If Bayonetta 2 even DOES get ported, I wouldn't expect SEGA to publish.

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#1 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26319 posts) -

Well, we're seeing Ninja Gaiden III: Razor's Edge (not that it was exclusive from the beginning) and Rayman Legends get ported from Wii U to PS3/360, and it's being predicted that Bayonetta 2 will follow suit, but even though it's a SEGA IP, I wouldn't expect them to even publish it for those consoles (unless if Nintendo managed to pull successful numbers, but considering the bad numbers of Eternal Darkness and Geist, that's VERY unlikely).

SEGA refused to publish the game at all (likely due to financial reasons because I believe they reported losses around the time the game was said to be cancelled) before Nintendo stepped in (and we all know the result of that), do you think they would change their minds for a possible PS3/360 port? They would more then likely have another publisher handle that.

Although I have been severely wrong before (just like recently over Rayman not getting ported), but judging by what happened, I have my doubts.

Your thoughts on this, SW?

#2 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8453 posts) -

Simply publishing the game requires a lot less financial commitment than funding and publishing it. There's little to lose but a lot to game in publishing(atlus and demons' souls for example).

 

Edit: forgot about porting costs so disregard my orginal post

#3 Posted by fernandmondego_ (3170 posts) -
Much bigger userbase that buys third party games and all they would have to do is pay for porting it. Why not?
#4 Posted by BrunoBRS (73260 posts) -
don't nintendo hold the publishing rights to the game, meaning that, for the game to get ported by another publisher to begin with, that publisher would have to strike a deal with nintendo, with the latter being fully aware that this deal would be essentially selling one of their system exclusives to another platform?
#5 Posted by DarkLink77 (31695 posts) -
don't nintendo hold the publishing rights to the game, meaning that, for the game to get ported by another publisher to begin with, that publisher would have to strike a deal with nintendo, with the latter being fully aware that this deal would be essentially selling one of their system exclusives to another platform?BrunoBRS
This was my understanding of it. Somehow, I don't think this one is moving.
#6 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26319 posts) -
[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]don't nintendo hold the publishing rights to the game, meaning that, for the game to get ported by another publisher to begin with, that publisher would have to strike a deal with nintendo, with the latter being fully aware that this deal would be essentially selling one of their system exclusives to another platform?DarkLink77
This was my understanding of it. Somehow, I don't think this one is moving.

Quite a few SW'ers don't think so after Ninja Gaiden and Rayman getting ported.
#7 Posted by Ghost120x (3751 posts) -
Wasn't ninja gaiden also published by Nintendo in NA? So why couldn't platinum games port it over? They do own the bayonetta ip, right?
#8 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8453 posts) -
Wasn't ninja gaiden also published by Nintendo in NA? So why couldn't platinum games port it over? They do own the bayonetta ip, right?Ghost120x
sega own the ip
#9 Posted by flashn00b (2908 posts) -

I think it'd have to rely on Kickstarter to provide them the money they need to self-publish it.

#10 Posted by DarkLink77 (31695 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]don't nintendo hold the publishing rights to the game, meaning that, for the game to get ported by another publisher to begin with, that publisher would have to strike a deal with nintendo, with the latter being fully aware that this deal would be essentially selling one of their system exclusives to another platform?nintendoboy16
This was my understanding of it. Somehow, I don't think this one is moving.

Quite a few SW'ers don't think so after Ninja Gaiden and Rayman getting ported.

Eh. Microsoft published the first two Ninja Gaiden games. Those got ported, so Ninja Gaiden 3 getting a port isn't a surprise. Ubisoft randomly decided to make a Wii-U exclusive, so that getting a port also isn't a surprise. This game would not exist if Nintendo hadn't stepped in. I don't think it's getting ported.
#11 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8453 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] This was my understanding of it. Somehow, I don't think this one is moving.

Quite a few SW'ers don't think so after Ninja Gaiden and Rayman getting ported.

Eh. Microsoft published the first two Ninja Gaiden games. Those got ported, so Ninja Gaiden 3 getting a port isn't a surprise. Ubisoft randomly decided to make a Wii-U exclusive, so that getting a port also isn't a surprise. This game would not exist if Nintendo hadn't stepped in. I don't think it's getting ported.

MS only published NG2..
#12 Posted by Thefatness16 (4672 posts) -

I don't ever expect Bayo 2 to go multipat. The only thing that I could see happening is, if Bayo 2 does really well, Sega would probably think of publishing future games. That is basically what I'm hoping happens.

