How can most of you say that Next consoles have more power then current PC's?

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"]My god that PSU is horrible.04dcarraher

From my own experiences with "generic" PSUs, they're fine so long as you don't have a power-hungry card like the 6670 and 6770.

Also from my own experiences..... Nvidia cards tend to be more fussy with PSUs. I have a Diablotek 700w PSU (not being used at the moment) which handled my 5770 just fine. Then when I moved to a GTX 560 Ti, the Diablotek started overheating.

There you go. So long as the GPU isn't a power hog, the lesser known PSUs are fine. Actually, I did put the Diablotek back in use in my kid's PC which now has the 5770.

PC hardware is sold with a hefty profit markup, console hardware is sold at a loss... and is far more efficient in terms of design.

thats how consoles compete with PC.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

From my own experiences with "generic" PSUs, they're fine so long as you don't have a power-hungry card like the 6670 and 6770.

Also from my own experiences..... Nvidia cards tend to be more fussy with PSUs. I have a Diablotek 700w PSU (not being used at the moment) which handled my 5770 just fine. Then when I moved to a GTX 560 Ti, the Diablotek started overheating.

jun_aka_pekto

There you go. So long as the GPU isn't a power hog, the lesser known PSUs are fine. Actually, I did put the Diablotek back in use in my kid's PC which now has the 5770.

every budget PSU ive bought has ended with a puff of smoke and the scent of an electrical fire. Even if it wasnt a necessarily power hungry system. Granted yes, you can usually get a couple years out of it, before that familiar little puff of smoke pops out the rear of your tower.

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

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jun_aka_pekto

You forgot the OS and GPU.

Mine's more conventional. The price is $392 with a dualcore athlon X2 3.4ghz CPU and an AMD HD 6670 plus 4gb RAM and Windows 8.

It's not bad considering I won't have to buy a separate PC like I would if I had only a console.

from my viewpoint:

Gaming PC = console + non-gaming PC

I like mine better

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It's a quad core plus with the APU and GPU in crossfire for DX10/11 titles you'll get a performance advantage over than athlon X2 and 6670. Plus it comes in a console sized form factor so it's easy to carry around and not a giant monster in the living room hooked up to the TV

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] That's because diablotek psu's suck and the power strain on the 12v rail is more with the GTX 560 then 5770.

BeardMaster

There you go. So long as the GPU isn't a power hog, the lesser known PSUs are fine. Actually, I did put the Diablotek back in use in my kid's PC which now has the 5770.

every budget PSU ive bought has ended with a puff of smoke and the scent of an electrical fire. Even if it wasnt a necessarily power hungry system. Granted yes, you can usually get a couple years out of it, before that familiar little puff of smoke pops out the rear of your tower.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

There you go. So long as the GPU isn't a power hog, the lesser known PSUs are fine. Actually, I did put the Diablotek back in use in my kid's PC which now has the 5770.

04dcarraher

every budget PSU ive bought has ended with a puff of smoke and the scent of an electrical fire. Even if it wasnt a necessarily power hungry system. Granted yes, you can usually get a couple years out of it, before that familiar little puff of smoke pops out the rear of your tower.

no idea what mine were, they were the ones included with the tower. One of em i had to bust out the soldering iron just to get it working. Luckily ive never had any component damage when my PSU kicked the bucket... but its easily worth it to spend the extra $20-50 to get a PSU that isnt garbage, in my experience.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

every budget PSU ive bought has ended with a puff of smoke and the scent of an electrical fire. Even if it wasnt a necessarily power hungry system. Granted yes, you can usually get a couple years out of it, before that familiar little puff of smoke pops out the rear of your tower.

BeardMaster

no idea what mine were, they were the ones included with the tower. One of em i had to bust out the soldering iron just to get it working. Luckily ive never had any component damage when my PSU kicked the bucket... but its easily worth it to spend the extra $20-50 to get a PSU that isnt garbage, in my experience.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] That's because diablotek psu's suck and the power strain on the 12v rail is more with the GTX 560 then 5770.

BeardMaster

There you go. So long as the GPU isn't a power hog, the lesser known PSUs are fine. Actually, I did put the Diablotek back in use in my kid's PC which now has the 5770.

every budget PSU ive bought has ended with a puff of smoke and the scent of an electrical fire. Even if it wasnt a necessarily power hungry system. Granted yes, you can usually get a couple years out of it, before that familiar little puff of smoke pops out the rear of your tower.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

There you go. So long as the GPU isn't a power hog, the lesser known PSUs are fine. Actually, I did put the Diablotek back in use in my kid's PC which now has the 5770.

