Hey PAL, that hertz.

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#1 Posted by SecretPolice (23917 posts) -

For me, not a biggie but yet another head scratcher wondering what Nintendo's decision making and end game is this gen?

Or is there some really good reason for this that I'm missing?

Anyway, sorry Europe, that's gotta Hertzzz. :twisted:

The Story.

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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-25-nintendo-using-inferior-50hz-mode-for-european-wii-u-virtual-console

Nintendo using inferior 50Hz mode for European Wii U Virtual Console

Hey PAL, that hertz

Nintendo appears to be using the inferior 50Hz mode for games on the European Wii U Virtual Console, whereas other regions can use the 60Hz mode.

You lot noticed the issue after downloading NES title Balloon Fight, which is available for 30p for 30 days as part of the service's special introductory offer.

PAL 50Hz versions traditionally run slower (due to old European TVs having a slower refresh rate), with compressed graphics and borders. A video comparing the difference in speed between 50Hz and 60Hz is below.

Nintendo of Europe used the 50Hz standard for games on the Wii's Virtual Console, too. This suggests that the Wii U versions come from the same code, although you'll have re-download a new version of each game to play it on the GamePad. These new versions will individually be made available over some time, Nintendo has said. Each will also incur a small additional cost.

The issue is particularly surprising because, more recently, all NES games on the 3DS Virtual Console (including Balloon Fight) were 60Hz regardless of region.

Gamers have reacted angrily to all this, flooding Wii U social network Miiverse with complaints.

"Good game, steal at 30p, but this has the PAL slowdown, so slower music and gameplay," one person said.

"This is the 21st century. Again with that 50Hz nonsense? Why must Europe still get the worst version?" another user queried.

Eurogamer has contacted Nintendo for a response - we'll update when we hear back

#2 Posted by Heil68 (48394 posts) -
That does seem lulz worthy.
#3 Posted by RR360DD (13102 posts) -
LOLTENDO
#4 Posted by blue_hazy_basic (28787 posts) -
Europe gets the unwanted reach around once more.
#5 Posted by koospetoors (3262 posts) -
I was expecting something to do with Anachranox, I am disappoint.
#6 Posted by Arach666 (23042 posts) -
I was expecting something to do with Anachranox, I am disappoint.koospetoors
Oh man,that´s exactly what I thought when I first looked at the title lol.
#7 Posted by SaltyMeatballs (25159 posts) -
The true classic feel.
#8 Posted by Heil68 (48394 posts) -
The true classic feel.SaltyMeatballs
The "cinematic" feel with next gen lighting.
#9 Posted by nintendoboy16 (28371 posts) -

Considering a few PAL games (coming from a North American gamer in the UK) I played have 60 HZ capabilities, I too have to question this.

Even SEGA is using 60HZ versions of retro games in SEGA MegaDrive Collection.

#10 Posted by jun_aka_pekto (17834 posts) -

I thought Europe used 50Hz in alot of things including electrical power (220V/50Hz). That's why my 100V-240V/60Hz alarm clocks and laptops (from the US) always fell behind when I was there. Then there's the different types of electrical outlet adapters I have to bring with me. I can't blame Nintendo for sticking with the least common denominator there.

#11 Posted by Timstuff (26837 posts) -
I never really understood why old European TVs had the 50hz limitation.
#12 Posted by DarkLink77 (31964 posts) -

NoE done f*cked up, yo.

#13 Posted by razgriz_101 (16871 posts) -

I never really understood why old European TVs had the 50hz limitation.Timstuff

We dont now, we use 60.PAL 60 came in a while ago like a decade ago most tv's supported 60hz refresh rates.Since the dawn of this digital era PAL is pretty much defunct.

Strangely it was coined in the 50's because Western European countries felt NTSC had a few short falls namely the resolution despite having a higher refresh rate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL

this is worth reading, tbh essentially the arguement has become a thing of days gone by considering how much broadcasting has changed.

