I don't think the Wii U will even sell as well as the GC.

Is Mario Kart and Smash Bros really going to move Wii U consoles as much as Nintendo thinks they are? I mean I think the people who wanted Mario Kart/Smash Bros already own a Wii U by now. It just seems to me that Nintendo's 1st party titles aren't as relevant as they use to be and will not be enough to make up for the lack of third party support.

I really think it would be a miracle if Nintendo could sell another 2-3 million Wii U's by the end of 2014.

I think at the very least, Smash Brothers 4 and Mario Kart 8 move five million Wii-Us. Even Melee and Double Dash sold over seven million copies, so it stands to reason that many of the people who would buy these games have not yet bought a Wii-U, including me.

@Demonjoe93:

Maybe 5 million copies, but they won't move 5 million actual consoles. Though, I do believe we will see a Mario Kart + Wii U bundle this holiday with a price cut.

That bundle would sure help them.

The thing that will help them the most though is advertising. Shortly before the launch of those two games, we should be seeing a lot of ads. I see One and PS4 ads all the time, but it's pretty rare when I see something pertaining to Wii-U.

I think you might be right.

It will be the worst selling Nintendo console in history.

It will also be the first Nintendo console since the N64 to have the least amount of third party support.

I think we need to give a Nintendo a little more credit than assuming they hope to sell Wii Us off of just Mario Kart & Smash.

sonys computer, phone, vita and tv dept are just as the wiiu.

the playstation, music and movie divisions do well though...in the case of playstation...they monopolized all the 3rd party to accomplish it.

I think its probably going to sell about the same.

Don't know, 22M seems extremely low in this day and age.

I could see it selling as much as the Gamecube.

I don't see it getting as many memorable games as the Gamecube.

nintendo's handheld is selling just as good as ps4....vita is just as bad as the wiiu...

equal income..one company with 3rd party and one with almost none...which is the better gamming company then?

mario kart 7 already sold like 7million so even if mario kart 8 flops.. you statements that nintendo franchises are irrlevant are fraudulent.

i just have to look for barbara striesand to know im in for nintendo hate.

@emgesp: nintendo is dead and the game cube was much cheaper than xbox the PS2 and it still become a historic FLop. The same future lies for wiiu is nintendo doesn't do anything about it. Same strategy though, when game cube came out, nintendo dropped all support for n64 and force all their sheep to buy a cube, the same for wiiu.

#20millionandamovie

They should just pull the plug right now and port all that shit to PS4 and iOS.

lol ps3 was doing just as bad in the first few years , yet it managed 80 million , i think 50 million is a good mark for wiiu atm , anything can happen in the coming years that propel it , mariokart 8 is a good place to start

Mario Kart 64 fan thinks Mario Kart will bring 50 million sales... lol. WIiU will be lucky to beat Dreamcast.

Totally. Skyward Sword sold worse on a 100 million userbase than Windwaker sold on a 20 million userbase and is the lowest rated console Zelda ever. Zelda is (sadly) trending downwards. Well not the handheld ones, but the console ones for sure.

still think its a mistake releasing SSB on 3DS & Wii U...not need to buy Wii U for it anymore.

I think the complete opposite of this will occur. The Wii U is on track to have a much better library than the Gamecube did. As long as Nintendo continues to support it for a few more years, this is just about guaranteed. Nintendo has completely lost their casual audience, though, and I don't think their traditional games are going to get them back.

@Pray_to_me: more like should just make a better WiiU.

Marp? Gamecube had powerful hardware, great sequels, great new IPs and some decent 3rd party. Don't see WiiU getting that. Nothing like the Sands Of Time Trilogy, Burnout or Tales Of for example.

But it is Better than the gamecube. Quality over Quantity.

It should sell somewhere around the same amount the GameCube sold.

I think the impact the 3DS version of Smash Brothers 4 will be minimal. Smash Brothers is famous for its local multiplayer, and playing in the same room together will be easiest on the Wii-U.

I think at worst 80% of the copies Smash Brothers 4 sells will be Wii-U.

Why would anyone buy a console IN ANTICIPATION for something they want? Why wouldn't they wait till what they want comes out? A stupid consumer shops like that.

