Is Microsoft doomed to be second place forever?

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#1 Edited by Sweenix (5395 posts) -

In the 6th generation the xbox finished second.. although a distant second, and in the previous gen, it tied for second place with the PS3

Now it's the 8th generation, and it's looking like things will remain that way.

So..... Is Microsoft happy knowing they will always finish second, i mean it's better then last right? or does it upset them knowing they will never finish at top, and smell the holy grail like Sony and Nintendo has.

#2 Edited by Nengo_Flow (9266 posts) -

I dont think anyone cares.

If gen 7 thought us anything is that only quality games matter for a console, not coming out with the most social/media feature (PS3, when it firs came out), trying to pass your console off as the cheaper HD console (but it really wasnt, 360), or having the most sales but a really flawed fanbase and barely any games (Wii.......... stupid Nintendo).

Doesnt matter who wins.... its who pleased their fanbase and gamers the most.

#3 Posted by blackace (19714 posts) -

I think Microsoft cares more about the profits it has been making with the XBox 360 and XBL. It helped take a huge amount of marketshares from Sony last generation, so I'm sure they are pretty satisfied with their results. They also just had a huge successful launch for the XBox One. Selling more then 4x's what they sold for the XBox 360 in the same time period. The only reason Microsoft finishes 2nd is because it's impossible for them to break into the Japan region. Japanese gamers have never liked American game consoles and never will at this point. If you remove Japan from the equation there would be a huge difference. The PS3 sold like 8 million in Japan and XBox 360 sold like 1.6 million (which is the largest American game console sales for a U.S. product). It's unlikely they will sell that much with the XB1.

#4 Edited by Vatusus (4225 posts) -

Second is the 1st place of loosers :)

#5 Posted by blackace (19714 posts) -

@Vatusus said:

Second is the 1st place of loosers :)

So all Sony fanboys are losers? Ok. lol!!

Only place that really matters is 1ST.

#6 Edited by Riverwolf007 (23393 posts) -

why is that so bad?

does first place make it a better system?

did losing last gen make the ps3 any less of a system? did it make the wii the best system?

you guys are all tied up in this winning and losing thing and all it does is make you look like asshats that are not clever enough to have your priorities in the right place.

games are the priority here, i wish sw could remember that.

#7 Edited by Vatusus (4225 posts) -

@blackace said:

@Vatusus said:

Second is the 1st place of loosers :)

So all Sony fanboys are losers? Ok. lol!!

Only place that really matters is 1ST.

Sony was 1st two generations in a row, and everything points out it'll be a 3rd. Sony fans are actually winners :P

#8 Posted by MrXboxOne (742 posts) -

@Sweenix said:

In the 6th generation the xbox finished second.. although a distant second, and in the previous gen, it tied for second place with the PS3

Now it's the 8th generation, and it's looking like things will remain that way.

So..... Is Microsoft happy knowing they will always finish second, i mean it's better then last right? or does it upset them knowing they will never finish at top, and smell the holy grail like Sony and Nintendo has.

Xbox 360 won its generation. Nintendo and its consoles are always a generation behind so you can never count them. Gamecube/wii are both 6th generation machines released in a 7th generation reality.

next question

#9 Posted by hoosier7 (3669 posts) -

@blackace said:

I think Microsoft cares more about the profits it has been making with the XBox 360 and XBL. It helped take a huge amount of marketshares from Sony last generation, so I'm sure they are pretty satisfied with their results. They also just had a huge successful launch for the XBox One. Selling more then 4x's what they sold for the XBox 360 in the same time period. The only reason Microsoft finishes 2nd is because it's impossible for them to break into the Japan region. Japanese gamers have never liked American game consoles and never will at this point. If you remove Japan from the equation there would be a huge difference. The PS3 sold like 8 million in Japan and XBox 360 sold like 1.6 million (which is the largest American game console sales for a U.S. product). It's unlikely they will sell that much with the XB1.

It's not just that the 360 didn't sell in Japan, it's that it didn't sell as well anywhere but the US and UK, two regions. MS has to break everywhere bar the UK and US (which seems to be slipping) to ever outsell a PS console, not just Japan.

It'd be nice if the Xbox was making MS profits too but that's looking pretty dubious, there's plenty of evidence around that the Xbox brand is losing money so it's no surprise there's a target over it's head from the MS head honchos as one of the first places alongside Bing to cut to improve the MS bottomline.

