How can most of you say that Next consoles have more power then current PC's?

Everyone I know who knows about Steam sales buys at least 12 games per sale, and many inbetween.

If you are bragging about getting AC3 for $50, I am led that PC and console gamers have different definitions of a "sale". When you get AC3 for 30 dollars or less, we'll talk.

Riadon2

That isn't a sale. If you want to criticize my post, at least understand what you are talking about.

BTW, i'm also an extensive PC gamer. I just don't stand for people talking utter crap.

Consoles has never been more powerful than gaming PCs. Even someone can have the choice to blow their bank account on top-end stuff. Most expensive stuff. Now that's a monster. Nothing will come close to that. Even next-gen consoles won't be any better than my PC (my specs), mark my words.

I predict they'll be equivalent to medium-end PCs from 2010.

Consoles has never been more powerful than gaming PCs. Even someone can have the choice to blow their bank account on top-end stuff. Most expensive stuff. Now that's a monster. Nothing will come close to that. Even next-gen consoles won't be any better than my PC (my specs), mark my words.

I predict they'll be equivalent to medium-end PCs from 2010.

GamerwillzPS

The only console that really came close was the 360 at its time of release. The reason being, was a shift to a unified shader architecture. This won't happen with the coming generation.

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

Everyone I know who knows about Steam sales buys at least 12 games per sale, and many inbetween.

If you are bragging about getting AC3 for $50, I am led that PC and console gamers have different definitions of a "sale". When you get AC3 for 30 dollars or less, we'll talk.

lundy86_4

That isn't a sale. If you want to criticize my post, at least understand what you are talking about.

BTW, i'm also an extensive PC gamer. I just don't stand for people talking utter crap.

"Nope, they are random assumptions. Where are you getting the amount of games an average gamer will buy? Let alone the fact that sales do happen for console titles, and I personally, get $20 off every big release I pre-order from Best Buy. I got AC3 for $50 after taxes."

Perhaps you should use better wording in your posts. You go from talking about $20 off sales at Best Buy to giving a recent example of AC3. $50 for AC3 isn't the base price, so obviously you got some sort of discount for it, no matter how small.

"Nope, they are random assumptions. Where are you getting the amount of games an average gamer will buy? Let alone the fact that sales do happen for console titles, and I personally, get $20 off every big release I pre-order from Best Buy. I got AC3 for $50 after taxes."

Perhaps you should use better wording in your posts. $50 for AC3 isn't the base price, so obviously you got some sort of discount for it, no matter how small.

Riadon2

Not really necessary. It was essential to the sentence, yet broken as to imply it wan't a sale. They are independant, but related clauses.

Largely because I explained that it was a pre-order bonus on every new "big" release.That wouldn't be a sale.

Yep, it's a discount for being a Reward Zone member, not a sale.

I don't expect next gen consoles to out perform my CPU or RAM, but I do expect better GPU performance than my 7870 by the time the neXtBOX launches.

percuvius2

Mostly likely will not happen, 7870 1ghz+ has a higher TDP then 175w, which means higher costs because power requirements and cooling needed. Dont expect more then a 100w TDP based gpu.

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

"Nope, they are random assumptions. Where are you getting the amount of games an average gamer will buy? Let alone the fact that sales do happen for console titles, and I personally, get $20 off every big release I pre-order from Best Buy. I got AC3 for $50 after taxes."

Perhaps you should use better wording in your posts. $50 for AC3 isn't the base price, so obviously you got some sort of discount for it, no matter how small.

lundy86_4

Not really necessary. It was essential to the sentence, yet broken as to imply it wan't a sale. Largely because I explained that it was a pre-order bonus on every new "big" release.That wouldn't be a sale.

Yep, it's a discount for being a Reward Zone member, not a sale.

You claimed that sales happened for consoles titles and then proceeded to connect your Reward Zone discount to this topic to provide an example. This implied a belief that such a thing would be classified as a sale.

