Halo 4 vs Black Ops 2 (which is better)

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#101 Posted by DarkLink77 (31970 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

Because all it essentially is is map alterations. Adding a box here, a catwalk there, etc. You're welcome to post videos of forge maps that look and play completely differently from the standard unforged maps. I haven't seen anything drastically different.

Master_ShakeXXX

Sorry to break it to you, Shake, but you're completely and totally wrong on this one.

There are drastically different maps you can make it Forge.

I know, but my argument about Black Ops 2 having vastly more content and variety still stands.

Not when Forge and Custom Games (even neutered as they are) exists. And the theater mode in Halo has always been better than the theater mode in Call of Duty. That said, I'm sure the campaign is better, because Halo 4's campaign is... wooooo. Yeah.
#102 Posted by soulitane (14045 posts) -

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

The original argument was that Halo 4 has more content and variety, which isn't true.

Map alterations =/= new maps.

Master_ShakeXXX

I'm addressing a particular part of ignorance in your post, nothing more. Yes, forge can be used for map alterations, so not everything made with it is in fact a new map, but it can also be used to make entirely different maps. Something tells me you haven't spent that much time with Halo if you're trying to say forge is just map alterations. Heck for Halo Reach they practically relied on that fact to pad out the multiplayer maps. They have the same aesthetic but play entirely differently and have different layouts of every object, including geometry (well objects place to mimic geometry). You haven't given a very compelling argument as to why they're not different maps, care to at least give a valid reason as to how they can't be viewed as a new map?

Because all it essentially is is map alterations. Adding a box here, a catwalk there, etc. You're welcome to post videos of forge maps that look and play completely differently from the standard unforged maps. I haven't seen anything drastically different.

Then I take it you haven't played Halo Reach, or Halo 3 for that matter? Bungie's maps for Halo Reach are proof of this, ie quite a few are made in forge. You being ignorant isn't going to change that. So again, I'm interested as to why they're not, since as it stands it seems you're trying to argue something that you know very little about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umo7s6xmuwU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4rEJqk3fVw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a4DYCoAHvo There are some videos, all made on the same map and are totally exactly the same :o
#103 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (4845 posts) -

Halo 4 by far.

I was very surprised, but they made alot of good decisions and steps in the right direction.

Who honestly saw that coming?

CoD bacame more casual. I did not see that coming, and was disappointed in the MP. Zombies and campaign are very good though.

#104 Posted by DarkLink77 (31970 posts) -

Halo 4 by far.

I was very surprised, but they made alot of good decisions and steps in the right direction.

Who honestly saw that coming?MakeMeaSammitch

Meh. It's EZ Mode Halo. If you were good at 3 or Reach, you'll be godly at 4.

#105 Posted by Master_ShakeXXX (13361 posts) -

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Sorry to break it to you, Shake, but you're completely and totally wrong on this one.

There are drastically different maps you can make it Forge.

DarkLink77

I know, but my argument about Black Ops 2 having vastly more content and variety still stands.

Not when Forge and Custom Games (even neutered as they are) exists. And the theater mode in Halo has always been better than the theater mode in Call of Duty. That said, I'm sure the campaign is better, because Halo 4's campaign is... wooooo. Yeah.

There are custom games in CoD as well. And can you stream videos of Halo 4 matches directly to youtube? hm? can you!?

#106 Posted by DarkLink77 (31970 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

I know, but my argument about Black Ops 2 having vastly more content and variety still stands.

Master_ShakeXXX

Not when Forge and Custom Games (even neutered as they are) exists. And the theater mode in Halo has always been better than the theater mode in Call of Duty. That said, I'm sure the campaign is better, because Halo 4's campaign is... wooooo. Yeah.

There are custom games in CoD as well. And can you stream videos of Halo 4 matches directly to youtube? hm? can you!?

I doubt you can do nearly as much with them. In fact, I'll almost bet money on it.

There was a way to do that in Reach (I think), but I don't think you can in Halo 4 because going to 343 from Bungie was a step backwards in terms of features in every way.