Imo i think MS will slip more and more into multimedia rather than games. There's been more intent there for years and an underpowered X1 just confirms it. Their ideal is control of the living room, handheld and PC with seamless multimedia use across Windows 8, not of ruling the gaming world. Far enough too, there's probably more money in that.

#10 Posted by farrell2k (5116 posts) -

Hold on here. I thought the PS3 outsold it, making the PS3 second place and the 360 third place.

#11 Posted by Sweenix (5395 posts) -

Hold on here. I thought the PS3 outsold it, making the PS3 second place and the 360 third place.

Nope PS3 and xbox 360 sold 80m each

#12 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8403 posts) -

@Sweenix said:

@farrell2k said:

Hold on here. I thought the PS3 outsold it, making the PS3 second place and the 360 third place.

Nope PS3 and xbox 360 sold 80m each

That still doesn't make 360 second. PS3 numbers were slightly higher and the gap gets larger each week.

#13 Edited by KBFloYd (12743 posts) -

@StrongBlackVine said:

@Sweenix said:

@farrell2k said:

Hold on here. I thought the PS3 outsold it, making the PS3 second place and the 360 third place.

Nope PS3 and xbox 360 sold 80m each

That still doesn't make 360 second. PS3 numbers were slightly higher and the gap gets larger each week.

dude..be lucky he gave you a tie....ps3 was actually last place last gen.

it was last place for 5 years...and tied xbox on the last year.

#14 Edited by clr84651 (5277 posts) -

IDK, but the Wii U is doomed to be a distant 3rd.

#15 Edited by clr84651 (5277 posts) -

@blackace said:

@Vatusus said:

Second is the 1st place of loosers :)

So all Sony fanboys are losers? Ok. lol!!

Only place that really matters is 1ST.

Which MS has never achieved. Sony 1st twice so far, Nintendo 1st once, & MS 0.

#16 Edited by KBFloYd (12743 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@blackace said:

@Vatusus said:

Second is the 1st place of loosers :)

So all Sony fanboys are losers? Ok. lol!!

Only place that really matters is 1ST.

Which MS has never achieved. Sony 1st twice so far, Nintendo 1st once, & MS 0.

dont forget nintendo bitch slapped sega twice and atari when playstation was in diapers.

#18 Edited by silversix_ (13553 posts) -

They still have more transistors though, over 5 billion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#19 Edited by KBFloYd (12743 posts) -

@mrxboxone said:

@Sweenix said:

In the 6th generation the xbox finished second.. although a distant second, and in the previous gen, it tied for second place with the PS3

Now it's the 8th generation, and it's looking like things will remain that way.

So..... Is Microsoft happy knowing they will always finish second, i mean it's better then last right? or does it upset them knowing they will never finish at top, and smell the holy grail like Sony and Nintendo has.

Xbox 360 won its generation. Nintendo and its consoles are always a generation behind so you can never count them. Gamecube/wii are both 6th generation machines released in a 7th generation reality.

next question

nope

even if he is right in his little circle....that means 360 got slapped by a last gen console...even more humiliating.

#20 Edited by WitIsWisdom (3633 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

IDK, but the Wii U is doomed to be a distant 3rd.

I wouldn't count Nintendo out just yet. Several big titles are coming, and we all know a price drop isn't all that far away. (maybe another year or two) $50 cheaper and another couple years of those Nintendo exclusives and the Wii U will show Nintendo has their shit on lock regardless of how slow things started. Just in the last two months the Wii U has gained a lot of momentum, and that will only keep gaining momentum for at least the next couple years... the games that are set to be released are amazing. At first (like many others) I thought "oh look another Nintendo Wii gimmick console", however, I am impressed with what I have seen recently. I know it is a long shot, but if Nintendo can hit a grand slam with a new IP or two, this could very easily be a three way race which is GREAT to see in my opinion.

#21 Posted by WitIsWisdom (3633 posts) -

@KBFloYd said:

@WitIsWisdom said:

@mrxboxone said:

@Sweenix said:

In the 6th generation the xbox finished second.. although a distant second, and in the previous gen, it tied for second place with the PS3

Now it's the 8th generation, and it's looking like things will remain that way.