You claimed that sales happened for consoles titles and then proceeded to connect your Reward Zone discount to this topic. This implied a belief that such a thing would be classified as a sale.

Riadon2

No, it didn't. I can't really be bothered to break down the English language in this instance, so we should just move on.

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

You claimed that sales happened for consoles titles and then proceeded to connect your Reward Zone discount to this topic. This implied a belief that such a thing would be classified as a sale.

lundy86_4

No, it didn't. I can't really be bothered to break down the English language in this instance, so we should just move on.

Your language use suggests otherwise, but obviously it was not intentional.

Your language use suggests otherwise, but obviously it was not intentional.

Riadon2

*sigh*

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

Your language use suggests otherwise, but obviously it was not intentional.

lundy86_4

*sigh*

Why even bother replying to me?

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

Your language use suggests otherwise, but obviously it was not intentional.

Riadon2

*sigh*

Why even bother replying to me?

It wasn't to do with you being boring, just the issue of getting the last word in, even though the issue was clarified in a previous post.

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

*sigh*

lundy86_4

Why even bother replying to me?

It wasn't to do with you being boring, just the issue of getting the last word in, even though the issue was clarified in a previous post.

Alright.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] serious question, so for $637.50 ( a launch PS3 plus sales tax) you could get a PC in 2006 that out performs a PS3, along with basic methods of input for that PC (M + KB) and can still play today's AAA games like Assassin's creed 3 at a higher frame rate & resolution then a PS3?

Jonwh18

1: who's been saying next consoles have more power?

2: surely no one as lol

3: no one is that stupid to say a console be better then a pc

anways ways your trying throw price of rigs in it. microsoft/sony and EVEN now nintendo is taking a loss on console sells. Why they do this? assecories sales, every game sold on their system they get a peice of the pie, online store. All these things get their money back.

The ps3 was estimated worth 900 bucks in parts and labor on release while the 360 around 800.

[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

I don't expect next gen consoles to out perform my CPU or RAM, but I do expect better GPU performance than my 7870 by the time the neXtBOX launches.

04dcarraher

Mostly likely will not happen, 7870 1ghz+ has a higher TDP then 175w, which means higher costs because power requirements and cooling needed. Dont expect more then a 100w TDP based gpu.

Yeah , it will happen. Want to Pay Pal bet on it?

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

I don't expect next gen consoles to out perform my CPU or RAM, but I do expect better GPU performance than my 7870 by the time the neXtBOX launches.

percuvius2

Mostly likely will not happen, 7870 1ghz+ has a higher TDP then 175w, which means higher costs because power requirements and cooling needed. Dont expect more then a 100w TDP based gpu.

Yeah , it will happen. Want to Pay Pal bet on it?

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

in fact when i say "ps3 games cost on avenger 15$ more than pc games so" i was a bit generous i usually get pc games on one third of the console price.

lundy86_4

What does this teach you? Unless you have a large enough sampling, you are talking out of your ass. You don't know the average cost of games. If you have a study with a reasonable conclusion, then show it to us.

Furthermore, do you have a study naming the average amount of games an individual will buy?

Your entire post was based off of assumptions.

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You aren't debating with a child here, so put up, or shut up.

no matter what you do, you can change the fact that on average pc games are cheaper for a number of reasons.

Also do a poll here on WS and you will find that game's buy on average 10 - 15 games per year.

no matter what you do, you can change the fact that on average pc games are cheaper for a number of reasons.

Also do a poll here on WS and you will find that game's buy on average 10 - 15 games per year.

MK-Professor

Look at that... Shocking that you couldn't find a suitable rebuttal:roll:

How long did it take you?

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Why would I do a poll to prove your assertion? You got that ass-backwards, bro.

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You're an idiot.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

no matter what you do, you can change the fact that on average pc games are cheaper for a number of reasons.

Also do a poll here on WS and you will find that game's buy on average 10 - 15 games per year.

lundy86_4

Look at that... Shocking that you couldn't find a suitable rebuttal:roll:

How long did it take you?

