I don't think the Wii U will even sell as well as the GC.

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#1 Posted by emgesp (2013 posts) -

Is Mario Kart and Smash Bros really going to move Wii U consoles as much as Nintendo thinks they are? I mean I think the people who wanted Mario Kart/Smash Bros already own a Wii U by now. It just seems to me that Nintendo's 1st party titles aren't as relevant as they use to be and will not be enough to make up for the lack of third party support.

I really think it would be a miracle if Nintendo could sell another 2-3 million Wii U's by the end of 2014.

#2 Edited by Demonjoe93 (9401 posts) -

I think at the very least, Smash Brothers 4 and Mario Kart 8 move five million Wii-Us. Even Melee and Double Dash sold over seven million copies, so it stands to reason that many of the people who would buy these games have not yet bought a Wii-U, including me.

#3 Posted by emgesp (2013 posts) -

@Demonjoe93:

Maybe 5 million copies, but they won't move 5 million actual consoles. Though, I do believe we will see a Mario Kart + Wii U bundle this holiday with a price cut.

#4 Posted by Demonjoe93 (9401 posts) -

@emgesp said:

@Demonjoe93:

Maybe 5 million copies, but they won't move 5 million actual consoles. Though, I do believe we will see a Mario Kart + Wii U bundle this holiday with a price cut.

That bundle would sure help them.

The thing that will help them the most though is advertising. Shortly before the launch of those two games, we should be seeing a lot of ads. I see One and PS4 ads all the time, but it's pretty rare when I see something pertaining to Wii-U.

#5 Posted by charizard1605 (54313 posts) -

I think you might be right.

#6 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (24204 posts) -

It will be the worst selling Nintendo console in history.

It will also be the first Nintendo console since the N64 to have the least amount of third party support.

#7 Posted by SolidGame_basic (15998 posts) -

I think we need to give a Nintendo a little more credit than assuming they hope to sell Wii Us off of just Mario Kart & Smash.

#8 Edited by Speak_Low (727 posts) -

The Wii U install base is so small now and so far behind where it should be - it's almost guaranteed to never match GCN consoles at this rate. Also:

MK Wii - 34 million

SSB Brawl (Wii) - 12 million

MK Double Dash (GCN) - 7 million

SSB Melee (GCN) - 7 million

So MK8 and SSBU are going to be the worst selling in the series - can't even match the GCN numbers, and what makes it look especially bad is this is coming after chart-topping MK Wii and SSB Brawl (Wii having both the highest selling versions in the series)

Say what you will about Sony and MS and their financial problems and flaws here and there - they never crashed so hard the way Nintendo have in terms of hardware and software for successive home consoles (Vita being another disaster, but for the handheld market) - even when these two companies sell less than before, it's never at the dramatically steep levels that Nintendo continues to fall

It takes enormously stupid decisions to have this happen, and lots of them to allow problems like this to repeat as they have. Nintendo excels in these areas

#9 Edited by KBFloYd (12727 posts) -

@speak_low said:

The Wii U install base is so small now and so far behind where it should be - it's almost guaranteed to never match GCN consoles at this rate. Also:

MK Wii - 34 million

SSB Brawl (Wii) - 12 million

MK Double Dash (GCN) - 7 million

SSB Melee (GCN) - 7 million

So MK8 and SSBU are going to be the worst selling in the series - can't even match the GCN numbers, and what makes it look especially bad is this is coming after chart-topping MK Wii and SSB Brawl (Wii having both the highest selling versions in the series)

Say what you will about Sony and MS and their financial problems and flaws here and there - they never crashed so hard the way Nintendo have in terms of hardware and software for successive home consoles (Vita being another disaster, but for the handheld market) - even when these two sell less, it's never at the dramatically steep levels that Nintendo continues to fall

It takes enormously stupid decisions to have this happen, and lots of them to allow problems like this to repeat as they have. Nintendo excels in these areas

sonys computer, phone, vita and tv dept are just as the wiiu.

the playstation, music and movie divisions do well though...in the case of playstation...they monopolized all the 3rd party to accomplish it.

#10 Edited by TrappedInABox91 (453 posts) -

I think its probably going to sell about the same.