#107 Posted by Spartan070 (16388 posts) -

You could replace Black Ops 2 with anything and the answer is still Halo 4.

JohnnyCageMK
^ This
#108 Posted by Master_ShakeXXX (13361 posts) -

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Not when Forge and Custom Games (even neutered as they are) exists. And the theater mode in Halo has always been better than the theater mode in Call of Duty. That said, I'm sure the campaign is better, because Halo 4's campaign is... wooooo. Yeah.DarkLink77

There are custom games in CoD as well. And can you stream videos of Halo 4 matches directly to youtube? hm? can you!?

I doubt you can do nearly as much with them. In fact, I'll almost bet money on it.

There was a way to do that in Reach (I think), but I don't think you can in Halo 4 because going to 343 from Bungie was a step backwards in terms of features in every way.

I haven't messed with the custom games options yet, but I know that they're there.

Black Ops 2 wins solely for the fact that it has 3 incredibly distinct and defined game modes, all entirely different from one another and are each filled to the brim with content (yes, even the campaign with it's numerous routes in story, the challenges that can be completed, and loadout possibilities). Halo 4 has one very basic and short campaign, a half-baked and forgettable Spartan Ops, and a very deep and rich multiplayer (even if it's not on par with past Halos). Basically Spartan Ops drags it way down.

#109 Posted by FireSpirit117 (1926 posts) -

Not when Forge and Custom Games (even neutered as they are) exists. And the theater mode in Halo has always been better than the theater mode in Call of Duty. That said, I'm sure the campaign is better, because Halo 4's campaign is... wooooo. Yeah.DarkLink77

You? Praising something COD-related? Without irony?

DarkLink having no shame confirmed. :P

#110 Posted by Riadon2 (1598 posts) -

Has anyone else noticed that the poll adds up to 101%?

#112 Posted by Master_ShakeXXX (13361 posts) -

Has anyone else noticed that the poll adds up to 101%?

Riadon2

Blame gufu. They are the 1%.

#113 Posted by ujjval16 (1669 posts) -
I miss the days of Halo 3 vs CoD4. At least then we were comparing amazing games. Halo 4 is good, but can't compete with the rest of the series. Black Ops 2, though I do not own it, I have played it, and it seems like a step up from MW3, but that's not saying much.
#114 Posted by Spartan070 (16388 posts) -
I miss the days of Halo 3 vs CoD4. At least then we were comparing amazing games. Halo 4 is good, but can't compete with the rest of the series. Black Ops 2, though I do not own it, I have played it, and it seems like a step up from MW3, but that's not saying much. ujjval16
Halo 4 can't compete with the rest of the series?
#115 Posted by JohnnyCageMK (4365 posts) -

[QUOTE="ujjval16"]I miss the days of Halo 3 vs CoD4. At least then we were comparing amazing games. Halo 4 is good, but can't compete with the rest of the series. Black Ops 2, though I do not own it, I have played it, and it seems like a step up from MW3, but that's not saying much. Spartan070
Halo 4 can't compete with the rest of the series?

4 has the 2nd best mp in the series after 2 IMO.

#116 Posted by MercenaryMafia (2917 posts) -
Halo 4
#117 Posted by moistsandwich (25 posts) -

Hard to answer... I'd say Halo 4 is better.... but I have more fun playing CoD: BO2

Allow me to explain, as my previous comment seems to make very little sense.

Halo 4 is more challenging online.

CoD BO2 I often end a game with 4:1 k/d ratio.... so because I'm doing better I enjoy it more. But judging them by whats available and gameplay... I'd have to say Halo 4 is the better MP game.

In Halo, crazy random HOLY SH*T moments happen with regularity. Not so much in BO2

#118 Posted by HaloPimp978 (7329 posts) -

Halo 4 all day. The only good thing about Blops 2 is the Zombies.

#119 Posted by ujjval16 (1669 posts) -

[QUOTE="ujjval16"]I miss the days of Halo 3 vs CoD4. At least then we were comparing amazing games. Halo 4 is good, but can't compete with the rest of the series. Black Ops 2, though I do not own it, I have played it, and it seems like a step up from MW3, but that's not saying much. Spartan070
Halo 4 can't compete with the rest of the series?

