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#101 Posted by TigerSpiderman (25 posts) -
[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="TigerSpiderman"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] No you said he was banned here's the quote tree:

[QUOTE="TigerSpiderman"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

Well there's that Jakandsigz fellow. 

Jonwh18

Which i would not know of because it's been like 5 months since i was here.

But you where here just yesterday before getting banned! :o 

You clearly were talking about Jak, who is not banned. So how could he be banned if he is not banned? You getting memory loss at an early age man?
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#102 Posted by Jonwh18 (9350 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="TigerSpiderman"] Which i would not know of because it's been like 5 months since i was here.TigerSpiderman

But you where here just yesterday before getting banned! :o 

You clearly were talking about Jak, who is not banned. So how could he be banned if he is not banned? You getting memory loss at an early age man?

You do realize everyone can just go back and read the converstation correct? I called you out for being Nation protector serveral times. Then you said 

"Can't think of any other person who when in a corner just says the same thing over and over to be annoying."

And I replied "Well there's that Jakandsigz fellow." 

Then you said : "Which i would not know of because it's been like 5 months since i was here."

And I said: "But you where here just yesterday before getting banned! surprised.gif

Obviously refering to nationprotector who was just banned yesterday. 

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#103 Posted by Tessellation (8908 posts) -
the 3 strikes is BS and i am talking in general,lets say a nice well known user that is known for intelligent debates,that doesn't troll and contributes a lot happens to say some things that fall under the category of 3 strikes..are they going to ban them and ignore all the nice things about the these users?
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#104 Posted by Jonwh18 (9350 posts) -

the 3 strikes is BS and i am talking in general,lets say a nice well known user that is known for intelligent debates,that doesn't troll and contributes a lot happens to say some things that fall under the category of 3 strikes..are they going to ban them and ignore all the nice things about the these users?Tessellation
Are you insinuating that you are one such user? 

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#105 Posted by Tessellation (8908 posts) -

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]the 3 strikes is BS and i am talking in general,lets say a nice well known user that is known for intelligent debates,that doesn't troll and contributes a lot happens to say some things that fall under the category of 3 strikes..are they going to ban them and ignore all the nice things about the these users?Jonwh18

Are you insinuating that you are one such user? 

I don't really care what you think about me and don't think you fall in that category either :cool: + i am talking in general users like psymon100 etc.
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#106 Posted by Jonwh18 (9350 posts) -

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[QUOTE="Tessellation"]the 3 strikes is BS and i am talking in general,lets say a nice well known user that is known for intelligent debates,that doesn't troll and contributes a lot happens to say some things that fall under the category of 3 strikes..are they going to ban them and ignore all the nice things about the these users?Tessellation

Are you insinuating that you are one such user? 

I don't really care what you think about me and don't think you fall in that category either :cool: + i am talking in general users like psymon100 etc.

Well that type of user would be smart enough not to get three strikes to begin with, wouldn't they?

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#107 Posted by Tessellation (8908 posts) -

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] Are you insinuating that you are one such user? 

Jonwh18

I don't really care what you think about me and don't think you fall in that category either :cool: + i am talking in general users like psymon100 etc.

Well that type of user would be smart enough not to get three strikes to begin with, wouldn't they?

it isn't about being smart or not,if you say something that someone doesn't like they will report you,even if your post wasn't trolling or harmful material.
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#108 Posted by CaseyWegner (70104 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] I don't really care what you think about me and don't think you fall in that category either :cool: + i am talking in general users like psymon100 etc.Tessellation

Well that type of user would be smart enough not to get three strikes to begin with, wouldn't they?

it isn't about being smart or not,if you say something that someone doesn't like they will report you,even if your post wasn't trolling or harmful material.

but then they wouldn't actually be modded and the person who reported such a thing could find themselves in trouble.

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#109 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (44442 posts) -
Perhaps this will bring back the decent discussion that we saw years ago where people actually had to make an effort to troll.
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#110 Posted by Seabas989 (12793 posts) -

Perhaps this will bring back the decent discussion that we saw years ago where people actually had to make an effort to troll.Stevo_the_gamer

No troll will ever top yo-foo anf gingerdivid.