DragonfireXZ95

every budget PSU ive bought has ended with a puff of smoke and the scent of an electrical fire. Even if it wasnt a necessarily power hungry system. Granted yes, you can usually get a couple years out of it, before that familiar little puff of smoke pops out the rear of your tower.

i got an OCZ and rosewill chugging along in my 2 towers... its only been the bottom of the barrel PSUs ive had any problems with, anything relatively namebrand seems to work well. I assume it involves something about trying to save a few cents at the expense of the guage of the connection and the shielding of the wires.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

every budget PSU ive bought has ended with a puff of smoke and the scent of an electrical fire. Even if it wasnt a necessarily power hungry system. Granted yes, you can usually get a couple years out of it, before that familiar little puff of smoke pops out the rear of your tower.

BeardMaster

i got an OCZ and rosewill chugging along in my 2 towers... its only been the bottom of the barrel PSUs ive had any problems with, anything relatively namebrand seems to work well. I assume it involves something about trying to save a few cents at the expense of the guage of the connection and the shielding of the wires.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] This is why I pretty much stick to Corsair or Antec.DragonfireXZ95

i got an OCZ and rosewill chugging along in my 2 towers... its only been the bottom of the barrel PSUs ive had any problems with, anything relatively namebrand seems to work well. I assume it involves something about trying to save a few cents at the expense of the guage of the connection and the shielding of the wires.

I have a Rosewill Bronze 1000w Modular PSU and it's amazing

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] This is why I pretty much stick to Corsair or Antec.DragonfireXZ95

i got an OCZ and rosewill chugging along in my 2 towers... its only been the bottom of the barrel PSUs ive had any problems with, anything relatively namebrand seems to work well. I assume it involves something about trying to save a few cents at the expense of the guage of the connection and the shielding of the wires.

well the rosewill was kind of a budget buy after my GFs PSU **** the bed. Her entire comp (my old build) actually crapped out on her to the point where it wasnt worth trying to repair. But i dont think the PSU was at fault, i put some probes to the board (im no electrical engineer) and it seemed like it was still giving power.

of course maybe the rosewill fried the MB, soooooo.... i dunno. Maybe we should take rosewill off the table.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]My god that PSU is horrible.jun_aka_pekto

From my own experiences with "generic" PSUs, they're fine so long as you don't have a power-hungry card like the 6670 and 6770.

Also from my own experiences..... Nvidia cards tend to be more fussy with PSUs. I have a Diablotek 700w PSU (not being used at the moment) which handled my 5770 just fine. Then when I moved to a GTX 560 Ti, the Diablotek started overheating.

Wii U certainly isn't seeing as how Star Citizen won't be able to run on it :P

NoodleFighter

Star Citizen doesn't look as good as it's demanding, imo.

Also, it's a shame Factor 5 aren't around anymore to make a new Rogue Squadron game for Nintendo and showcase what the console's really capable of.

I don't see next gen consoles outperforming the i7 3770k. Keep dreaming.

Has anyone said that legitamately yet? I don't really recall a single person here saying that without them either trolling or being incredibly stupid.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Look at that... Shocking that you couldn't find a suitable rebuttal:roll:

How long did it take you?

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Why would I do a poll to prove your assertion? You got that ass-backwards, bro.

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You're an idiot.

lundy86_4

you are an idiot.

Clearly, for even debating this with you. You've yet to prove any of your initial assertions :lol:

you simply can't deny that pc games cost less, and also gamers buy at least 10 games per year.

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

Wii U certainly isn't seeing as how Star Citizen won't be able to run on it :P

nameless12345

Star Citizen doesn't look as good as it's demanding, imo.

Also, it's a shame Factor 5 aren't around anymore to make a new Rogue Squadron game for Nintendo and showcase what the console's really capable of.

How do you know how much the game is demanding? System requirements aren't accurate enough and the game is far from done. At the GDC online conference showing some of the Alpha, it's been said that each space ship is about 300,000 polys and the hangar is just under 2,000,000 polys, this game is going to utilize 4GB of RAM which exceeds how much the Wii U has (2GB). Also this game just isn't about looks seem to forget the scale they're going for with this game. This isn't a typical linear game.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

Wii U certainly isn't seeing as how Star Citizen won't be able to run on it :P

NoodleFighter

Star Citizen doesn't look as good as it's demanding, imo.

