Iwata: Nintendo's future will be determined this holiday

Pathetic.

Or, in other words "stuck in the past"?

You know, the most common statements said about Nintendo on this forum and other places?

@charizard1605: Power never mattered for handhelds.....ever, and the wii sold because of its gimmich motion controls. The wii ewww has nothing to draw the casuals like the handhelds and the wii. It's more of a basic traditional console, but a gen behind which is why me and millions of other dont want it. Had the wii eww actually have been next gen, more ppl would have been interested because it would have been a true step into the upcoming gen, but it wasn't. Also, it would have better dev support

@Lucianu: You're right. It's pathetic but true..

What does that have to do with pragmatic concerns of running the company?

'Gimmich.' Lol

The Wii sold because of Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Party, and other games casuals wanted.

The 3DS sold because of Mario and Pokemon and Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing and Monster Hunter.

The DS sold because of Nintendogs and Brain Age.

The PS3, for all its power, sold like absolute shit until it had Metal Gear Solid, Uncharted, Killzone, inFamous, Ratchet and Clank.

Do you realize the common theme you asinine, insufferable fool? It's fucking games. No one gives two shits about hardware.

Rofl, just rofl.

At least I linked. You know what, I'll link to the proper sources that Wikipedia links to if it makes you feel any better.

What did you link to? Oh that's right. Nothing.

Sorry, but this foul piece of analphabetic shit you smudged on the forums -

It really is pathetic in many ways.

@charizard1605: Everyone but sheep care about hardware. The wii is the first and last last-gen console to ever be successful. Noone cared about the wii's graphics bcuz you didn't need good graphics to play wii sports. Consoles should never be a gen behind unless they have something different to bring to the table which the wii eww doesn't. Just stop defending that pos, it makes you look bad lol

Nintendo is fine. It's financially healthier than Sony. Chances are they'll either focus on handheld, or just make another home console (they actually have the resources to "try again", unlike Sony). Sony has been making losses for the past five years and it didn't die, Nintendo on the other hand actually made quite a bit of profit in 2013. However, it's pretty amusing that Nintendo is currently making more money from Wii than Wii U.

Wii U's strategy was not flawed in essence. Just like 3DS it could have sold extremely well, if it had the legion of games supporting its weak hardware. However, that's easier said than done since the home console market is dominated by multiplats, not exclusives - a grave contrast to the handheld market.

Probably a lot. Nintendo is not just being criticized for being backwards on their hardware, Char. They are also making business decisions that keep the "NintenDOOM" nonsense building every passing day. When you brought up the "times have changed" comment over the possibility of Sony and Nintendo working together again, that is where I felt that comment was necessary.

The PS2 won over the GCN and Xbox. Both of them were significantly more powerful than the PS2.

The PS1 won over N64 and Saturn. Both of them were significantly more powerful.

The SNES won over the TurboGrafx-16. It was significantly more powerful.

The NES won over the Master System. It was significantly more powerful.

These systems won because they had the games, not the hardware.

Get that through your empty skull, and then maybe it won't be so fucking empty anymore.

*sigh*

Nintendo keeps its hardware (and other things) backwards out of pragmatic concerns of making money, nintendoboy

Pragmatic, or not. You know it's not getting them on good terms with much of anything with the Wii U right now. Explain all the complaints of the graphics and the online being weak.

I'm just saying that even if Nintendo "not getting with the times" comments are true, then I don't see them bothering working with the monsters they inadvertently created.

The PS3 was selling horribly and even with the 600 price tag, Sony was losing with every console sold. How in the world is that not similar to the Wii-Us (if not worse) position. The ps3 didn't start gaining momentum until almost 2 years of release.

The 3DS was also a sinking ship, Nintendo released a very convincing montage of fantastic games within 6 month period. Third parties then joined the band-wagon after it started to sell well.

Nintendo has used the 3DS as an example of what they want to do with the Wii-U.

Nintendo, go 3rd party, stick with the PC, it's where the nostalgic 30 year olds are now.

And they still can. I don't want to hear this business about "third party blah blah blah" because things always change every generation in sales trends so if third party titles are going to be vastly different on PS4, Xbox One and PC this generation, who's to say if they sale well on all those platforms?

I do, because if push comes to shove Nintendo will want to sell the most amount of games that they can especially in light of losing the hardware revenue stream, so a two and a half decade old grudge match won't have any meaning for them then.

@charizard1605: NONE of those consoles were last gen tho....did you not see where I wrote "last gen"? The ps2 and all those consoles were within the current gen boundaries

Do you know what a generation is defined as or by, Kaszilla?

@charizard1605: I'm speaking hardware and you know that, stop trying to flex

If power is the be-all end-all for you, why aren't you exclusively a PC gamer?

This is looking bad.

Then go PC gaming and stop trying to justify the pathetic consoles.

Char what yoshi were you talking about?

For 3DS? Yoshi's New Island.

You seem to be too stupid to realize your LINK did not lead to a SOURCE but just WORDS TYPED which is why you don't have anything.

