Honest graphics comparison

system wars is naturally filled with people trying to claim their preffered game/system has the best graphics, (even if they dont own a PC), so i decided to try to create a new standart for graphics comparison

first, we must choose between comparing pictures or videos, raw uncompressed video is impossible to share, so we must decide what is more realistic, static uncompressed images or compressed videos, its clear that still images are much more easily distorted into looking different of what the game really is, we have photophop, hi-res promottional bullshots, hud-less screenshots, photomode and so on, and also many times a game looks nice on a still image but as you move the lighting is very poor and the game look far worse than it seemed on a screenshot

so even if there is a quality loss on 1080p videos, its by far the best way to compare real gameplay, but we still must get rid of cutscenes, pre-alpha videos running on monster PCs, and also the problem of cherry-picking good/bad scenes in a game

so i decided to try finding long gameplay videos on youtube, from full game walkthroughs of regular youtubers that i have no connection with, i downlad the full 5-7gb video with Jdownloader, cut it in in regular intervals with Free Video Cutter Joiner, i decided to cut 10 seconds of all videos in 0 hours 15 minutes, 0 hours 30 minutes, 45 minutes, 1 hours and so on, if a a 10 second clip matches a cutscene or loading screen/menu is discart it and also dicard the same clip from the video of the other game i want to compare

for example i compared Uncharted 4 to Ryse of Tomb Raider

i got those 2 1080p videos from youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iom-k6_yQjQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdx2zfRTLzQ

cut them and uploaded to youtube and crete a video in youtube video creator, the quality is far from perfect, but its a much better representative of actual gameplay than any screenshot

here is all the 10 second clips

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H585EUQNFi4

and below the video with the cutscenes removed

list of the video clips

Uncharted 4 00:15:00

ROTR 00:15:00

Uncharted 4 00:30:00

ROTR 00:30:00

Uncharted 4 00:45:00 cutscene (removed)

ROTR 00:45:00 (removed)

Uncharted 4 01:00:00

ROTR 01:00:00

Uncharted 4 01:15:00

ROTR 01:15:00

Uncharted 4 01:30:00 cutscene (removed)

ROTR 01:30:00 (removed)

Uncharted 4 01:45:00 (removed)

ROTR 01:45:00 in menu (removed)

Uncharted 4 02:00:00

ROTR 02:00:00

Uncharted 4 02:15:00

ROTR 02:15:00

Uncharted 4 02:30:00 cutscene (removed)

ROTR 02:30:00 (removed)

I like the ideal, video does seem best to show them off and compare. I think it would have been even more better to show back to back scenes that share similarities. For example, show some Drake climbing vs Laura climbing. Drake shooting vs Laura shooting. Drake cave exploring vs Laura cave exploring. Drake fighting vs Laura fighting. Etc.

@iandizion713: yeah, but doing that it still could be considered cherry picking, if a game does somethings better the person choosing could still select to compare the strong points against the weak points

If you've played them both you can outright tell a first party AAAA puts in a lot more work all around, compared to a 3rd party timed exclusive multiplat

Yeah, but it will be more fair i feel, theyd have to try and compare say climbing. So theyd have to cherry pick the best examples they could find. Then it would be an epic battle of who has the best climbing.

@junky-trunk: imo i think the only clip where uncharted looks better is in the beginning of chapter 6, that grass really looks nice, all the other clips ROTR is a clear winner, away from the cutscenes uncharted look like a half-next gen game with awfull textures and cartoonish visuals, but i played ROTR and found it vary boring, still believe U4 is a better game overall, despite poorer graphics

Meh, I still don't know if this is the best way to compare graphics, considering both videos are blurry messes.

the best way to compare is having both games in front of you in 2 screens, but this is the best we can get, unless someone find 2TB full walkthrough raw uncompressed videos, but its a step ahead of the bullshots and cherry picking

Who cares? You people are insanely wierd about this, take a deep breath and top taking pictures people post of games on a message board so freaking seriously!

Can't wait for gpuking to start shitposting again.

@thepclovingguy said:

Can't wait for gpuking to start shitposting again.

lmao that gif.

@thepclovingguy said:

Stolen for later use.

PC graphics look better, film at 11

There is no competition really pc>ps4. UC4 has better pbr is more advanced. Presentation, materials are better overall. Photomode which really is not that far off from tv shows what it would have been like on pc perhaps. Which is scary good. Highlights that the game has the best foundation on consoles. It went a bit more then the other console games which is where ROTTR came. If both were on pc there won't be be these comparisons UC4 would take it. Right now UC4 is just a scary looking console game with enough foundation that is held back by its hardware. The clips don't show you the environments especially UC4. The active foliage, the caves, the interiors, the water, the rainstorm. Its just a showcase of a better pbr. Shame it can't get that pc treament.

Honest? Ok, honestly we're at a point where games look amazing unless you began gaming in the 3D polygon era. If you started in gaming's infancy, most of us are more than happy with what many games look like to the point we don't need to scrutinize which one is teh bestest evar.

yup

Comparing scenes with the similar lighting might be a start.

Best and most accurate response EVAR. 10 points.

this is pointles we try this before and sony fans always refuse to show gameplay vs gameplay

the best way is to show pictures in similar situations but thats never gone hapen

and PC being involve LOL PC win's the end

@thepclovingguy:

Right click > Save as

If you're going to post video at least try to make them as lossless as possible, your encoding methods look like complete dick and discerning any kind of graphical differences is an impossibility...

Game captures on YouTube should look like this...

Yeah, that looks much better. But, he just grabbed scenes from youtube videos that are just basic gameplay playthroughs, so he might have a double compression thing going on.

