Is Dues Ex deeper and more meaningful than metal Gear solids?

I would go with Dues Ex. Human Revolutions really made me think.

Both are good. The online community, wiki and forums help in terms of story, plot, theories etc if your struggling.
Would be nice to see another full Deus Ex game.

Holy shit stop making threads

The only good Deus Ex was the first one. MGS games are consistently good if not excellent. BUT, in terms of making you think about.... deep... stuff, Deus Ex has got it. MGS' story is kinda messy which kills any deepness in its stories.

for real,

one is a linear stealth action 3rd person game,

deus ex is an open ended first person rpg which has way more branches than a tree touch another tree.

mods where are you?

uninspiredcup makes no sense,

does he make sense to you mods?

My friend, metal gear solid is now an open world game.

Dues Ex: Human Revolution is objectively superior to the first game in multiple regards.

If you mean the first Deus Ex then yes,that game is gameplay wise far superior to any MGS game and it´s own sequels.

Metal Gear Solid's story can only be appreciated if you understand you're entering a wacky video game story that does very little in the way of quality narrative.

Deus Ex is maybe a LITTLE more relatable, but meh it wasn't anything that stood out as exceptional in any way.

comparing MGS on the PS1 and the first deus ex, they both certainly make you think and they both have a powerful message. the message that sticks with me from MGS is the pointlessness of war. it just causes misery and suffering and achieves nothing (i dont entirely agree with the message but thats what i remember from it). the later games seemed to lose the plot but that first playstation version (i know MG did not start on the playstation) sticks with you.

but, for me, deus ex was life changing stuff. some of the stuff with aliens and all that can certainly be treated as good old fashion conspiracy fun....but the mass surveilance, the fear instilled in the populace to control, the neutering of the free media in some parts of the world (the UK is getting very scary in this regard at the moment. cameras everywhere, the need to be absolutely PC or face harsh penalties). the major breaches in privacy (but sure thats OK if you have nothing to hide right?). deus ex made me much more aware of it or the possibility of it.

so far the game has also been pretty darn accurate. neutered media, scared populace, mass surveilance, privacy gone.

god help us if the nano technology in the game is ever developed. that could get very nasty very quickly.

My friend, not sure about the original. Area 51 was a bit much. Revolutions story was more grounded I feel. We are now at the point we can replace people faces. It seems logical that in the future generic design for military, cosmetics, medicine and so fourth will be norm.

i beat deus x it was okay i really dont get why people love this game so much. its an fps with some rpg in it and the story is okay but nothing that memorable

it hasn't even released yet,

and despite being open world,

mgs gz wont have branching story lines as deep as deus ex.

**** even human revolutions wasn't as deep.

kojima can barely make sense of one story line

@uninspiredcup what was wrong with mgs2 story?

seriously wtf? mgs always has great story (i havnt played mgs4 yet so cant comment on that 1).

Stem cell research is just that, at this point. Nuclear arms in the hands of many, is a real, black market threat.

there's nothing deeper than MGS.

There should be a rule that you can only make 1 thread every 3 days or something, or just ban uninspiredcup for being an idiot and his stupid threads.

Could not get into it at all. Ugly colour palette, shit boss fights, generic upgrading/level up system, boring areas to explore crap character... Very intriguing story however.

Lol. Yeah mate I do think Deus Ex 1 is an amazing game but to say it paved the way for Fallout and Skyrim (an Elder Scrolls game)? U... Wot? I'm guessing you are relatively new to gaming but Deus Ex 1 pretty much combined and polished many features from games such as Fallout 1 and 2, Planescape Torment and other old wRPGs ALSO the hybrid of an rpg with a first person perspective was done well before Deus Ex came around. For example, Elder Scrolls and System Shock.

Not counting the travesty of MGS4, I have played MGS2 and 3 through approximately 40 times, each.

I couldn't continue playing Deus Ex HR after meeting the first boss and realizing my stealth tactics were meaningless against him.

the original DX shits on any MGS put together. Fucking movie games :lol:

My friends, you don't seem to understand the question. Perhaps it's too deep.

Not as deep as the story of MGS2.

There is nothing deep about either. Unless you are 12 or have the mind of one.

Story wise? Both are exceptionally stupid, albeit one is a little more up its own ass.