It's the equal of you writing in a Sega page that they invented the Igloo with no source as a way to debate that Sega Invented something. If you want to prove a point you need a source. You are also talking about a time of it being third-party which was NOT subject to the discussion. Before it was brought Atari had $5 billion, as I had a date of period when the Jaguar was beng focused on to the other divisions cut off, which in no way would be AFTER Atari became third-party.

Please continue to switch goal posts and change subjects to make yourself feel better. I just really like how your source is just words typed on a Wiki with no source. I can't even find it buy coping and pasting the exact words on multiple engines and finding no articles that say it.

Here's an extra source. Notice how at the top (if you see this before it's edited) that this page says you died in an Igloo. Which means you are not really here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igloo (<Clearly says you died in an igloo with no source, but because it's a wiki link it's true.)

Notice that because I have a link to a bunch of words with no source to those words, which means according to you, it's 100% true.

I was planning on buying a Wii U next year....and I need that Star Fox game....Nintendo don't ever shutdown. :(

Nintendo is losing money despite having by far the most profitable IPs in the industry.......what bigger hint do they need?

Go third party and they would never be in the red again.

I doubt you do either considering you take Wikipedia over actual from the time evidence in almost all things gaming. Let me blow your mind for a second, Colecovison and the 5200 are third gen consoles! *gasp!* and they were widely considered third gen consoles! *Gasp*, and the NES would not exist without the Colecovision whatsoever in anyway! *Gasp*!

Of course if you admit those are right then I will look at you slightly different as a person.

Sony is losing money too, what hint do they need?

A couple of bad quarters is indicative of nothing in the big picture.

As long as I can mod Pointer controls onto PC for my FPS experiences then whatever. That is a main concern of mine as I refuse to revert to Dual Analogs for FPS

@charizard1605: Coulda swore there was another one. A yarn one. Maybe its for Wii U

Yeah, Yoshi Yarn is for Wii U next year.

Well that was easy.

Anyway, the launches of the X1 and PS4 are all on hype despite their launches being just as bad if not more so in some areas, than the Wii U, and will most likely gain enough steam to get out of its current situation.

It's not like back in the day where a new competitor is going to jump in with original games, it's to expensive to do now, this is why most new consoles coming out this holiday run android games on the TV, and systems like the Ouya are clearly failing, so that market will just buy a Wii u anyway. Iwata still needs to put more effort though, he needs to understand.

lol @ people thinking and wishing that Nintendo will go 3rd party only, soon

Nintendo and Sony should join forces!!!!

Nintony?

Sony doesnt have small budget IPs that sell tens of millions of copies. Nintendo should never even come close to losing money, if they do then something is wrong.

I dont think that Nintendo's biggest problems in the console race are fixable.

This holiday every kid will want a PS4. It's in demand right now.

I have a hunch that Steam will do better than Wii:U...
Well certainly in the HARDWARE and GAMES department... granted.

Wii:U is struggling against 360, PS3... let alone X1 and PS4.
At least Sony and Microsoft take risks to make better games and hardware, even when they are making losses.

lol @ people with the Wii:U who watch and wish they had better hardware and games like on X1, PS4 and PC (or even 360 and PS3)

You were making threads and steam rolling the Wii:U...

You still are. Your marketing skills need more work.

Nintendo's problems are fixable.

They have bad relations with 3rd parties, and they are oblivious to market trends.

Both could be changed with different management whether that come from replacing all the people who are there, or those people simply getting slapped back into reality.

Oh snap, could we be witnessing the next scrapped Nintendo System since Virtual Boy?

Please do not fucking go mobile!

if no consoles then stick with handhelds.

Should really be (Iwata: My future will be determined by the holiday season.).

@charizard1605: come on, Char; you know better than to feed the trolls

Yeah, I should have stopped on the first page, why I spent three pages doing that is beyond me.

Clearly Nintendo is lost. They sold a billion Wii's to a casual audience, but that backfired on them, because instead of building a new customer base, they alienated their fan base and they lost the entire Wii customer base because those people dont give a shit about buying a new console.They nearly screwed up with the 3DS. That first year was dreadful, but somehow through shear luck, they managed to save it from certain death. The 3DS is very successful now, but i think it will peak a lot faster and they will need to move into a new handheld system very soon. I love the Wii U, but i really dont think it will recover like the 3DS. People just lost interest because no games were released for a long time, and the few quality games that did come out, like Pikmin 3 and Windwalker HD are just kind of old re-runs of a former generation. The new Mario looks great, of course, but it is a extension of a popular 3DS game, so maybe the franchise is getting long in the tooth, plus the lack of a modern online feature is a drag too. Que in HD Wii Sports ( without online chat features) and Wii Fit U, everything just seems like more of the same damn thing. Then on top of a hum drum line up, the lack of third party support, the lackluster e-shop offerings, and the primitive hardware specific account registration dont help matters. I bet Smash Bros, Donkey Kong and Mario Kart 8 Will carry the Wii U though 2014 and then you will see a long drought for games until the swan song Zelda U. Then its over.

I still think that even if Nintendo does not improve this holiday, the Wii U will still recover somewhat with the release of Smash bros, and Mario Kart, and will at least be able to be a GC style success. I don't think they will exit the console market if the Wii U doesn't recover. Nintendo still has at least one console gen left before even considering leaving the console market.