Is FF the best MMO out right now?

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#1 Edited by Celtic_34 (1367 posts) -

With elder scrolls an apparent flop is it FF a realm reborn? Wow went downhill after vanilla imo and blizzard with all their money grubbing ways. FF is free better graphics and more up to date? Seems like elder scrolls is going to have to go back to the drawing board.

ARe people really that into mmo's these days where blizzard can even succeed with titan and as many people paying for it as they did with Wow? Seems like they just hit right at that time and people were suckers.

#2 Posted by AutoPilotOn (8551 posts) -

What do u mean ff is free? I am playing it now on ps4. I still like wow more, I am more used to it and comfortable with it. I am giving ff a chance.

#3 Edited by Celtic_34 (1367 posts) -

It has gotten good reviews is why I ask. Also have been watching youtube stuff and it looks good. I used to like mmo's when they were more fun. the original diablo and wow were two of my favorite games. But they really turned me off with their bs. Not so much petty stuff just i saw blizzards attitude and what aholes they can be. Seems like FF is at least trying to give fans what they want.

i'm assuming it's free and not subscription based. just pay for teh game and that's it. I haven't played it. Just thinking of giving it a try.

#4 Edited by Celtic_34 (1367 posts) -

blizzard got really greedy with their eula stuff. they would kill people vs being cool people I swear lol. blizzard to me are not good people. they are crazy.

#5 Posted by GoldenElementXL (3444 posts) -

There is a monthly fee........ Play Guild Wars 2 if you don't want to pay every month.

#6 Posted by lundy86_4 (43728 posts) -

I can't compare, as I only play FFXIV. It's leaps and bounds better than 1.0, but that's all I can say.

#7 Posted by AutoPilotOn (8551 posts) -

I am still getting used to controls in FF. Oh and finding where to go. I have a lot of trouble with that. In wow I always knew where to go or find out where easily. Maybe that's from years of playing it lol

#8 Edited by Ballroompirate (23275 posts) -

Currently, I have to say yes.

#9 Posted by Wasdie (50245 posts) -

World of Warcraft is still the "best" MMO out there if we're going to talk objectively. Easily the most content and most polish.

Final Fantasty 14 is a decent MMO now. Last I played it the game was a bit content thin. That was several major patches ago. I may fire it up again and play it some more.

#10 Posted by Zassimick (6764 posts) -

Couldn't say as I hardly play any MMOs, but FFXIV is the only one to hook me. In fact, it's hooked me more than many other games have recently.

Looking forward to getting into it tomorrow.

#11 Edited by Krelian-co (11635 posts) -

Naw GW 2 is.

#12 Edited by Spitfire-Six (544 posts) -

WOW is still MMO king.

#13 Edited by WiiMan21 (8187 posts) -

WoW, Guild Wars 2, and even Elder Scrolls Online is better than that even.

Still good though. :)

#14 Posted by Vaasman (11563 posts) -

No. Tried a bit recently, it's certainly a colossal step up compared to the initial release, but still, it's hardly the best MMO. GW2 and WoW have it beat, and maybe ToR/Planetide 2 since they have very solid F2P payment models.

#15 Posted by RyviusARC (4638 posts) -

@Vaasman said:

No. Tried a bit recently, it's certainly a colossal step up compared to the initial release, but still, it's hardly the best MMO. GW2 and WoW have it beat, and maybe ToR/Planetide 2 since they have very solid F2P payment models.

I hated GW2 because having classes felt pointless.

At least with FF14 there is the holy trinity where you feel needed.

GW2 just felt a lot more casual and easy going.

#16 Posted by Snugenz (12007 posts) -

@Wasdie said:

World of Warcraft is still the "best" MMO out there if we're going to talk objectively. Easily the most content and most polish.

Final Fantasty 14 is a decent MMO now. Last I played it the game was a bit content thin. That was several major patches ago. I may fire it up again and play it some more.

This, plus that GCD is a killer (thank you consoles) it's the main thing that stopped me playing the game (lack of content being the other).

Even though i don't play it anymore the fluidity and polish WoW has is unmatched in the MMO genre.

#17 Posted by uninspiredcup (9617 posts) -

Guild Wars 2.

#18 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (14512 posts) -

MMO's Suck.

Whos excited for The Division ?

#19 Posted by santoron (7792 posts) -

@Wasdie said:

World of Warcraft is still the "best" MMO out there if we're going to talk objectively. Easily the most content and most polish.

Final Fantasty 14 is a decent MMO now. Last I played it the game was a bit content thin. That was several major patches ago. I may fire it up again and play it some more.