Nope it can't. The campaign was too short, even for a Halo game, all the levels were just "push this button,"and on top of that they made Cortana annoying. The covenant were interesting to fight in previous games, and now they just look weird. The "I've wanted to do that for so long" line just made me cringe. Spartan Ops is the same crap as Campaign except they got rid of firefight. Multiplayer has lowered the skill gap by a large amount. No more descoping when shot, no weapons on map, random ordinance, and so on. They butchred custom games and forge. I played over 6000 games between Halo 2, 3, and Reach, and I got bored of Halo 4 after a week.

#120 Posted by Master_ShakeXXX (13361 posts) -

I miss the days of Halo 3 vs CoD4. At least then we were comparing amazing games. Halo 4 is good, but can't compete with the rest of the series. Black Ops 2, though I do not own it, I have played it, and it seems like a step up from MW3, but that's not saying much.ujjval16

It's a big step up from MW3 in like every. possible. way.

#121 Posted by DarkLink77 (31970 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Not when Forge and Custom Games (even neutered as they are) exists. And the theater mode in Halo has always been better than the theater mode in Call of Duty. That said, I'm sure the campaign is better, because Halo 4's campaign is... wooooo. Yeah.FireSpirit117

You? Praising something COD-related? Without irony?

DarkLink having no shame confirmed. :P

Well...I...uh....
#122 Posted by Cloud567kar (2656 posts) -

Halo 4

#123 Posted by D3dr0_0 (3502 posts) -

Having a lot of fun with Halo 4.

#124 Posted by chaotzu (773 posts) -
So I guess the better question is if the majority here agrees that Halo 4 is the better game, then why is BLOPS 2 outselling it?
#125 Posted by D3dr0_0 (3502 posts) -
So I guess the better question is if the majority here agrees that Halo 4 is the better game, then why is BLOPS 2 outselling it?chaotzu
Because it's on multiple systems.
#126 Posted by Master_ShakeXXX (13361 posts) -

So I guess the better question is if the majority here agrees that Halo 4 is the better game, then why is BLOPS 2 outselling it?chaotzu

It's cool to hate CoD on the internet, brah.

And it's safe to assume that most of the votes on the poll came from people who haven't played both games, which is why polls are worthless.

#127 Posted by Grawse (4342 posts) -
Voted Halo 4 because I'm done with CoD. Series is absolute garbage. Tired of wasting my time and money on it hoping it will be the one.
#128 Posted by khoofia_pika (13556 posts) -
Halo 4, but surprisingly, it's quite evenly matched.
#129 Posted by CanYouDiglt (7633 posts) -
I have only played Halo 4 but Blops 2 would have to pretty damn amazing to be better. I for sure want to play Blops 2 later on though.
#130 Posted by Primordialous (1313 posts) -
How can you even compare the two? Halo 4 is by far superior.
#131 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

I have barely played Halo 4 at all, I spent 10 minutes playing the campaign and only about an 30 minutes playing Team Slayer online. I have spent over 20-30 hours on Black Ops 2 already, it's the best shooter I have ever played.

So for me Black Ops 2, hands down. Even if I did play more of Halo 4 it wouldn't matter, I'm not really a Halo fan so the game is nothing special to me.

#132 Posted by JohnnyCageMK (4365 posts) -

I have barely played Halo 4 at all, I spent 10 minutes playing the campaign and only about an 30 minutes playing Team Slayer online. I have spent over 20-30 hours on Black Ops 2 already, it's the best shooter I have ever played.

So for me Black Ops 2, hands down. Even if I did play more of Halo 4 it wouldn't matter, I'm not really a Halo fan so the game is nothing special to me.

ShadowMoses900

You have not played Halo 4. If so tell us your gamertag right now.

#133 Posted by Primordialous (1313 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I have barely played Halo 4 at all, I spent 10 minutes playing the campaign and only about an 30 minutes playing Team Slayer online. I have spent over 20-30 hours on Black Ops 2 already, it's the best shooter I have ever played.

