How much of a waste is the PS Vita?

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#1 Edited by Bigboi500 (29690 posts) -

Sony spent so much money developing the system, adding nice tech and such... but for what? Is there any game that takes advantage of the hardware? I don't mean feature-wise I mean graphically.

Why did they even bother making the system to just throw in the towel so easily?

#2 Posted by BldgIrsh (2335 posts) -

How much does it weigh? It's that much of a waste.

#3 Posted by KBFloYd (13507 posts) -

oh boy here we go again..

#4 Edited by Bigboi500 (29690 posts) -

Can you imagine the great handheld games that would have been possible if Sony handled things differently? Vita has to be the least company supported system ever.

#5 Posted by ninjapirate2000 (3027 posts) -

Vita means life.

#6 Posted by yokofox33 (29544 posts) -

Vita is love. Vita is life.

#7 Edited by santoron (7718 posts) -

Vita means life.

#vitameanslife

With all the attention it gets from trolls around here it must be doing something good...

#8 Posted by lostrib (36230 posts) -

lolvita

#9 Posted by Desmonic (13842 posts) -

Vita means life.

Vita is love. Vita is life.

@santoron said:

#vitameanslife

With all the attention it gets from trolls around here it must be doing something good...

#20V1T4

#10 Posted by hehe101 (769 posts) -

flop

#11 Posted by Blabadon (26166 posts) -

A huge waste of potential.

It's just a shame Nintendo decided to lay an egg with their handheld this generation as well.

#12 Posted by evildead6789 (7644 posts) -

Sony spent so much money developing the system, adding nice tech and such... but for what? Is there any game that takes advantage of the hardware? I don't mean feature-wise I mean graphically.

Why did they even bother making the system to just throw in the towel so easily?

everything with the name sony on it, is a waste

#13 Edited by B4X (4417 posts) -

@Bigboi500 said:

Sony spent so much money developing the system, adding nice tech and such... but for what? Is there any game that takes advantage of the hardware? I don't mean feature-wise I mean graphically.

Why did they even bother making the system to just throw in the towel so easily?

I'm still wondering why they didn't add phone support to the Vita...They just bought out Ericson. I thought for damn sure they would have deals with phone services in place..

It think with phone integration the Vita would have been a huge success. Whether these handheld manufactures want to face it or not...You have to challenge the phone market. Sony was primed to do just that. Then they shit in their hand.

People need to be fired still in that company.

Walks into Sprint, ATT, or Verison...has the option to get a Vita for a all in one device...

/boat sailed

#14 Posted by Bigboi500 (29690 posts) -

I don't give a rat's ass about more features. Sony made the damn thing so why couldn't they make games specifically for the Vita with its hardware in mind?

#15 Edited by B4X (4417 posts) -

I don't give a rat's ass about more features. Sony made the damn thing so why couldn't they make games specifically for the Vita with its hardware in mind?

With the Phone feature they may have sold more? A lot more?

More games? Less risk to reward..

#16 Edited by Blabadon (26166 posts) -

I don't give a rat's ass about more features. Sony made the damn thing so why couldn't they make games specifically for the Vita with its hardware in mind?

They did

#17 Posted by Bigboi500 (29690 posts) -

@Blabadon said:

@Bigboi500 said:

I don't give a rat's ass about more features. Sony made the damn thing so why couldn't they make games specifically for the Vita with its hardware in mind?

They did

A select few that didn't push the hardware in any way. Nothing like what we all hoped for when they announced the system. Looks like they never will either.

#18 Posted by silversix_ (14337 posts) -

1.2% more than a WiiU.

#19 Posted by Bigboi500 (29690 posts) -

1.2% more than a WiiU.

Unlike Sony, Nintendo is supporting the Wii U.

#20 Posted by lostrib (36230 posts) -

@Blabadon said:

A huge waste of potential.

Yeah, although I don't know where he gets the idea that there aren't games that push the hardware

#21 Posted by Bigboi500 (29690 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@Blabadon said:

A huge waste of potential.