#13 Posted by Ghost120x (3751 posts) -
Since Nintendo practically payed for everything, platinum games wouldn't want to ruin the positive relationship with Nintendo by stabbing them in the back.
#14 Posted by FlamesOfGrey (7509 posts) -
Nintendo are funding the game but Sega own the IP. It's an interesting situation like Mass Effect. Sega would have to buy Nintendo out of the deal or have had something in the contract (i.e. Time Limit) with the IP for it to get a port. People shouldn't expect it though this is Nintendo.
#15 Posted by Cherokee_Jack (32198 posts) -

Microsoft published the first two Ninja Gaiden games.DarkLink77

Only Ninja Gaiden II. 

I imagine the only reason Sigma 2 exists is because it's technically a different game from NG2. There was no reason for MS to allow the original game to be ported, since they paid for it. Same for Nintendo and Bayonetta 2, so MS, Sony, or a third party publisher will have to bankroll some sort of semi-remake to get the game on other platforms. With Sega's approval of course, which probably means MS or Sony are the only ones who could do it.

#16 Posted by DarkLink77 (31695 posts) -
[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Quite a few SW'ers don't think so after Ninja Gaiden and Rayman getting ported.

Eh. Microsoft published the first two Ninja Gaiden games. Those got ported, so Ninja Gaiden 3 getting a port isn't a surprise. Ubisoft randomly decided to make a Wii-U exclusive, so that getting a port also isn't a surprise. This game would not exist if Nintendo hadn't stepped in. I don't think it's getting ported.

MS only published NG2..

So the original getting a port is even less surprising, then.
#17 Posted by MFDOOM1983 (8453 posts) -

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Eh. Microsoft published the first two Ninja Gaiden games. Those got ported, so Ninja Gaiden 3 getting a port isn't a surprise. Ubisoft randomly decided to make a Wii-U exclusive, so that getting a port also isn't a surprise. This game would not exist if Nintendo hadn't stepped in. I don't think it's getting ported.DarkLink77
MS only published NG2..

So the original getting a port is even less surprising, then.

Not sure if I'm following:P

#18 Posted by DarkLink77 (31695 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]Microsoft published the first two Ninja Gaiden games.Cherokee_Jack

Only Ninja Gaiden II. 

I imagine the only reason Sigma 2 exists is because it's technically a different game from NG2. There was no reason for MS to allow the original game to be ported, since they paid for it. 

Probably true. Still, it's not surprising to see the game get ported, giving Tecmo's history of porting the Ninja Gaiden series to every platform it can. And given that it'll likely be an enhanced port, they will probably be able to get around the fact that Nintendo published it initially.
#19 Posted by timmy00 (15360 posts) -

It's not going to get ported. or at least any time soon.

#20 Posted by DarkLink77 (31695 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]MS only published NG2..MFDOOM1983

So the original getting a port is even less surprising, then.

Not sure if I'm following:P

If Microsoft only published II, it makes more sense that the original was ported. And of course the Sigma series is fairly different, so it also makes sense that II could be ported if it were significantly reworked and published as "Sigma II" and not "II."
#21 Posted by rjdofu (9170 posts) -
I know it's wishful thinking, but why the fvck not, dreams are free. Bayonetta 2 please goes multiplat, let my poor soul enjoy the game.
#22 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26319 posts) -
Much bigger userbase that buys third party games and all they would have to do is pay for porting it. Why not?fernandmondego_
As I said in the OP, SEGA would probably find another publisher SHOULD a PS/XBOX port come along UNLESS Nintendo handles it well.
#23 Posted by fernandmondego_ (3170 posts) -
[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]Much bigger userbase that buys third party games and all they would have to do is pay for porting it. Why not?nintendoboy16
As I said in the OP, SEGA would probably find another publisher SHOULD a PS/XBOX port come along UNLESS Nintendo handles it well.

If they wanted to port it, why would they need another publisher?
#24 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26319 posts) -
[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]Much bigger userbase that buys third party games and all they would have to do is pay for porting it. Why not?fernandmondego_
As I said in the OP, SEGA would probably find another publisher SHOULD a PS/XBOX port come along UNLESS Nintendo handles it well.

If they wanted to port it, why would they need another publisher?