So for me Black Ops 2, hands down. Even if I did play more of Halo 4 it wouldn't matter, I'm not really a Halo fan so the game is nothing special to me.

JohnnyCageMK

You have not played Halo 4. If so tell us your gamertag right now.

And Johnny is at it again... I also doubt shadowmoses has even played Halo 4....he's one of the biggest cows on this forum.
#134 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I have barely played Halo 4 at all, I spent 10 minutes playing the campaign and only about an 30 minutes playing Team Slayer online. I have spent over 20-30 hours on Black Ops 2 already, it's the best shooter I have ever played.

So for me Black Ops 2, hands down. Even if I did play more of Halo 4 it wouldn't matter, I'm not really a Halo fan so the game is nothing special to me.

Primordialous

You have not played Halo 4. If so tell us your gamertag right now.

And Johnny is at it again... I also doubt shadowmoses has even played Halo 4....he's one of the biggest cows on this forum.

I play it at my friends, we play lot's of games together. We will be doing a Black Ops 2 zombie night tomorrow, I'm very good at Tranzit and I know where lot's of things are. Did you know you can get to the building that was used for WAW zombies? It's true, I found it in the corn fields, but it's a bit confusing to get to.

#135 Posted by TrueAmerican007 (671 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I have barely played Halo 4 at all, I spent 10 minutes playing the campaign and only about an 30 minutes playing Team Slayer online. I have spent over 20-30 hours on Black Ops 2 already, it's the best shooter I have ever played.

So for me Black Ops 2, hands down. Even if I did play more of Halo 4 it wouldn't matter, I'm not really a Halo fan so the game is nothing special to me.

JohnnyCageMK

You have not played Halo 4. If so tell us your gamertag right now.

He played it at his imaginary friend's house.
#136 Posted by Primordialous (1313 posts) -

[QUOTE="Primordialous"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]

You have not played Halo 4. If so tell us your gamertag right now.

ShadowMoses900

And Johnny is at it again... I also doubt shadowmoses has even played Halo 4....he's one of the biggest cows on this forum.

I play it at my friends, we play lot's of games together. We will be doing a Black Ops 2 zombie night tomorrow, I'm very good at Tranzit and I know where lot's of things are. Did you know you can get to the building that was used for WAW zombies? It's true, I found it in the corn fields, but it's a bit confusing to get to.

Listen...that's great and all that you think BO2 is a good game....but you really don't have to tell me, as I dislike that game. Deal? Deal.
#137 Posted by JohnnyCageMK (4365 posts) -

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I have barely played Halo 4 at all, I spent 10 minutes playing the campaign and only about an 30 minutes playing Team Slayer online. I have spent over 20-30 hours on Black Ops 2 already, it's the best shooter I have ever played.

So for me Black Ops 2, hands down. Even if I did play more of Halo 4 it wouldn't matter, I'm not really a Halo fan so the game is nothing special to me.

TrueAmerican007

You have not played Halo 4. If so tell us your gamertag right now.

He played it at his imaginary friend's house.

lol like always. That's always his excuse for every lie he gets caught in. He just makes up a new friend.

#138 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I have barely played Halo 4 at all, I spent 10 minutes playing the campaign and only about an 30 minutes playing Team Slayer online. I have spent over 20-30 hours on Black Ops 2 already, it's the best shooter I have ever played.

So for me Black Ops 2, hands down. Even if I did play more of Halo 4 it wouldn't matter, I'm not really a Halo fan so the game is nothing special to me.

TrueAmerican007

You have not played Halo 4. If so tell us your gamertag right now.

He played it at his imaginary friend's house.

Lol a bunch of Johnny Cage alts.....

#139 Posted by Primordialous (1313 posts) -

[QUOTE="TrueAmerican007"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]

You have not played Halo 4. If so tell us your gamertag right now.

JohnnyCageMK

He played it at his imaginary friend's house.

lol like always. That's always his excuse for every lie he gets caught in. He just makes up a new friend.

I'm starting to wonder if ShadowMoses is in anyway related to kuraimen or free_milk...
#140 Posted by TrueAmerican007 (671 posts) -

[QUOTE="TrueAmerican007"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]

You have not played Halo 4. If so tell us your gamertag right now.