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#111 Posted by Tessellation (8908 posts) -
Perhaps this will bring back the decent discussion that we saw years ago where people actually had to make an effort to troll.Stevo_the_gamer
no if trolling is allowed, if new troll account gets banned they will make a new one..you guys will go crazy banning people everyday.
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#112 Posted by Cherokee_Jack (32198 posts) -
Perhaps this will bring back the decent discussion that we saw years ago where people actually had to make an effort to troll.Stevo_the_gamer
No, it won't, because trolling isn't dependent on personal attacks. All trolls have to do is hype the mediocre launch games for the X1 and act like it's going to beat the PS4, and it will be just as lazy and obvious as ever, yet kids will take the bait every time. [spoiler] See how easy that was? [/spoiler]
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#113 Posted by CaseyWegner (70104 posts) -

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Perhaps this will bring back the decent discussion that we saw years ago where people actually had to make an effort to troll.Tessellation
no if trolling is allowed, if new troll account gets banned they will make a new one..you guys will go crazy banning people everyday.

that's nothing new, though.

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#114 Posted by Tessellation (8908 posts) -

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Perhaps this will bring back the decent discussion that we saw years ago where people actually had to make an effort to troll.CaseyWegner

no if trolling is allowed, if new troll account gets banned they will make a new one..you guys will go crazy banning people everyday.

that's nothing new, though.

i don't really know what they use to stop ban-dodging here,but looks like it doesn't work at all.

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#115 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38222 posts) -

Perhaps this will bring back the decent discussion that we saw years ago where people actually had to make an effort to troll.Stevo_the_gamer

Your post sounds like a huge contradiction

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#116 Posted by kingtito (7843 posts) -
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Great, you give us a shitty new layout that makes me vomit, and then make it so SW isn't fun anymore.

Keep on being unintelligent.

SWs isn't fun, unless you like looking at trolls all day. Most conversations are mostly trolls making the same old post day after day.
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#117 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (44442 posts) -

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Perhaps this will bring back the decent discussion that we saw years ago where people actually had to make an effort to troll.seanmcloughlin

Your post sounds like a huge contradiction

How so?
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#118 Posted by Animal-Mother (27341 posts) -
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Perhaps this will bring back the decent discussion that we saw years ago where people actually had to make an effort to troll.Tessellation
no if trolling is allowed, if new troll account gets banned they will make a new one..you guys will go crazy banning people everyday.

lol decent discussion?
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#119 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (44442 posts) -
[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Perhaps this will bring back the decent discussion that we saw years ago where people actually had to make an effort to troll.Animal-Mother
no if trolling is allowed, if new troll account gets banned they will make a new one..you guys will go crazy banning people everyday.

lol decent discussion?

Why is that funny?
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#120 Posted by Jonwh18 (9350 posts) -

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] no if trolling is allowed, if new troll account gets banned they will make a new one..you guys will go crazy banning people everyday.Stevo_the_gamer
lol decent discussion?

Why is that funny?

because you also said trolls. Which don't want to have a decent discussion at all. They just want to wasate your time because they have nothing better to do.

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#121 Posted by Animal-Mother (27341 posts) -
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Tessellation"] no if trolling is allowed, if new troll account gets banned they will make a new one..you guys will go crazy banning people everyday.

lol decent discussion?

Why is that funny?

Telling us that trolls have to work harder doesn't make a more decent discussion. They just resort to scummier tactics than. Like sean said it's absolutely contradicting.
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#122 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (44442 posts) -
because you also said trolls. Which don't want to have a decent discussion at all. They just want to wasate your time because they have nothing better to do.Jonwh18
Trolls will always be around so pretending we can rid of them all is silly, but now trolls are going to have to make an effort. What sucked the fun out of SW was the removal of a lot of the "actual debate discussion" and implementation of "lol butthurt" or "virgin lol," or "TXHBO."
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#123 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (28850 posts) -
Perhaps this will bring back the decent discussion that we saw years ago where people actually had to make an effort to troll.Stevo_the_gamer
nah the site will be just as crappy, It wasn't very good back then BUT its far worse now.
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#124 Posted by Heil68 (56832 posts) -
[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]because you also said trolls. Which don't want to have a decent discussion at all. They just want to wasate your time because they have nothing better to do.Stevo_the_gamer
Trolls will always be around so pretending we can rid of them all is silly, but now trolls are going to have to make an effort. What sucked the fun out of SW was the removal of a lot of the "actual debate discussion" and implementation of "lol butthurt" or "virgin lol," or "TXHBO."

