I'm confused, which console ended up last in sales? X360 or PS3?

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#251 Posted by Heil68 (43244 posts) -
[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Yea cows are taking last place same as usual, a hilarious combination of butthurt, anger and complete disregard of the truth.

last place same as usual? The first two consoles consoles were first and actually crushed the other consoles in sales.

obviously meaning this gen :|

On the wiiU is out this gen, how is that possible?
#252 Posted by blue_hazy_basic (27326 posts) -

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]last place same as usual? The first two consoles consoles were first and actually crushed the other consoles in sales.Heil68
obviously meaning this gen :|

On the wiiU is out this gen, how is that possible?

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#253 Posted by brennanhuff (990 posts) -

PS3. Cows are ignoring over a month of Xbox 360 sales prior to Sony's announcement. Also, the PS3 numbers include PS2 sales. For the cows in denial, look at their financial statements.

#254 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -

PS3. Cows are ignoring over a month of Xbox 360 sales prior to Sony's announcement. Also, the PS3 numbers include PS2 sales. For the cows in denial, look at their financial statements.

brennanhuff
Lems are also ignoring half a month of PS3 shipped numbers. Sales =/= shipped numbers. And since the PS3 sells more worldwide it can be that it ships more in less time than the 360. So we need only official numbers the rest is sepculation. And according to official number they're tied.
#255 Posted by delta3074 (17797 posts) -
[QUOTE="brennanhuff"]

PS3. Cows are ignoring over a month of Xbox 360 sales prior to Sony's announcement. Also, the PS3 numbers include PS2 sales. For the cows in denial, look at their financial statements.

kuraimen
Lems are also ignoring half a month of PS3 shipped numbers. Sales =/= shipped numbers. And since the PS3 sells more worldwide it can be that it ships more in less time than the 360. So we need only official numbers the rest is sepculation. And according to official number they're tied.

actually the 360 would probably have shipped more ready for the release of Halo 4 and Black ops 2, both have Special edition SKU's which would have shipped a couple of weeks before they released, MS always channel stuffs during the Holiday period as well, if we where talking any other time of the year then i would be inclined to agree But it's the holiday season and MS always pushes agreesively this time of Year where as SONY tends to spread it out over the year, I wish MS would take a leaf out of there book, MS release all there exclusives for the year in the same time period, it sucks big time.
#256 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="brennanhuff"]

PS3. Cows are ignoring over a month of Xbox 360 sales prior to Sony's announcement. Also, the PS3 numbers include PS2 sales. For the cows in denial, look at their financial statements.

delta3074
Lems are also ignoring half a month of PS3 shipped numbers. Sales =/= shipped numbers. And since the PS3 sells more worldwide it can be that it ships more in less time than the 360. So we need only official numbers the rest is sepculation. And according to official number they're tied.

actually the 360 would probably have shipped more ready for the release of Halo 4 and Black ops 2, both have Special edition SKU's which would have shipped a couple of weeks before they released, MS always channel stuffs during the Holiday period as well, if we where talking any other time of the year then i would be inclined to agree But it's the holiday season and MS always pushes agreesively this time of Year where as SONY tends to spread it out over the year, I wish MS would take a leaf out of there book, MS release all there exclusives for the year in the same time period, it sucks big time.

But then again that's speculation. You're basing your idea on NPD numbers but those barely reflect what happens in the rest of the world. That's why relying on official numbers is the only logical thing.
#257 Posted by delta3074 (17797 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Lems are also ignoring half a month of PS3 shipped numbers. Sales =/= shipped numbers. And since the PS3 sells more worldwide it can be that it ships more in less time than the 360. So we need only official numbers the rest is sepculation. And according to official number they're tied.

actually the 360 would probably have shipped more ready for the release of Halo 4 and Black ops 2, both have Special edition SKU's which would have shipped a couple of weeks before they released, MS always channel stuffs during the Holiday period as well, if we where talking any other time of the year then i would be inclined to agree But it's the holiday season and MS always pushes agreesively this time of Year where as SONY tends to spread it out over the year, I wish MS would take a leaf out of there book, MS release all there exclusives for the year in the same time period, it sucks big time.