Starfox Zero for the win

Anybody found out what post effect photo mode does. If its super sampling the differences is actually very weak here but clear.

Also drakes model idle animation. seems fair

Well no one posting soo here

Wow really no one els ok

just saying I figure I post this sens I just seen it "The lost pisces" xbox one /pc mite be a big graphic havy upcoming game

pisces // Scorpio is xbox gone be the Zodiac consol now gees

@DragonfireXZ95@dynamitecop@leandrro I'm no expert on this by any means but I've also heard that recording footage in 4k increases the bitrate quite a bit in youtube playback, which might help the presentation quite a bit.

@leandrro: please stop making threads. UC4 is widely considered the best looking game around and outside of SW nobody mentions ROTTR looking better. The fact you said it barely looks like a next gen game shows how utterly delusional you are.

@panda30: They show them all the time you just ignore it.

Nathan Doesn't look remotely like cutscenes scene on promo trailer lol

It's widely considered the best looking game on consoles by people who actually have eyes and the ability to execute sound logic, the people who widely consider it the best looking game around are either cows or those that are extremely ignorant.

Great looking game? Yes, the best? No, just no, and that's entirely in part to the PlayStation 4's limitation, not the game itself.

Both games look great. Uncharted 4 excels at some things, RotTR excels at some things. We're at the point where it is hard to tell which game technically looks better due to different art styles. Just because one game has more foliage, doesn't make that game have better graphics, the level designer and art director may have wanted to limit foliage due to their vision. Either way though, like I said, both games look great.

@dynamitecop: Considering multiple professional reviews have stated it's the best looking game PERIOD it seems to be more then just cows. TR doesn't look better then UC4 and outside of rabbid herms and lems on SW nobody makes the claim. The PS4s limitations are seen by its 1080p and 30FPS but that doesn't mean the technology used in the game isnt superior.

@TheFadeForever: Errr yes he does.. at Max lod.

Alright what does his max lod look like in the game

@AM-Gamer: What credible source has stated it is the best looking game ever? Don't pull out a random review from a random site. I want a site that is known for technology and graphics analysis like DF.

Also its limitations are seen in the low-res shadow, lack of 16XAF, poor draw distance and sometimes texture pop-ins not to mention some questionable usage of lighting at times.

The game looks spectacular but acting like it has no shortcomings is just stupid.

Professional reviewers? Don't make me laugh. These are the same reviewers who shamelessly gave the game a perfect score.

@Juub1990: It's Lod is usually outstanding and even DF talked about it's outstanding texture streaming so WTF are you talking about?

PS4 and Uncharted 4 are the clear victor.

@AM-Gamer: DF also mentioned texture pop-ins as well. They also mentioned low-res shadows and lack of 16X AF. Go to the level where you gotta dive to retrieve the toxic wastes underwater. Once on the boat look at the river bank and you can see 2D flat trees that are just a couple of meters away. Everything past about 10M looks awful.

Waiting on that credible source saying it is the best looking game ever.

@Juub1990: It never uses 2d trees but the fact your reverting to one section is laughable.

Liberteria looks outstanding with detailed foliage and long draw distance. So does 99% of the rest of the game.

You only consider one source credible(DF) the same source that said it "sets a new standard for realtime rendering in video games and was the most impressive game they have tested on consoles". Please post any comments remotely as flattering from ROTTR? It uses PBR better then any modern game. It's character models and animations are second to none. So again outside of the delusional fanboys on SW nobody argues TR looks better then UC4.

come back here Uncharted, im not done with you

Uncharted 4 vs a 2013's game, same method

video with cutscenes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2jxfiAd3Z4

video with cutscenes removed

@thepclovingguy said:

Can't wait for gpuking to start shitposting again.

That gif is awesome.

All I know is the gauntlet has been thrown down. gpuking was called out to make a video of his own. Lets see who is real here.

Looks pretty flat to me, not sure if it's actually 2D trees though.

Digital Foundry is outside of SW and they don't think it's the best. I've seen several forums and youtube channels say it is the best looking console game, but doesn't beat out PC. There was like two reviews that called it the absolute best, and it was from casual gamers who do not review PC games.

Why are you making things up?

@shawty_beatz said:

@AM-Gamer said:

@Juub1990: It never uses 2d trees but the fact your reverting to one section is laughable.

Looks pretty flat to me, not sure if it's actually 2D trees though.

Wow....that looks awful.

@m3dude1: Those videos look like TR Xboxone or pc med low quality with basic AA solution. That version does not belong to be compared with UC4 honestly. The image quality sux shimmering everywhere. Foliage animations are junky and active fooliage is reduced compare to pc. Also it has a habit of turning AO off untill next level or you restart the game, then it turns it off again. AF is worse then 360 version at times. It also highlights that pbr used on the game is not very special. Lara still looks good though lol.

those are all pc videos at max settings excluding supersampling and textures. textures are only on high but the difference between high and very high is almost nonexistent 99% of the time. the links i provide explicitly state the settings. i have TR on pc and that video is highly representative of what the game looks like. the aa solutions are shit. you can brute force ssaa and play at a shitty framerate, or have a good framerate and eye splitting shimmering everywhere as seen in the videos.

@AM-Gamer: Refer to shawty_beatz picture. I wasn't bullshitting lol. I did play the game. Those trees aren't 2D? Also no there isn't only DF but I'm still waiting on a credible source other than them(who made it a point to repeat "on consoles about 10x"). You still haven't done so which suggests you're full of shit as always. Also I don't care what is said about ROTTR, my reply is to you and I'm calling you out for being a liar.

@m3dude1: You're full of shit. You can switch textures from high to very high and they stream on the fly and the difference is instantly noticeable. So those are all maxed out except they aren't?