"GameSpot will not tolerate hate speech, threats, and we will ban accordingly at our own discretion." Saying "lol butthurt" or "virgin lol," or "TXHBO." does not fall under the above guidelines...OR DOES IT? :o
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#125 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (44442 posts) -

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"]because you also said trolls. Which don't want to have a decent discussion at all. They just want to wasate your time because they have nothing better to do.Heil68
Trolls will always be around so pretending we can rid of them all is silly, but now trolls are going to have to make an effort. What sucked the fun out of SW was the removal of a lot of the "actual debate discussion" and implementation of "lol butthurt" or "virgin lol," or "TXHBO."

"GameSpot will not tolerate hate speech, threats, and we will ban accordingly at our own discretion." Saying "lol butthurt" or "virgin lol," or "TXHBO." does not fall under the above guidelines...OR DOES IT? :o

From this point forward, personal attacks towards anyone will not be tolerated.

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#126 Posted by Heil68 (56832 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] Trolls will always be around so pretending we can rid of them all is silly, but now trolls are going to have to make an effort. What sucked the fun out of SW was the removal of a lot of the "actual debate discussion" and implementation of "lol butthurt" or "virgin lol," or "TXHBO." Stevo_the_gamer

"GameSpot will not tolerate hate speech, threats, and we will ban accordingly at our own discretion." Saying "lol butthurt" or "virgin lol," or "TXHBO." does not fall under the above guidelines...OR DOES IT? :o

From this point forward, personal attacks towards anyone will not be tolerated.

Well I live the Live, Learn and Love lifestyle, so I'm golden baby...awwww yeahhhhhh #legendary :D
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#127 Posted by Zensword (4104 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] Trolls will always be around so pretending we can rid of them all is silly, but now trolls are going to have to make an effort. What sucked the fun out of SW was the removal of a lot of the "actual debate discussion" and implementation of "lol butthurt" or "virgin lol," or "TXHBO." Stevo_the_gamer

"GameSpot will not tolerate hate speech, threats, and we will ban accordingly at our own discretion." Saying "lol butthurt" or "virgin lol," or "TXHBO." does not fall under the above guidelines...OR DOES IT? :o

From this point forward, personal attacks towards anyone will not be tolerated.

That's great *applause*
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#128 Posted by Heil68 (56832 posts) -
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Heil68"] "GameSpot will not tolerate hate speech, threats, and we will ban accordingly at our own discretion." Saying "lol butthurt" or "virgin lol," or "TXHBO." does not fall under the above guidelines...OR DOES IT? :o Zensword

From this point forward, personal attacks towards anyone will not be tolerated.

That's great *applause*

Agree. Being on the end of unjustified attacks when all I'm doing is spreading the #truth can be disheartening. Nice to know Steveo will be protecting me against such barbaric attacks.
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#129 Posted by XVision84 (13985 posts) -

So I understand the warning system and the "no insulting other people" rules, but please don't tell me we're reverting all the way back to the very old ToU where you get moderated for so much as sneezing...

And the layout is horrible, I don't mind the change, but why make it plain and dull like GB? And don't even get me started on the sigs...

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#130 Posted by foxhound_fox (95784 posts) -

Vague rules, ripe for moderation abuse.deangallop

Just how the ego-maniacal admin/mod team like it.
The rules have not been fully revealed yet. super600
Same bullsh!t you guys were shoveling a month ago when this change was announced. Why not just go full-disclosure and wait for feedback?
Perhaps this will bring back the decent discussion that we saw years ago where people actually had to make an effort to troll.Stevo_the_gamer
The "Golden Age" is a myth pervaded by the nostalgic. The posting in System Wars has never been "good". There are gems hidden amongst the sea of filth, but we still have it, you just obviously aren't looking hard enough.