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Why would I do a poll to prove your assertion? You got that ass-backwards, bro.

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You're an idiot.

A poll isn't too bad of an idea; I would do one if I was level 10.

A poll isn't too bad of an idea; I would do one if I was level 10.

Riadon2

A bad idea? No.

The person debating you, conducting it to prove an assertion he made? That's lol worthy.

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

A poll isn't too bad of an idea; I would do one if I was level 10.

lundy86_4

A bad idea? No.

The person debating you, conducting it to prove an assertion he made? That's lol worthy.

Yes, it is stupid of him.

I'd like to see a poll, regardless.

Yes, it is stupid of him.

I'd like to see a poll, regardless.

Riadon2

It would be interesting. I wouldn't mind it at all. Though, SW could be a rather biased sample.

You have to remember that gaming companies, buy the hardware from compainies such as AMD in bulk, so therfore they alot cheaper for them.

ultimate-k

This may be a little bit off-topic but I've always been wondering this;

Can anybody put together a PC for no more than $249.99 (lowest priced PS3) that outperforms the PS3 (and 360)?

Just totally out of curiousity.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="percuvius2"]

I don't expect next gen consoles to out perform my CPU or RAM, but I do expect better GPU performance than my 7870 by the time the neXtBOX launches.

percuvius2

Mostly likely will not happen, 7870 1ghz+ has a higher TDP then 175w, which means higher costs because power requirements and cooling needed. Dont expect more then a 100w TDP based gpu.

Yeah , it will happen. Want to Pay Pal bet on it?

HD 7850's die size already smaller than 1st gen NVIDIA RSX.

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1st gen NVIDIA RSX = 258 mm^2

1st gen IBM CELL = 230 mm^2

Total: 488 mm^2

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Option 1

AMD Radeon HD 7850 (16 CU GpGPU) = 212 mm^2

AMD Trinity (6 CU IGP) = 246 mm^2

Total: 458 mm^2

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Option 2

Semi-custom AMD Trinity (quad core PileDriver) with Radeon HD 7850 = ~335 mm^2

Quad core PileDriver = ~50 watts (with 4th core for yield issues).

Radeon HD 7850 = 130 watts (16 CUs operational, with 4 CUs disabled for yeild issues).

Total: 180 watts.

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Based on 1st gen PS3, power consumption can be around 209 watts (e.g. FF13) i.e. PS3 used 380 watt power supply. Option 2 is possible for PS4.

Option 2 wouldn't match Intel Core i5/i7 Quad-Core with Radeon HD 7950/7970 or GTX 670/680 based PCs i.e. on the GPU part, the relationship would be like Xbox 360 vs Geforce 8800 based PC.

Radeon HD 8850 is estimated to have a die size of 270 mm^2 which would make it larger than 1st gen NVIDIA RSX. Older parts (e.g. 7850) would have less premium than newer parts (e.g. 8850).

Radeon HD 88x0/89x0 has been delayed until CES 2013 with actual release around June 2013. Sony has the tendency to use older design.

MS has the tendency to use newer design with smaller die size/lower max power than Sony.

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

no matter what you do, you can change the fact that on average pc games are cheaper for a number of reasons.

Also do a poll here on WS and you will find that game's buy on average 10 - 15 games per year.

lundy86_4

Look at that... Shocking that you couldn't find a suitable rebuttal:roll:

How long did it take you?

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Why would I do a poll to prove your assertion? You got that ass-backwards, bro.

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You're an idiot.

you are an idiot.

Who's saying that besides Loosing Ends and a few other missinformed people?

Also, don't put all PCs in the same box.

The enthusiast gaming PCs and "work" PCs have little in common.

This may be a little bit off-topic but I've always been wondering this;

Can anybody put together a PC for no more than $249.99 (lowest priced PS3) that outperforms the PS3 (and 360)?

Just totally out of curiousity.

