Hard facts on the Nintendo GPU emerge. So is it more powerful than PS3 and Xbox

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#51 Posted by mariokart64fan (19535 posts) -

oh really?  3rd party aint avoiding nintendo the majority of the relevent ones support all 3 the lazy and incompetant ones complain about not having the money, and you want an example --rockstar  want another-bathesda , 

the wiiu has more ram a special  gpu that helps the cpu which 360 ps3 do not have, thus wiiu needs less power to provide next gen games

it has a  good iinnovative controller ,ive played 20 games already on wii u , wanna know my library of 360 games in the same time frame-7 .

thats right wiiu has more good games, i dont care for the power ,i just want good exclusives --something 360 fails to provide lately stop posting garbage like this power is irrelevent to the success of a console see ps3 psvita gc psp  and xbox for examples 

#52 Posted by StaticOnTV (583 posts) -
A lot of Wii U games don't look better than Wii U games, and now that the lie of which nintendo e-mailed me about the controller expanding data is false, then the graphics won;t get better. When Wii u graphics look worse than an add-on for the 360 that takes extra power, well, you failed.
#53 Posted by Heirren (17711 posts) -

oh really?  3rd party aint avoiding nintendo the majority of the relevent ones support all 3 the lazy and incompetant ones complain about not having the money, and you want an example --rockstar  want another-bathesda , 

the wiiu has more ram a special  gpu that helps the cpu which 360 ps3 do not have, thus wiiu needs less power to provide next gen games

it has a  good iinnovative controller ,ive played 20 games already on wii u , wanna know my library of 360 games in the same time frame-7 .

thats right wiiu has more good games, i dont care for the power ,i just want good exclusives --something 360 fails to provide lately stop posting garbage like this power is irrelevent to the success of a console see ps3 psvita gc psp  and xbox for examples 

mariokart64fan
This isn't about wiiu and ps3/360, it's about wiiu and ps4/720.
#54 Posted by GIJames248 (2176 posts) -

I wouldn't mind a console using older tech if Nintendo wasn't raising the price with every outdated console they introduce. If they just kept selling their new stuff at $200 or something then it wouldn't be a bad deal. You would be getting another 5-6 years of current games on a lesser graphical platform but at a pretty good price. It's the fact that Nintendo is using the Wii and Wii U as consoles to raise the price while selling crappier hardware that is idiotic. For $50-100 you will likely be able to by a vastly better Sony or MS console by the end of the year.

#55 Posted by ni6htmare01 (1025 posts) -

I didn't even read the article. Is expected that the WilU GPU should be better than a 6 years old hardware! What so surprise?? But how will it measure up against the up coming PS4 and the 720??

#56 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (25830 posts) -

Its as if Nintendo has already given up. It isn't even trying anymore. Seriously, this is the best they could come up with?
Nintendo might have taken the 7th gen but they are surely not gonna take the 8th. 

AcidThunder

If Nintendo gave up they wouldn't be Damage Controlling like crazy.

#57 Posted by V3rciS (2215 posts) -

crucial information simply wasn't available in Nintendo's papers, with developers essentially left to their own devices to figure out the performance level of the hardware

OctaBech

Seriously Ninty. :( This is why 3'rd party devs avoid you like the plague.

and then people wonder... "omg why 3rd party devs left Nintendo?"

Sony almost did the same mistake with CELL but in a different way... luckily it wasn't that critical and devs adjusted to it's architecture. That's why next gen Sony decided to follow the trend including a x64/x86 cpu

#58 Posted by AcidThunder (2332 posts) -

[QUOTE="AcidThunder"]

Its as if Nintendo has already given up. It isn't even trying anymore. Seriously, this is the best they could come up with?
Nintendo might have taken the 7th gen but they are surely not gonna take the 8th. 

LegatoSkyheart

If Nintendo gave up they wouldn't be Damage Controlling like crazy.



I meant to say that it has given up trying to make a console that could compare to the tech in the market at the time of release.
This was the case with the Wii and this is the case with the Wii U 

#59 Posted by kungfool69 (2580 posts) -

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]>GPU produces less heat, which explains why the system always seems to feel cool, so Longer Life expected on the console. >GPU is only slightly more powerful than the PS3 or 360, Architecture is still too vague to prove it, but Perfect Backwards Compatibility is achieved. Pretty sure this is all you need to know.Zeviander
Thx bro.

 

dont forget it can do all this at less then half the power consumption to, THAT what is shocking.

#60 Posted by Douevenlift_bro (5237 posts) -

wii-u is outdated. shocking news indeed..

 

/sarcasm.

#61 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

 

it has a  good iinnovative controller ,ive played 20 games already on wii u mariokart64fan

What a waste of money on a bunch of trash....

#62 Posted by painguy1 (8686 posts) -

Already made a thread on this

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29348835/wii-u-gpu-detailscrazy-customized-fixed-function-gpu176-450gflops?page=0

#63 Posted by nintendoboy16 (27216 posts) -

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="AcidThunder"]

Its as if Nintendo has already given up. It isn't even trying anymore. Seriously, this is the best they could come up with?
Nintendo might have taken the 7th gen but they are surely not gonna take the 8th. 

AcidThunder

If Nintendo gave up they wouldn't be Damage Controlling like crazy.



I meant to say that it has given up trying to make a console that could compare to the tech in the market at the time of release.
This was the case with the Wii and this is the case with the Wii U 

And you know what, maybe that's for the better. Because if it didn't help them in the N64 and GameCube era, it won't help them now.