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#131 Posted by foxhound_fox (95784 posts) -
From this point forward, personal attacks towards anyone will not be tolerated.Stevo_the_gamer
People need to learn that life isn't fair and them being on the internet doesn't entitle them to be free from offense. Almost exactly like life. :| At least on a computer, you can hit the red x or turn it off. Can't wait till I get banned.
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#132 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (44442 posts) -
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]From this point forward, personal attacks towards anyone will not be tolerated.foxhound_fox
People need to learn that life isn't fair and them being on the internet doesn't entitle them to be free from offense. Almost exactly like life. :| At least on a computer, you can hit the red x or turn it off. Can't wait till I get banned.

There is a lot of entitlements in the public arena; but that's a discussion that's reserved for off-topic. GS has decided that enough is enough and that it will no longer tolerate jerks. I think that's pretty fair.
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#133 Posted by CaseyWegner (70104 posts) -

So I understand the warning system and the "no insulting other people" rules, but please don't tell me we're reverting all the way back to the very old ToU where you get moderated for so much as sneezing...

And the layout is horrible, I don't mind the change, but why make it plain and dull like GB? And don't even get me started on the sigs...

XVision84

not quite. you can get moderated for flaming but not for trolling...as long as it's not stupid trolling. trolling was by far the most common moderation under the very old tou.

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#134 Posted by foxhound_fox (95784 posts) -
There is a lot of entitlements in the public arena; but that's a discussion that's reserved for off-topic. GS has decided that enough is enough and that it will no longer tolerate jerks. I think that's pretty fair. Stevo_the_gamer
Then they'll have to ban over half the community.
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#135 Posted by Tessellation (8908 posts) -

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

So I understand the warning system and the "no insulting other people" rules, but please don't tell me we're reverting all the way back to the very old ToU where you get moderated for so much as sneezing...

And the layout is horrible, I don't mind the change, but why make it plain and dull like GB? And don't even get me started on the sigs...

CaseyWegner

not quite. you can get moderated for flaming but not for trolling...as long as it's not stupid trolling. trolling was by far the most common moderation under the very old tou.

havent you seen some posts? the 3 strikes rules is official up and running,yet people keeps doing it and moderations not taking care of.
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#136 Posted by NameIess_One (1077 posts) -

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Perhaps this will bring back the decent discussion that we saw years ago where people actually had to make an effort to troll.foxhound_fox
The "Golden Age" is a myth pervaded by the nostalgic. The posting in System Wars has never been "good". There are gems hidden amongst the sea of filth, but we still have it, you just obviously aren't looking hard enough.

Now, I've been actively posting here for "only" a year and a half, so I can't comment on this with total certainty, but that's the exact same impression I'm getting. i mean, how good can a posting quality be in a place dedicated to pitting video game consoles against each other, which is a very trivial matter in the larger scheme of things?

In a place called System Wars, I believe this lenient ToU we had until now established a natural order of things, users having to fend for themselves, with mods stepping in only when things got really ugly. That worked perfectly for me, also, even the board description states this place isn't for everyone, and expects you to grow a thicker skin in order to have fun:

"Not many people survive System Wars. The mightiest system warriors back up their arguments with facts."

And, I fully agree how there's still plenty of "gems" to be found here, hell, of the top of my head, I believe I could list at least 15 regulars whose contributions I enjoy a lot. And since SW is a pretty small community, that's a very good number.

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#137 Posted by PsychoLemons (2994 posts) -

Oh boy...

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#138 Posted by CaseyWegner (70104 posts) -

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

So I understand the warning system and the "no insulting other people" rules, but please don't tell me we're reverting all the way back to the very old ToU where you get moderated for so much as sneezing...

And the layout is horrible, I don't mind the change, but why make it plain and dull like GB? And don't even get me started on the sigs...

Tessellation

not quite. you can get moderated for flaming but not for trolling...as long as it's not stupid trolling. trolling was by far the most common moderation under the very old tou.

havent you seen some posts? the 3 strikes rules is official up and running,yet people keeps doing it and moderations not taking care of.

transition phase, i suppose.

