Im actually surprised that Arkham City is so loved

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#1 Posted by IcyFlamez96 (1355 posts) -

I just got the game from my friend (havent started it yet) and I played the demo before. I thought it was pretty cool and the combat was cool. But literally all it seemed I had to do was mash X the whole time and he'd do all these crazy combos. It doenst seem hard at all, like no skill involved lol. Honestly im fine with it though. Its fun to me but I thought people on here would hate such a easy combat system. Ok I always thought that it was just easy because well of course, I was playing the demo so maybe just the demo level was easy, but I'd ask my friends "All I had to do in the demo was keep pressing X and he'd combo for days. Does it get anu harder or was that just easy because it was the demo level?" And they will usually just say "Nope thats pretty much the way it is the whole time." I was kind of hoping for somewhat of a challenge at least but oh well, maybe they're wrong.

EDIT:

Im not hating on the game at all. I said I liked the combat system from the demo. Im sure I'd love it after playing the full game. Im just saying, im surprised its so praised. Im not picky at all. I love many games. I love many games that people generally hate. Actually im so not picky that ive been told that I have bad taste because of me liking certain games :/

#2 Posted by GreenGoblin2099 (16988 posts) -

Beat the game, then come back and tell us what's not to like.

#3 Posted by parkurtommo (27586 posts) -

DON'T MATTER IF IT COOL IT BADASS

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#4 Posted by crimsonman1245 (4253 posts) -

You have to play it for more than 5 minutes lol.

#5 Posted by nethernova (4220 posts) -

And they will usually just say "Nope thats pretty much the way it is the whole time."

IcyFlamez96
Yeah, no. Once the enemies are armored and have weapons you won't get far by just pressing X. It doesn't get much more complicated but you should press more than one button.
#6 Posted by IcyFlamez96 (1355 posts) -

You have to play it for more than 5 minutes lol.

crimsonman1245
Noooo nooo nooo you guys are completely missing the point. I LIKED it. Im just saying with a combat system as easy as that Im just surprised its so heavily praised around here. And I played it for 15 minutes :P
#7 Posted by IcyFlamez96 (1355 posts) -
[QUOTE="IcyFlamez96"]

And they will usually just say "Nope thats pretty much the way it is the whole time."

nethernova
Yeah, no. Once the enemies are armored and have weapons you won't get far by just pressing X. It doesn't get much more complicated but you should press more than one button.

Well yeah I was kind of exaggerating that. I know not only X will get you through the whole game lol.
#8 Posted by parkurtommo (27586 posts) -
[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

You have to play it for more than 5 minutes lol.

IcyFlamez96
Noooo nooo nooo you guys are completely missing the point. I LIKED it. Im just saying with a combat system as easy as that Im just surprised its so heavily praised around here. And I played it for 15 minutes :P

Doood, later on there are several different types of enemies that require you to pay attention, hence the challenge mode. Wouldn't be much of a challenge mode if there were no challenge.
#9 Posted by crimsonman1245 (4253 posts) -

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

You have to play it for more than 5 minutes lol.

IcyFlamez96

Noooo nooo nooo you guys are completely missing the point. I LIKED it. Im just saying with a combat system as easy as that Im just surprised its so heavily praised around here. And I played it for 15 minutes :P

The enemies get much tougher, they get nightsticks, knives, shields, electric rods, armor, and they throw lots of them at you at once and they all have different combos you need to perform to take on each weapon. It gets much more difficult.

#10 Posted by SaltyMeatballs (25158 posts) -

It's Batman, that is all people care about.

#11 Posted by Kinthalis (5339 posts) -

I played both games on PC.

First, they look AMAZING. The Physx effects add a ton fo ambiance to the whole thing. The combat specifically is incredibly fluid and fun! And yes, it's fairly easy early on, but it'll get harder. You'll find you'll need to mix things up against foes armed with cutting weapons, foes that can throw things at you, foes with riot shields, foes with electric batons, foes with guns, they all provide you with different types of difficulties. And that's just the tip of the iceberg, later even more variety opens up as the storyline develops.

Combos also play a part and you'll need decent timing over various buttons/joystick movements to pull them off well.

I'd definitely suggest you start with Arkham Asylum though, and from there go to Arkham City. Both are excellent games and the storylines tie in together nicely.

#12 Posted by IcyFlamez96 (1355 posts) -

I played both games on PC.

First, they look AMAZING. The Physx effects add a ton fo ambiance to the whole thing. The combat specifically is incredibly fluid and fun! And yes, it's faiurly easy early on, but it'll get harded. You'll find you'll need to mix things up against foes armed with cutting weapons, foes that can throw things at you, foes with riot shields, foes with electric batons, foes with guns, they all provide you with different types of difficulties. And that's just the tip of the iceberg, later even more variety opens up as the storyline develops.

