I Can Understand If You Like The First Halo More But.....

...if you LOVE Halo CE and at the same time absolutely HATE Halo 2 you are either delusional, irrational, nonsensical or simply not fully aware of your surroundings. As I said in the thread title, I completely understand if you prefer the first one FAR more than you prefer the second one but there is no way a rational person can feel so radically different about these two games. There is nothing about the first game that makes it exponentially better than the second game and nothing about the second game that makes it exponentially worse than the first game.

People that say these things are fakeboys in my opinion. I've beaten Halo CE 79 times andcounting and I've beaten Halo 2 91 times and counting. I've also logged in thousands of hours multiplayer and co-op in BOTH games. I'm not speaking from mere blind opinion, I'm speaking from a standpoint that I know pretty much every inch of both games. Every nook and cranny, every single enemy on all difficulty levels, every shortcut, I'm proficient with every weapon, I'm familiar with all the gameplay and AI mechanics, in other words, I really do know what I'm talking about.

There is no justification AT ALL for people who can say that Halo CE was amazing but Halo 2 blows, no justification.

    See, its like a classic movie. No matter how good a sequel is, to some people, it can never live up to the original, and any changes (such as the pistol from CE) will be considered blaspheme.

    I like Halo 2 better because I like some of the changes implemented, and of course, Live play. I understand that some people are going to hate any changes. You just need to remember that not every opinion is borne from thourough inspection and logical thought.

    Some people have reasons, some just feel that changes = bad game. Its their opinions, and they don't really need to justify them. Don't sweat what other people think about something though. It should not change how you feel about it. 

I liked Halo. I hated Halo 2. The single-player in Halo: CE was very fun. The single-player in Halo 2 sucked really bad.Litchie

[QUOTE="Litchie"]I liked Halo. I hated Halo 2. The single-player in Halo: CE was very fun. The single-player in Halo 2 sucked really bad.musicalmac

...if you LOVE Halo CE and at the same time absolutely HATE Halo 2 you are either delusional, irrational, nonsensical or simply not fully aware of your surroundings. As I said in the thread title, I completely understand if you prefer the first one FAR more than you prefer the second one but there is no way a rational person can feel so radically different about these two games. There is nothing about the first game that makes it exponentially better than the second game and nothing about the second game that makes it exponentially worse than the first game.

People that say these things are fakeboys in my opinion. I've beaten Halo CE 79 times andcounting and I've beaten Halo 2 91 times and counting. I've also logged in thousands of hours multiplayer and co-op in BOTH games. I'm not speaking from mere blind opinion, I'm speaking from a standpoint that I know pretty much every inch of both games. Every nook and cranny, every single enemy on all difficulty levels, every shortcut, I'm proficient with every weapon, I'm familiar with all the gameplay and AI mechanics, in other words, I really do know what I'm talking about.

There is no justification AT ALL for people who can say that Halo CE was amazing but Halo 2 blows, no justification.

Spartan070

 Its called opinions, you know, things that people get bashed for...

I liked Halo. I hated Halo 2. The single-player in Halo: CE was very fun. The single-player in Halo 2 sucked really bad.Litchie

Halo = Fellowship of the Ring Halo 2 = Two Towers Halo 3 = The Return of the KingDaysAirlines

Or perhaps there are those kinds of people out there that enjoy playing games that require skill?

Oh great... here we go...
foxhound_fox

Its called opinions, you know, things that people get bashed for... thejakel11225

thier was no fellowship[):Raider4Life81

Or perhaps there are those kinds of people out there that enjoy playing games that require skill?

Oh great... here we go...
foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Litchie"]I liked Halo. I hated Halo 2. The single-player in Halo: CE was very fun. The single-player in Halo 2 sucked really bad.Spartan070

Kotor doesnt take much skill itsself..ive played it 4 times over alsoRaider4Life81

Try it on hard with a gimped character. You will be begging for mercy before you finish Taris.

Not to mention, KotOR and Halo are unrelated games.