Also, it's a shame Factor 5 aren't around anymore to make a new Rogue Squadron game for Nintendo and showcase what the console's really capable of.

How do you know how much the game is demanding? System requirements aren't accurate enough and the game is far from done. At the GDC online conference showing some of the Alpha, it's been said that each space ship is about 300,000 polys and the hangar is just under 2,000,000 polys, this game is going to utilize 4GB of RAM which exceeds how much the Wii U has (2GB). Also this game just isn't about looks seem to forget the scale they're going for with this game. This isn't a typical linear game.

I've seen the trailer/teaser for the game and while it doesn't look bad, I also don't think it looks all that impressive, visually.

Technically it might be, but I don't see anything that would justify a GTX 460 just to run the game (which is what the proposed system requirements are).

It's possible to have open-ended games on hardware with much less memory than that.

Star Citizen doesn't look as good as it's demanding, imo.

nameless12345

It's possible to have open-ended games on hardware with much less memory than that.

nameless12345

you simply can't deny that pc games cost less, and also gamers buy at least 10 games per year.

MK-Professor

I can't deny that PC games cost less, no. That's not the intent of my argument. However, I would like to see you back up your figures with sources. How do you know how many games the average person buys, plus what the average person spends? Do you have an sources to back up the information?

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We're going back and forth. You assume way too much, to say that your argument is based in fact. It is not.

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Star Citizen doesn't look as good as it's demanding, imo.

Also, it's a shame Factor 5 aren't around anymore to make a new Rogue Squadron game for Nintendo and showcase what the console's really capable of.

nameless12345

How do you know how much the game is demanding? System requirements aren't accurate enough and the game is far from done. At the GDC online conference showing some of the Alpha, it's been said that each space ship is about 300,000 polys and the hangar is just under 2,000,000 polys, this game is going to utilize 4GB of RAM which exceeds how much the Wii U has (2GB). Also this game just isn't about looks seem to forget the scale they're going for with this game. This isn't a typical linear game.

I've seen the trailer/teaser for the game and while it doesn't look bad, I also don't think it looks all that impressive, visually.

Technically it might be, but I don't see anything that would justify a GTX 460 just to run the game (which is what the proposed system requirements are).

It's possible to have open-ended games on hardware with much less memory than that.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

How do you know how much the game is demanding? System requirements aren't accurate enough and the game is far from done. At the GDC online conference showing some of the Alpha, it's been said that each space ship is about 300,000 polys and the hangar is just under 2,000,000 polys, this game is going to utilize 4GB of RAM which exceeds how much the Wii U has (2GB). Also this game just isn't about looks seem to forget the scale they're going for with this game. This isn't a typical linear game.

clyde46

I've seen the trailer/teaser for the game and while it doesn't look bad, I also don't think it looks all that impressive, visually.

Technically it might be, but I don't see anything that would justify a GTX 460 just to run the game (which is what the proposed system requirements are).

It's possible to have open-ended games on hardware with much less memory than that.

The graphics card won't be used for AI calculation tho.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Star Citizen doesn't look as good as it's demanding, imo.

skrat_01

I cannot see the physics, AI, ect. in that vid...

And again, I doubt the graphics card will calculate that (maybe some physics but Physx effects are just eye candy anyway).

Who says this? They will be much better than current gen, but that's not hard as these consoles are 7 year old.

#1 I don't think next en consoles will be better then current gen PC's

#2 there are some major problems with your agruement though. More $$$ does not = better hardware. The Mac line is a great example of this. PC's are indeed better, but it certainly isn't because of their price tag anlone.

Jonwh18

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

I've seen the trailer/teaser for the game and while it doesn't look bad, I also don't think it looks all that impressive, visually.

Technically it might be, but I don't see anything that would justify a GTX 460 just to run the game (which is what the proposed system requirements are).

It's possible to have open-ended games on hardware with much less memory than that.

nameless12345

The graphics card won't be used for AI calculation tho.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

you simply can't deny that pc games cost less, and also gamers buy at least 10 games per year.

lundy86_4

I can't deny that PC games cost less, no. That's not the intent of my argument. However, I would like to see you back up your figures with sources. How do you know how many games the average person buys, plus what the average person spends? Do you have an sources to back up the information?