So..... Is Microsoft happy knowing they will always finish second, i mean it's better then last right? or does it upset them knowing they will never finish at top, and smell the holy grail like Sony and Nintendo has.

Xbox 360 won its generation. Nintendo and its consoles are always a generation behind so you can never count them. Gamecube/wii are both 6th generation machines released in a 7th generation reality.

next question

nope

even if he is right in his little circle....that means 360 got slapped by a last gen console...even more humiliating.

He is wrong, but that is one hell of a point you make... lol

#22 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8403 posts) -

@KBFloYd said:

@StrongBlackVine said:

@Sweenix said:

@farrell2k said:

Hold on here. I thought the PS3 outsold it, making the PS3 second place and the 360 third place.

Nope PS3 and xbox 360 sold 80m each

That still doesn't make 360 second. PS3 numbers were slightly higher and the gap gets larger each week.

dude..be lucky he gave you a tie....ps3 was actually last place last gen.

it was last place for 5 years...and tied xbox on the last year.

People are still buying those consoles so nope. He nor you controls anything.

#23 Posted by Jankarcop (8827 posts) -

pc is first place every gen so far at GS....

#24 Posted by MrXboxOne (742 posts) -

Hold on here. I thought the PS3 outsold it, making the PS3 second place and the 360 third place.

360 is a few million ahead

#25 Posted by RimacBugatti (1170 posts) -

Well they pulled the same move as Sega. They are way ahead of their time as far as going digital as is the Steam Machine which is why Microsoft is and Valve have messed up. The Steam Machine is unfortunately too small which would be too awkward to upgrade. The Xbone has a lot of wasted space under the hood. The Steam Machine being that it's built to disassemble you would think would be less awkward.

#26 Posted by Eddie-Vedder (7765 posts) -

@KBFloYd said:

@StrongBlackVine said:

@Sweenix said:

@farrell2k said:

Hold on here. I thought the PS3 outsold it, making the PS3 second place and the 360 third place.

Nope PS3 and xbox 360 sold 80m each

That still doesn't make 360 second. PS3 numbers were slightly higher and the gap gets larger each week.

dude..be lucky he gave you a tie....ps3 was actually last place last gen.

it was last place for 5 years...and tied xbox on the last year.

That's not how it works moron, otherwise Xbox would have been last the gen before aswell, it only outsold the gamecube well after the generation had "finished". If the 360 sold 100 million in the next year it would be first, doesn't matter what happened before that.

#27 Edited by Dire_Weasel (15873 posts) -

Xbox 360 won its generation.

I know you're just a troll account but the Wii absolutely sold the most consoles during generation 7. No amount of fanboy spin will change that.

#28 Posted by kingtito (4732 posts) -

@hoosier7 said:

@blackace said:

I think Microsoft cares more about the profits it has been making with the XBox 360 and XBL. It helped take a huge amount of marketshares from Sony last generation, so I'm sure they are pretty satisfied with their results. They also just had a huge successful launch for the XBox One. Selling more then 4x's what they sold for the XBox 360 in the same time period. The only reason Microsoft finishes 2nd is because it's impossible for them to break into the Japan region. Japanese gamers have never liked American game consoles and never will at this point. If you remove Japan from the equation there would be a huge difference. The PS3 sold like 8 million in Japan and XBox 360 sold like 1.6 million (which is the largest American game console sales for a U.S. product). It's unlikely they will sell that much with the XB1.

It's not just that the 360 didn't sell in Japan, it's that it didn't sell as well anywhere but the US and UK, two regions. MS has to break everywhere bar the UK and US (which seems to be slipping) to ever outsell a PS console, not just Japan.

It'd be nice if the Xbox was making MS profits too but that's looking pretty dubious, there's plenty of evidence around that the Xbox brand is losing money so it's no surprise there's a target over it's head from the MS head honchos as one of the first places alongside Bing to cut to improve the MS bottomline.

Imo i think MS will slip more and more into multimedia rather than games. There's been more intent there for years and an underpowered X1 just confirms it. Their ideal is control of the living room, handheld and PC with seamless multimedia use across Windows 8, not of ruling the gaming world. Far enough too, there's probably more money in that.

False. It sold almost 8-9m less than Sony. It sold 1.6 compared to over 9m for the PS3. That's just about the difference when the gen started.

#29 Posted by xLittlekillx (1795 posts) -

Well, at least microsoft has games. I mean games that aren't knack.

