Is pc technically next gengen?

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Posted by uninspiredcup (6797 posts) 7 months, 29 days ago

Poll: Is pc technically next gengen? (80 votes)

Yes 64%
No 36%

Since, at launch, a pc is already vastly more powerful (by a factor of least 2) than the xboxone and Playstation 4 and since many of us, including developers and publishers prepped pc and claimed it was a "next gen" experience before launch, is the highest end pc's technically a next gen, gen experience already?

#1 Edited by AppleFan1991 (3022 posts) -

Wouldn't it be "next - next" gen not next gengen as in next generation generation? Anyway no. Generations are for the 3 consoles as PC doesn't really have a specific start and end. This gen is Wii U, Xbox One, PS4 and PC. Last gen was Wii, Xbox 360, PS3 and PC

#2 Posted by kalipekona (2296 posts) -

Well, considering that games on the PC from years ago beat the first next gen console games it makes you realize the PC was already at a "next gen" quality level. The same will be even more true this generation. We're just talking about the graphical quality here, not the actual hardware generations.

#3 Posted by Salt_The_Fries (8142 posts) -

Yeah, PCs were already next gen at least 2 years ago and that is only for matching specs, there were even better ones already back then.

#4 Posted by AppleFan1991 (3022 posts) -

Isn't this really just a "Are you a hermit? Yes or no?" Thread?

#5 Posted by -Unreal- (24474 posts) -

PC is next next gen.

Next gengen is a nasty stutter.

#6 Posted by Gaming-Planet (13703 posts) -

PC started to feel next gen in 2010.

#7 Posted by Mr_Ditters (1905 posts) -

Crysis 2, Witcher 2, and BF 3 on a nice PC were next gen.

#8 Posted by blangenakker (2057 posts) -

PC is whatever gen

#9 Posted by GioVela2010 (4017 posts) -

Absolutely not.

Same graphics only at higher resolutions is not really next gen

#10 Posted by MK-Professor (3630 posts) -

I will say ultra high-end PC's are already in the 9th gen. (With ultra high-end PC's I mean 3x 290XOC1250Mhz, that gives 21.1Tflops that is 11.5 times more than ps4, which is around the same difference between ps3 and ps4).

#11 Edited by Gue1 (9099 posts) -

totally the wrong thread

#12 Posted by mrsheeno (149 posts) -

Always has been.

#13 Posted by IgGy621985 (4556 posts) -

PC doesn't have "gens". "Next gengens" even less.

#14 Posted by SNIPER4321 (10142 posts) -

Yes. 2007 crysis looks better than any next gen console game.

this years Metro also looks better than any next gen game Obviously.

this is worst leap in console history.

#15 Posted by _Matt_ (8746 posts) -

No gens on pc, one continuous line of sweet looking games.

#16 Edited by GotNugz (637 posts) -

If you are defining it by the power of top end pc I would say no. If trends continue next gen consoles that realease in say 2020 will be more powerful than any pc configuration you can put together now including sli titans, 780 etc. I imagine next gen consoles will come an advanced form of oculas rift and tech to handle 8k gaming. In other word your looking stacked dram, 18-20 tflop gpu, and real cloud processing.

#17 Edited by KungfuKitten (20657 posts) -

In terms of what it can do, in relation to the consoles, then it is definitely next gen.

#18 Edited by KungfuKitten (20657 posts) -

@GotNugz said:

If you are defining it by the power of top end pc I would say no. If trends continue next gen consoles that realease in say 2020 will be more powerful than any pc configuration you can put together now including sli titans, 780 etc. I imagine next gen consoles will come an advanced form of oculas rift and tech to handle 8k gaming. In other word your looking stacked dram, 18-20 tflop gpu, and real cloud processing.

I expect the next consoles to comfortably do 1080p at 60 fps. 4k is doubtful, and absolutely in no dimension in proximity to mine will they do 8k resolutions as a standard. No way man. PC's keep pulling ahead further distancing themselves from the consoles. MS/Sony gotta eat. If you buy a high end PC today, it will provide better performance than consoles for the next 14 years. (PS4,PS5)

#19 Posted by KillzoneSnake (1623 posts) -

This the games PC gamers mostly play. Their best games.

#20 Posted by uninspiredcup (6797 posts) -

This the games PC gamers mostly play. Their best games.

But this is better and more relevant than any Playstation 4 title.

#21 Posted by Salt_The_Fries (8142 posts) -

^ True that. Also applies to Xbone.

#22 Posted by MlauTheDaft (3001 posts) -

PCs don't have gens AND PCs containt several gens at once...