Yeah I mean the past SSB titles have all been on consoles so it would only make sense that people would buy the game on the Wii U.

In the same time span the ps3 sold twice as much at almost twice the price of the Wii U.

While I'm sure some people do that, I also don't think most people do that. For example, when Halo comes out on the One, expect sales for it to spike.

That and the Wii U is supposed to have different stages and I'm pretty sure I recall Sakurai saying something about cross=platform play or whatever.

yeah i think you might be right. im guesstimating around 12 Million, maybe lower.

Yeah I heard about that as well, not sure if it's still true about the game having that though.

@locopatho: a link between world's was made by the same teams that made the console zeldas. If there was a downward trend it broke it

I know sales are important for the future of a product but..... putting that a bit aside GC had some pretty damn good games. Had the better SSB and the better Mario Kart metroid prime RE4 debut for example. So personally i think the GC was a gamers success. PS2 beat it sure but not erased it. That feeling that the GC was good got me to buy a Wii of-course i was highly dissapointed in the wii though.

Fair enough. I didn't know that.

I played my multiplats on a more powerful system than the Gamecube, just like this gen. Multiplat games mean absolutely nothing to me on any of the consoles, really. The Wii U already has a great exclusive library. It is the only current gen console worth owning right now.

No way .. The GC sold sth like 21-22Million .. WiiU stands at around 5.5Million now .. and Mario Kart, SSB and Zelda haven't been released yet .. We also have Bayo 2 and project X and whatever new game Retro working on .. So from here until the end of the year I can see it selling around 10Million .. In four years it will be 25Million after all games get released

Btw Nintendo pumped 2 Marios, DKCR, Pikmin 3, so for sure their developers are working on a lot of new titles we know nothing about :)

How? The gamecube actually had a third party lineup.

Exclusive for Exclusive even if the WiiU had an edge(it be little at best), it still wouldn't make up for the fact the gamecube also got Beyond good and Evil, Sands of Time, Splinter Cell, Timesplitters, Resident Evil 4, etc. Nintendo's work should be fine(albeit I doubt they ever hit the heights of the 2 prime games on the gamecube with Metroid ever again), but that doesn't change the fact that all it has going for it are exclusives. It has no library beyond that. The gamecube did, and that's not simply overruled with "I just played those games on PS2 anyway". That's not really the point. An entire library shouldn't be dismissed like that.

Now if the argument is about me using the word "memorable". Well that one is another entirely, but again for my money the most interesting game on the WiiU isn't even a Nintendo made game: It's Platinum. Outside of parts of 3D World, Nintendo's own offerings have been mostly uninspired. Good(like Donkey Kong), but devoid of any meaningful evolution.

None of those games were best played on the Gamecube, though. When I think of those titles, I don't think of the Gamecube. When you think about Arkham City or Deus Ex, do you think about the Wii U?

You said library, not exclusives. So that's why I mentioned third party. Fair enough, Nintendo consoles always do have exclusives worth getting.

How many units did gamecube and Virtual Boy sell?? Let Coolyfett check wiki......21.74 million Gamecubes and 1.26 million Virtual Boys..so Wii U needs to beat 21.74 Million lifetime sales.

Nintendo may not give it enough time to beat the gamecube's sales. Think about that.

What an outright disaster this console has been from start to finish. And the amount of armchair experts out there who think there ever was an easy solution to fixing it is staggering. No, changing the name isn't a quick fix. No, games aren't the only problem. No, the gamepad isn't the only thing holding it back. There is a lot going on here and it goes back years and years.

Nintendo's problems, ones of credibility and third party strength, go way back, but they were exacerbated by the wii. Yes, they sold more than any other console, but it wasn't with gamers. It was with people who were always destined to treat Nintendo as a passing fad. And they boasted of the fact. They tailored their console to them. And now the inevitable has happened, and they haven't followed Nintendo, and it's isolated. A thin strand of die hard followers is all that is standing between them and oblivion.

I think that Mario Kart games on Handhelds have been better whilst the console ones have been good too the handhelds seem to catch the brilliance of the SNES original with it's gameplay better espically in Battle Mode.

Also many people thought Melee was better than Brawl which it is and I doubt that the follow up will be any better than Melee.