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We're going back and forth. You assume way too much, to say that your argument is based in fact. It is not.

it is common sense, gamers (not people that are not gamers) buys around 12 games per year.

it is common sense, gamers (not people that are not gamers) buys around 12 games per year.

MK-Professor

Learn what common sense is, then understand that what you said was complete crap. Look, you have no idea what you are talking about, and you are passing it off like you do. Just stop, it's sad.

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] There's more to a high end PC game than just graphics. There is heavy CPU calculation as well as massive AI patterns. clyde46

The graphics card won't be used for AI calculation tho.

It can be. Thanks to DX11'sdirect compute you can tap into the hundreds of cores on a GPU to do accellerate certian types of calculations. Not everything relating to AI can be done efficiently ona GPU, but I'd wager a lot can be.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Star Citizen doesn't look as good as it's demanding, imo.

nameless12345

I cannot see the physics, AI, ect. in that vid...

And again, I doubt the graphics card will calculate that (maybe some physics but Physx effects are just eye candy anyway).

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Star Citizen doesn't look as good as it's demanding, imo.

nameless12345

I cannot see the physics, AI, ect. in that vid...

And again, I doubt the graphics card will calculate that (maybe some physics but Physx effects are just eye candy anyway).

I doubt most games will actually show the physics because visualizing it would just use up more resources for something most gamers would not care to see. However, X-Plane 9 will show the forces acting on an aircraft if you wish to see it:

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] That's because diablotek psu's suck and the power strain on the 12v rail is more with the GTX 560 then 5770.

BeardMaster

There you go. So long as the GPU isn't a power hog, the lesser known PSUs are fine. Actually, I did put the Diablotek back in use in my kid's PC which now has the 5770.

every budget PSU ive bought has ended with a puff of smoke and the scent of an electrical fire. Even if it wasnt a necessarily power hungry system. Granted yes, you can usually get a couple years out of it, before that familiar little puff of smoke pops out the rear of your tower.

Not mine. I've been assembling PCs since 1992. Not a single generic PSU that came with the case ever belched out any smoke. The worst that ever happened is simply the PSU powering off the whole PC. Those didn't start happening until the early 2000's. It was hard to figure out if it was really the PSU or not because that period was at the height of the Capacitor Plague (2001-2006) although I didn't know it yet at the time. I started buying dedicated PSUs at 2005. But, even good, name-brand PSUs weren't immune to defective capacitors.

Things should be better now though. I bought that 700w Diablotek back in 2009. It still works with the 5770. It actually works still with the GTX 560 Ti. What I didn't like was it heating up (together with the GTX 560 Ti) more than I felt comfortable in maxed out Crysis 2. That's the only game where heating up seemed to be a problem. Most games (including FSX, Crysis, and Warhead) are fine with it. Regardless, I replaced the Diablotek with a 750w CoolerMaster.

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

There you go. So long as the GPU isn't a power hog, the lesser known PSUs are fine. Actually, I did put the Diablotek back in use in my kid's PC which now has the 5770.

DragonfireXZ95

every budget PSU ive bought has ended with a puff of smoke and the scent of an electrical fire. Even if it wasnt a necessarily power hungry system. Granted yes, you can usually get a couple years out of it, before that familiar little puff of smoke pops out the rear of your tower.

Antec kicked the bucket for me before.

I like mine better

It's a quad core plus with the APU and GPU in crossfire for DX10/11 titles you'll get a performance advantage over than athlon X2 and 6670. Plus it comes in a console sized form factor so it's easy to carry around and not a giant monster in the living room hooked up to the TV

NoodleFighter

Are you going to make me add that up? I started to. But, I decided I'll take your word that it's a better deal.

:lol:

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

There you go. So long as the GPU isn't a power hog, the lesser known PSUs are fine. Actually, I did put the Diablotek back in use in my kid's PC which now has the 5770.

jun_aka_pekto

every budget PSU ive bought has ended with a puff of smoke and the scent of an electrical fire. Even if it wasnt a necessarily power hungry system. Granted yes, you can usually get a couple years out of it, before that familiar little puff of smoke pops out the rear of your tower.

Not mine. I've been assembling PCs since 1992. Not a single generic PSU that came with the case ever belched out any smoke. The worst that ever happened is simply the PSU powering off the whole PC. Those didn't start happening until the early 2000's. It was hard to figure out if it was really the PSU or not because that period was at the height of the Capacitor Plague (2001-2006) although I didn't know it yet at the time. I started buying dedicated PSUs at 2005. But, even good, name-brand PSUs weren't immune to defective capacitors.