But then again that's speculation. You're basing your idea on NPD numbers but those barely reflect what happens in the rest of the world. That's why relying on official numbers is the only logical thing.

it's not really speculation, everyone knows that the 360 sells more during the holiday period than it does the rest of the year, the Ps3 would have won in sales last year if it wasn't for the holiday period and wel all know MS is guilty of channel stuffing from Black Friday all the way to christmas, not that it metters to me, the way i see it they are tied at 70 million each at the moment, like you i will go with the official numbers.
#258 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="delta3074"]actually the 360 would probably have shipped more ready for the release of Halo 4 and Black ops 2, both have Special edition SKU's which would have shipped a couple of weeks before they released, MS always channel stuffs during the Holiday period as well, if we where talking any other time of the year then i would be inclined to agree But it's the holiday season and MS always pushes agreesively this time of Year where as SONY tends to spread it out over the year, I wish MS would take a leaf out of there book, MS release all there exclusives for the year in the same time period, it sucks big time.delta3074
But then again that's speculation. You're basing your idea on NPD numbers but those barely reflect what happens in the rest of the world. That's why relying on official numbers is the only logical thing.

it's not really speculation, everyone knows that the 360 sells more during the holiday period than it does the rest of the year, the Ps3 would have won in sales last year if it wasn't for the holiday period and wel all know MS is guilty of channel stuffing from Black Friday all the way to christmas, not that it metters to me, the way i see it they are tied at 70 million each at the moment, like you i will go with the official numbers.

Unless there's proof it's pure speculation. That the 360 sells more in the holiday is evident in NA but not in the rest of the world since we don't have those numbers...
#259 Posted by delta3074 (17797 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] But then again that's speculation. You're basing your idea on NPD numbers but those barely reflect what happens in the rest of the world. That's why relying on official numbers is the only logical thing.

it's not really speculation, everyone knows that the 360 sells more during the holiday period than it does the rest of the year, the Ps3 would have won in sales last year if it wasn't for the holiday period and wel all know MS is guilty of channel stuffing from Black Friday all the way to christmas, not that it metters to me, the way i see it they are tied at 70 million each at the moment, like you i will go with the official numbers.

Unless there's proof it's pure speculation. That the 360 sells more in the holiday is evident in NA but not in the rest of the world since we don't have those numbers...

Halo 4 SKu's filled all of there preorders and i saw about 20 people walk out with one at the midnight sale, Not sure about the BLOPS 2 SKU's, i didn't go to the midnight launch for that, Hell, one guy even walked out with a gears 3 SKU that night, not sure what he was thinking personally,But yeah, i know quite a few people that will be buying a360 this year for christmas,even i will bwe buying a new 4GB kinect because the kids have been nagging me all year over Kinect Star wars,Kinect has been a huge hit with the young uns, i do know a few people who plan on purchasing a Ps3 but not the new Slim version, i get the feeling people prefer the older slim model, probably cos it's cheaper.
#260 Posted by CanYouDiglt (7292 posts) -

Like I said before this gen is ending in the perfect scenario. All consoles have sold a lot and there is no huge loser but the PS3 is last so Sony fanboys will be crushed and heartbroken. So consoles do great and Sony fanboys do bad and you can not get any better then that.

#261 Posted by SonySoldier-_- (713 posts) -

I understand the Wii U is launching, but this generation is not over yet. If anything, you will simply have two generations overlapping each other until the PS4 and Xbox 720 arrive. During the mid 90's the fourth generation did not suddenly end because of the Saturn and Playstation 1. Nintendo and Sega still fought over market share for the 16-bit market, and both systems remained strong sellers until late 1996/early 1997. But during that time, yo had two generations overlapping. The Fourth Generation that had systems like the SNES and Genesis and the Fifth Generation that has the PS1 and Saturn. The Fifth Generation did not really take off until a few years after those systems debuted.

It's not over between the Xbox 360 and PS3 until both systems finally leave the market. Even after the PS4 and Xbox 720, if those two systems are still fighting it out, then the seventh generation is not over.

caryslan2

Truer words have never been spoken.

#262 Posted by Phazevariance (10932 posts) -

PS3. Cows are ignoring over a month of Xbox 360 sales prior to Sony's announcement. Also, the PS3 numbers include PS2 sales. For the cows in denial, look at their financial statements.

brennanhuff
Ya ps3 came last place and cows try to spin it.
#263 Posted by Eddie-Vedder (7776 posts) -

The 360 came in last. The report that includes the PS2 says 70.2 or 70.6 Million.

The PS3 one says OVER 70Million.

The 360 got owned, SW has never seen such a grand ownage, DAYS from the Wii U launch, beating lems at their own game.

TLHBFR :lol:

#264 Posted by lundy86_4 (42867 posts) -

The 360 came in last. The report that includes the PS2 says 70.2 or 70.6 Million.

The PS3 one says OVER 70Million.

The 360 got owned, SW has never seen such a grand ownage, DAYS from the Wii U launch, beating lems at their own game.