#64 Posted by AcidThunder (2332 posts) -

[QUOTE="AcidThunder"]

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

If Nintendo gave up they wouldn't be Damage Controlling like crazy.

nintendoboy16



I meant to say that it has given up trying to make a console that could compare to the tech in the market at the time of release.
This was the case with the Wii and this is the case with the Wii U 

And you know what, maybe that's for the better. Because if it didn't help them in the N64 and GameCube era, it won't help them now.

i don't know its not like this is helping them either

#65 Posted by FragTycoon (6430 posts) -

I can only think of one Nintendo franchise that would benefit from that, Zelda. For some reason I still think they will still make a skyward sword clone with a looky-loo controller gimmick and call it good.

As for 3rd party developers? Most of them have already opted out of making WiiU versions.

#66 Posted by ultraking (6904 posts) -
cool.. but wheres the games?
#67 Posted by themagicbum9720 (6505 posts) -

[QUOTE="mariokart64fan"]

 

it has a  good iinnovative controller ,ive played 20 games already on wii u StrongBlackVine

What a waste of money on a bunch of trash....

you can't tell someone they wasted money on something they enjoy.
#68 Posted by nintendoboy16 (27216 posts) -

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="AcidThunder"]

I meant to say that it has given up trying to make a console that could compare to the tech in the market at the time of release.
This was the case with the Wii and this is the case with the Wii U 

AcidThunder

And you know what, maybe that's for the better. Because if it didn't help them in the N64 and GameCube era, it won't help them now.

i don't know its not like this is helping them either

Certainly better than what happened during the times of 1996-2006, especially when the last CEO of NoJ ended up screwing the company over.

Granted Nintendo was a BIT more forgived between '96-01 with the "mature" and "hardcore", but look what happened between them in '01-'06.

#69 Posted by El_Garbanzo (285 posts) -

Sounds like 350$ well spend :lol:

#70 Posted by ronvalencia (15166 posts) -

It being more powerful than the PS3/360 shouldn't suprise anybody. GPU tech has gotten really good and cheap recently. The PS3 uses one of the last GPUs before the unified shader architecture took over and the 360 uses one of the first models of the unified shader GPUs. Bascially they have been extremely out of date for years.

The CPU speed doesn't matter as much as some people say, but it's still a factor. RAM bandwidth is another factor. I've heard bad things about the RAM bandwidth.

The next Playstation and Xbox will run circles around this thing. Even if their rumored 1.6 ghz processors are true, they still will have far more power than the WiiU will have. If the rumors that they will run an x86 based processor, then the WiiU is going to get a tiny fraction of multiplats, if any at all.

Nintendo has really kind of screwed themselves with the hardware this time around. They'll need to really ramp up the 1st party support as they won't be getting tons of 3rd party support once the other consoles are out.

Wasdie

According to http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/08/29/amd_jaguar_core_design/

If you double pump the FP unit, you can do one 256-bit AVX vector math instruction per clock. This 128-bit FP and 256-bit AVX processing is as good as a Bulldozer, Piledriver, or Steamroller core in the Opteron server chips can do.

AMD Jaguar's 128bit FPU is running double the speed of CPU's clock speed e.g. CPU @1.6Ghz with FPU @ 3.2Ghz

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#71 Posted by ronvalencia (15166 posts) -

Lol, the Wii U GPU is in the range of a HD4650. Its actually LOWER than the 4650 (Its core is based off of the R700 series of cards, aka 4xxx, so these are directly comparable)

Wii U:

Core = (320:16:8), clock = 550mhz

Radeon HD 4650:

Core: (320:32:8), clock = 650mhz

They really made the Wii U GPU not only from a line of cards that will be 5 years old in 4 months, but weaker than one of the LOWEST END cards from that line of cards tho :|

God damn nintendo. Its like they purposely went out of their way to make the system as weak as possibru. :lol:

StrongDeadlift

http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/ati-radeon-hd-5000/hd-5550/Pages/hd-5550-overview.aspx#2

Radeon HD 5550 has

  • 320 Stream Processing Units
  • 16 Texture Units
  • 32 Z/Stencil ROP Units
  • 8 Color ROP Units
#72 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

You know there is something wrong with the hardware when even the rumoured original dev kit specs look more impressive then those in the final console itself...

Instead of improving the hardware for the final system (a Power7 CPU with a AMD 7M series chip and 2-4GB unified GDDR5 memory would really make wonders for the system's graphics), they cut it down to the level it offers only a marginally improved hardware compared to the current HD twins.

Missed chance that can cost them a lot given how the Western gamers are so obsessed with graphics and specs... (let's not forget Wii's target demographics was different; and even they aren't very interested in WiiU)

#73 Posted by ronvalencia (15166 posts) -

You know there is something wrong with the hardware when even the rumoured original dev kit specs look more impressive then those in the final console itself...

Instead of improving the hardware for the final system (a Power7 CPU with a AMD 7M series chip and 2-4GB unified GDDR5 memory would really make wonders for the system's graphics), they cut it down to the level it offers only a marginally improved hardware compared to the current HD twins.

Missed chance that can cost them a lot given how the Western gamers are so obsessed with graphics and specs... (let's not forget Wii's target demographics was different; and even they aren't very interested in WiiU)

nameless12345

Power7 is LOL. Do you know the size of this chip?

"POWER7 has approximately 1.2 billion transistors and is 567 mm^2 large fabricated on a 45 nm process". At 28 nm process, Power7 could have chip size of 352.8 mm^2.

With 567 mm^2 chip size, you could have Geforce GK110 with >$800 price tag.

With 352.8 mm^2 chip size, you could have Radeon HD 7970. For games, spending Power7 level silicon budget is completely waste of space.

Intel Core i7-3770 has a chip of 160 mm^2 with 1.4 billion transistors on a 22 nm process.