#14 Posted by Blabadon (28977 posts) -
I thought you were calling PAL360 out on something.
#15 Posted by nintendoboy16 (28371 posts) -

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]I never really understood why old European TVs had the 50hz limitation.razgriz_101

We dont now, we use 60.PAL 60 came in a while ago like a decade ago most tv's supported 60hz refresh rates.Since the dawn of this digital era PAL is pretty much defunct.

Strangely it was coined in the 50's because Western European countries felt NTSC had a few short falls namely the resolution despite having a higher refresh rate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL

this is worth reading, tbh essentially the arguement has become a thing of days gone by considering how much broadcasting has changed.

Even RETAIL games adapt to 60 HZ, so it's pointless even without digital distribution.
#16 Posted by SecretPolice (23917 posts) -

I thought you were calling PAL360 out on something.Blabadon
Too funny man cuz after posting and seeing the topic title on the first page, I thought to myself, Hmm, wonder if PAL360 will think I'm posting something to do with him. :P

#17 Posted by razgriz_101 (16871 posts) -

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]I never really understood why old European TVs had the 50hz limitation.nintendoboy16

We dont now, we use 60.PAL 60 came in a while ago like a decade ago most tv's supported 60hz refresh rates.Since the dawn of this digital era PAL is pretty much defunct.

Strangely it was coined in the 50's because Western European countries felt NTSC had a few short falls namely the resolution despite having a higher refresh rate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PAL

this is worth reading, tbh essentially the arguement has become a thing of days gone by considering how much broadcasting has changed.

Even RETAIL games adapt to 60 HZ, so it's pointless even without digital distribution.

true, but considering we've moved to the now DVB system for broadcasting, the PAL arguement for all intents and purposes are defunct considering we've pretty much finished the digital switch-over in the UK :P

#18 Posted by Blabadon (28977 posts) -

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]I thought you were calling PAL360 out on something.SecretPolice

Too funny man cuz after posting and seeing the topic title on the first page, I thought to myself, Hmm, wonder if PAL360 will think I'm posting something to do with him. :P

Yeah, you guys seem like pretty good buddies. Of course, calling other users out in titles is usually a suspension, so I was wondering what was going on in this thread. I liked the OP.
#19 Posted by V3rciS (2206 posts) -

I think we Europeans can live with this... next story please!

#20 Posted by Epak_ (7226 posts) -

If they're faster than the originals it's gonna feel wrong, don't you dare ruing mah nostalgiah!

#21 Posted by sukraj (24202 posts) -

Europe gets the unwanted reach around once more.blue_hazy_basic

i agree

#22 Posted by BrunoBRS (73370 posts) -
not surprising, considering it's the one company that still strongly enforces region locking, even on their systems that didn't have region locking before.
#23 Posted by PAL360 (27383 posts) -

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]I thought you were calling PAL360 out on something.SecretPolice

Too funny man cuz after posting and seeing the topic title on the first page, I thought to myself, Hmm, wonder if PAL360 will think I'm posting something to do with him. :P

That's exactly why i came here! Damn egocentrism :P

#24 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

I thought this was a break down thread over something PAL360 said.

#25 Posted by SecretPolice (23917 posts) -

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]I thought you were calling PAL360 out on something.PAL360

Too funny man cuz after posting and seeing the topic title on the first page, I thought to myself, Hmm, wonder if PAL360 will think I'm posting something to do with him. :P

That's exactly why i came here! Damn egocentrism :P

So you really are a narcicsist ? :o Whelp, I only have one thing to say...

Hey PAL, that Hertz. :twisted:

Of course I kid, I kid. :P

#26 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (26630 posts) -

It's mind boggling why the 3DS European Balloon Fight Game is 60hertz and the WiiU version is 50hertz.

Who thought this was a good idea?