TLHBFR :lol:

Eddie-Vedder

Please, God, link the 70.6 and "OVER 70million"... I'll wait.

#265 Posted by PinnacleGamingP (5208 posts) -
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"]

The 360 came in last. The report that includes the PS2 says 70.2 or 70.6 Million.

The PS3 one says OVER 70Million.

The 360 got owned, SW has never seen such a grand ownage, DAYS from the Wii U launch, beating lems at their own game.

TLHBFR :lol:

Please, God, link the 70.6 and "OVER 70million"... I'll wait.

lol pretty sure by that time, the PS3 lead will be even bigger :lol: you made a lundy...
#266 Posted by lundy86_4 (42867 posts) -

lol pretty sure by that time, the PS3 lead will be even bigger :lol: you made a lundy...PinnacleGamingP

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#267 Posted by lx_theo (6211 posts) -

Neither

Gen isn't over.

#268 Posted by PinnacleGamingP (5208 posts) -

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]lol pretty sure by that time, the PS3 lead will be even bigger :lol: you made a lundy...lundy86_4

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pretty sure posting under lundy doesnt make your alt stevo_the_gyamer seem like hes actually busy right now
#269 Posted by lundy86_4 (42867 posts) -

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]lol pretty sure by that time, the PS3 lead will be even bigger :lol: you made a lundy...PinnacleGamingP

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pretty sure posting under lundy doesnt make your alt stevo_the_gyamer seem like hes actually busy right now

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Oh, sh*t. That's embarassing.

#270 Posted by PinnacleGamingP (5208 posts) -
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

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pretty sure posting under lundy doesnt make your alt stevo_the_gyamer seem like hes actually busy right now

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Oh, sh*t. That's embarassing.

:lol: you got me
#271 Posted by lundy86_4 (42867 posts) -

:lol: you got mePinnacleGamingP

Hold your breath... Keep going...

#272 Posted by PinnacleGamingP (5208 posts) -

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]:lol: you got melundy86_4

Hold your breath... Keep going...

cmon guys, :lol: common sense ahahahahaha cmon guys his english sucks lmao hold your breath. LOL
#273 Posted by lundy86_4 (42867 posts) -

cmon guys, :lol: common sense ahahahahaha cmon guys his english sucks lmao hold your breath. LOLPinnacleGamingP

Man, I wish I could meet you face to face to see if you talk like this:

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#274 Posted by superclocked (5823 posts) -

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]cmon guys, :lol: common sense ahahahahaha cmon guys his english sucks lmao hold your breath. LOLlundy86_4

Man, I wish I could meet you face to face to see if you talk like this:

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Is it wrong that I laughed at the picture?
#275 Posted by lundy86_4 (42867 posts) -

Is it wrong that I laughed at the picture?superclocked

Yes and no. Yes, because pinnacle is a complete idiot, and no because of obvious reasons...

#276 Posted by PinnacleGamingP (5208 posts) -

[QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]cmon guys, :lol: common sense ahahahahaha cmon guys his english sucks lmao hold your breath. LOLlundy86_4

Man, I wish I could meet you face to face to see if you talk like this:

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stupid mutherfcker. im out. Dont hold your breath, Professor.
#277 Posted by lundy86_4 (42867 posts) -

stupid mutherfcker. im out. Dont hold your breath, Professor.PinnacleGamingP

"mutherfcker"

Oh God, what? Do you mean "motherf*cker"? The asterisk is a "u", by the way.

#278 Posted by rjdofu (9170 posts) -
Good lord, how many threads should there be until people satisfy?
#279 Posted by John_Read (1191 posts) -
[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]lemmings: "360 has 12 million lead" "360 has 10 million lead" "360 has 8 million lead!!!" "360 has 2 million lead LOL" "360 numbers are a week old!!!!" they sure are lemmings, except its Weak* :lol:

bit like your intelligence, Weak, why do you even bother? you never have anything useful to add to a discussion, you just run around spouting useless, baseless comments all day, 360 and Ps3 are tied in sales, deal with it.

360 was released a yr ago before PS3 and yet they are tied deal with it
#280 Posted by delta3074 (17797 posts) -
[QUOTE="John_Read"][QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="PinnacleGamingP"]lemmings: "360 has 12 million lead" "360 has 10 million lead" "360 has 8 million lead!!!" "360 has 2 million lead LOL" "360 numbers are a week old!!!!" they sure are lemmings, except its Weak* :lol:

bit like your intelligence, Weak, why do you even bother? you never have anything useful to add to a discussion, you just run around spouting useless, baseless comments all day, 360 and Ps3 are tied in sales, deal with it.

