the device being sold, and I don't think thats simply true. Nintendo created the ambassador program to compensate those early adopters. I am honestly hopeful early Xbone purchasers see similar compensation.

@kingtito: titanfall may have been multilplat it they acted as if it was exclusive. I was surprised they didn't use kinect for team video chat since it supported so few players it wouldn't of been to hectic.

@Suppaman100 said:

LMAO!!!

Phil Spencer paying dividends with common sense.

Maybe that is what microsoft will announce at it's E3 conference.

Yusuf cried before recording!

bb bb bbbut the kinect is in our dna we do think that people with kinect have the better experience, like Xbone play titanfall... haha

you can see the defeat in his eyes

Hey at least by the time, say me, or any other person who held out for obvious reasons get the better product after all the die hard lems have beta tested the system for us :P

Well I guess I should of waited and lol @kinect(lol) being dropped so early on..lolz

You will take One Guide and the Fantasy Football app over 1080p resolution and better frame rates?

And regarding your last sentence I do agree when it comes to multiplats on consoles the native resolution really isn't a huge deal. I bought Battlefield 4 on XB1 because I thought the community would be more active vs PS4. But if someone can only get 1 of the consoles, native resolution can be a deciding factor. Multiplats have driven the market for years and when multiplats are always better on one console it's hard to get consumers on your side. This is why Sony's PR has been hitting 1080p 60fps so hard. (even when its not true) That is why Microsoft needed to keep kinect in every box. It was something that set them apart.

No, it actually is selling it. Its the second fastest selling console ever, and all those people who thought whatever at MS are no longer in charge. Phil Spencer is doing one hell of a job in changing course. It'll be interesting to see where things are a year from now.

You make it sound like potential buyers had no choice but to pay for something they didn't want in the first place... oh wait!

Anyone that wants to use kinect features like the one you mentioned a little ago can still use it. There was no option for those that didn't want kinect, now there is. Whats wrong with that?

Me too.

I highly doubt that unfortunately.

The Fighter Within.

I think that's a really bad idea, unless they already filled in all the developers working on titles for the system. They invested a whole bunch in the Kinect connection, and now here we are...

That's pretty significant news.

And as a grown as man i like media features, dont live in my parents bedroom, like to watch tv and movies. My point is i like media features, and if they are dropping support, im getting boned.

Yes MS did act as if it was exclusive but it wasn't MS that developed the game.

lol kinect and lol @ you buying one, you big fat lemming. :P

sony @e3: we will bundle playstation camera with the console for 399$

this would be hilarious

^^^haha that delusion. cut it out shawn, if it was selling good they wouldnt need to do all this 5-6 months after launch, sure its selling some but not nearly as much m$ had hoped. u still think titanfall 2 is going to be exclusive? NO WAY

also, expect ps4 to still slaughter it even in us, the bundle deals they were offering were much better than this, 399 for standalone is horrible deal compared to last months. 350+ titanfall then they could sell more than sony in us otherwise no chance

TH68HBO!

What most of the die hard lems on this board will be eating today. Looking forward to the good sportsmanship from a select few who will come out and admit it.

Same here

Well Mass Effect 3 was multiplatform, and it still had that, "Better With Kinect" stuff. I actually enjoyed talking during the dialogue parts, switching weapons and telling team mates to shoot particular targets, but it was far from essential. I was just saying that the absence of Kinect was fairly conspicuous in TitanFall, as was the absence of Smart Glass. Now it makes a lot more sense.