So no.

#23 Edited by seanmcloughlin (38151 posts) -

Hardware wise? Yep

Games wise? Nope.

#24 Edited by mrsheeno (149 posts) -

@KillzoneSnake said:

This the games PC gamers mostly play. Their best games.

But in reality, no.

#25 Edited by SEANMCAD (5464 posts) -

@GotNugz said:

If you are defining it by the power of top end pc I would say no. If trends continue next gen consoles that realease in say 2020 will be more powerful than any pc configuration you can put together now including sli titans, 780 etc. I imagine next gen consoles will come an advanced form of oculas rift and tech to handle 8k gaming. In other word your looking stacked dram, 18-20 tflop gpu, and real cloud processing.

Oculus Rift have said a few weeks ago that they will not be making a model for the consoles becasue the consoles are not powerful enough.

I know I know (why phones?!). Phone dont run at 60fps

#26 Posted by Kinthalis (5251 posts) -

Hardware wise? Yep

Games wise? Nope.

You don't think Crysis 3 on PC was a "next gen" title when it came out? BF3? Those were absolutley different from their console coutnerparts in terms of technical merits, and in the case of BF3, in many other ways as well.

Do you think a game liek Rome II, with 10,000 troops on the screen at the same time runnign AI and pathfinding is somehting even an Xbone could do?

#27 Posted by groowagon (2739 posts) -

Hardware wise? Yep

Games wise? Nope.

Star Citizen will be something console players can only dream of.

then again, it wouldn't even sell on consoles. according to one thread here on SW, the reaction was pretty much this; "WHAT IS THIS A GAME FOR ADULTS?! NO PRESS-X-TO-WIN?! NUH UH! NO WAY!"

so i think graphically improved CoD is all it takes to make a next gen.

#28 Posted by XboxDone74 (2047 posts) -

technically yes but PCs don't take advantage of it when most of their games are games like Proteus and machinarium. majority of PC games can almost be run in a web browser. very few take advantage of PCs hardware. so PC has the potential to be next gen but there always a step behind because they just don't have the powerhouse games that counsel's have, which is why PC gamers usually resort to signing petitions for council ports

#29 Edited by StrifeDelivery (1256 posts) -

But gens aren't defined by power though.

#30 Posted by KungfuKitten (20657 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

Hardware wise? Yep

Games wise? Nope.

Star Citizen will be something console players can only dream of.

then again, it wouldn't even sell on consoles. according to one thread here on SW, the reaction was pretty much this; "WHAT IS THIS A GAME FOR ADULTS?! NO PRESS-X-TO-WIN?! NUH UH! NO WAY!"

so i think graphically improved CoD is all it takes to make a next gen.

Ghosts isn't a graphically improved CoD...

#31 Edited by NFJSupreme (5020 posts) -

To put it in perspective all these multiplat "next-gen" game list two and three year old pc parts as their recommended specs That should let you know how far ahead pc is.

#32 Edited by seanmcloughlin (38151 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

Hardware wise? Yep

Games wise? Nope.

You don't think Crysis 3 on PC was a "next gen" title when it came out? BF3? Those were absolutley different from their console coutnerparts in terms of technical merits, and in the case of BF3, in many other ways as well.

Do you think a game liek Rome II, with 10,000 troops on the screen at the same time runnign AI and pathfinding is somehting even an Xbone could do?

No Crysis 3 wasn't. Look at how restrictive it all is, sure it looks good but the gameplay is aimed towards a console and a controller. Compare it to Crysis 1

Rome and Star Citizen are a few exceptions but by and large consoles are where devs go to with their games first because of the money there and PC gets a lot of ports

#33 Posted by SEANMCAD (5464 posts) -

@Kinthalis said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

Hardware wise? Yep

Games wise? Nope.

You don't think Crysis 3 on PC was a "next gen" title when it came out? BF3? Those were absolutley different from their console coutnerparts in terms of technical merits, and in the case of BF3, in many other ways as well.

Do you think a game liek Rome II, with 10,000 troops on the screen at the same time runnign AI and pathfinding is somehting even an Xbone could do?

No Crysis 3 wasn't. Look at how restrictive it all is, sure it looks good but the gameplay is aimed towards a console and a controller. Compare it to Crysis 1

Rome and Star Citizen are a few exceptions but by and large consoles are where devs go to with their games first because of the money there and PC gets a lot of ports

reducing a games functionality to the user of a few buttons instead of hunderns is not exactly progress now is it?