I'd definitely suggest you start with Arkham Sylum though, and from there go to Arkham City. Both are excellent games and the storylines tie in together nicely.

Kinthalis
Well I already have City so.......
#13 Posted by Kinthalis (5339 posts) -

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

I played both games on PC.

First, they look AMAZING. The Physx effects add a ton fo ambiance to the whole thing. The combat specifically is incredibly fluid and fun! And yes, it's faiurly easy early on, but it'll get harded. You'll find you'll need to mix things up against foes armed with cutting weapons, foes that can throw things at you, foes with riot shields, foes with electric batons, foes with guns, they all provide you with different types of difficulties. And that's just the tip of the iceberg, later even more variety opens up as the storyline develops.

I'd definitely suggest you start with Arkham Sylum though, and from there go to Arkham City. Both are excellent games and the storylines tie in together nicely.

IcyFlamez96

Well I already have City so.......

I guess. It's not a necessity, but playing Arkham Asylum first I think is a better entry into the series. Still you might want to play ti later if not first, it's an awesome game as well.

#14 Posted by Selkc (203 posts) -

i feel people exageratted how big the city was

#15 Posted by parkurtommo (27586 posts) -

i feel people exageratted how big the city was

Selkc
No one exaggerated that, it was even mentioned in the GS video review for example, the city is quite small.
#16 Posted by Grawse (4342 posts) -
I'm not.
#17 Posted by TheEroica (14323 posts) -
If devs treated franchises half as serious and with an iota of care as rocksteady treats the batman ip the world would be a better place... that said, i enjoyed AA more than AC. The combat in AC felt a little more all over the place while AA felt more focused. Not a huge fan of these games being overly open world.
#18 Posted by Blabadon (28049 posts) -
All other aspects aside besides combat, it was amazing. It may be shallow but I never played Arkham Asylum so it was new to me. I set it on Hard right away and got my ass kicked several times on the first time. The game can be really difficult on Hard. It's fun though.
#19 Posted by Gue1 (11026 posts) -

you're not alone. I played the game and my mind was blown when such crappy game won so many GOTYs and got so much praise from the media. I haven't played Arkham City though but I have no interest in playing it either.

#20 Posted by silversix_ (15597 posts) -
Don't like it one bit because comics and anything related to it is aimed at 8 year olds. 'Bat'man LOL
#21 Posted by Thefatness16 (4672 posts) -

Yeah the combat is really easy and sorta shallow, but I guess that's the point. It's trying to make you feel like Batman by taking out tons of enemies without much effort. Beyond that the game is great though.

#22 Posted by GreenGoblin2099 (16988 posts) -

Don't like it one bit because comics and anything related to it is aimed at 8 year olds. 'Bat'man LOLsilversix_

*looks at sig with chibi DS bosses*

Oooooooooooook...

#23 Posted by Kinthalis (5339 posts) -

Don't like it one bit because comics and anything related to it is aimed at 8 year olds. 'Bat'man LOLsilversix_

Wow, the stereotypical ignorant gamer.

Seriously, the game is NOT at all geared towards 8 year old. It's fairly mature themes being explored by both. Is violence the solutiion to violence is a constant theme.

"Would the Joker even exist if it wasn't for you, Batman?" That line made me pause.

Seriously man, talk abotu don't judge a book by it's cover.

#24 Posted by HaloPimp978 (7329 posts) -

Not suprising to me at all

#25 Posted by parkurtommo (27586 posts) -

[QUOTE="silversix_"]Don't like it one bit because comics and anything related to it is aimed at 8 year olds. 'Bat'man LOLKinthalis

Wow, the stereotypical ignorant gamer.

Seriously, the game is NOT at all geared towards 8 year old. It's fairly mature themes being explored by both. Is violence the solutiion to violence is a constant theme.

"Would the Joker even exist if it wasn't for you, Batman?" That line made me pause.

Seriously man, talk abotu don't judge a book by it's cover.

Not to mention dat Catwoman and Poison Ivy. :oops:
#26 Posted by Avian005 (4112 posts) -

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="silversix_"]Don't like it one bit because comics and anything related to it is aimed at 8 year olds. 'Bat'man LOLparkurtommo

Wow, the stereotypical ignorant gamer.

Seriously, the game is NOT at all geared towards 8 year old. It's fairly mature themes being explored by both. Is violence the solutiion to violence is a constant theme.