#11 Edited by Speak_Low (727 posts) -

@KBFloYd said:

sonys computer, phone, vita and tv dept are just as the wiiu.

the playstation, music and movie divisions do well though...in the case of playstation...they monopolized all the 3rd party to accomplish it.

Sony and MS have more products and departments to watch over, yes - but would Nintendo and Iwata do better with additional computer, phone, TV, music and movie divisions to watch over, when they can't even resuscitate a simple video game console - the very thing they have the most industry experience in?

They have the least responsibility of the three and still failed. You bringing up Sony and MS's other divisions makes Nintendo look worse, because it shows their failure to succeed even when concentrating in one area (and Sony and MS have way more competition in those other areas to deal with. Nintendo has to concentrate on MS and Sony only, and they still fail!)

And what do you mean "monopolized" the 3rd party? Sony attracted them like they're supposed to do - using the same methods openly available to MS and Nintendo (and Ubisoft, EA and others you cry about being bought and stolen did make games for the Wii U. They're leaving or about to leave because of Nintendo's constant failures and bad sales, not because Sony paid them like you are implying - if this were true then why are they making games for MS too? You don't make sense nor support your brazen claims, as usual)

Nintendo couldn't attract third-party after numerous attempts every generation, so now you and a few others are pretending Sony employed unethical tactics to get to where they are and stole something from Nintendo. So one company is now an innocent victim who can't compete in this slanted and "corrupt" business, and another is an unprincipled bully. Have you been watching gangster movies lately?

Your claims never go anywhere - you just throw something out and think the boldness of the accusation will be enough to force us to empathize with Nintendo and distract us from the facts. Sure, make up stuff to make you feel better. I just have to look for the Princess Peach icon to know I'm in for a doozy

#12 Posted by glez13 (8498 posts) -

Don't know, 22M seems extremely low in this day and age.

#13 Edited by jg4xchamp (46596 posts) -

I could see it selling as much as the Gamecube.

I don't see it getting as many memorable games as the Gamecube.

#14 Edited by KBFloYd (12727 posts) -

@speak_low said:

@KBFloYd said:

sonys computer, phone, vita and tv dept are just as the wiiu.

the playstation, music and movie divisions do well though...in the case of playstation...they monopolized all the 3rd party to accomplish it.

Sony and MS have more products and departments to watch over, yes - but would Nintendo and Iwata do better with additional computer, phone, TV, music and movie divisions to watch over, when they can't even resuscitate a simple video game console - the very thing they have the most industry experience in?

They have the least responsibility of the three and still failed. You bringing up Sony and MS's other divisions makes Nintendo look worse, because it shows their failure to succeed even when concentrating in one area (and Sony and MS have way more competition in those other areas to deal with. Nintendo has to concentrate on MS and Sony only, and they still fail!)

And what do you mean "monopolized" the 3rd party? Sony attracted them like they're supposed to do - using the same methods openly available to MS and Nintendo (and Ubisoft, EA and others you cry about being bought and stolen did make games for the Wii U. They're leaving or about to leave because of Nintendo's constant failures and bad sales, not because Sony paid them like you are implying - if this were true than why are they making games for MS too? You don't make sense nor support your brazen claims, as usual)

Nintendo couldn't attract third-party after numerous attempts every generation, so now you and a few others are pretending Sony employed unethical tactics to get to where they are and stole something from Nintendo. So one company is now an innocent victim who can't compete in this slanted and "corrupt" business, and another is an unprincipled bully. Have you been watching gangster movies lately?

Your claims never go anywhere - you just throw something out and think the boldness of the accusation will be enough to force us to empathize with Nintendo and distract us from the facts. Sure, make up stuff to make you feel better. I just have to look for the Princess Peach icon to know I'm in for a doozy

nintendo's handheld is selling just as good as ps4....vita is just as bad as the wiiu...

equal income..one company with 3rd party and one with almost none...which is the better gamming company then?

mario kart 7 already sold like 7million so even if mario kart 8 flops.. you statements that nintendo franchises are irrlevant are fraudulent.

i just have to look for barbara striesand to know im in for nintendo hate.

#15 Posted by ratchet_usa (350 posts) -

@emgesp: nintendo is dead and the game cube was much cheaper than xbox the PS2 and it still become a historic FLop. The same future lies for wiiu is nintendo doesn't do anything about it. Same strategy though, when game cube came out, nintendo dropped all support for n64 and force all their sheep to buy a cube, the same for wiiu.