Things should be better now though. I bought that 700w Diablotek back in 2009. It still works with the 5770. It actually works still with the GTX 560 Ti. What I didn't like was it heating up (together with the GTX 560 Ti) more than I felt comfortable in maxed out Crysis 2. That's the only game where heating up seemed to be a problem. Most games (including FSX, Crysis, and Warhead) are fine with it. Regardless, I replaced the Diablotek with a 750w CoolerMaster.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

every budget PSU ive bought has ended with a puff of smoke and the scent of an electrical fire. Even if it wasnt a necessarily power hungry system. Granted yes, you can usually get a couple years out of it, before that familiar little puff of smoke pops out the rear of your tower.

clyde46

Not mine. I've been assembling PCs since 1992. Not a single generic PSU that came with the case ever belched out any smoke. The worst that ever happened is simply the PSU powering off the whole PC. Those didn't start happening until the early 2000's. It was hard to figure out if it was really the PSU or not because that period was at the height of the Capacitor Plague (2001-2006) although I didn't know it yet at the time. I started buying dedicated PSUs at 2005. But, even good, name-brand PSUs weren't immune to defective capacitors.

Things should be better now though. I bought that 700w Diablotek back in 2009. It still works with the 5770. It actually works still with the GTX 560 Ti. What I didn't like was it heating up (together with the GTX 560 Ti) more than I felt comfortable in maxed out Crysis 2. That's the only game where heating up seemed to be a problem. Most games (including FSX, Crysis, and Warhead) are fine with it. Regardless, I replaced the Diablotek with a 750w CoolerMaster.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

every budget PSU ive bought has ended with a puff of smoke and the scent of an electrical fire. Even if it wasnt a necessarily power hungry system. Granted yes, you can usually get a couple years out of it, before that familiar little puff of smoke pops out the rear of your tower.

clyde46

Not mine. I've been assembling PCs since 1992. Not a single generic PSU that came with the case ever belched out any smoke. The worst that ever happened is simply the PSU powering off the whole PC. Those didn't start happening until the early 2000's. It was hard to figure out if it was really the PSU or not because that period was at the height of the Capacitor Plague (2001-2006) although I didn't know it yet at the time. I started buying dedicated PSUs at 2005. But, even good, name-brand PSUs weren't immune to defective capacitors.

Things should be better now though. I bought that 700w Diablotek back in 2009. It still works with the 5770. It actually works still with the GTX 560 Ti. What I didn't like was it heating up (together with the GTX 560 Ti) more than I felt comfortable in maxed out Crysis 2. That's the only game where heating up seemed to be a problem. Most games (including FSX, Crysis, and Warhead) are fine with it. Regardless, I replaced the Diablotek with a 750w CoolerMaster.

Actually, The Diablotek I have is 650w, not 700w (Diablotek PHD650).....my bad. It's +12v rating is 38A/456w according to its sticker.

According to here:

http://forum-en.msi.com/faq/article/printer/power-requirements-for-graphics-cards

A GTX 560 Ti needs 31A while a 5770 needs 34A as a minimum. I am quite surprised to see the 5770 has a bigger minimum than a 560 Ti although the Nvidia card would most likely have a much bigger peak requirement than the AMD card.

I recall I also had 3 hard drives + a sound card before. I've since removed the sound card and reverted back to two hard drives. If I really wanted to I can probably revert back to the Diablotek PSU. But, I already installed a Cooler Master (+12v = 52A) in its place.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Not mine. I've been assembling PCs since 1992. Not a single generic PSU that came with the case ever belched out any smoke. The worst that ever happened is simply the PSU powering off the whole PC. Those didn't start happening until the early 2000's. It was hard to figure out if it was really the PSU or not because that period was at the height of the Capacitor Plague (2001-2006) although I didn't know it yet at the time. I started buying dedicated PSUs at 2005. But, even good, name-brand PSUs weren't immune to defective capacitors.

Things should be better now though. I bought that 700w Diablotek back in 2009. It still works with the 5770. It actually works still with the GTX 560 Ti. What I didn't like was it heating up (together with the GTX 560 Ti) more than I felt comfortable in maxed out Crysis 2. That's the only game where heating up seemed to be a problem. Most games (including FSX, Crysis, and Warhead) are fine with it. Regardless, I replaced the Diablotek with a 750w CoolerMaster.