360 was released a yr ago before PS3 and yet they are tied deal with it

i know they are tied, i am the one that started the thread saying they where tied, Numpty, doesn't change the Fact that Penilegaming spouts nonsense.
#281 Posted by RoOodriGowW (3309 posts) -

Well let me think , the 360 had a head start of one year against a system with no games and a price tag of 600$ , and now we're discussing thousands of units , yeah pretty sure the 360 is last.Not that it matters , both are great consoles.

#282 Posted by The_Game21x (26342 posts) -

Well let me think , the 360 had a head start of one year against a system with no games and a price tag of 600$ , and now we're discussing thousands of units , yeah pretty sure the 360 is last.Not that it matters , both are great consoles.

RoOodriGowW

Last is last, no matter how you try to spin it.

And the 360 is not last. :)

#283 Posted by PressXtoJump (1493 posts) -
if 360 didnt RROD this gen, xbox1 woulda sold more still
#284 Posted by superclocked (5823 posts) -
if 360 didnt RROD this gen, xbox1 woulda sold more stillPressXtoJump
Nah, the broken 360's got replaced for free, and those numbers didn't get added to the sales figures. Users who got the YLOD on the other hand had to buy a new PS3...
#285 Posted by clone01 (24391 posts) -

Don't know, nor do I care.

#286 Posted by PressXtoJump (1493 posts) -
[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"]if 360 didnt RROD this gen, xbox1 woulda sold more stillsuperclocked
Nah, the broken 360's got replaced for free, and those numbers didn't get added to the sales figures. Users who got the YLOD on the other hand had to buy a new PS3...

proof the numbers didnt get added for replacement units?
#287 Posted by superclocked (5823 posts) -
[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="PressXtoJump"]if 360 didnt RROD this gen, xbox1 woulda sold more stillPressXtoJump
Nah, the broken 360's got replaced for free, and those numbers didn't get added to the sales figures. Users who got the YLOD on the other hand had to buy a new PS3...

proof the numbers didnt get added for replacement units?

It's against the law.. lol...
#288 Posted by PressXtoJump (1493 posts) -
[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"][QUOTE="superclocked"]Nah, the broken 360's got replaced for free, and those numbers didn't get added to the sales figures. Users who got the YLOD on the other hand had to buy a new PS3...superclocked
proof the numbers didnt get added for replacement units?

It's against the law.. lol...

proof microsoft will never get booked as a scandalous company? so stop talking outta your a$$
#289 Posted by clone01 (24391 posts) -
[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"] so stop talking outta your a$$

Oh, the irony.
#290 Posted by PressXtoJump (1493 posts) -
[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"] so stop talking outta your a$$ clone01
Oh, the irony.

if you were a legit poster, you wouldnt need to edit my post. strong tho, the nothing you bring to this site.
#291 Posted by Heil68 (43244 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] obviously meaning this gen :|blue_hazy_basic

On the wiiU is out this gen, how is that possible?

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hahahahaha
#292 Posted by clone01 (24391 posts) -
[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="PressXtoJump"] so stop talking outta your a$$ PressXtoJump
Oh, the irony.

if you were a legit poster, you wouldnt need to edit my post. strong tho, the nothing you bring to this site.

"the nothing you bring to this site." WTF does that even mean. And I didn't edit your post at all. Just took the second part of it. You're a fanboy troll who talks out of his a** all the time. Hence the irony. I'm sure even an idiot like yourself can understand the reference.
#293 Posted by hoosier7 (3776 posts) -
[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"]if 360 didnt RROD this gen, xbox1 woulda sold more stillsuperclocked
Nah, the broken 360's got replaced for free, and those numbers didn't get added to the sales figures. Users who got the YLOD on the other hand had to buy a new PS3...

At the start of the gen the 360 only came with a 1 year warranty not the 3 years they now have to supply, there were plenty of re-sales because of those consoles breaking.
#294 Posted by PressXtoJump (1493 posts) -
[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"][QUOTE="clone01"] Oh, the irony.clone01
if you were a legit poster, you wouldnt need to edit my post. strong tho, the nothing you bring to this site.

"the nothing you bring to this site." WTF does that even mean. And I didn't edit your post at all. Just took the second part of it. You're a fanboy troll who talks out of his a** all the time. Hence the irony. I'm sure even an idiot like yourself can understand the reference.

im kidding clone, relax :D
#295 Posted by -ArchAngeL-777- (3786 posts) -

[QUOTE="RoOodriGowW"]

Well let me think , the 360 had a head start of one year against a system with no games and a price tag of 600$ , and now we're discussing thousands of units , yeah pretty sure the 360 is last.Not that it matters , both are great consoles.