#16 Posted by locopatho (20037 posts) -

#20millionandamovie

#17 Edited by Pray_to_me (2734 posts) -

They should just pull the plug right now and port all that shit to PS4 and iOS.

#18 Posted by mariokart64fan (19346 posts) -

lol ps3 was doing just as bad in the first few years , yet it managed 80 million , i think 50 million is a good mark for wiiu atm , anything can happen in the coming years that propel it , mariokart 8 is a good place to start

#19 Posted by Speak_Low (727 posts) -

@KBFloYd said:

nintendo's handheld is selling just as good as ps4....vita is just as bad as the wiiu...

equal income..one company with 3rd party and one with almost none...which is the better gamming company then?

mario kart 7 already sold like 7million so even if mario kart 8 flops.. you statements that nintendo franchises are irrlevant are fraudulent.

i just have to look for barbara striesand to know im in for nintendo hate.

I never said MK was an irrelevant series. It's a big and important series for a console just as Halo/Uncharted are for MS/Sony consoles.

I said that the Wii U install base is too low - pathetically low (selling worse than Dreamcast at the same point in time -- how does this fact not disturb you?), and this record low for Nintendo will severely limit the potential sales of MK8 and SSBU. If things continue to be this bad you may not even see a Zelda U because a big budget title cannot afford to see just 2-4 million sold and call that a profitable success. Skyward Sword had 4 million and Nintendo was disappointed with that one. 2-4 million units sounds like a lot but not for major exclusives under development for years - a Zelda title should be accomplishing more than that.

And Nintendo is currently hurting a lot more on the gaming side of things in comparison to the other two - posting record losses even with the 3DS selling well (the Wii U is just too expensive to manufacture and ruining everybody's party). Sony and MS have their own financial problems across many divisions, but you like to make everything sound "flush" to even out the video game battlefield again just to elevate Nintendo's name, buying time and throwing out more "excuse obstacles" to try to distract us and forget how troubling their situation is right now (selling worse than Dreamcast. HELLO?) The silence and trickle droughts are painful for Nintendo, and you're trying to fill it with some noise

I know it's fun to pretend things will be better around the corner (when there is something promising to look forward to), but opting for the more "fun" and optimistic prediction doesn't make it any more true. And the fact that Nintendo home consoles keep selling worse than before (with the exception of Wii) means that these fun predictions thrown around seem to be wrong predictions. For me to be truly convinced these days, you need to present to me some killer evidence, compelling points of view and support for your claims -- new things I've never heard of and have no ties to the N64/GCN years because all of those old excuses are worthless now - they didn't save Nintendo.

And the fact that all of the major publishers/devs are now going towards PS4/X1 over the Wii U has to be a scored winning point for Sony/MS and attributable to something they have done right along the way.

But I know you despise seeing their names and any accomplishments, so obviously they must have done something sleazy and dirty and cheated in some way to get their third-party support. But this free road was open to Nintendo for a whole year and they could've done a number of things better to attract third-party. This same road allowed the Wii to be successful and was the same road that existed during the N64 and GCN days.

Perhaps Nintendo is terrible at reading lanes and doesn't know how to navigate the roads. Their Wii U problems are a result of them wasting time, acting arrogant and neglecting clear signs in the industry ever since the N64 days.

#20 Posted by locopatho (20037 posts) -

lol ps3 was doing just as bad in the first few years , yet it managed 80 million , i think 50 million is a good mark for wiiu atm , anything can happen in the coming years that propel it , mariokart 8 is a good place to start

Mario Kart 64 fan thinks Mario Kart will bring 50 million sales... lol. WIiU will be lucky to beat Dreamcast.

#21 Posted by locopatho (20037 posts) -

I said that the Wii U install base is too low - pathetically low (selling worse than Dreamcast at the same point in time -- how does this fact not disturb you?), and this record low for Nintendo will severely limit the potential sales of MK8 and SSBU. If things continue to be this bad you may not even see a Zelda U because a big budget title cannot afford to see just 2-4 million sold and call that a profitable success. Skyward Sword had 4 million and Nintendo was disappointed with that one. 2-4 million units sounds like a lot but not for major exclusives under development for years - a Zelda title should be accomplishing more than that.