"Would the Joker even exist if it wasn't for you, Batman?" That line made me pause.

Seriously man, talk abotu don't judge a book by it's cover.

Not to mention dat Catwoman and Poison Ivy. :oops:

And Harley Quinn. :D

#27 Posted by Phazevariance (11038 posts) -

I just got the game from my friend (havent started it yet) and I played the demo before. I thought it was pretty cool and the combat was cool. But literally all it seemed I had to do was mash X the whole time and he'd do all these crazy combos. It doenst seem hard at all, like no skill involved lol. Honestly im fine with it though. Its fun to me but I thought people on here would hate such a easy combat system. Ok I always thought that it was just easy because well of course, I was playing the demo so maybe just the demo level was easy, but I'd ask my friends "All I had to do in the demo was keep pressing X and he'd combo for days. Does it get anu harder or was that just easy because it was the demo level?" And they will usually just say "Nope thats pretty much the way it is the whole time." I was kind of hoping for somewhat of a challenge at least but oh well, maybe they're wrong.

IcyFlamez96
You have to press Y also to dodge incomign attacks, and since some enemies will have weapons you need to disarm them prior to attacking them. If its so easy, please do a 150 hit combo and post the video.
#28 Posted by jackfruitchips (1058 posts) -

you're not alone. I played the game and my mind was blown when such crappy game won so many GOTYs and got so much praise from the media. I haven't played Arkham City though but I have no interest in playing it either.

Gue1
I don't understand either. I'd heard so many good things about AA and AC so I bought them but I couldn't finish either of them. I dont like the combat, it's fluid but hand to hand combat is not deep and satisfying like Yakuza.
#29 Posted by IcyFlamez96 (1355 posts) -
[QUOTE="IcyFlamez96"]

I just got the game from my friend (havent started it yet) and I played the demo before. I thought it was pretty cool and the combat was cool. But literally all it seemed I had to do was mash X the whole time and he'd do all these crazy combos. It doenst seem hard at all, like no skill involved lol. Honestly im fine with it though. Its fun to me but I thought people on here would hate such a easy combat system. Ok I always thought that it was just easy because well of course, I was playing the demo so maybe just the demo level was easy, but I'd ask my friends "All I had to do in the demo was keep pressing X and he'd combo for days. Does it get anu harder or was that just easy because it was the demo level?" And they will usually just say "Nope thats pretty much the way it is the whole time." I was kind of hoping for somewhat of a challenge at least but oh well, maybe they're wrong.

Phazevariance
You have to press Y also to dodge incomign attacks, and since some enemies will have weapons you need to disarm them prior to attacking them. If its so easy, please do a 150 hit combo and post the video.

You sound a little butthurt :/ That was not my intention.
#30 Posted by 4dr1el (2380 posts) -

The Arkham games are pretty much overrated imho especially the combat... people talk about the combat as some grondbreaking thing (like as they say Sleeping Dogs takes Arkham combat) but I really dont know why is that. Its combat is simple, boring and pretty much automatic... Still good games cause of the stealth elements but nothing thats groundbreaking aswell. I'll never get how Arkham City has a 96 on meta or why no one seems to hate on these games

#31 Posted by ShadowsDemon (9469 posts) -
Maybe try actually playing it for a bit more or maybe finishing it first? Judging a game before you even start it properly...lol.
#32 Posted by YoshiYogurt (5987 posts) -

I played both games on PC.

First, they look AMAZING. The Physx effects add a ton fo ambiance to the whole thing. The combat specifically is incredibly fluid and fun! And yes, it's fairly easy early on, but it'll get harder. You'll find you'll need to mix things up against foes armed with cutting weapons, foes that can throw things at you, foes with riot shields, foes with electric batons, foes with guns, they all provide you with different types of difficulties. And that's just the tip of the iceberg, later even more variety opens up as the storyline develops.

Combos also play a part and you'll need decent timing over various buttons/joystick movements to pull them off well.

I'd definitely suggest you start with Arkham Asylum though, and from there go to Arkham City. Both are excellent games and the storylines tie in together nicely.

Kinthalis
PC is the way to go with this game. 3D + physx + already better graphics = a much better experience than on consoles.
#33 Posted by Solid_Link22 (5688 posts) -

I don't think you played the game right if all you did was button mash when fighting.

#34 Posted by IcyFlamez96 (1355 posts) -

I don't think you played the game right if all you did was button mash when fighting.