04dcarraher

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

Not mine. I've been assembling PCs since 1992. Not a single generic PSU that came with the case ever belched out any smoke. The worst that ever happened is simply the PSU powering off the whole PC. Those didn't start happening until the early 2000's. It was hard to figure out if it was really the PSU or not because that period was at the height of the Capacitor Plague (2001-2006) although I didn't know it yet at the time. I started buying dedicated PSUs at 2005. But, even good, name-brand PSUs weren't immune to defective capacitors.

Things should be better now though. I bought that 700w Diablotek back in 2009. It still works with the 5770. It actually works still with the GTX 560 Ti. What I didn't like was it heating up (together with the GTX 560 Ti) more than I felt comfortable in maxed out Crysis 2. That's the only game where heating up seemed to be a problem. Most games (including FSX, Crysis, and Warhead) are fine with it. Regardless, I replaced the Diablotek with a 750w CoolerMaster.

jun_aka_pekto

Actually, The Diablotek I have is 650w, not 700w (Diablotek PHD650).....my bad. It's +12v rating is 38A/456w according to its sticker.

According to here:

http://forum-en.msi.com/faq/article/printer/power-requirements-for-graphics-cards

A GTX 560 Ti needs 31A while a 5770 needs 34A as a minimum. I am quite surprised to see the 5770 has a bigger minimum than a 560 Ti although the Nvidia card would most likely have a much bigger peak requirement than the AMD card.

I recall I also had 3 hard drives + a sound card before. I've since removed the sound card and reverted back to two hard drives. If I really wanted to I can probably revert back to the Diablotek PSU. But, I already installed a Cooler Master (+12v = 52A) in its place.

PS3 destroys near all PC's you could build in 2005. But... being a console you dont even need to be as strong as a PC to beat it. Consoles have optimizing PC gaming will never have. Also very strong dev support helps (naughty dog, santa monica, guerrilla games :cool:)

KillzoneSnake

and then in

2006

2007

2008

2009

2010

2011

2012

2013

pc destroyed consoles

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

I've seen the trailer/teaser for the game and while it doesn't look bad, I also don't think it looks all that impressive, visually.

Technically it might be, but I don't see anything that would justify a GTX 460 just to run the game (which is what the proposed system requirements are).

It's possible to have open-ended games on hardware with much less memory than that.

nameless12345

The graphics card won't be used for AI calculation tho.

GpGPU can process AI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59PXFizikJ0

Because like most things on this planet, people have know idea what they're talking about and just like to vent.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

it is common sense, gamers (not people that are not gamers) buys around 12 games per year.

lundy86_4

Learn what common sense is, then understand that what you said was complete crap. Look, you have no idea what you are talking about, and you are passing it off like you do. Just stop, it's sad.

so by your logic people buy 2-3 games per year? Face the truth man, and accept that adding the cost of games, pc gaming became cheaper. and that was my initial point.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

it is common sense, gamers (not people that are not gamers) buys around 12 games per year.

MK-Professor

Learn what common sense is, then understand that what you said was complete crap. Look, you have no idea what you are talking about, and you are passing it off like you do. Just stop, it's sad.

so by your logic people buy 2-3 games per year? Face the truth man, and accept that adding the cost of games, pc gaming became cheaper. and that was my initial point.

You seriously came back to this? Stop inferring things that aren't happening. My logic, is that you should provide evidence to your claims. Something you haven't done in, what, 3 days? I think it's time to admit that you're talking out of your ass.

You have to remember that gaming companies, buy the hardware from compainies such as AMD in bulk, so therfore they alot cheaper for them.

ultimate-k

Same thing will happen next gen as it did this, Consoles will end up being sh1t tier PCs and nothing else.

[QUOTE="KillzoneSnake"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

PS3 came out in 2006 and the 8800GTX that is older still play games with better graphics and performance than ps3.

MK-Professor

an 8800 GTX came out at the same time as the PS3 :roll:

not realy

8800 GTX - release date November 06 2006(that complete destroys the ps3 even in today games, and that is only one GPU NOT two)

ps3 - release date japan and N.America November 11 2006 and Europe March 23 2007

why wait 5 months to get an inferior hardware?

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Ugh at all the people saying that a pc in 2006 was better than a PS3. To get one that good you would've had to spend over $1000 and it probably wouldn't even play games like GTA4 above medium at 720p because of the cpu.