Amster_G

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant /

CPU:AMD A6-3650 2.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($81.57 @ Amazon)

Motherboard:Asus F1A55-M LE Micro ATX FM1 Motherboard ($28.84 @ NCIX US)

Memory:Kingston ValueRAM 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($13.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Storage:Western Digital Caviar Blue 160GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Microcenter)

Case:Raidmax Simplex ATX-618B MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply:Logisys 480W ATX12V Power Supply ($12.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Optical Drive:Lite-On iHOS104-06 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Drive ($66.12 @ NCIX US)

Total: $263.49 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-10 20:55 EST-0500)

[QUOTE="Amster_G"]

This may be a little bit off-topic but I've always been wondering this;

Can anybody put together a PC for no more than $249.99 (lowest priced PS3) that outperforms the PS3 (and 360)?

Just totally out of curiousity.

ronvalencia

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant /

CPU:AMD A6-3650 2.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($81.57 @ Amazon)

Motherboard:Asus F1A55-M LE Micro ATX FM1 Motherboard ($28.84 @ NCIX US)

Memory:Kingston ValueRAM 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($13.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Storage:Western Digital Caviar Blue 160GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Microcenter)

Case:Raidmax Simplex ATX-618B MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply:Logisys 480W ATX12V Power Supply ($12.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Optical Drive:Lite-On iHOS104-06 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Drive ($66.12 @ NCIX US)

Total: $263.49 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-10 20:55 EST-0500)

You forgot the OS and GPU.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Amster_G"]

This may be a little bit off-topic but I've always been wondering this;

Can anybody put together a PC for no more than $249.99 (lowest priced PS3) that outperforms the PS3 (and 360)?

Just totally out of curiousity.

Riadon2

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant /

CPU:AMD A6-3650 2.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($81.57 @ Amazon)

Motherboard:Asus F1A55-M LE Micro ATX FM1 Motherboard ($28.84 @ NCIX US)

Memory:Kingston ValueRAM 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($13.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Storage:Western Digital Caviar Blue 160GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Microcenter)

Case:Raidmax Simplex ATX-618B MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply:Logisys 480W ATX12V Power Supply ($12.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Optical Drive:Lite-On iHOS104-06 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Drive ($66.12 @ NCIX US)

Total: $263.49 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-10 20:55 EST-0500)

You forgot the OS and GPU.

*sigh*

I'm a dedicated 360 owner, and I admit that consoles will never be better than PC's. Anyone who doesn't think that is in denial.

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant /

CPU:AMD A6-3650 2.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($81.57 @ Amazon)

Motherboard:Asus F1A55-M LE Micro ATX FM1 Motherboard ($28.84 @ NCIX US)

Memory:Kingston ValueRAM 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($13.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Storage:Western Digital Caviar Blue 160GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Microcenter)

Case:Raidmax Simplex ATX-618B MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply:Logisys 480W ATX12V Power Supply ($12.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Optical Drive:Lite-On iHOS104-06 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Drive ($66.12 @ NCIX US)

Total: $263.49 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-10 20:55 EST-0500)

04dcarraher

You forgot the OS and GPU.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

no matter what you do, you can change the fact that on average pc games are cheaper for a number of reasons.

Also do a poll here on WS and you will find that game's buy on average 10 - 15 games per year.

MK-Professor

Look at that... Shocking that you couldn't find a suitable rebuttal:roll:

How long did it take you?

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Why would I do a poll to prove your assertion? You got that ass-backwards, bro.

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You're an idiot.

you are an idiot.

Clearly, for even debating this with you. You've yet to prove any of your initial assertions :lol:

Wii U certainly isn't seeing as how Star Citizen won't be able to run on it :P

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Look at that... Shocking that you couldn't find a suitable rebuttal:roll:

How long did it take you?

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Why would I do a poll to prove your assertion? You got that ass-backwards, bro.

---

You're an idiot.

lundy86_4

you are an idiot.

Clearly, for even debating this with you. You've yet to prove any of your initial assertions :lol:

I have a GTX680, I5 cpu and 12 gig DDR3 ram. I dont think any next gen console will even come close to those specs.