Because, with it's rather high chance of bombing, SEGA still would be hesitant to even bother. There's a reason Nintendo stepped in after all.
#25 Posted by LustForSoul (5851 posts) -
Nintendo is the Publisher of Bayonetta 2. They want to gain more consumers for their Wii U by releasing this game exclusively. Rayman Legends was published by Ubisoft and they made a deal with nintendo. So it's a whole different situation. I'm also sure Bayonetta 2 makes full use of the Wii U Pad in some way, so a port wouldn't be that easy. I'm not ruling it out though, I'm expecting less than good sales since Bayonetta has barely any fanbase within Nintendo consumers.
#26 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
Nintendo, port a game they are publishing to another platform? :lol: That's rich.
#27 Posted by fernandmondego_ (3170 posts) -
[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] As I said in the OP, SEGA would probably find another publisher SHOULD a PS/XBOX port come along UNLESS Nintendo handles it well.

If they wanted to port it, why would they need another publisher?

Because, with it's rather high chance of bombing, SEGA still would be hesitant to even bother. There's a reason Nintendo stepped in after all.

Didn't the first one sell over a million? A port cost a fraction of the cost of developing a game, they don't even need Platinum to do the port.
#28 Posted by Nintendo_Ownes7 (30917 posts) -

Nintendo, port a game they are publishing to another platform? :lol: That's rich.Zeviander
Also Platinum Games mentioned that the port will have to be up to Nintendo.

Platinum "W101 and Bayonetta 2 will stay exclusive to the Wii U"

Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge is going multi-platform, and no one's all that bothered. Rayman Legends is going multi-platform, and that bit of news is met with slightly more perturbation. Whatever your opinion on any individual game spreading the love to other consoles, you're likely to be worried about the Wii U's inability to hold on to its exclusives.

Then you start thinking about PlatinumGames. What will happen to The Wonderful 101 and Bayonetta 2? Those are almost guaranteed to be the next two titles to seek greener pastures, right? Well, you can put those thoughts clear out of your mind because it's not going to happen. Not as long as Nintendo has any say.

Taking to Twitter to address the lingering concerns, Platinum's outspoken designer Hideki Kamiya said, "We're a development company... Nintendo gives us money, we make Bayonetta 2 and W101, and they sell it... so if Nintendo says, 'We're putting Bayonetta 2 on PS360,' it'll come out on those platforms... so ask Nintendo about it...." Unlike other publishing deals, Nintendo is bankrolling the development of these two games, thus securing their exclusivity until the day Nintendo decides it doesn't like having exclusive content anymore, which is effectively never.

Sounds pretty open-and-shut. This obviously won't silence the folks who demand -- nay, need -- their Bayo fix on PS3 / 360, but they might as well be screaming at the sun for being hot.

#29 Posted by JustPlainLucas (73610 posts) -
[QUOTE="rjdofu"]I know it's wishful thinking, but why the fvck not, dreams are free. Bayonetta 2 please goes multiplat, let my poor soul enjoy the game.

You still can. Just buy a Wii U.
#30 Posted by TheSacredFlame (324 posts) -

Bayonetta 2 getting ported?

Don't think so. Just get a Wii U if you want it so badly.

#31 Posted by Heil68 (43585 posts) -
Ill still get it for the WiiU--if at all. I loved the combat from the first game, but not much else.
#32 Posted by ccagracing (790 posts) -
I think it will get ported to ps3 & 360. WiiU has about 3 million consoles shipped so it would take around 1/3 to buy it for a million sales versus a combined userbase of 140 million formthe other two, even if you said only 50 million are active users then a lot of potential sales.
#33 Posted by Nintendo_Ownes7 (30917 posts) -

I think it will get ported to ps3 & 360. WiiU has about 3 million consoles shipped so it would take around 1/3 to buy it for a million sales versus a combined userbase of 140 million formthe other two, even if you said only 50 million are active users then a lot of potential sales. ccagracing
Read my above post Hideki Kamiya said it will only go multiplatform if Nintendo suddenly decided they don't need money anymore.

#34 Posted by fernandmondego_ (3170 posts) -

[QUOTE="ccagracing"]I think it will get ported to ps3 & 360. WiiU has about 3 million consoles shipped so it would take around 1/3 to buy it for a million sales versus a combined userbase of 140 million formthe other two, even if you said only 50 million are active users then a lot of potential sales. Nintendo_Ownes7

Read my above post Hideki Kamiya said it will only go multiplatform if Nintendo suddenly decided they don't need money anymore.

Or if they want to recoup some of their loses if the game bombs.
#35 Posted by Cherokee_Jack (32198 posts) -

Because, with it's rather high chance of bombing, SEGA still would be hesitant to even bother.nintendoboy16

Not if it sells well enough on the Wii U.

If a port happens, it will be at least a year after the Wii U release, most likely.