ShadowMoses900

He played it at his imaginary friend's house.

Lol a bunch of Johnny Cage alts.....

U mad PS All stars flopped hard?
#141 Posted by campzor (34932 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="campzor"] Ontopic: Multiplayer is definitely better, that was expected seeing as every cods mp(except #3) dating back to the first on pc has been better than every halo'sJohnnyCageMK

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He must not have played Halo 2 aka the best mp of all time.

i played halo 2 extensively..but it still doesnt even compare to black ops...the worst of the cod mps...yet alone the first cod.
#142 Posted by Master_ShakeXXX (13361 posts) -

[QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

2lctik4jpg.gif

campzor

He must not have played Halo 2 aka the best mp of all time.

i played halo 2 extensively..but it still doesnt even compare to black ops...the worst of the cod mps...yet alone the first cod.

And this is why people never take you seriously...

#143 Posted by campzor (34932 posts) -

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="JohnnyCageMK"]

He must not have played Halo 2 aka the best mp of all time.

Master_ShakeXXX

i played halo 2 extensively..but it still doesnt even compare to black ops...the worst of the cod mps...yet alone the first cod.

And this is why people never take you seriously...

and is that because you think halo 2 mp is better than cod or because you think black ops 1 actually had good mp?
#144 Posted by OB-47 (10909 posts) -

Halo 4, although Black Ops 2 from videos impresses me quite a bit in not only the fact that Trey attempted to change up the formula as much as possible, but also make it a pretty good game. Graphics are pretty nice too.

#145 Posted by Master_ShakeXXX (13361 posts) -

[QUOTE="Master_ShakeXXX"]

[QUOTE="campzor"] i played halo 2 extensively..but it still doesnt even compare to black ops...the worst of the cod mps...yet alone the first cod.campzor

And this is why people never take you seriously...

and is that because you think halo 2 mp is better than cod or because you think black ops 1 actually had good mp?

Black Ops had good multiplayer, but Halo 2 is on an entirely different level. It is indeed one of the greatest multiplayer games ever made.

#146 Posted by Ly_the_Fairy (8541 posts) -

If you demand a game that requires skill and accuracy to win gun fights, as well as teamwork to maintain map/weapon/vehicle control you choose Halo 4

If you just want to run around killing dudes without much thought you choose Blops2

Just depends what you want out of a game.

#147 Posted by Zubinen (2557 posts) -
MP wise I haven't enjoyed Halo 3, Reach, or 4 and BO2 while amusing at first only held my interest for a couple hours, for the campaign it's hard to say, Halo 4 is definitely much better SP wise than Halo: Reach where I felt like finishing every level as fast as possible because I just wanted to get through it, I'd like to replay both although BO2 definitely looks much better at least on the PC(even at lower native resolutions): http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/559832147583493998/2038482E35E529EAF22CA2EBC85059DADEA4F9D8/
#148 Posted by Master_ShakeXXX (13361 posts) -

If you demand a game that requires skill and accuracy to win gun fights, as well as teamwork to maintain map/weapon/vehicle control you choose Halo CE, Halo 2, and Halo 3

If you just want to run around killing dudes without much thought you choose Blops2

Just depends what you want out of a game.

Ly_the_Fairy

*fixed

#149 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="TrueAmerican007"] He played it at his imaginary friend's house.TrueAmerican007

Lol a bunch of Johnny Cage alts.....

U mad PS All stars flopped hard?

Nope, not at all. I'm loving the game, I don't care what score it got. It may be a flop on system wars, but to me the game is great.

I'm so glad I didn't listen to that reviewers opinion, I would have missed out on a truly great game if I did. Lately I have found GS reviews to be very unhelpful, Zombie U, Resident Evil 6, All-Stars, they seem to underrate everything. I don't put much stock in their reviews, not that I put much stalk in reviews to begin with.

#150 Posted by Salt_The_Fries (10416 posts) -
Also Halo 4 requires significantly more skill to master in MP than Black Ops 2.