Agree and agree. FFXIV is going to feel light on content until it gets it first expansion, I'd imagine. There's stuff to keep you busy, but a lot of redoing the same fights over and over at this point, even if it's with an increased difficulty level. Still, it's a strong MMO with a bright future. I wouldn't be surprised to hear something about an expansion at E3, now that they've got their platform launches done.

#20 Posted by Sweenix (5399 posts) -

Yes it is, in fact. It's the greatest MMO to ever be created

#21 Posted by princeofshapeir (14399 posts) -

@Sweenix said:

Yes it is, in fact. It's the greatest MMO to ever be created

lol

#22 Posted by MlauTheDaft (3922 posts) -

Wait, it's free?

#23 Edited by onewiththegame (4258 posts) -

@MlauTheDaft:

No, $12.99 a month

If it was free I'd be playing it

#24 Posted by ShepardCommandr (2890 posts) -

All mmos suck

#25 Edited by MBirdy88 (8434 posts) -

@Krelian-co said:

Naw GW 2 is.

said no one that actually likes MMOs ever.

#26 Posted by XboxDone74 (2047 posts) -

Yep. DC Universe is close, but FFRR is the best.

#27 Edited by ninboxstation (167 posts) -

Square-Enix is pushing, updating, balancing, polishing, expanding FFXIV on and on... (primal "extremre", new coils ect. ect..)

the mix of "very challenging" (coils 5-9) and "easy going" (fates, CT & ST) endgame content (with a very motivating gear/weapon upgrades and class system), nowonder more and more are saying, that FFXIV is developing into possibly the best MMO ever...(and it loooks gorgeous too.. its landscapes, gear/characters, ... even mounts)

just dont be fooled by its "medicore" mainstory and a few bland NPC characters during the "maingame", which is more like one long (and beautifull) tutorial... it takes off with the "endgame".. (which is FULL of things to do, master, collect ect. ect. ect..)

and because it (still) has a subrcription, Square-Enix is able to keep polishing and expanding FFXIV so well..., its way worth the subscritpion ammount...

check out my ablums/photos on Facebook "Rai TheNoblesse" for some "FFXIV" pics/impresssions (PS4)

#28 Edited by -Unreal- (24544 posts) -

The only thing I can think of which Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Re-released (because they fucked it up the first time round) does better than 'World of Decade-long Genre Domination-Craft' is the technical aspect of its graphics.

#29 Posted by lostrib (38984 posts) -

Don't bring up old shit

#30 Posted by jg4xchamp (48692 posts) -

@MBirdy88 said:

@Krelian-co said:

Naw GW 2 is.

said no one that actually likes MMOs ever.

What's bad about Guild War 2? genuinely curious.

Never played any substantial mmo's myself. Never touched WoW, hated Final Fantasy 11 on the premise that my friends talked about it during lunch in high school (hey that's the most important class). Only really played PSO Ep 1, 2 which are mmo lite, episode 3 which is a travesty to fun, and City of Heroes because I mean come on. I was under the impression Guild Wars 2 was suppose to be a dope game. Was wanting to finally try that and WoW this year.

#31 Posted by MBirdy88 (8434 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

@MBirdy88 said:

@Krelian-co said:

Naw GW 2 is.

said no one that actually likes MMOs ever.

What's bad about Guild War 2? genuinely curious.

Never played any substantial mmo's myself. Never touched WoW, hated Final Fantasy 11 on the premise that my friends talked about it during lunch in high school (hey that's the most important class). Only really played PSO Ep 1, 2 which are mmo lite, episode 3 which is a travesty to fun, and City of Heroes because I mean come on. I was under the impression Guild Wars 2 was suppose to be a dope game. Was wanting to finally try that and WoW this year.

I'm overly harsh on it. but it boils down to being a flashy 1 time playthrough (because after that it is boring as sin) with alot to explore and do once.... but then its end game is horrible for PvE fans (most of the genre...) and the lack of trinity makes it the most mindless dps spam game in existience.

#32 Posted by Zassimick (6764 posts) -

Aww... this thread getting bumped reminds me that I haven't played FFXIV for so long because of how busy I've been. I really need to play it again, though it may not be for another month till I can. #sadchocobo

#33 Edited by MBirdy88 (8434 posts) -

Depends what you want... a flashy MMO with lots to grind and play dress up? absolutely..... it has those FF production values.

Are you raider? if so... no.... 1 dungeon per 6 months that is incredibly short and is only 8 man.

PvP focused? no ...... the queues are already long and its been out 3 weeks... and its... ok .... but there are far better games.