#36 Posted by ccagracing (790 posts) -

[QUOTE="ccagracing"]I think it will get ported to ps3 & 360. WiiU has about 3 million consoles shipped so it would take around 1/3 to buy it for a million sales versus a combined userbase of 140 million formthe other two, even if you said only 50 million are active users then a lot of potential sales. Nintendo_Ownes7

Read my above post Hideki Kamiya said it will only go multiplatform if Nintendo suddenly decided they don't need money anymore.

I think Bayonetta is a great game, genre defining hack n slash but its going to bomb hard on wiiU, at least sales wise. Nintendo are trying to break into an older demographic with it but if this game sells 100k it will be ported ASAP. Money talks, this sort of game is aimed at older gamers who want online play, gore and great combat. The WiiU is marketed to younger children and nothing at all wrong with that but I don't see mummy or daddy buying 10yr old Johnny Bayonetta 2.
#37 Posted by rjdofu (9170 posts) -
[QUOTE="JustPlainLucas"][QUOTE="rjdofu"]I know it's wishful thinking, but why the fvck not, dreams are free. Bayonetta 2 please goes multiplat, let my poor soul enjoy the game.

You still can. Just buy a Wii U.

$400 is kinda huge for me, especially when I have to spend that amount for just 1 game, nope.
#38 Posted by lamprey263 (23294 posts) -
it wouldn't surprise me if we later learned in producing Bayonetta's sequel that Nintendo acquired full rights to the Bayonetta franchise, that's what they did with Fatal Frame series
#39 Posted by jg4xchamp (47521 posts) -
If it did well enough and sega could justify the production, and Platinum was willing to do the work: It would require a Bayonetta Sigma 2 type deal to justify its existence to get around the Nintendo part. Technically Sega is still the pub in this case(Bayonetta is their IP), but they just didn't want to fund the project.
#40 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (24993 posts) -

If for some reason a game that is fully Nintendo Funded gets ported over to other next gen systems.

Who would publish it? That's the question.

#41 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (24993 posts) -

Nintendo is the Publisher of Bayonetta 2. They want to gain more consumers for their Wii U by releasing this game exclusively. Rayman Legends was published by Ubisoft and they made a deal with nintendo. So it's a whole different situation. I'm also sure Bayonetta 2 makes full use of the Wii U Pad in some way, so a port wouldn't be that easy. I'm not ruling it out though, I'm expecting less than good sales since Bayonetta has barely any fanbase within Nintendo consumers.LustForSoul

Implying Nintendo Wii/WiiU owners didn't also own a 360 or PS3 huh?

#42 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26319 posts) -
[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]If they wanted to port it, why would they need another publisher?fernandmondego_
Because, with it's rather high chance of bombing, SEGA still would be hesitant to even bother. There's a reason Nintendo stepped in after all.

Didn't the first one sell over a million? A port cost a fraction of the cost of developing a game, they don't even need Platinum to do the port.

It probably wasn't enough for SEGA's standards.
#43 Posted by dobzilian (2490 posts) -

[QUOTE="LustForSoul"]Nintendo is the Publisher of Bayonetta 2. They want to gain more consumers for their Wii U by releasing this game exclusively. Rayman Legends was published by Ubisoft and they made a deal with nintendo. So it's a whole different situation. I'm also sure Bayonetta 2 makes full use of the Wii U Pad in some way, so a port wouldn't be that easy. I'm not ruling it out though, I'm expecting less than good sales since Bayonetta has barely any fanbase within Nintendo consumers.LegatoSkyheart

Implying Nintendo Wii/WiiU owners didn't also own a 360 or PS3 huh?

Of cause they dont. I never owned a Wii and 360 and played Madworld, Vanquish, Bayonetta and cannot wait for W101, Bayonetta 2 and maybe will get MGS Revengence when its in the bargain bin as i'm not the biggest fan of the MGS franchise. Did you not know we could only own one console?! Legato... You need to keep up with times Bro.
#44 Posted by aaronmullan (33404 posts) -
I can dream.
#45 Posted by BrunoBRS (73260 posts) -
If it did well enough and sega could justify the production, and Platinum was willing to do the work: It would require a Bayonetta Sigma 2 type deal to justify its existence to get around the Nintendo part. Technically Sega is still the pub in this case(Bayonetta is their IP), but they just didn't want to fund the project. jg4xchamp
i don't think sega is still "technically" the publisher just because they own the IP. they'll get their royalties, but they're not publishing sh!t. kinda like the last story in NA. nintendo owns the IP, they probably got some royalties, but they did NOT publish it in NA, XSeed did.