Yeah, although I don't know where he gets the idea that there aren't games that push the hardware

You mean console ports? I'm not really sure that's what Sony had in mind when designing the Vita hardware.

#22 Edited by Shadowchronicle (26004 posts) -

You can't argue 3DS features are better when a vita hasn't got the games to prove it yet!

@Bigboi500 said:

@lostrib said:

@Blabadon said:

A huge waste of potential.

Yeah, although I don't know where he gets the idea that there aren't games that push the hardware

You mean console ports? I'm not really sure that's what Sony had in mind when designing the Vita hardware.

Do you have some vendetta against the vita?

The way you're acting in this topic is as if someone talked about how a vita is better than a 3DS and then you went on the forums to post a topic and rage about it.

#23 Edited by Bigboi500 (29690 posts) -

You can't argue 3DS features are better when they aren't just because there is no games on the vita.

@Bigboi500 said:

@lostrib said:

@Blabadon said:

A huge waste of potential.

Yeah, although I don't know where he gets the idea that there aren't games that push the hardware

You mean console ports? I'm not really sure that's what Sony had in mind when designing the Vita hardware.

Do you have some vendetta against the vita?

The way you're acting in this topic is as if someone talked about how a vita is better than a 3DS and then you went on the forums to post a topic and rage about it.

I own them both. If anything, I'm upset that Sony isn't supporting the Vita properly. You seem way off base on several levels, namely the feature comment. I expressly said features are the least of my concerns about the Vita.

I'm simply trying to discuss the wasted potential of this $200 system I bought. Mostly what I'm getting is "vita means life" idiocy instead of real discussion. Seems some people are in denial about the situation of their dearly beloved handjoy.

#24 Posted by silversix_ (14337 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@Blabadon said:

A huge waste of potential.

Yeah, although I don't know where he gets the idea that there aren't games that push the hardware

You mean console ports? I'm not really sure that's what Sony had in mind when designing the Vita hardware.

with the yearly Mario. Fun...

#25 Edited by Shadowchronicle (26004 posts) -

>You seem way off base on several levels, namely the feature comment.

I'm fully aware of what both systems can do. But putting aside the games a Vita is obviously better in build quality and graphics. Neither of those matter unless you have video games though. If you want to talk about features and which one is the best at multitasking the Vita definitely beats the 3DS in that category. There's hardly anything that's impressive about a 3DS other than the two screens. Sure you have 3D but it isn't something people are concerned about when they're buying a handheld.

Of course features don't matter when you don't have games because the customer won't use those features unless they actually have interest in the handheld.

Only someone who thinks backwards would think a 3DS has more features. At most, a person can say is that Nintendo made a handheld focused primarily on gaming by sacrificing features.

There's nothing wrong with that seeing as how they focusing on gaming got them the sales.

#26 Posted by Bigboi500 (29690 posts) -
If you want to talk about features

That's the thing, I don't. :P I want to discuss why Sony went to all the trouble to make the system as capable as they did, but then just put ports and indies on it? Why build a race car to just drive it to the grocery store?

#27 Posted by Shadowchronicle (26004 posts) -

Oh well that's easy. They thought they were gonna beat other handhelds with a powerhouse. Look at what they do with a PS4, It's the same concept. Part of the problem with them selling handheld devices is they treat them like mini consoles and expect people to buy them.

They don't know how to sell a handheld period.

#28 Edited by inb4uall (5506 posts) -

@santoron said:

@ninjapirate2000 said:

Vita means life.

#vitameanslife

With all the attention it gets from trolls around here it must be doing something good...

Not even close. It gets attention because it has so much potential that was wasted.

#29 Posted by Chocobo_PS2 (39 posts) -

Vita is good, it is just western is bad. Looks at ps3 where western develop games only to be single player type games exist on multiplatform which in case I prefer on pc for ssd speed loading and gerenal better framerate. Or multiplayer means trolling/cheating/trashtalking/ddos/blonde stereo-type/play only to get credits from other people and many more. Those thing didn't happen where I play Japan game online unless there is influence of western players, warmongers related especially.

