Halo 4 dropped from MLG like hot garbage: BLOPS2 superiority confirmed

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#101 Posted by Obviously_Right (5320 posts) -

[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

Participated in MLG back in the Halo days and while I'm not likely the best candidate to opine about which shooters are the most respectable, Halo 4 is the least interesting/competitive of the online MP Halo games. But then again, I thought Reach was either the best or second only to Halo 2 and apparently MLG outlawed it as well, so eh.

Ly_the_Fairy

Halo 4 is way more balanced than Halo Reach was.

Eww Halo Reach

Yup, its true.

If you exclude the Boltshot, Ordnance drops, no health bar, and even more OP DMR.

#102 Posted by DarkLink77 (31886 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

Participated in MLG back in the Halo days and while I'm not likely the best candidate to opine about which shooters are the most respectable, Halo 4 is the least interesting/competitive of the online MP Halo games. But then again, I thought Reach was either the best or second only to Halo 2 and apparently MLG outlawed it as well, so eh.

Obviously_Right

Halo 4 is way more balanced than Halo Reach was.

Eww Halo Reach

Yup, its true.

If you exclude the Boltshot, Ordnance drops, no health bar, and even more OP DMR.

And the sheer randomness of everything in the game. At least you could fix Reach to make it competitive with Forge. There is no way to fix Halo 4 without gutting most of the game.
#103 Posted by Ly_the_Fairy (8541 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

Participated in MLG back in the Halo days and while I'm not likely the best candidate to opine about which shooters are the most respectable, Halo 4 is the least interesting/competitive of the online MP Halo games. But then again, I thought Reach was either the best or second only to Halo 2 and apparently MLG outlawed it as well, so eh.

Obviously_Right

Halo 4 is way more balanced than Halo Reach was.

Eww Halo Reach

Yup, its true.

If you exclude the Boltshot, Ordnance drops, no health bar, and even more OP DMR.

Neither the bolt shot, or the DMR are OP.

No health bar doesn't really mean anything in terms of balance.

Ordinance drops I can definitely agree with, but they don't come near close to the imbalance of armor abilities in Reach.

#104 Posted by RoccoHout (1009 posts) -

lol MLG :lol: :lol:

#105 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (43223 posts) -
[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

Halo 4 is way more balanced than Halo Reach was.

Eww Halo Reach

DarkLink77

Yup, its true.

If you exclude the Boltshot, Ordnance drops, no health bar, and even more OP DMR.

And the sheer randomness of everything in the game. At least you could fix Reach to make it competitive with Forge. There is no way to fix Halo 4 without gutting most of the game.

You can do the same for Halo 4, don't be silly.
#106 Posted by AnXboxGuy (50 posts) -

Black Ops 2 sucks, ha-ha. Why even try with this post?

#107 Posted by TheDidact (3986 posts) -

lol @ halonabs saying MLG is a joke, Halo is a joke, MLG is as big as it's ever been, they got their act together, they focus on games like Starcraft and League of Legends now.

People that dismiss esports don't realize how fast and hard it's growing, and the future will only become more digital, more virtual, it's keeps getting bigger and bigger.

Season 2 LoL finals had like 8 million viewers total, that's just insane, it's mroe then a lot of sporting events. LoL alone has more people watching streams on a daily basis then playing Halo online. Think about that for a second.

And before you ignorant nerds start calling people that like esports nerds rememebr where you are and what you're hobby is. Anyone that's ever been seriously addicted in a competitive game has always enjoyed watching the best of the best play said game.

Eddie-Vedder
But there aren't any PS3 exclusives in MLG. I guess Uncharted, Killzone, and Resistance all suck right?
#108 Posted by TheDidact (3986 posts) -

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

Halo 4 is way more balanced than Halo Reach was.

Eww Halo Reach

Ly_the_Fairy

Yup, its true.

If you exclude the Boltshot, Ordnance drops, no health bar, and even more OP DMR.

Neither the bolt shot, or the DMR are OP

What are you smoking?

#109 Posted by Obviously_Right (5320 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

[QUOTE="Obviously_Right"]

Yup, its true.

If you exclude the Boltshot, Ordnance drops, no health bar, and even more OP DMR.

TheDidact

Neither the bolt shot, or the DMR are OP

What are you smoking?