#27 Posted by getyeryayasout (8692 posts) -
Europe gets the unwanted reach around once more.blue_hazy_basic
I'm not sure such a thing exists.
#28 Posted by SecretPolice (23917 posts) -

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Europe gets the unwanted reach around once more.getyeryayasout
I'm not sure such a thing exists.

tehe, I chuckled.

#29 Posted by getyeryayasout (8692 posts) -

[QUOTE="getyeryayasout"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Europe gets the unwanted reach around once more.SecretPolice

I'm not sure such a thing exists.

tehe, I chuckled.

Please don't laugh. It's not funny that I'm not sure if Europe exists or not. :P
#30 Posted by HalcyonScarlet (5459 posts) -

Even the 25th Anniversary addition of Super Mario All Stars was the old 50Hz version ON THE WII.

Everyone else moved on a long time ago and gave people in Europe the 60Hz option.

For Nintendo to still be trying to off load this 50hz nonsense to us, is just insulting.

#31 Posted by nintendoboy16 (28371 posts) -

Even the 25th Anniversary addition of Super Mario All Stars was the old 50Hz version ON THE WII.

Everyone else moved on a long time ago and gave people in Europe the 60Hz option.

For Nintendo to still be trying to off load this 50hz nonsense to us, is just insulting.

HalcyonScarlet

Really? I thought they would learn after requiring 60HZ with the Zelda Collector's Edition (GameCube).

Who's the "genius" at NoE who thought this was a good idea? :|

#32 Posted by delta3074 (19014 posts) -

For me, not a biggie but yet another head scratcher wondering what Nintendo's decision making and end game is this gen?

Or is there some really good reason for this that I'm missing?

Anyway, sorry Europe, that's gotta Hertzzz. :twisted:

The Story.

---

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-25-nintendo-using-inferior-50hz-mode-for-european-wii-u-virtual-console

Nintendo using inferior 50Hz mode for European Wii U Virtual Console

Hey PAL, that hertz

Nintendo appears to be using the inferior 50Hz mode for games on the European Wii U Virtual Console, whereas other regions can use the 60Hz mode.

You lot noticed the issue after downloading NES title Balloon Fight, which is available for 30p for 30 days as part of the service's special introductory offer.

PAL 50Hz versions traditionally run slower (due to old European TVs having a slower refresh rate), with compressed graphics and borders. A video comparing the difference in speed between 50Hz and 60Hz is below.

Nintendo of Europe used the 50Hz standard for games on the Wii's Virtual Console, too. This suggests that the Wii U versions come from the same code, although you'll have re-download a new version of each game to play it on the GamePad. These new versions will individually be made available over some time, Nintendo has said. Each will also incur a small additional cost.

The issue is particularly surprising because, more recently, all NES games on the 3DS Virtual Console (including Balloon Fight) were 60Hz regardless of region.

Gamers have reacted angrily to all this, flooding Wii U social network Miiverse with complaints.

"Good game, steal at 30p, but this has the PAL slowdown, so slower music and gameplay," one person said.

"This is the 21st century. Again with that 50Hz nonsense? Why must Europe still get the worst version?" another user queried.

Eurogamer has contacted Nintendo for a response - we'll update when we hear back

SecretPolice
i don't get this, i played games on my GC in 60Hz because you had too. most SD and HD tv's in this country support PAL 60.
#33 Posted by DrTrafalgarLaw (4487 posts) -

I thought Europe used 50Hz in alot of things including electrical power (220V/50Hz). That's why my 100V-240V/60Hz alarm clocks and laptops (from the US) always fell behind when I was there. Then there's the different types of electrical outlet adapters I have to bring with me. I can't blame Nintendo for sticking with the least common denominator there.

jun_aka_pekto
50 Hz is outdated, by 8 years now...even in europe. Nintendo cutting corners again...the idiots.
#34 Posted by delta3074 (19014 posts) -
[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

I thought Europe used 50Hz in alot of things including electrical power (220V/50Hz). That's why my 100V-240V/60Hz alarm clocks and laptops (from the US) always fell behind when I was there. Then there's the different types of electrical outlet adapters I have to bring with me. I can't blame Nintendo for sticking with the least common denominator there.

