Is Mass Effect an Rpg series?

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Posted by Thecongregation (57 posts) 1 year, 29 days ago

Poll: Is Mass Effect an Rpg series? (54 votes)

Nah homie 24%
It's close, but not really. 24%
Yes 39%
Best one this gen. 13%
Best one this gen with the label even if it's not a real rpg. 6%

So people were arguing with Adobeartist about Mass Effect being an Rpg, and i decided to make a poll where we decided who is right.

#1 Posted by freedomfreak (40568 posts) -

This whole "define an rpg" discussion is so overdone.

And lame. Very lame.

For me, it's an rpg.

DON'T SHOOT ME FOR IT

#2 Edited by PrincessGomez92 (3572 posts) -

It's an RPG.

#3 Posted by Thecongregation (57 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

This whole "define an rpg" discussion is so overdone.

And lame. Very lame.

For me, it's an rpg.

DON'T SHOOT ME FOR IT

But that's what you do in Mass Effect...

#4 Posted by freedomfreak (40568 posts) -

@Thecongregation said:

But that's what you do in Mass Effect...

Don't start this shit.

#5 Posted by NeonNinja (17318 posts) -

You play a role and get the world/characters to view you in different ways. So I don't get what people expect an RPG to be.

#6 Edited by waltefmoney (18030 posts) -

Mass Effect 1 is an RPG absolutely.

#7 Posted by Sushiglutton (5301 posts) -

I think it offers enough in terms of building/customizing your chracter and affecting the story and relationship with other characters to be clasified as an RPG. But it's a pretty uninteresting discussion tbh.

#8 Posted by Bigboi500 (29899 posts) -

It's more TPS than RPG.

#9 Posted by clyde46 (46283 posts) -

The first one you could count it as a RPG but the rest? Nah hahahahahaha

#10 Posted by mems_1224 (47135 posts) -

Yes, all 3 are RPGs and all 3 are some of the best games this gen.

#11 Posted by MonsieurX (30221 posts) -

Rpg elements intro something else

#12 Posted by psymon100 (6138 posts) -

They are driving games. Everyone is wrong except for me.

#13 Posted by farrell2k (6088 posts) -

Every game is a role playing game, as you play a role in every game.

#14 Posted by danabo (2474 posts) -

The degradation from RPG into RPShooter from 1-3 is pretty clear. But, it's still an RPG series.

Short answer: yes.

#15 Posted by KeyWii (4884 posts) -

We used to have this dicussion back in the day. It isn't. It's primarily a shooter (and a bad one at that.) Thankfully more people realize that now than they used to.

#16 Posted by YearoftheSnake5 (7393 posts) -

In short, yes.

#17 Posted by mems_1224 (47135 posts) -

@psymon100 said:

They are driving games. Everyone is wrong except for me.

Does that make Dark Souls a S&M game? :P

#18 Edited by psymon100 (6138 posts) -

@mems_1224 said:

@psymon100 said:

They are driving games. Everyone is wrong except for me.

Does that make Dark Souls a S&M game? :P

yes dark souls is an education in masochism.

but what an education!

#19 Posted by Whiteblade999 (5537 posts) -

Third person manshooters with RPG elements.

#20 Posted by Jag85 (4475 posts) -

RPS (Role-Playing Shooter)

#21 Edited by Jag85 (4475 posts) -

@mems_1224 said:

@psymon100 said:

They are driving games. Everyone is wrong except for me.

Does that make Dark Souls a S&M game? :P

Or rather, it's a game of H&S&M (Hack & Slash & Masochism).

#22 Edited by Thecongregation (57 posts) -

@Jag85 said:

RPS (Role-Playing Shooter)

That would not work unless you agree it's an rpg. That cop-out won't work.

#23 Edited by Merex760 (4314 posts) -

I'd consider it more of an action shooter than an rpg. Mass Effect 1 was very rpg like, then every installment after is less an rpg and more of an action shooter.

#24 Posted by Icarian (1487 posts) -

It's an action RPG. People should get over it.

#25 Edited by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

Not to me it isn't. Still a great series though (haven't played 3 yet).

#26 Edited by Kinthalis (5317 posts) -

Are people serously saying it's NOT an RPG?

How is it not an RPG?

I'll give you third person action RPG, but it's not like this is gears of war.

Lots of character customization? Check.

Meaningful interactions with the world? Check.