Totally. Skyward Sword sold worse on a 100 million userbase than Windwaker sold on a 20 million userbase and is the lowest rated console Zelda ever. Zelda is (sadly) trending downwards. Well not the handheld ones, but the console ones for sure.

#22 Edited by superbuuman (2511 posts) -

still think its a mistake releasing SSB on 3DS & Wii U...not need to buy Wii U for it anymore.

#23 Posted by PurpleMan5000 (6564 posts) -

I could see it selling as much as the Gamecube.

I don't see it getting as many memorable games as the Gamecube.

I think the complete opposite of this will occur. The Wii U is on track to have a much better library than the Gamecube did. As long as Nintendo continues to support it for a few more years, this is just about guaranteed. Nintendo has completely lost their casual audience, though, and I don't think their traditional games are going to get them back.

#24 Edited by LegatoSkyheart (24204 posts) -

@Pray_to_me: more like should just make a better WiiU.

#25 Edited by locopatho (20037 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

I could see it selling as much as the Gamecube.

I don't see it getting as many memorable games as the Gamecube.

I think the complete opposite of this will occur. The Wii U is on track to have a much better library than the Gamecube did. As long as Nintendo continues to support it for a few more years, this is just about guaranteed. Nintendo has completely lost their casual audience, though, and I don't think their traditional games are going to get them back.

Marp? Gamecube had powerful hardware, great sequels, great new IPs and some decent 3rd party. Don't see WiiU getting that. Nothing like the Sands Of Time Trilogy, Burnout or Tales Of for example.

#26 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (8509 posts) -

But it is Better than the gamecube. Quality over Quantity.

#27 Posted by Jag85 (4230 posts) -

It should sell somewhere around the same amount the GameCube sold.

#28 Edited by Demonjoe93 (9401 posts) -

@superbuuman said:

still think its a mistake releasing SSB on 3DS & Wii U...not need to buy Wii U for it anymore.

I think the impact the 3DS version of Smash Brothers 4 will be minimal. Smash Brothers is famous for its local multiplayer, and playing in the same room together will be easiest on the Wii-U.

I think at worst 80% of the copies Smash Brothers 4 sells will be Wii-U.

#29 Posted by foxhound_fox (86812 posts) -
@emgesp said:

I mean I think the people who wanted Mario Kart/Smash Bros already own a Wii U by now.

Why would anyone buy a console IN ANTICIPATION for something they want? Why wouldn't they wait till what they want comes out? A stupid consumer shops like that.

#30 Posted by CountBleck12 (22494 posts) -

@superbuuman said:

still think its a mistake releasing SSB on 3DS & Wii U...not need to buy Wii U for it anymore.

I think the impact the 3DS version of Smash Brothers 4 will be minimal. Smash Brothers is famous for its local multiplayer, and playing in the same room together will be easiest on the Wii-U.

I think at worst 80% of the copies Smash Brothers 4 sells will be Wii-U.

Yeah I mean the past SSB titles have all been on consoles so it would only make sense that people would buy the game on the Wii U.

#31 Edited by Aparthide (235 posts) -

lol ps3 was doing just as bad in the first few years , yet it managed 80 million , i think 50 million is a good mark for wiiu atm , anything can happen in the coming years that propel it , mariokart 8 is a good place to start

In the same time span the ps3 sold twice as much at almost twice the price of the Wii U.

#32 Posted by Demonjoe93 (9401 posts) -

@emgesp said:

I mean I think the people who wanted Mario Kart/Smash Bros already own a Wii U by now.

Why would anyone buy a console IN ANTICIPATION for something they want? Why wouldn't they wait till what they want comes out? A stupid consumer shops like that.

While I'm sure some people do that, I also don't think most people do that. For example, when Halo comes out on the One, expect sales for it to spike.

#33 Posted by DJ-Lafleur (34072 posts) -

@Demonjoe93 said:

@superbuuman said:

still think its a mistake releasing SSB on 3DS & Wii U...not need to buy Wii U for it anymore.

I think the impact the 3DS version of Smash Brothers 4 will be minimal. Smash Brothers is famous for its local multiplayer, and playing in the same room together will be easiest on the Wii-U.