DrTrafalgarLaw
50 Hz is outdated, by 8 years now...even in europe. Nintendo cutting corners again...the idiots.

Spot on, i live in the UK and i have an SD 15* portable thats 12 years old that supports 60Hz, i used it for my GC and a lot of the games only supported 60Hz.
#35 Posted by ultimate-k (2348 posts) -

lmao-data-e1350013296190.jpeg

Nintendo still living in the stone age I see.

#36 Posted by locopatho (21345 posts) -
Do Nintendo actively think of ways to be d!cks? This crap should have been sorted in 2005/6.
#37 Posted by nintendoboy16 (28371 posts) -
[QUOTE="locopatho"]Do Nintendo actively think of ways to be d!cks? This crap should have been sorted in 2005/6.

Seems that way for NOE's sake.
#38 Posted by clyde46 (47825 posts) -
Least they arent using SECAM. Silly French people.
#39 Posted by -Unreal- (24567 posts) -

Another reason to dislike consoles.

#40 Posted by KBFloYd (15043 posts) -

another nintendo hate thread from nintendoPolice...

lems that hate on nintendo

secretpolice
rrod360
locopatho
me3x12

cows that hate on nintendo

majormayor
finalstar
campzor
shadowmoses (but who cares lol he brings lolz)

keep the hate going maybe one day the xbox will be in 1st place... 2nd place last gen and dead last this gen :lol:

#41 Posted by DrTrafalgarLaw (4487 posts) -

A sheep! I didn't know they could still read after all the squinting when playing on the Wii and 3DS giving you eye lens deformities. :cool:

#42 Posted by clyde46 (47825 posts) -

another nintendo hate thread from nintendoPolice...

lems that hate on nintendo

secretpolice
rrod360
locopatho
me3x12

cows that hate on nintendo

majormayor
finalstar
campzor
shadowmoses (but who cares lol he brings lolz)

keep the hate going maybe one day the xbox will be in 1st place... 2nd place last gen and dead last this gen :lol:

KBFloYd
It still doesn't negate the fact that Nintendo are at least 10 years in the past.
#43 Posted by KBFloYd (15043 posts) -

It still doesn't negate the fact that Nintendo are at least 10 years in the past. clyde46

huh? we invented motion controls...screens on controllers....the analog stick....

you best have a seat son..

#44 Posted by clyde46 (47825 posts) -

[QUOTE="clyde46"] It still doesn't negate the fact that Nintendo are at least 10 years in the past. KBFloYd

huh? we invented motion controls...screens on controllers....the analog stick....

you best have a seat son..

I was refering to this whole 50Hz thing. We havent used 50Hz for years.
#46 Posted by faizan_faizan (7868 posts) -

[QUOTE="clyde46"] It still doesn't negate the fact that Nintendo are at least 10 years in the past. KBFloYd

huh? we invented motion controls...screens on controllers....the analog stick....

you best have a seat son..

Anything besides casual? I don't hate Nintendo, But there not as good as they were with GameCube, Wii is a disgrace, If there is a Wii 3 it'll flop too, The name is a jinx.
#47 Posted by SecretPolice (23917 posts) -

another nintendo hate thread from nintendoPolice...

lems that hate on nintendo

secretpolice
rrod360
locopatho
me3x12

cows that hate on nintendo

majormayor
finalstar
campzor
shadowmoses (but who cares lol he brings lolz)

keep the hate going maybe one day the xbox will be in 1st place... 2nd place last gen and dead last this gen :lol:

KBFloYd

Firstly, it was news and newsworthy to share in a place called System Wars !!!

Secondly, my OP and comments in this thread have been mild with no undue barbs thrown against the console or the sheep and only discussed why Nintendo may have done this and asked others what they thought.