#30 Posted by Ballroompirate (22788 posts) -

@Blabadon said:

A huge waste of potential.

It's just a shame Nintendo decided to lay an egg with their handheld this generation as well.

In terms of hardware it failed pretty bad (lol 3D), what saved the 3ds and making it own so much is the amazing games (which we haven't had one in awhile).

#31 Posted by Bigboi500 (29690 posts) -

Oh well that's easy. They thought they were gonna beat other handhelds with a powerhouse. Look at what they do with a PS4, It's the same concept. Part of the problem with them selling handheld devices is they treat them like mini consoles and expect people to buy them.

They don't know how to sell a handheld period.

I'm thinking Sony must have been under different management when the Vita development process was happening. Probably the same as during the PSP era. They've since re-structured and cut/sold equity to compensate for so many bad decisions and expenditures. I can't imagine under the current leadership that another handheld system venture will ever see the light of day for Sony.

#32 Posted by Shadowchronicle (26004 posts) -

@shadowchronicle said:

Oh well that's easy. They thought they were gonna beat other handhelds with a powerhouse. Look at what they do with a PS4, It's the same concept. Part of the problem with them selling handheld devices is they treat them like mini consoles and expect people to buy them.

They don't know how to sell a handheld period.

I'm thinking Sony must have been under different management when the Vita development process was happening. Probably the same as during the PSP era. They've since re-structured and cut/sold equity to compensate for so many bad decisions and expenditures. I can't imagine under the current leadership that another handheld system venture will ever see the light of day for Sony.

Yeah, this might be the last generation of handhelds. From here on out any new gaming handhelds will probably be phone hybrids of some sort or no handhelds at all. It's pretty dumb but that is the direction we're heading for if people want new features. I remember saying this a couple of years ago and people thought what I said was ridiculous (probably because they thought I was some apple fanatic or something). I don't really like handheld gaming going down that path but it is pretty evident it will.

I hope Sony doesn't make anymore handhelds though. It seems like they dig themselves in a deeper hole the two times they did it.

#33 Posted by Ballroompirate (22788 posts) -

@Bigboi500 said:

@shadowchronicle said:

Oh well that's easy. They thought they were gonna beat other handhelds with a powerhouse. Look at what they do with a PS4, It's the same concept. Part of the problem with them selling handheld devices is they treat them like mini consoles and expect people to buy them.

They don't know how to sell a handheld period.

I'm thinking Sony must have been under different management when the Vita development process was happening. Probably the same as during the PSP era. They've since re-structured and cut/sold equity to compensate for so many bad decisions and expenditures. I can't imagine under the current leadership that another handheld system venture will ever see the light of day for Sony.

Yeah, this might be the last generation of handhelds. From here on out any new gaming handhelds will probably be phone hybrids of some sort or no handhelds at all. It's pretty dumb but that is the direction we're heading for if people want new features. I remember saying this a couple of years ago and people thought what I said was ridiculous (probably because they thought I was some apple fanatic or something). I don't really like handheld gaming going down that path but it is pretty evident it will.

I hope Sony doesn't make anymore handhelds though. It seems like they dig themselves in a deeper hole the two times they did it.

Actually the 3DS is doing pretty well so I still see Nintendo doing handhelds for another 2 gens at the very least. As for Son'y they'll probably throw in the towl since they can't really catch a break in the HH market.

As for cell phones replacing HH's I just don't see it, it's such a niche market it's pretty sad. There's maybe 1 out of 30+ games that actually do well on the android market.

#34 Posted by commonfate (12292 posts) -

As for cell phones replacing HH's I just don't see it, it's such a niche market it's pretty sad. There's maybe 1 out of 30+ games that actually do well on the android market.

That seems like an incredibly generous estimate. It's probably a lot worse.

#35 Posted by santoron (7718 posts) -

@inb4uall said:

Not even close. It gets attention because it has so much potential that was wasted.