Are you actually trying to say that console gaming interaction is progress?....lol

#34 Edited by Kinthalis (5251 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

@Kinthalis said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

Hardware wise? Yep

Games wise? Nope.

You don't think Crysis 3 on PC was a "next gen" title when it came out? BF3? Those were absolutley different from their console coutnerparts in terms of technical merits, and in the case of BF3, in many other ways as well.

Do you think a game liek Rome II, with 10,000 troops on the screen at the same time runnign AI and pathfinding is somehting even an Xbone could do?

No Crysis 3 wasn't. Look at how restrictive it all is, sure it looks good but the gameplay is aimed towards a console and a controller. Compare it to Crysis 1

Rome and Star Citizen are a few exceptions but by and large consoles are where devs go to with their games first because of the money there and PC gets a lot of ports

I'm not arguing that Crysis 3 was a step forward is game design. It clealry wasn't, almost certainly BECAUSE it was a console game.

But Crysis 3 on PC when, it came out, looked better than 99.9999% of available and upcoming "next gen" console games. Killzone is the only game that comes close in general right now.

Also, I'm not sure that what you last said is always the case, in fact EA has said that PC and PS4 are their lead development platforms for the foreseeable future. Ubisoft said the PC will be as well... but, Ubi tends to lie a lot. Regardless, PC is goign to be lead dev platform for a number of games in the future.

Not that that's what we are discussing here. The original question was: is the PC a "next gen platform".

I think it's clear it has been exactly that for many years now. My evidence is the fact that "next gen" consoles are touting "features" that are simply copy and paste from the PC ecosystem. And the fact tha tI can run "next gen" games at 1440p 60 FPS with better graphics thana PS4, which struggles at 1080p.

#35 Edited by Peredith (2305 posts) -

Lolno. If anything, most PC exclusives are last last gen.

#36 Posted by nicecall (428 posts) -

^ lol thats a crappy free diablo clone named Path of Exile. thats not a good example to use to show PC's graphics abilitys.

just like someone else said here, PC is next next gen. PC is always ahead of whatever console you call next gen because its hardware is updated constantly. current gen hardware is about where PC's were in 2010-2011.

#37 Edited by menes777 (2643 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

@Kinthalis said:

@seanmcloughlin said:

Hardware wise? Yep

Games wise? Nope.

You don't think Crysis 3 on PC was a "next gen" title when it came out? BF3? Those were absolutley different from their console coutnerparts in terms of technical merits, and in the case of BF3, in many other ways as well.

Do you think a game liek Rome II, with 10,000 troops on the screen at the same time runnign AI and pathfinding is somehting even an Xbone could do?

No Crysis 3 wasn't. Look at how restrictive it all is, sure it looks good but the gameplay is aimed towards a console and a controller. Compare it to Crysis 1

Rome and Star Citizen are a few exceptions but by and large consoles are where devs go to with their games first because of the money there and PC gets a lot of ports

What would you say makes a gen "next gen" from one to the next? Using Crysis if they hypothetically made Crysis 4 what would make it a next gen game over Crysis 1,2 and 3?

#38 Edited by menes777 (2643 posts) -

@Peredith said:

Lolno. If anything, most PC exclusives are last last gen.

Using a F2P as ownage. LOL

You do realize that PC ranges from solitaire all the way up to the top of the line graphics, right? Just because there are a lot of simple graphics games doesn't discount the powerhouses and the power of the hardware.

#39 Posted by kazrium (1542 posts) -

The PC has thought of what you are thinking before you thought of it. So yes.

#40 Edited by Kinthalis (5251 posts) -

@Peredith said:

Lolno. If anything, most PC exclusives are last last gen.

This is sooo pathetic.

The ENTIRETY of last gen console gamers were screaming about how its about the gampley and not the graphics. PAth of Exile has greta gameplay, BTW, beats Diablo 3 hands down.

And yet now you guys are sitting there judging games on graphics. The hypocrisy is hilarious.

#41 Posted by NFJSupreme (5020 posts) -
#42 Posted by AMD655 (4495 posts) -

The PC is always a couple of steps ahead of the curve every generation, it is the leader in technology and groundbreaking tech.

#43 Posted by Chozofication (2681 posts) -

I think the real comparison coming up in terms of real world capability's will be Witcher 3, and I really don't think it'll look much better on PC max than PS4. significantly, sure. Aside from resolution and a pristine AA technique, no. With diminishing returns, extra power means less and less. The hardware will be just as big a difference as before, but what that means will continue to diminish.

We've gotten to a point, Ps4 will have tons of games that won't leave you wanting more, even if there could be more to be had.