Thirdly, and most important to you, I'm a lover, not a hater but...

Now you on the other hand just may be the hater and ya may have just proved it with the way you ended your post but it comes as no surprise since mah internal statistics on the subject of haters show 98.1416 % of the time that the person calling someone, in no uncertain terms a hater, is himself the actual hater and only wants to silence any decent. :o

You really ought to rethink your love and penchant to come to the rescue of your little plastic inanimate object and perhaps get out and about a little more as I'm certain you'l develop real relationships with real people and thus help you end this unnatural love affair with the Nintendo name brand and the gaming console they manufacture.

For all the good advice offered; no need to do so right now but feel free to thank me later :P

#48 Posted by HalcyonScarlet (5459 posts) -

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

Even the 25th Anniversary addition of Super Mario All Stars was the old 50Hz version ON THE WII.

Everyone else moved on a long time ago and gave people in Europe the 60Hz option.

For Nintendo to still be trying to off load this 50hz nonsense to us, is just insulting.

nintendoboy16

Really? I thought they would learn after requiring 60HZ with the Zelda Collector's Edition (GameCube).

Who's the "genius" at NoE who thought this was a good idea? :|

Well I can see how in terms of licenses it may be easier to give us the same PAL versions as before which are in 50Hz. For example, Starfox games are called StarWing (SNES) and Lylat Wars (N64) in the UK. But How much effort can it take to just give us the US version of most games. Some with simple mods.

If I didn't know about how much effort goes into porting games to XBLA and PSN I may cut them some slack. The worst thing is, VC was their idea, MS and Sony got it from them, yet they're the ones that put the least effort in.

#49 Posted by KBFloYd (15043 posts) -

[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

another nintendo hate thread from nintendoPolice...

lems that hate on nintendo

secretpolice
rrod360
locopatho
me3x12

cows that hate on nintendo

majormayor
finalstar
campzor
shadowmoses (but who cares lol he brings lolz)

keep the hate going maybe one day the xbox will be in 1st place... 2nd place last gen and dead last this gen :lol:

SecretPolice

Firstly, it was news and newsworthy to share in a place called System Wars !!!

Secondly, my OP and comments in this thread have been mild with no undue barbs thrown against the console or the sheep and only discussed why Nintendo may have done this and asked others what they thought.

Thirdly, and most important to you, I'm a lover, not a hater but...

Now you on the other hand just may be the hater and ya may have just proved it with the way you ended your post but it comes as no surprise since mah internal statistics on the subject of haters show 98.1416 % of the time that the person calling someone, in no uncertain terms a hater, is himself the actual hater and only wants to silence any decent. :o

You really ought to rethink your love and penchant to come to the rescue of your little plastic inanimate object and perhaps get out and about a little more as I'm certain you'l develop real relationships with real people and thus help you end this unnatural love affair with the Nintendo name brand and the gaming console they manufacture.

For all the good advice offered; no need to do so right now but feel free to thank me later :P

no.. you lemming piece of garbage...you diss nintendo with stupid little jabs followed with a :P all the time..your trash and don't deserve to post wiiU news....banjo is a nintendo franchise and died one when xbox released nuts and jolts....your stupid sig with the banjo teaser!! they tricked you good huh? r u still butthurt about it? is that why you havn't changed it?

#50 Posted by locopatho (21345 posts) -

another nintendo hate thread from nintendoPolice...

lems that hate on nintendo

secretpolice
rrod360
locopatho
me3x12

cows that hate on nintendo

majormayor
finalstar
campzor
shadowmoses (but who cares lol he brings lolz)

keep the hate going maybe one day the xbox will be in 1st place... 2nd place last gen and dead last this gen :lol:

KBFloYd
You're proud of supporting a backwards company that assfvcks it's fans on a regular basis, be a loyalist freak if you want but don't expect the rest of us to thank Ninty for another kick to the balls.