Explorations/Loot management? Check and Check.

Intricate conversations with charcters that lead to various choices and consequences? Check.

Stats and abilities? Check and check.

Tactical gameplay and power/ability management is important in combat? Check.

Seriously, I'd love to hear the argument people who think it isn't an RPG are putting forward.

#27 Posted by NameIess_One (559 posts) -

@NeonNinja said:

You play a role and get the world/characters to view you in different ways. So I don't get what people expect an RPG to be.

#28 Posted by B-apples (71 posts) -

It's an RPG with heavy shooter elements (2 and 3 more so).

#29 Posted by lundy86_4 (43419 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

This whole "define an rpg" discussion is so overdone.

And lame. Very lame.

For me, it's an rpg.

DON'T SHOOT ME FOR IT

#30 Edited by LegatoSkyheart (25354 posts) -

Mass Effect 1 yes.

But 2 and 3 are Third Person Shooters with Magic at best.

With that said I think 2 was the best.

#31 Posted by Kinthalis (5317 posts) -

@NeonNinja said:

You play a role and get the world/characters to view you in different ways. So I don't get what people expect an RPG to be.

Simply playing a role isn't sufficient. Technically you're playing a role when you play Super Mario.

Affecting the world as a direct consequence of your decisions, Is one valid requirement, but there are others. And that one requirement implicitly itself requires that the game provide you with menaingful choices.

#32 Edited by padaporra (3417 posts) -

Yes, it is.

#33 Edited by drinkerofjuice (3188 posts) -
@Kinthalis said:

Meaningful interactions with the world? Check.

Oh my. You don't actually believe this, do you?

#34 Edited by danabo (2474 posts) -

@drinkerofjuice said:
@Kinthalis said:

Meaningful interactions with the world? Check.

Oh my. You don't actually believe this, do you?

I actually played all three, and the interactions were certainly meaningful. It's hard to argue that the decisions you made did not effect the game in any meaningful way. Let's just take Wrex:

"Wrex returns inMass Effect 2, provided he lived through the first game. [7] If Wrex survived, he is encountered on the krogan homeworld, Tuchanka, where he has united the various krogan clans under Clan Urdnot to strengthen his ailing race in the face of the genophage.[8] He has introduced many modernizing reforms to krogan society, but faces fierce opposition against more traditionalist clans. Should Wrex have been killed in the previous game by either Ashley or Shepard, the player will be sourly greeted by Wrex's brother, Wreav.

Wrex returns in Mass Effect 3, provided he survived the events of Mass Effect, and has become the de facto leader of the krogan. During a war summit between the Salarian Dalatrass Linron and the Turian Primarch Victus, Wrex demands a cure for the genophage. In return, he would deploy krogan troops to Palaven. Using leaked information, Wrex forces the Dalatrass to release a fertile female krogan who is immune to the genophage."

EDIT: People like to complain about the original ending in ME3, but after 300 hours of interacting with characters and making decisions that did in fact have direct and indirect consequences, I certainly have no complaints about the time I spent role-playing in the ME universe.

#35 Edited by LegatoSkyheart (25354 posts) -

@Kinthalis said:

@NeonNinja said:

You play a role and get the world/characters to view you in different ways. So I don't get what people expect an RPG to be.

Simply playing a role isn't sufficient. Technically you're playing a role when you play Super Mario.

Affecting the world as a direct consequence of your decisions, Is one valid requirement, but there are others. And that one requirement implicitly itself requires that the game provide you with menaingful choices.

Having Choices in the Game don't mean Squat when the ending you get is the same.

One reason why Fable 2 got so much flak and guess what, Fable 2 is more RPG than Mass Effect.

#36 Posted by johnd13 (8135 posts) -

Mostly yes.

#37 Posted by Vaasman (11423 posts) -

Yes.

Is it a bit bare bones on the elements in the 2nd and 3rd game? Certainly, but it still has enough distinct RPG elements to be considered an RPG franchise.

Just because it plays like a TPS doesn't mean it's a TPS. By that logic, other RPG's are simply strategy games, or Hack n Slash games.

#38 Edited by AdobeArtist (22883 posts) -

The poll results (so far) and most of the comments satisfy me :)

#39 Posted by wis3boi (31376 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

This whole "define an rpg" discussion is so overdone.

And lame. Very lame.

For me, it's an rpg.