#30 Posted by hoplayletsplay (977 posts) -

MS says they are going to sell 1 billion X1 this generation so maybe they have something hiding in their sleeves?

#31 Posted by The_Last_Ride (68892 posts) -

PS3 did come out a year later, so i would say 360 lost to ps3 because they have almost sold as much compared to each other. But i would say they morally won the last gen with the best third party games and taking exclusives away from Sony.

#32 Posted by Ghost120x (3637 posts) -

I thought MS was going to win gen 8 until I saw the Xbox one reveal at e3.

#33 Edited by Gaming-Planet (13704 posts) -

I guess they failed their agenda by making the all-in-one box a primary living room console. Still too early to say. Whoever gets to utilize their console the most to their full potential will stay on top with support.

#34 Posted by PSdual_wielder (10643 posts) -

In terms of games they're last place.

#35 Posted by mjf249 (2837 posts) -

Microsoft is interested in more than just gaming, your seeing it with the Xbox One, this was their intent all along with the Xbox brand the technology was right in order to carry out their ideas, and they've done pretty well. I think they care more about controlling your living room with an entertainment device to compete with Apple, and Google. Microsoft is playing two markets, and probably cares just as much if not more about the entertainment aspects of it's brand, than games.

I'm not saying Microsoft doesn't care about games, they have some great franchises, down the road I will definitely pick one up because I really like Fable, Gears of War, Halo, and Forza franchises.

#36 Posted by clr84651 (5277 posts) -

@KBFloYd said:

@StrongBlackVine said:

@Sweenix said:

@farrell2k said:

Hold on here. I thought the PS3 outsold it, making the PS3 second place and the 360 third place.

Nope PS3 and xbox 360 sold 80m each

That still doesn't make 360 second. PS3 numbers were slightly higher and the gap gets larger each week.

dude..be lucky he gave you a tie....ps3 was actually last place last gen.

it was last place for 5 years...and tied xbox on the last year.

Doesn't matter what it was. It caught the 360. And giving a tie isn't lucky, it's a fact.

#37 Edited by LJS9502_basic (149470 posts) -

Forever is a long time...who knows what the future holds for anyone. Look at history. But as long as a console is viable...it's all good.

#38 Posted by blackace (19714 posts) -

@Vatusus said:

@blackace said:

@Vatusus said:

Second is the 1st place of loosers :)

So all Sony fanboys are losers? Ok. lol!!

Only place that really matters is 1ST.

Sony was 1st two generations in a row, and everything points out it'll be a 3rd. Sony fans are actually winners :P

It wasn't first last generation. Nintendo has won more generations over all. They are the clear winner in the end. All cows are losers because they act like childish spoiled kids.

#39 Posted by LJS9502_basic (149470 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@KBFloYd said:

@StrongBlackVine said:

@Sweenix said:

Nope PS3 and xbox 360 sold 80m each

That still doesn't make 360 second. PS3 numbers were slightly higher and the gap gets larger each week.

dude..be lucky he gave you a tie....ps3 was actually last place last gen.

it was last place for 5 years...and tied xbox on the last year.

Doesn't matter what it was. It caught the 360. And giving a tie isn't lucky, it's a fact.

Well if you want to be technical about last gen...the PS3 caught the 360 while being on the market for one less year. Which means the demand is slightly higher for the Sony console. And when you look at world market share....you can see it wins that as well.

Just be happy you have the console of your choice to play and don't try to get into business discussions based on bias.

#40 Posted by TheGuardian03 (21241 posts) -

This gen will be boring, Nintendo will be last. Sony and MS will probaply tie for a while then one of them beat the other by a million or two, either way it doesn't matter because it's games that i want so i'm going with Nintendo + Sony for now.

#41 Posted by blackace (19714 posts) -

@hoosier7 said:

@blackace said:

I think Microsoft cares more about the profits it has been making with the XBox 360 and XBL. It helped take a huge amount of marketshares from Sony last generation, so I'm sure they are pretty satisfied with their results. They also just had a huge successful launch for the XBox One. Selling more then 4x's what they sold for the XBox 360 in the same time period. The only reason Microsoft finishes 2nd is because it's impossible for them to break into the Japan region. Japanese gamers have never liked American game consoles and never will at this point. If you remove Japan from the equation there would be a huge difference. The PS3 sold like 8 million in Japan and XBox 360 sold like 1.6 million (which is the largest American game console sales for a U.S. product). It's unlikely they will sell that much with the XB1.