The_Game21x

Last is last, no matter how you try to spin it.

And the 360 is not last. :)

There's no spin. The 360 had an extra year on the market and finds itself basically tied with PS3 right now. Give PS3 an extra year on the back end and see what happens...360 gets left in the dust.

Its basically a draw right now, but you have to realize that PS3 has outsold 360 during its lifetime despite all its launch issues.

#296 Posted by StormyJoe (4752 posts) -

[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="PressXtoJump"] proof the numbers didnt get added for replacement units?PressXtoJump
It's against the law.. lol...

proof microsoft will never get booked as a scandalous company? so stop talking outta your a$$

Because in their 10-K report to shareholders where they wrote off the money for the replacements, they noted the replacement consoles were not included in their 360 sales figures. Who's talking out of their a$$ now?

#297 Posted by StormyJoe (4752 posts) -

[QUOTE="superclocked"][QUOTE="PressXtoJump"]if 360 didnt RROD this gen, xbox1 woulda sold more stillhoosier7
Nah, the broken 360's got replaced for free, and those numbers didn't get added to the sales figures. Users who got the YLOD on the other hand had to buy a new PS3...

At the start of the gen the 360 only came with a 1 year warranty not the 3 years they now have to supply, there were plenty of re-sales because of those consoles breaking.

FIrst off, they extended the warranty for RRoD issues. Second, your argument doesn't hold up with the numbers.

In 2010, the 360 reached 50 million. If 57% of 360s were replaced, that actual user base would be somewhere in the neighbor hood of 23 million. However, there were 30 million 360 XBL gold members, so it is impossible.

So then, lets assumer 20% were re-buys. That would mean there would have been 40 million 360s out there. There are two issues with this scenario - 1) MS has always stated that XBL gold susbscriptions account for 60% of 360 owners. Math doesn't add up there. Even if you say "they are lying to cover that up," CoD black ops sold almost 14 million. So then, Black Ops would have had a staggering 35% attachment rate with 360 owners. That is well and above what the PS3 and Wii were able to achieve. Again, highly improbable since not even a Halo game got those numbers.

Where does that leave us? Rebuys of broken 360s represent a small number.

Nice try, though.

#298 Posted by The_Game21x (26342 posts) -

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="RoOodriGowW"]

Well let me think , the 360 had a head start of one year against a system with no games and a price tag of 600$ , and now we're discussing thousands of units , yeah pretty sure the 360 is last.Not that it matters , both are great consoles.

-ArchAngeL-777-

Last is last, no matter how you try to spin it.

And the 360 is not last. :)

There's no spin. The 360 had an extra year on the market and finds itself basically tied with PS3 right now. Give PS3 an extra year on the back end and see what happens...360 gets left in the dust.

Its basically a draw right now, but you have to realize that PS3 has outsold 360 during its lifetime despite all its launch issues.

Nice assumption.

No one can say what would've happened if the PS3 and 360 had launched at the same time. You can speculate all you like with the other Cows trying to pull victory out of this "tie" but the fact of the matter is, the 360 is not last. The PS3 tied numbers released by Microsoft about a month and a half ago and unless you think the 360 has shipped zero units in that time frame, there's no way of saying the PS3 is ahead.

#299 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="RoOodriGowW"]

Well let me think , the 360 had a head start of one year against a system with no games and a price tag of 600$ , and now we're discussing thousands of units , yeah pretty sure the 360 is last.Not that it matters , both are great consoles.

-ArchAngeL-777-

Last is last, no matter how you try to spin it.

And the 360 is not last. :)

There's no spin. The 360 had an extra year on the market and finds itself basically tied with PS3 right now. Give PS3 an extra year on the back end and see what happens...360 gets left in the dust.

Its basically a draw right now, but you have to realize that PS3 has outsold 360 during its lifetime despite all its launch issues.

Exactly. But lems have a tendency to live in denial.
#300 Posted by godzillavskong (7891 posts) -
[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

Think they ended up about tied in games and about tied in sales, with the 360 having the slimest of leads. Cows and lems need to accept that after all their whining and squabbling this gen theres no difference between, they are both losers :P

superclocked
Yeah, the real winners are the gamers that don't limit themselves to a single platform for stupid political or, even worse, SW reasoning. Every platform is equally fun in it's own way IMO. The Wii did get boring the fastest, but it still has some nice exclusive games that made it a worthwhile purchase...

Exactly.