I think at worst 80% of the copies Smash Brothers 4 sells will be Wii-U.

Yeah I mean the past SSB titles have all been on consoles so it would only make sense that people would buy the game on the Wii U.

That and the Wii U is supposed to have different stages and I'm pretty sure I recall Sakurai saying something about cross=platform play or whatever.

#34 Posted by FinalFighters (1312 posts) -

yeah i think you might be right. im guesstimating around 12 Million, maybe lower.

#35 Posted by CountBleck12 (22494 posts) -

@CountBleck12 said:

Yeah I mean the past SSB titles have all been on consoles so it would only make sense that people would buy the game on the Wii U.

That and the Wii U is supposed to have different stages and I'm pretty sure I recall Sakurai saying something about cross=platform play or whatever.

Yeah I heard about that as well, not sure if it's still true about the game having that though.

#36 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22310 posts) -

@locopatho: a link between world's was made by the same teams that made the console zeldas. If there was a downward trend it broke it

#37 Edited by Joedgabe (5090 posts) -

I know sales are important for the future of a product but..... putting that a bit aside GC had some pretty damn good games. Had the better SSB and the better Mario Kart metroid prime RE4 debut for example. So personally i think the GC was a gamers success. PS2 beat it sure but not erased it. That feeling that the GC was good got me to buy a Wii of-course i was highly dissapointed in the wii though.

#38 Posted by locopatho (20037 posts) -

@locopatho: a link between world's was made by the same teams that made the console zeldas. If there was a downward trend it broke it

Fair enough. I didn't know that.

#39 Edited by PurpleMan5000 (6564 posts) -

@PurpleMan5000 said:

@jg4xchamp said:

I could see it selling as much as the Gamecube.

I don't see it getting as many memorable games as the Gamecube.

I think the complete opposite of this will occur. The Wii U is on track to have a much better library than the Gamecube did. As long as Nintendo continues to support it for a few more years, this is just about guaranteed. Nintendo has completely lost their casual audience, though, and I don't think their traditional games are going to get them back.

Marp? Gamecube had powerful hardware, great sequels, great new IPs and some decent 3rd party. Don't see WiiU getting that. Nothing like the Sands Of Time Trilogy, Burnout or Tales Of for example.

I played my multiplats on a more powerful system than the Gamecube, just like this gen. Multiplat games mean absolutely nothing to me on any of the consoles, really. The Wii U already has a great exclusive library. It is the only current gen console worth owning right now.

#40 Posted by Life-is-a-Game (546 posts) -

No way .. The GC sold sth like 21-22Million .. WiiU stands at around 5.5Million now .. and Mario Kart, SSB and Zelda haven't been released yet .. We also have Bayo 2 and project X and whatever new game Retro working on .. So from here until the end of the year I can see it selling around 10Million .. In four years it will be 25Million after all games get released

Btw Nintendo pumped 2 Marios, DKCR, Pikmin 3, so for sure their developers are working on a lot of new titles we know nothing about :)

#41 Posted by jg4xchamp (46596 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

I could see it selling as much as the Gamecube.

I don't see it getting as many memorable games as the Gamecube.

I think the complete opposite of this will occur. The Wii U is on track to have a much better library than the Gamecube did. As long as Nintendo continues to support it for a few more years, this is just about guaranteed. Nintendo has completely lost their casual audience, though, and I don't think their traditional games are going to get them back.

How? The gamecube actually had a third party lineup.

Exclusive for Exclusive even if the WiiU had an edge(it be little at best), it still wouldn't make up for the fact the gamecube also got Beyond good and Evil, Sands of Time, Splinter Cell, Timesplitters, Resident Evil 4, etc. Nintendo's work should be fine(albeit I doubt they ever hit the heights of the 2 prime games on the gamecube with Metroid ever again), but that doesn't change the fact that all it has going for it are exclusives. It has no library beyond that. The gamecube did, and that's not simply overruled with "I just played those games on PS2 anyway". That's not really the point. An entire library shouldn't be dismissed like that.

Now if the argument is about me using the word "memorable". Well that one is another entirely, but again for my money the most interesting game on the WiiU isn't even a Nintendo made game: It's Platinum. Outside of parts of 3D World, Nintendo's own offerings have been mostly uninspired. Good(like Donkey Kong), but devoid of any meaningful evolution.