Its a very nice casual MMO. but if your competitive in any element of an MMO... there are better alternatives.

#34 Posted by jg4xchamp (48692 posts) -

@MBirdy88 said:

@jg4xchamp said:

What's bad about Guild War 2? genuinely curious.

Never played any substantial mmo's myself. Never touched WoW, hated Final Fantasy 11 on the premise that my friends talked about it during lunch in high school (hey that's the most important class). Only really played PSO Ep 1, 2 which are mmo lite, episode 3 which is a travesty to fun, and City of Heroes because I mean come on. I was under the impression Guild Wars 2 was suppose to be a dope game. Was wanting to finally try that and WoW this year.

I'm overly harsh on it. but it boils down to being a flashy 1 time playthrough (because after that it is boring as sin) with alot to explore and do once.... but then its end game is horrible for PvE fans (most of the genre...) and the lack of trinity makes it the most mindless dps spam game in existience.

Lacking content, shallow (ideal word given no reason for healer or tank right?), and no replay value. Hmm, but as a one of still worth a spin? Albeit the battle system being boring sounds lame.

Thoughts on how WoW stacks up? I know I can fuck with it for the first 20 levels for free, not sure if I want to go that extra mile, because cheap.

#35 Posted by Snugenz (12007 posts) -

It's a good MMO and probably the best on consoles but on PC Wildstar has it beat.

#36 Posted by MBirdy88 (8434 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

@MBirdy88 said:

@jg4xchamp said:

What's bad about Guild War 2? genuinely curious.

Never played any substantial mmo's myself. Never touched WoW, hated Final Fantasy 11 on the premise that my friends talked about it during lunch in high school (hey that's the most important class). Only really played PSO Ep 1, 2 which are mmo lite, episode 3 which is a travesty to fun, and City of Heroes because I mean come on. I was under the impression Guild Wars 2 was suppose to be a dope game. Was wanting to finally try that and WoW this year.

I'm overly harsh on it. but it boils down to being a flashy 1 time playthrough (because after that it is boring as sin) with alot to explore and do once.... but then its end game is horrible for PvE fans (most of the genre...) and the lack of trinity makes it the most mindless dps spam game in existience.

Lacking content, shallow (ideal word given no reason for healer or tank right?), and no replay value. Hmm, but as a one of still worth a spin? Albeit the battle system being boring sounds lame.

Thoughts on how WoW stacks up? I know I can fuck with it for the first 20 levels for free, not sure if I want to go that extra mile, because cheap.

Well it has no sub, so its content packed for what it is, and you may like the PvP. Its worth a playthrough. but if you are looking for a competitive end-game that lasts in PvE (which WoW still does bet.... now followed by Wildstar/Rift) then not really.

Its a decent game... just a poor end-gamed MMO.

#37 Posted by jg4xchamp (48692 posts) -

Wildstar is legit?

#38 Edited by Wasdie (50245 posts) -

World of Warcraft is still probably the best MMO on the market in terms of content, features, and completeness. A lot of people don't like the gameplay of WoW or are simply bored of it after nearly a decade of playing it. However you can't deny it's existing presence.

FF is a decent MMO that's gotten a lot better since launch. It has a good future. Guild Wars 2 is still going strong despite my lack of interest in the design.

Elder Scrolls Online was DoA. Wildstar is good but has some issues. Some future MMOs like Archage and Black Desert have a lot to prove and I don't have high hopes for it. I think the next big thing in MMOs is stuff like Star Citizen and Elite dangerous as the market is already over saturated with more traditional MMORPGs.

@jg4xchamp said:

Wildstar is legit?

It's got very solid core gameplay but there is a lot of issues with its design. It could be the finest MMO on the market if they addressed some of the issues, which they should in time.

#39 Posted by lostrib (38984 posts) -

@Wasdie: i guess even mods don't notice when they post in a 3 month old thread

#40 Posted by musicalmac (23112 posts) -

The issue I have is that the Elder Scrolls MMO doesn't play like Elder Scrolls. They should have just poked Turbine (who make LOTRO) to do the same thing, only with more ES and less LOTR.

#41 Posted by Wasdie (50245 posts) -
@jg4xchamp said:

Lacking content, shallow (ideal word given no reason for healer or tank right?), and no replay value. Hmm, but as a one of still worth a spin? Albeit the battle system being boring sounds lame.

Thoughts on how WoW stacks up? I know I can fuck with it for the first 20 levels for free, not sure if I want to go that extra mile, because cheap.