The story in 2 sucked compared to CE. The narrative jumped all around, and the game lacked the context and sense of continuity of the original. I loved 1 and didn't HATE 2, but I sure didn't love it either. It was just kinda' meh. donalbane

and then a load of Arbiter missions (which all sucked and didn't do anything for the story) MegaPigeon

[QUOTE="Raider4Life81"]thier was no fellowship[):foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="MegaPigeon"] and then a load of Arbiter missions (which all sucked and didn't do anything for the story) Spartan070

[QUOTE="MegaPigeon"] and then a load of Arbiter missions (which all sucked and didn't do anything for the story) Spartan070

...if you LOVE Halo CE and at the same time absolutely HATE Halo 2 you are either delusional, irrational, nonsensical or simply not fully aware of your surroundings. As I said in the thread title, I completely understand if you prefer the first one FAR more than you prefer the second one but there is no way a rational person can feel so radically different about these two games. There is nothing about the first game that makes it exponentially better than the second game and nothing about the second game that makes it exponentially worse than the first game.

People that say these things are fakeboys in my opinion. I've beaten Halo CE 79 times andcounting and I've beaten Halo 2 91 times and counting. I've also logged in thousands of hours multiplayer and co-op in BOTH games. I'm not speaking from mere blind opinion, I'm speaking from a standpoint that I know pretty much every inch of both games. Every nook and cranny, every single enemy on all difficulty levels, every shortcut, I'm proficient with every weapon, I'm familiar with all the gameplay and AI mechanics, in other words, I really do know what I'm talking about.

There is no justification AT ALL for people who can say that Halo CE was amazing but Halo 2 blows, no justification.

Spartan070

I kinda see what you mean, I loved Halo more but in no way do I hate Halo 2. Why would I hate it really. I think Halo 2 is a good game too but just cause it's not as good as Halo 1 doesn't mean it's garbage or something I should hate.

I think mostly it's just people misusing the word hate cause they're like star wars fans who dress up and feel certain changes from Halo 1 to 2 were against the law or something lol

I think most people don't Halo 2, far majority I would say. 

And didn't Bungie admit that they disliked how Halo 2 turned out because it was rushed? donalbane

so this was flamebait huh Spartan? Im dissapointedRaider4Life81

I think mostly it's just people misusing the word hate cause they're like star wars fans who dress up and feel certain changes from Halo 1 to 2 were against the law or something lolkcpp2b

The Arbiters missions were EXPONENTIALLY more important than anything John did in Halo 2, even more so as I'm sure you'll find out in Halo 3.Spartan070

    See, its like a classic movie. No matter how good a sequel is, to some people, it can never live up to the original, and any changes (such as the pistol from CE) will be considered blaspheme.

    I like Halo 2 better because I like some of the changes implemented, and of course, Live play. I understand that some people are going to hate any changes. You just need to remember that not every opinion is borne from thourough inspection and logical thought.

    Some people have reasons, some just feel that changes = bad game. Its their opinions, and they don't really need to justify them. Don't sweat what other people think about something though. It should not change how you feel about it. 

SpruceCaboose

that's not true. my sister used to play halo 1 with me all the time, but she doesn't like halo 2. all she likes is single player because she'll get beaten badly on multiplayer, and we all know how terrible halo 2's single playe ris.paullywog

[QUOTE="Spartan070"] The Arbiters missions were EXPONENTIALLY more important than anything John did in Halo 2, even more so as I'm sure you'll find out in Halo 3.rykaziel

Here's my take on it. Halo 2 did just what a sequel is supposed to do. It expanded on the mythos of the series. In the 1st game, the Covenant was nothing more than generic badguys. The aliens that attack us Humans for the sake of having something to fight. Halo 2 gave us distinct characters from the other side, revealed a great deal more about their society, the relations between different factions and races, the polotics, and showed that they aren't as unified and single minded as most other alien civilizations in general sci-fi. In other words, they have their own political and social conflicts, they aren't that much different from us. The coveneant went from being those generic alien bad guys, to fleshed out, both as people and as a civilization, making them much more interesting as an enemy because they became more real and had depth. On top of that we have the introduction of Gravemind, which adds some new element to the Flood.