#42 Posted by PurpleMan5000 (6564 posts) -

@PurpleMan5000 said:

@jg4xchamp said:

I could see it selling as much as the Gamecube.

I don't see it getting as many memorable games as the Gamecube.

I think the complete opposite of this will occur. The Wii U is on track to have a much better library than the Gamecube did. As long as Nintendo continues to support it for a few more years, this is just about guaranteed. Nintendo has completely lost their casual audience, though, and I don't think their traditional games are going to get them back.

How? The gamecube actually had a third party lineup.

Exclusive for Exclusive even if the WiiU had an edge(it be little at best), it still wouldn't make up for the fact the gamecube also got Beyond good and Evil, Sands of Time, Splinter Cell, Timesplitters, Resident Evil 4, etc. Nintendo's work should be fine(albeit I doubt they ever hit the heights of the 2 prime games on the gamecube with Metroid ever again), but that doesn't change the fact that all it has going for it are exclusives. It has no library beyond that. The gamecube did, and that's not simply overruled with "I just played those games on PS2 anyway". That's not really the point. An entire library shouldn't be dismissed like that.

Now if the argument is about me using the word "memorable". Well that one is another entirely, but again for my money the most interesting game on the WiiU isn't even a Nintendo made game: It's Platinum. Outside of parts of 3D World, Nintendo's own offerings have been mostly uninspired. Good(like Donkey Kong), but devoid of any meaningful evolution.

None of those games were best played on the Gamecube, though. When I think of those titles, I don't think of the Gamecube. When you think about Arkham City or Deus Ex, do you think about the Wii U?

#43 Posted by locopatho (20037 posts) -

@locopatho said:

@PurpleMan5000 said:

@jg4xchamp said:

I could see it selling as much as the Gamecube.

I don't see it getting as many memorable games as the Gamecube.

I think the complete opposite of this will occur. The Wii U is on track to have a much better library than the Gamecube did. As long as Nintendo continues to support it for a few more years, this is just about guaranteed. Nintendo has completely lost their casual audience, though, and I don't think their traditional games are going to get them back.

Marp? Gamecube had powerful hardware, great sequels, great new IPs and some decent 3rd party. Don't see WiiU getting that. Nothing like the Sands Of Time Trilogy, Burnout or Tales Of for example.

I played my multiplats on a more powerful system than the Gamecube, just like this gen. Multiplat games mean absolutely nothing to me on any of the consoles, really. The Wii U already has a great exclusive library. It is the only current gen console worth owning right now.

You said library, not exclusives. So that's why I mentioned third party. Fair enough, Nintendo consoles always do have exclusives worth getting.

#44 Posted by Coolyfett (5079 posts) -

It will be the worst selling Nintendo console in history.

It will also be the first Nintendo console since the N64 to have the least amount of third party support.

How many units did gamecube and Virtual Boy sell?? Let Coolyfett check wiki......21.74 million Gamecubes and 1.26 million Virtual Boys..so Wii U needs to beat 21.74 Million lifetime sales.

#45 Posted by DocSanchez (1392 posts) -

Nintendo may not give it enough time to beat the gamecube's sales. Think about that.

What an outright disaster this console has been from start to finish. And the amount of armchair experts out there who think there ever was an easy solution to fixing it is staggering. No, changing the name isn't a quick fix. No, games aren't the only problem. No, the gamepad isn't the only thing holding it back. There is a lot going on here and it goes back years and years.

Nintendo's problems, ones of credibility and third party strength, go way back, but they were exacerbated by the wii. Yes, they sold more than any other console, but it wasn't with gamers. It was with people who were always destined to treat Nintendo as a passing fad. And they boasted of the fact. They tailored their console to them. And now the inevitable has happened, and they haven't followed Nintendo, and it's isolated. A thin strand of die hard followers is all that is standing between them and oblivion.

#46 Edited by chocolate1325 (32368 posts) -

I think that Mario Kart games on Handhelds have been better whilst the console ones have been good too the handhelds seem to catch the brilliance of the SNES original with it's gameplay better espically in Battle Mode.

Also many people thought Melee was better than Brawl which it is and I doubt that the follow up will be any better than Melee.