#44 Edited by Kinthalis (5251 posts) -

@Chozofication said:

I think the real comparison coming up in terms of real world capability's will be Witcher 3, and I really don't think it'll look much better on PC max than PS4. significantly, sure. Aside from resolution and a pristine AA technique, no. With diminishing returns, extra power means less and less. The hardware will be just as big a difference as before, but what that means will continue to diminish.

We've gotten to a point, Ps4 will have tons of games that won't leave you wanting more, even if there could be more to be had.

Have you seen the next gen wolf? That's a PC exlcusive ;)

Also, saying that there are diminishing returns sure sounds shortsighted. We don't KNOW what better hardware on the PC will bring.

We DO know it will bring G-sync monitors, 4K panels and The Oculus Rift at least, but who knows what else?

And that's the future. The bototm line is that RIGHT NOW, PC ahrdware brings better graphics performance to the table than "next gen" consoles.

Saying otherwise is diotic.

#45 Edited by Chozofication (2681 posts) -

@Kinthalis said:

@Chozofication said:

I think the real comparison coming up in terms of real world capability's will be Witcher 3, and I really don't think it'll look much better on PC max than PS4. significantly, sure. Aside from resolution and a pristine AA technique, no. With diminishing returns, extra power means less and less. The hardware will be just as big a difference as before, but what that means will continue to diminish.

We've gotten to a point, Ps4 will have tons of games that won't leave you wanting more, even if there could be more to be had.

Have you seen the next gen wolf? That's a PC exlcusive ;)

Also, saying that there are diminishing returns sure sounds shortsighted. We don't KNOW what better hardware on the PC will bring.

We DO know it will bring G-sync monitors, 4K panels and The Oculus Rift at least, but who knows what else?

Next gen wolf is Nvida exclusive, lol. Jokes aside that physx stuff is pure gimmick and makes things look worse or out of place, if anything.

G-sync is great, for sure. If that kind of technology could somehow be implemented in a lot TV's and monitor's, that would be revolutionary.

I do think there will be some PC game, at some point in time in this gen (though much later in life than Crysis appeared) that shows Ps4's limits technically, and hopefully these consoles won't last anywhere near how long Ps3 and 360 did. But I think for as long as it lasts, the console will have technically competent games compared to anything else. Unless it actually is out for 7 years+ >_>

#46 Posted by Kinthalis (5251 posts) -

@Kinthalis said:

@Chozofication said:

I think the real comparison coming up in terms of real world capability's will be Witcher 3, and I really don't think it'll look much better on PC max than PS4. significantly, sure. Aside from resolution and a pristine AA technique, no. With diminishing returns, extra power means less and less. The hardware will be just as big a difference as before, but what that means will continue to diminish.

We've gotten to a point, Ps4 will have tons of games that won't leave you wanting more, even if there could be more to be had.

Have you seen the next gen wolf? That's a PC exlcusive ;)

Also, saying that there are diminishing returns sure sounds shortsighted. We don't KNOW what better hardware on the PC will bring.

We DO know it will bring G-sync monitors, 4K panels and The Oculus Rift at least, but who knows what else?

Next gen wolf is Nvida exclusive, lol. Jokes aside that physx stuff is pure gimmick and makes things look worse or out of place, if anything.

G-sync is great, for sure. If that kind of technology could somehow be implemented in a lot TV's and monitor's, that would be revolutionary.

I do think there will be some PC game, at some point in time in this gen (though much later in life than Crysis appeared) that shows Ps4's limits technically, and hopefully these consoles won't last anywhere near how long Ps3 and 360 did. But I think for as long as it lasts, the console will have technically competent games compared to anything else. Unless it actually is out for 7 years+ >_>

You take that back right NOW! Next gen wolf is awesome beyond measure, and absolutley NOT gimmicky.

#47 Edited by Cranler (7719 posts) -

PS 5 should be at least 4-5x the power of PS 4 so current bleeding edge pc's are a ways off from what next gen consoles will be capable of.

#48 Posted by glez13 (8498 posts) -

I'm sure that's what people said last gen with the 8000 series and then with the first GTX series and as you can see actual next gen consoles beat them.

#49 Posted by AM-Gamer (3311 posts) -

If you are implying that the highest end PCs of today are going to be as good as the next consoles then no.

#50 Posted by psymon100 (6138 posts) -

pc occupies a funny space.

hard to be next² gen if all the artwork assets etc run on consoles.

i kind of think of it as gen+. You can get better visuals, but they won't be amazing. You can also get 60fps continuously.