And this seems like a good place to share my Halo 3 predictions.

DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT POTENTIAL SPOILERS

First looking at the facts we know:

* When the covenant come to earth, they aren't expecting to find us Humans there. They didn't know Earth is our Homeworld.

* They came looking for something else, at the time not known what.

* Even though preventing the Delta Halo from activating, a signal is still sent into deep space. All the other Halol installations are on standby. The monitor says the only way all can be actually activated, is by the Ark. Arbiter asks where this Ark is, and the scene shifts just as the Monitor is about to answer....

Now there's the E3 trailer, MC standing on a cliff as a Coveneant fleet converges on a point in a barren flatlands. Then the massive portal opens from the ground, clearly a forerunner structure. Where does this all lead?

My conclusion is that the massive portal isn't located on a Halo, it's on Earth (probably Africa), it is the Ark that the Monitor spoke of. That is what the Covenant fleet came looking for, probably not knowing what it really is just as they don't understand the Rings true purpose. The implications of this?

That Earth has a connection to the Forerunners, just as the Covenant do. And while the Covenant may consider us Humans an affront to their gods (as described in the Halo 1 manual briefing the opening of the game), both civilizations have some long lost connection to one another.

Oh and of course you can see how Halo 2 was leading up to Chief and the Arbiter joining forces in a cooperative effort.

[QUOTE="donalbane"] And didn't Bungie admit that they disliked how Halo 2 turned out because it was rushed? Spartan070

The coveneant went from being those generic alien bad guys, to fleshed out, both as people and as a civilization, making them much more interesting as an enemy because they became more real and had depth. On top of that we have the introduction of Gravemind, which adds some new element to the Flood.

 

AdobeArtist

Exactly!  How people think this is a bad idea is beyond me.  I guess people are upset that Halo now has substance to the story, that's why they bash the story I guess.:?

I enjoyed the story, and I know that the story in Halo 2 adds multiple layers and expands the universe tremendously, but I just didn't like how it was done. The story in Halo 2 is much more interesting, but the fact of the matter is I just didn't care about the Arbiter missions, which, as you said, were the most important missions in the story. I was rushing through them just trying to get the point where I could play as the MC again.

I happen to think that Gravemind is the most interesting/important character in the series right now because of what he knows regarding the Forerunner, and what he does with Cortana and her capabilities. I can't wait to play the game to see what happens, but I can say that I'm disappointed knowing that I have to play as the Arbiter. I'd honestly just like to see him in a few cutscenes explaining what he was doing, and what was happening within the Covenant, but I know that since he was playable in 2, he will have to be in 3.

I enjoyed the story, and I know that the story in Halo 2 adds multiple layers and expands the universe tremendously, but I just didn't like how it was done. The story in Halo 2 is much more interesting, but the fact of the matter is I just didn't care about the Arbiter missions, which, as you said, were the most important missions in the story. I was rushing through them just trying to get the point where I could play as the MC again.

I happen to think that Gravemind is the most interesting/important character in the series right now because of what he knows regarding the Forerunner, and what he does with Cortana and her capabilities. I can't wait to play the game to see what happens, but I can say that I'm disappointed knowing that I have to play as the Arbiter. I'd honestly just like to see him in a few cutscenes explaining what he was doing, and what was happening within the Covenant, but I know that since he was playable in 2, he will have to be in 3.

rykaziel

Halo PC is better than both. Puckhog04

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]Halo PC is better than both. Spartan070

I know it does, just felt like saying it. Heh, don't take it personally...

[QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]Halo PC is better than both. Puckhog04

I know it does, just felt like saying it. Heh, don't take it personally...

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]Halo PC is better than both. Spartan070

I know it does, just felt like saying it. Heh, don't take it personally...

What would System Wars be without sabre rattling? lol :P 

[QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="Spartan070"][QUOTE="Puckhog04"]Halo PC is better than both. AdobeArtist

I know it does, just felt like saying it. Heh, don't take it personally...

What would System Wars be without sabre rattling? lol :P