:|

It's a game player that plays games. Potential fulfilled.

The Vita's attach rate has been insanely good. So obviously the average Vita owner seems to be finding plenty of games they want to play on it.

#36 Edited by Blabadon (26166 posts) -

@Blabadon said:

A huge waste of potential.

It's just a shame Nintendo decided to lay an egg with their handheld this generation as well.

In terms of hardware it failed pretty bad (lol 3D), what saved the 3ds and making it own so much is the amazing games (which we haven't had one in awhile).

The 3DS has like four games I would qualify as great, tops.

#37 Posted by Ballroompirate (22788 posts) -

@Blabadon said:

@Ballroompirate said:

@Blabadon said:

A huge waste of potential.

It's just a shame Nintendo decided to lay an egg with their handheld this generation as well.

In terms of hardware it failed pretty bad (lol 3D), what saved the 3ds and making it own so much is the amazing games (which we haven't had one in awhile).

The 3DS has like four games I would qualify as great, tops.

I'd say

  • Monster Hunter 3 ULT
  • Pokemon X/Y
  • Fire Emblem Awakening
  • Animal Crossing New Leaf
  • LoZ AlbW
  • RE Revelations
  • SMGT IV

Are all worth getting, haven't played Braverly Default so I can't comment on that.

#38 Posted by inb4uall (5506 posts) -

@santoron said:

@inb4uall said:

Not even close. It gets attention because it has so much potential that was wasted.

:|

It's a game player that plays games. Potential fulfilled.

The Vita's attach rate has been insanely good. So obviously the average Vita owner seems to be finding plenty of games they want to play on it.

You're smarter than this.

#39 Posted by commonfate (12292 posts) -

It's not about the graphics, it's about the gameplay - swashbuckleyroo

#40 Edited by Bigboi500 (29690 posts) -

Ohh kay since this thread is turning into a list wars thread I'll add my two cents on the 3DS and Vita libraries and their great titles so far.

Vita:

LBPV

Gravity Rush

Tearaway

P4G

Ys: Memories of Celceta

Soul Sacrifice

Toukiden: The Age of Demons

3DS:

TLoZ: A Link Between Worlds

Animal Crossing: New Leaf

Shin Megami Tensei IV

Bravely Default

Fire Emblem: Awakening

Pokemon Y

Mario Gold: World Tour

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Shadow Wars

Kid Icarus: Uprising

Tales of the Abyss

Mario Kart 7

Super Mario 3D Land

Rune Factory 4

Mario & Luigi: Dream Team

#41 Posted by MortalDecayX (60 posts) -

Sigh.... I wish the Vita had better support. The only time I use mine, anymore, is when I use it for remote play. If it wasn't for that, I would have gotten rid of it a long time ago.

#42 Posted by Heirren (16913 posts) -

Sony spent so much money developing the system, adding nice tech and such... but for what? Is there any game that takes advantage of the hardware? I don't mean feature-wise I mean graphically.

Why did they even bother making the system to just throw in the towel so easily?

I agree. I think if you were to ask a gamer what a great portable would look like its design would be similar to the Vita. My issue with it is that it sits in that in between area; where it is not small enough and not big enough at the same time. Shrink it down a tad and it becomes more portable, or make it larger since at its current size it really does need a separate bag.

Sony should have taken the risk and added phone functions to the Vita. I wonder if people would have bought it in this case.

#44 Posted by SolidGame_basic (17465 posts) -

Vita gets a lot of hate from non-owners. I've had this thing since launch and Sony did showcase the hardware with games like Golden Abyss, Killzone Mercenary, Gravity Rush, LBP, Tearaway, and Soul Sacrifice. The real problem is that people didn't show up to buy the system. That launch year is crucial. Look at PS4 - there aren't any must buy exclusives to get, but because people are buying it, we are in for a great gen.

#45 Posted by Desmonic (13842 posts) -

Sony spent so much money developing the system, adding nice tech and such... but for what? Is there any game that takes advantage of the hardware? I don't mean feature-wise I mean graphically.