DON'T SHOOT ME FOR IT

#40 Posted by cain006 (8625 posts) -

Eh. I wouldn't mind it being classified as one. Wouldn't mind it being classified as a TPS either.

#41 Posted by NeonNinja (17318 posts) -

@Kinthalis said:

@NeonNinja said:

You play a role and get the world/characters to view you in different ways. So I don't get what people expect an RPG to be.

Simply playing a role isn't sufficient. Technically you're playing a role when you play Super Mario.

Affecting the world as a direct consequence of your decisions, Is one valid requirement, but there are others. And that one requirement implicitly itself requires that the game provide you with menaingful choices.

When you play Super Mario you do not play a role. Mario is a pre-defined character, he does not change.

#42 Edited by lamprey263 (23905 posts) -

Yes, lots of Japanese "RPGs" get an unchallenged label of being called so and they can be even more linear and less stat and choice driven than the Mass Effect series is. And Mass Effect has more hurdles since it's sci-fi and not a generic fantasy setting of most RPGs.

If you take the most superficial aspects of Mass Effect like the alien races, and replace them with orcs and elves and dwarves and instead of a space ship you traveled on a dragon and instead of guns got bows and arrow and staffs for casting magic then nobody would argue it's an RPG. Fantasy settings have dominated the RPG genre far too long where something that is not so has to be challenged as not being an RPG.

#43 Edited by Jankarcop (9513 posts) -

mass effect is a third person shooter. CoD has more RPG elements.

#44 Posted by kingoflife9 (1987 posts) -

@Bigboi500 said:

It's more TPS than RPG.

#45 Edited by AdobeArtist (22883 posts) -

@NeonNinja said:

@Kinthalis said:

@NeonNinja said:

You play a role and get the world/characters to view you in different ways. So I don't get what people expect an RPG to be.

Simply playing a role isn't sufficient. Technically you're playing a role when you play Super Mario.

Affecting the world as a direct consequence of your decisions, Is one valid requirement, but there are others. And that one requirement implicitly itself requires that the game provide you with menaingful choices.

When you play Super Mario you do not play a role. Mario is a pre-defined character, he does not change.

People really need to understand the difference between merely controlling a character, and actually role playing a character. They're not the same dynamic at all.

@Jankarcop said:

mass effect is a third person shooter. CoD has more RPG elements.

If you have to rely on hyperbole to make an argument, you really have no argument at all.

And people always talk about the elements, but mechanics alone are only part of the equation of RPGs. Yes they have their part, not saying stats and leveling don't matter. But if that's all it took, then sure COD or Force Unleashed would count as RPGs.

The other side of the coin is the players ability to define their character, such that it becomes an extension of themselves, and not simply a puppet they're pulling the strings for, which is what you get in any action game. It all goes into the player determining their character development, not just in skills but in shaping the characters role in the story, where the player has interaction with the world around them through their character.

This type of experience isn't found in your typical shooter (Halo, COD, Killzone, Battlefield, Crysis, etc...) that is structured around linear story sequences with a pre-scripted avatar for the character.

#46 Posted by Sagem28 (10498 posts) -

Nah Homie.

#47 Posted by MBirdy88 (8220 posts) -


"Mass Effect is a series of science fiction action role-playing third person shooter video games developed by the Canadian company BioWare"

granted, wiki is the source, its a damn RPG, any moron saying no or voting no... get your head out of your a$$ you don't define genres.

#48 Posted by Maddie_Larkin (6519 posts) -

I would say that the first one was without a doubt, the 2nd and 3rd ones took away too much of what would make it an RPG and placed it straight in the hybrid Box. They are not 3rd person shooters, but not wholey RPGs either, given that alot of the layers of choice and consequences were stripped out.

Certain choices are simply removed in order to have a bigger focus on battle and war. But if you sk if mass 2 or 3 are bad games? No, I simly can not bring myself to claim that they are RPGs, but I find it perfectly fine to say that they are RPG hybrids. Most modern RPGs are afterall.

#49 Posted by BlbecekBobecek (2688 posts) -

It definitely is an RPG. And pretty good one at that. It has all the attributes - character developement, strong story that is impacted by players choices and I really feeled like Ms. Shepard (yep, my Shepard was a lady) when playing it.

#50 Posted by insanegame377 (332 posts) -

I'd say its a TPS-RPG hybrid. Anyone expecting something like CoD or Gears will be disappointed though.