But we all know it is not just about specs. Most pc games dont even come close to using the hardware i spent so much money on. Console games are optimized better and get better results using less specs available, so i would expect many next gen games to look on par with anything my PC is capable. Just Saying.

Videodogg

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant /

CPU:AMD A6-3650 2.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($81.57 @ Amazon)

Motherboard:Asus F1A55-M LE Micro ATX FM1 Motherboard ($28.84 @ NCIX US)

Memory:Kingston ValueRAM 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($13.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Storage:Western Digital Caviar Blue 160GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Microcenter)

Case:Raidmax Simplex ATX-618B MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply:Logisys 480W ATX12V Power Supply ($12.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Optical Drive:Lite-On iHOS104-06 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Drive ($66.12 @ NCIX US)

Total: $263.49 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-10 20:55 EST-0500)

04dcarraher

You forgot the OS and GPU.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Amster_G"]

This may be a little bit off-topic but I've always been wondering this;

Can anybody put together a PC for no more than $249.99 (lowest priced PS3) that outperforms the PS3 (and 360)?

Just totally out of curiousity.

Riadon2

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant /

CPU:AMD A6-3650 2.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($81.57 @ Amazon)

Motherboard:Asus F1A55-M LE Micro ATX FM1 Motherboard ($28.84 @ NCIX US)

Memory:Kingston ValueRAM 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($13.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Storage:Western Digital Caviar Blue 160GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Microcenter)

Case:Raidmax Simplex ATX-618B MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply:Logisys 480W ATX12V Power Supply ($12.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Optical Drive:Lite-On iHOS104-06 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Drive ($66.12 @ NCIX US)

Total: $263.49 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-10 20:55 EST-0500)

You forgot the OS and GPU.

Mine's more conventional. The price is $392 with a dualcore athlon X2 3.4ghz CPU and an AMD HD 6670 plus 4gb RAM and Windows 8.

It's not bad considering I won't have to buy a separate PC like I would if I had only a console.

from my viewpoint:

Gaming PC = console + non-gaming PC

This may be a little bit off-topic but I've always been wondering this;

Can anybody put together a PC for no more than $249.99 (lowest priced PS3) that outperforms the PS3 (and 360)?

Just totally out of curiousity.

Amster_G

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU:AMD Athlon II X4 640 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($69.99 @ Newegg)

Motherboard:ECS A960M-M3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($36.97 @ Newegg)

Memory:Kingston ValueRAM 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($13.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Storage:Western Digital Caviar Blue 160GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.99 @ Microcenter)

Video Card:MSI Radeon HD 6670 1GB Video Card ($50.60 @ NCIX US)

Case:Raidmax Simplex ATX-618B MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($19.99 @ Newegg)

Power Supply:Logisys 480W ATX12V Power Supply ($12.99 @ SuperBiiz)

Optical Drive:Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)

Total: $261.51 (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-11-11 01:00 EST-0500)

Windows 7 Home Premium OEM: $68.99 from http://www.pricewatch.com/gallery/software_oper_system/windows_7_home_premium_64bit

My god that PSU is horrible.clyde46

My god that PSU is horrible.clyde46

From my own experiences with "generic" PSUs, they're fine so long as you don't have a power-hungry card like the 6670 and 6770.

Also from my own experiences..... Nvidia cards tend to be more fussy with PSUs. I have a Diablotek 700w PSU (not being used at the moment) which handled my 5770 just fine. Then when I moved to a GTX 560 Ti, the Diablotek started overheating.

[QUOTE="clyde46"]My god that PSU is horrible.jun_aka_pekto

From my own experiences with "generic" PSUs, they're fine so long as you don't have a power-hungry card like the 6670 and 6770.

Also from my own experiences..... Nvidia cards tend to be more fussy with PSUs. I have a Diablotek 700w PSU (not being used at the moment) which handled my 5770 just fine. Then when I moved to a GTX 560 Ti, the Diablotek started overheating.