Why did they even bother making the system to just throw in the towel so easily?

A select few that didn't push the hardware in any way. Nothing like what we all hoped for when they announced the system. Looks like they never will either.

Preeeettttyyyyyy sure that Golden Abyss, a launch title, still shits on 95% of other handheld games. Thus there isn't a need to continally push graphics (as it's usually driven by a real need of beating your rival/s).

Liberation and Killzone are on a whole different level than Golden Abyss. These 3 push the hardware decently enough. Granted, the lack of AAA devs/games means that these are few and rare, but it's not like there aren't titles that do try to push the hardware.

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The rest are some rethorical questions though. It's not like any of us works at Sony or can explain why they gave up on it so easily (especially coming off the massive effort that was the PS3). It's not like it's a bad system either; as far as hardware is concerned it's literally the best handheld ever built. Unless Yoshida or someone else says anything, I don't think we'll get many answers regardind this.

The reality is that it has a ton of potential and Sony just decided to make it an indie machine (which btw, isn't nearly as bad as it sounds. Rogue Legacy+Minecraft+Spelunky+others on the go? Awesome as fuck!).

I think they could turn it around with a much smaller effort than what was needed to do so with the PS3, but for whatever reason they simply aren't interested.

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Anyway, unrustle your jimmies and enjoy the Master Race. Vita is love, Vita is life! :D

#46 Posted by speedfreak48t5p (7490 posts) -
@Desmonic said:

@Bigboi500 said:

Sony spent so much money developing the system, adding nice tech and such... but for what? Is there any game that takes advantage of the hardware? I don't mean feature-wise I mean graphically.

Why did they even bother making the system to just throw in the towel so easily?

@Bigboi500 said:

A select few that didn't push the hardware in any way. Nothing like what we all hoped for when they announced the system. Looks like they never will either.

Preeeettttyyyyyy sure that Golden Abyss, a launch title, still shits on 95% of other handheld games. Thus there isn't a need to continally push graphics (as it's usually driven by a real need of beating your rival/s).

Liberation and Killzone are on a whole different level than Golden Abyss. These 3 push the hardware decently enough. Granted, the lack of AAA devs/games means that these are few and rare, but it's not like there aren't titles that do try to push the hardware.

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The rest are some rethorical questions though. It's not like any of us works at Sony or can explain why they gave up on it so easily (especially coming off the massive effort that was the PS3). It's not like it's a bad system either; as far as hardware is concerned it's literally the best handheld ever built. Unless Yoshida or someone else says anything, I don't think we'll get many answers regardind this.

The reality is that it has a ton of potential and Sony just decided to make it an indie machine (which btw, isn't nearly as bad as it sounds. Rogue Legacy+Minecraft+Spelunky+others on the go? Awesome as fuck!).

I think they could turn it around with a much smaller effort than what was needed to do so with the PS3, but for whatever reason they simply aren't interested.

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Anyway, unrustle your jimmies and enjoy the Master Race. Vita is love, Vita is life! :D

No one's jimmies are being rustled by a system with no games.

#47 Edited by Desmonic (13842 posts) -

@speedfreak48t5p: It sure doesn't seem like that :D If it didn't rustle any jimmies no one would bother to mention it, much like mobile games in SW :D

And lol at no games brah :P

#48 Posted by speedfreak48t5p (7490 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

@speedfreak48t5p: It sure doesn't seem like that :D If it didn't rustle any jimmies no one would bother to mention it, much like mobile games in SW :D

We like to laugh at things that are jokes/failures. That's why the Vita and mobile gets mentioned so much.

#49 Posted by Desmonic (13842 posts) -

@speedfreak48t5p:lolwut. Mobile rarely gets mentioned here. The Vita is a pretty common topic on SW lol Dem haters keep on hating. Dem rustled jimmies!

#50 Posted by mems_1224 (47022 posts) -

I dont feel bad for anyone dumb enough to buy a Vita.