Solid_Link22
I played it right enough to get through the demo with ease. Of course thats only the demo though. And I was exaggerating. It seems like people are getting too defensive for some reason. The way people here explained the combat system made it sound exactly like Spiderman 2's (PS2) combat system which isnt deep at all really. Just simple and hecka easy. If thats so then there is nothing really special about the combat system. I know some people in this topic said the combat system the high point but Ive seen so many praises on the combat system and If its really how I think it is then it will just be pretty simple but really flashy. Im cool with that though Im sure it will be fun. I cant play it until the weekend though.
#35 Posted by Solid_Link22 (5688 posts) -

I don't think you played the game right if all you did was button mash when fighting.

#36 Posted by campzor (34932 posts) -
the combat is only 1 feature of the game... there are the cameos/story/characters/open world city/U'R BATMAN and its not as simple as mashing the buttons.. i have died a few times and then there are the boss fights which are not so simple and then enemies with guns which can mow you down quick
#37 Posted by n00bproof (674 posts) -

The combat is great, but its overrated for different reasons.

1) Reused sound effects/stupid pointless banter between NPCs repeating themselves over and over and over and over and over and o

2) The main storyline was extremely short, and all the sidequests were essentially advertisments for a future game. Almost every single side quest, with so much filler/backtracking/fluff, had either an anticlimactic (Bane) or unfinished (Hush) ending.

3) Boss battles were not much better than Arkham Asylum. Mr. Freeze was pretty cool, but...

Its a great game, great storyline, but I think the first game is better and functions better as a video game.

#38 Posted by Cheleman (7865 posts) -

I just hated the fact that you couldn't knock people off buildings:(

I wonder what drove them to do that...?

#39 Posted by Sushiglutton (5427 posts) -

I just hated the fact that you couldn't knock people off buildings:(

I wonder what drove them to do that...?

Cheleman
Batman doesn't kill
#40 Posted by Cheleman (7865 posts) -

[QUOTE="Cheleman"]

I just hated the fact that you couldn't knock people off buildings:(

I wonder what drove them to do that...?

Sushiglutton

Batman doesn't kill

i dont think putting invisible walls is the best way to send the message:P

#41 Posted by Sushiglutton (5427 posts) -

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="Cheleman"]

I just hated the fact that you couldn't knock people off buildings:(

I wonder what drove them to do that...?

Cheleman

Batman doesn't kill

i dont think putting invisible walls is the best way to send the message:P

Yeah it could have been solved more elegantly.
#42 Posted by mitu123 (154589 posts) -

I hope you know there's more to the game than it's combat system...

And play on hard so it'll remove indicators thus increasing the challenge.

#43 Posted by Sushiglutton (5427 posts) -
The variation is for the most part not forced. You can get by using a handful of moves. But then you'd be missing all the fun. It's when you build these huge combos, using a variety of moves/gadgets that the combat just clicks. It's very satisfying. But it is one of those games were you have to reach a certain skill level to fully enjoy.
#44 Posted by biggest_loser (24117 posts) -
Try versing several different enemy types at once.
#45 Posted by Swift_Boss_A (14579 posts) -

You need to put more time in the game because the combat though simple has a lot to offer as you play a long and especially when you try the riddler challenge rooms.

#46 Posted by Gue1 (11026 posts) -

I hope you know there's more to the game than it's combat system...

And play on hard so it'll remove indicators thus increasing the challenge.

mitu123

but it is a huge part of the game and it gets in the way. And reviewers couldn't stop talking about how awesome the combat is when it really isn't.

#47 Posted by Sushiglutton (5427 posts) -

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

I hope you know there's more to the game than it's combat system...

And play on hard so it'll remove indicators thus increasing the challenge.

Gue1

but it is a huge part of the game and it gets in the way. And reviewers couldn't stop talking about how awesome the combat is when it really isn't.

I think it is superb. And so does a lot of developers aparently as Assassin's Creed, Sleeping Dogs and the amazing spiderman all have tried to copy major parts of it. Imo it's the greatest gameplay achievement this gen :D!
#48 Posted by MirkoS77 (8027 posts) -
The combat's excellent but I can't be bothered to elaborate on why to someone who has admitted to only having played 15 minutes. People just assume because the combat is simplistic in execution it has no depth and is bad. The only ones that claim Batman has poor combat are those that have not put in the effort to become proficient at it.
#49 Posted by gameofthering (10432 posts) -

I hope you know there's more to the game than it's combat system...

And play on hard so it'll remove indicators thus increasing the challenge.

mitu123

You still have the indicators on hard (Which was disappointing)

Arkham City was amazing but far too easy for those of us who played Arkham Asylum 24/7. I never played on anything but hard on the first game.

#50 Posted by almasdeathchild (8922 posts) -

beat it before you judge

also if i remember correctly,you are a picky sob