Gameplay wise? arguably Deus Ex 1 has more depth, but I'd contest that Snake Eater is an overall better game. Matter of fact between the two of them I'd take Snake Eater over any other game between the 2 franchises.

MGS2 has the deepest story in terms of all the games in either series. When the NSA stuff broke out last May, the first thing I thought about was MGS2. The implications of the story are terrifying and becoming more and more real.

You are cancer personified.

Deus Ex isn't even REMOTELY close to Metal Gear. The worst Metal Gear is on par, if not SUPERIOR to the best Deus Ex. That should tell you something about the quality of the franchise.

Why?

It really depends on your definition of the word. Metal Gear Solid clearly has a lot more thought put into the plot, however, if you don't pay close attention to every minute detail, the games come off as a bunch of hot nonsense.

Deus Ex is going to appear more meaningful to the untrained eye, but there's more going on in Metal Gear for people who have time to consume themselves in the lore.

My friend, you are wrong. Rather than make juvenile blank statements or insult you, like a Metal Gear Solid fan, I shall explain an example within 15 minutes of Metal Gear Solid.

1. Boss walk out to the bridge with two nuke shaped boxes. Deliberately dropping them to put them off balance.

(I think maybe she has defected)

2. "Sokalov comes with me"

(I think maybe she has defected)

3. Sokalov is picked up and put inside a Russian Helocopter

(I think she might have defected)

4. "My friends, let us fight again" to which the bad guys reply " we will fight with you once more"

(I think she might have defected)

5. Volgin (ye now, the main bad guy) calmly walks out

(I think she might have defected)

6. "welcome to my country, and to my unit"

(I think she might have defected)

7. Snake, being an intelligent as ****, well written character scratches his head "boss, what is this?"

(I think she might have defected)

8. "i'm defecting to the soviat union"

(she has defected)

9. She attacks him, takes his gun then breaks his arm. Then Volgin explains "he's seen my face... "We can't let him live"

(I think something bad might happen)

10. She puts out her hand, being well written, snakes accepts it.Get the shit beat out of him some more than gets chucked off to fall 100's of feet.

(something bad happened)

My friends, even on an absolute basic fundamental level, this has absolutely no thought or logic put into it. It's in essence, a bunch of scenes made to look cool, devoid of any intellectual substance.

LOL

Convoluted/=/deep.

Yes.

GitS > Deus Ex

yes the first Deus destroyed all Metal gear solids in storyline because unlike them it doesn't throw in useless bullshit.

Dude, I love Metal Gear, and I love Deus Ex. Metal Gear's a bunch of hot nonsense. But it certainly has a lot of thought put into it. There may be parts where it makes no sense -- because it's hot nonsense -- but it's not written without any craft.

Considering that the overwhelming majority of people missed the social commentary of MGS2, no, it is not.

So because it's poorly written and poorly conveys it's idea's, it's better? I see.

This my friend, is the pretentious type of response I would expect from a metal gear solids fan. Confusing convoluted for intelligent.

Portal is an intelligent game with an intelligent story. 6 year olds barely able to operate a keyboard can play and comprehend it.

Deus is boring as hell and not fun to play.

If you think it's poorly written, then 1. Explain the social commentary in MGS2, 2. Explain what gameplay and story mechanics are used to communicate the themes of the game, and facts about the characters and 3. Lastly, explain how you think it was poorly done.

Good luck.

My friend, after all that, you are still missing the point. With yet, more pretentious nonsense.

Accusing me of being pretentious is just a projection. You made a claim, "poorly written," as if it is a fact.
This shouldn't be hard; there are many analyses for MGS2-- it released in 2001.

My friend, the point is still alluding you. In fact, you seem nigh on oblivious to the fact you are giving it credibility.

Your posts are self-contradictory. You made a topic about which is "deeper and more meaningful", yet when someone points out the fact that MGS2 has deeper, more meaningful, social commentary than the Deus Ex games (or the other MGS games, for that matter), instead of disputing this, you instead choose to focus on how it was "poorly conveyed" or "convoluted", almost as if you already acknowledge that MGS2 has deeper, more meaningful, social commentary, but are trying to make excuses to dismiss that fact. Arguing over how it was "poorly conveyed" or "convoluted" doesn't help your argument in any way.

Again missing the point and not understanding the difference.

It seems more or less at this point, the metal Gears solids franchise is solidified as being a pretentious game for pretentious people. While Dues Ex is a genuinely intelligent title.