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#139 Posted by Jonwh18 (9350 posts) -

[QUOTE="XVision84"]

So I understand the warning system and the "no insulting other people" rules, but please don't tell me we're reverting all the way back to the very old ToU where you get moderated for so much as sneezing...

And the layout is horrible, I don't mind the change, but why make it plain and dull like GB? And don't even get me started on the sigs...

CaseyWegner

not quite. you can get moderated for flaming but not for trolling...as long as it's not stupid trolling. trolling was by far the most common moderation under the very old tou.

how do you define flaming?

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#140 Posted by zassimick (9776 posts) -

Interesting that this change has been placed into effect so quickly. It should be fine though; isn't too hard to follow the rules and have some courtesy toward others. 

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#141 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (44442 posts) -
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]There is a lot of entitlements in the public arena; but that's a discussion that's reserved for off-topic. GS has decided that enough is enough and that it will no longer tolerate jerks. I think that's pretty fair. foxhound_fox
Then they'll have to ban over half the community.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm sure a lot of folks will wise up after their 7-day suspension.
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#142 Posted by blackace (23268 posts) -

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]Whatever it is, it can't be worse than the site's new designcharizard1605

Yeah, I still can't make comments in the New Section or in Reviews. :roll:

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#143 Posted by Animal-Mother (27341 posts) -

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]There is a lot of entitlements in the public arena; but that's a discussion that's reserved for off-topic. GS has decided that enough is enough and that it will no longer tolerate jerks. I think that's pretty fair. Stevo_the_gamer
Then they'll have to ban over half the community.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm sure a lot of folks will wise up after their 7-day suspension.

See but that shouldn't be a necessary comment. Why do we have to feel as if the chains have been loosened and re-tightened. I'm not gonna sit here and say what a corporation can and can't do with their website. But overall beauties in the eye of the beholder. What may seem flamish or wrong to you may not seem that way to hazy or other mods. It can easily becomes a war of mods just taking care of people they don't like at the end of the day.

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#144 Posted by The_Power_of_X (563 posts) -

Come on guys, is it that hard not to insult obvious trolls/idiots? This new change seems ok, not necessary but not the worst thing that could happen. 

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#145 Posted by Lumpy311 (2009 posts) -

So, this will be a ghost town in a bit.

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#146 Posted by CaseyWegner (70104 posts) -

So, this will be a ghost town in a bit.

Lumpy311

it wasn't a ghost town when the rules were stricter.

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#147 Posted by charizard1605 (77529 posts) -

[QUOTE="Lumpy311"]

So, this will be a ghost town in a bit.

CaseyWegner

it wasn't a ghost town when the rules were stricter.

The rules were never stricter. Nor were they ever as ambiguous.
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#148 Posted by heretrix (37738 posts) -

This code of conduct is very vague. 

sherman-tank1

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#149 Posted by CaseyWegner (70104 posts) -

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="Lumpy311"]

So, this will be a ghost town in a bit.

charizard1605

it wasn't a ghost town when the rules were stricter.

The rules were never stricter. Nor were they ever as ambiguous.

trolling is allowed now. calling somebody a troll is allowed now. posting an opinion without fully backing it up is allowed now. how are the new rules stricter?

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#150 Posted by charizard1605 (77529 posts) -

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

it wasn't a ghost town when the rules were stricter.

CaseyWegner

The rules were never stricter. Nor were they ever as ambiguous.

trolling is allowed now. calling somebody a troll is allowed now. posting an opinion without fully backing it up is allowed now. how are the new rules stricter?

a) They're ambiguous enough to allow 'moderator discretion' for just about anything. Flaming is not allowed. I can't call someone an idiot if they are being an idiot. And any ambiguity in my posts might mean that a mod who is having a bad say sees it fit to give me a moderation b) The new rules come with stricter punishments. By a lot. Even the old ToU wasn't this bad. In this case, not only do you have an uncompromising three strike system, but you've also coupled it with the vaguest ruleset of all time. Don't bother responding, incidentally. You're not going to convince me, especially since I feel all your responses sound like PR mouthspeak at best. If and when you are ready to understand that the punishments for rules are also a part of said rules, then we can have a reasonable discussion, but as long as you continue to make an arbitrary distinction between 'new rules' and 'new punishments,' we're not getting any where.