It's not just that the 360 didn't sell in Japan, it's that it didn't sell as well anywhere but the US and UK, two regions. MS has to break everywhere bar the UK and US (which seems to be slipping) to ever outsell a PS console, not just Japan.

It'd be nice if the Xbox was making MS profits too but that's looking pretty dubious, there's plenty of evidence around that the Xbox brand is losing money so it's no surprise there's a target over it's head from the MS head honchos as one of the first places alongside Bing to cut to improve the MS bottomline.

Imo i think MS will slip more and more into multimedia rather than games. There's been more intent there for years and an underpowered X1 just confirms it. Their ideal is control of the living room, handheld and PC with seamless multimedia use across Windows 8, not of ruling the gaming world. Far enough too, there's probably more money in that.

It actually sold very well in Europe. I guess you missed the first 4 years when it was well ahead of the PS3. The PS3 played catchup for more of last gen. It sold well in U.K. and Australia as well. the only place it didn't sell well in was Japan really. XBox 360 has been making a profit since 2007. This has been a know fact for awhile. It's funny how many fanboys ignore it. The XB1 isn't underpowered. Fanboys can keep believing that if they want, but the next two E3's and Gamescom's will prove differently. Microsoft won't be leaving the gaming industry anytime soon. As long as they continue to make billions they could easily monopolize the gaming industry, like EA and Activision has been trying to do for so long.

http://www.techspot.com/news/23612-microsoft-makes-tiny-profit-on-xbox-360-hardware.html

#42 Edited by NFJSupreme (5020 posts) -

I honestly feel think they care so long as they make money. By all accounts the xbone will be their most profitable console to date.

#43 Posted by misterpmedia (3362 posts) -

As long as MS are #1 in NA they won't care about anywhere else, trust. Even if they're getting trounced globally. Shareholders will want that box number one on the home ground or else there's going to be some definite rethinks with the division. Let's hope the new CEO finds it worthy because Xbox needs MS a lot more than Microsoft needs Xbox.

#44 Edited by slipknot0129 (5481 posts) -

Nah, Xbox One will sell better than Ps4. It should be in first place this gen.

#45 Posted by blackace (19714 posts) -

@clr84651 said:

@blackace said:

@Vatusus said:

Second is the 1st place of loosers :)

So all Sony fanboys are losers? Ok. lol!!

Only place that really matters is 1ST.

Which MS has never achieved. Sony 1st twice so far, Nintendo 1st once, & MS 0.

Nintendo was first like 3 times. (NES, SNES, Wii). M$ will never be 1st because of Japan basically. Japan will never embrace an American game console. It'll be 1st in the US which is all that matters to Microsoft.

#46 Edited by always_explicit (2619 posts) -

l think MS will strike deals with cable companies in the UK and US, instead of getting a traditional cable box you get an X1. Game over.

#47 Posted by heretrix (37246 posts) -

@Vatusus said:

Second is the 1st place of loosers :)

What the fuck is a looser?

#48 Posted by Jag85 (4234 posts) -

Microsoft is the new Sega. Both were always second place when it came to consoles, but were first place when it came to computers and arcades, respectively.

#49 Edited by lhughey (4221 posts) -

@mrxboxone said:

Xbox 360 won its generation.

I know you're just a troll account but the Wii absolutely sold the most consoles during generation 7. No amount of fanboy spin will change that.

But the Wii brand died. The 360 was the most successful console from the Gen 7 because it sold well and catapulted M$ as the one to beat this gen.

#50 Posted by Vatusus (4225 posts) -

@blackace said:

@Vatusus said:

@blackace said:

@Vatusus said:

Second is the 1st place of loosers :)

So all Sony fanboys are losers? Ok. lol!!

Only place that really matters is 1ST.

Sony was 1st two generations in a row, and everything points out it'll be a 3rd. Sony fans are actually winners :P

It wasn't first last generation. Nintendo has won more generations over all. They are the clear winner in the end. All cows are losers because they act like childish spoiled kids.

If Sony ends up winning current gen (and everything points out It'll be) then It'll become tied with Nintendo with 3-3. MS is currently at... 0

LOL