Do not star WoW from scratch. I tried. Without gear that allows you to quickly level up that you can only get if you already have a max level character it takes forever to level up.

I started a Human Paladin for the Alliance last year with the goal of being level 90 and doing Pandaria raids. I had over 6 days of in-game play time and I was still only level 86. It's a massive time sink and extremely repetitive.

WoW is no longer for new players. WoW now caters to its long standing audience.

#42 Posted by Wasdie (50245 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@Wasdie: i guess even mods don't notice when they post in a 3 month old thread

Eh it happens. Given there is some discussion and the topic isn't exactly out of date, I'll keep it up.

#43 Edited by Vaasman (11563 posts) -

@jg4xchamp: simply dont think of gw2 as a traditional MMO, more of a sandbox/ single player rpg with your 1000 best friends, and you'll probably enjoy it. People mostly get hung up on endgame, but even if you stop when you finish leveling you're still getting a shitload of solid content for the price. If you don't already play WoW, don't play WoW. Unless you plan to be in it for the long haul it isn't worth looking at. The early content is dull as fuck even after they updated it. WoW is only on top of the endgame anymore, other games do everything else better. Not to mention, Blizzard's price points for certain items and services are absolutely heinous.

#44 Posted by Zelda187 (999 posts) -

A Realm Reborn isn't free, but yes, IMO it's the best MMO on the market right now.

WoW has become so easy and so incredibly dumbed down that it's ridiculous.

#45 Edited by MBirdy88 (8434 posts) -

@Vaasman said:

@jg4xchamp: simply dont think of gw2 as a traditional MMO, more of a sandbox/ single player rpg with your 1000 best friends, and you'll probably enjoy it. People mostly get hung up on endgame, but even if you stop when you finish leveling you're still getting a shitload of solid content for the price. If you don't already play WoW, don't play WoW. Unless you plan to be in it for the long haul it isn't worth looking at. The early content is dull as fuck even after they updated it. WoW is only on top of the endgame anymore, other games do everything else better.

.... its completely a theme park, it has no sandbox elements. no, a more accurate desciprtion is "think of world of warcraft, with a slightly different approach to leveling, and a level sync that still makes you overpowered for the content .... then take away any resembelence of a decent way to play at max level."

There is nothing sandbox about it over WoW. it has all the same trappings of any other MMO other than picking up quests... and random events are not even specific to it.

Its in every way a traditional MMO without any solid direction. a mish mash.

Also 6 days played to level 90 on WoW? cmon Wasdia sounds like a personal issue.....

#46 Edited by jg4xchamp (48692 posts) -

@Wasdie said:
@jg4xchamp said:

Lacking content, shallow (ideal word given no reason for healer or tank right?), and no replay value. Hmm, but as a one of still worth a spin? Albeit the battle system being boring sounds lame.

Thoughts on how WoW stacks up? I know I can fuck with it for the first 20 levels for free, not sure if I want to go that extra mile, because cheap.

Do not star WoW from scratch. I tried. Without gear that allows you to quickly level up that you can only get if you already have a max level character it takes forever to level up.

I started a Human Paladin for the Alliance last year with the goal of being level 90 and doing Pandaria raids. I had over 6 days of in-game play time and I was still only level 86. It's a massive time sink and extremely repetitive.

WoW is no longer for new players. WoW now caters to its long standing audience.

Or OR OR, we could be bros and like go through it together n stuff.

#47 Posted by Wasdie (50245 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

Or OR OR, we could be bros and like go through it together n stuff.

Maybe. WoW's leveling is much more tailored for a solo experience unless you run all dungeons on your level. Then it could be fun.

#48 Edited by Snugenz (12007 posts) -

@Wasdie said:

@jg4xchamp said:

Or OR OR, we could be bros and like go through it together n stuff.

Maybe. WoW's leveling is much more tailored for a solo experience unless you run all dungeons on your level. Then it could be fun.

Or if you really cba and don't mind a little extortion you could always buy the level 90 boost :P

Speaking of which i still have to use mine from my WoD purchase, wish i could sell it like CREDD.

#49 Posted by bbkkristian (14963 posts) -

I'd say yes. As someone whose been an active subscriber since last year. It's also the only game that has been keeping my ps4 from obtaining dust.

#50 Edited by rabakill (742 posts) -

GW2 is a tiresome bore, the only good part of the game are world bosses but they are so few and far between that the game strings you along with filler for a few good moments. Ech, I can't stand the tedious questing of guild wars 2, you go to a random place and do the kill 10 of x, hit y switch, protect z same thing over and over and over and it's never that fun.