Crack.

#110 Posted by super600 (31038 posts) -

I basically never play MP games. Interesting that adding more mobility and freedom make the game more casual. I guess I kind of understand it, as it makes it tougher to develop strategies, but still.

Sushiglutton

Actually the ordinance drops influence competitve gameplay the most, but you pretty much need to be good at using most of the weapons dropped by ordinance to actually benefit from ordinance drops.Their are some ridiculously powerful guns or grenades in loadouts which is a problem.

#111 Posted by DarkLink77 (31886 posts) -

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]

I basically never play MP games. Interesting that adding more mobility and freedom make the game more casual. I guess I kind of understand it, as it makes it tougher to develop strategies, but still.

super600

Actually the ordinance drops influence competitve gameplay the most, but you pretty much need to be good at using most of the weapons dropped by ordinance to actually benefit from ordinance drops.Their are some ridiculously powerful guns or grenades in loadouts which is a problem.

It's mostly just the randomness behind it all. You could get grenades and a needler from your Ordinance and the entire other team could get Binary Rifles from theirs.

I've seen that happen once. It was not pretty.

#112 Posted by mitu123 (154609 posts) -

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]

I basically never play MP games. Interesting that adding more mobility and freedom make the game more casual. I guess I kind of understand it, as it makes it tougher to develop strategies, but still.

DarkLink77

Actually the ordinance drops influence competitve gameplay the most, but you pretty much need to be good at using most of the weapons dropped by ordinance to actually benefit from ordinance drops.Their are some ridiculously powerful guns or grenades in loadouts which is a problem.

It's mostly just the randomness behind it all. You could get grenades and a needler from your Ordinance and the entire other team could get Binary Rifles from theirs.

I've seen that happen once. It was not pretty.

Just the thought of that makes me shiver!

#113 Posted by super600 (31038 posts) -

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]

I basically never play MP games. Interesting that adding more mobility and freedom make the game more casual. I guess I kind of understand it, as it makes it tougher to develop strategies, but still.

DarkLink77

Actually the ordinance drops influence competitve gameplay the most, but you pretty much need to be good at using most of the weapons dropped by ordinance to actually benefit from ordinance drops.Their are some ridiculously powerful guns or grenades in loadouts which is a problem.

It's mostly just the randomness behind it all. You could get grenades and a needler from your Ordinance and the entire other team could get Binary Rifles from theirs.

I've seen that happen once. It was not pretty.

My experience is from being killed when I had an ordinance weapon.Their are some weapons I suck at using like the sniper rifle and I pretty much get destroyed the instant I attempt to use that ordinance weapon.

#114 Posted by the_bi99man (11058 posts) -

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="Riadon2"]

MLG... lol...

Let's see them play a game of CS 1.6 or Quake Live

seanmcloughlin

I never understood the love for 1.6...stick to Source or GO...get ith the times man!

From what I hear 1.6 is still the best/ No point getting with the times if the older version is better.

Then again I've never played a CS game in my life, despite loving FPS games. CS is intimidating

I regularly play all three. Lately I've been playing more of GO, because I likes the pretty (relatively) graphics, and I've really come to enjoy a lot of the new maps, but 1.6 is still extremely playable, highly polished, and definitely has the best of the best players. Also, still the most popluated, by far. With source and GO, there's usually plenty of servers with plenty of people, but there are also downtimes where it might get as low as like 3 or 4 regular (non-custom) full servers. Load up the server list in 1.6, and there's several dozen full servers, with spectators waiting in line, all day, every day, without fail.

#115 Posted by Ly_the_Fairy (8541 posts) -

[QUOTE="TheDidact"][QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

Neither the bolt shot, or the DMR are OPObviously_Right

What are you smoking?

Crack.

You two should realize the DMR has the exact same kill time as every other primary weapon (technically the Light Rifle can be faster or slower depending on zoom), but suffers a greater penalty per missed shot.

You might do better with the DMR in comparison to all other weapons, but it's out of preference. I personally use the carbine, and storm rifle most of the time.

You guys saying the bolt shot is OP is literally the first time I've ever heard that since Halo 4's existence. I'm not sure why you think that.

#116 Posted by Chutebox (38091 posts) -

Don't care about MLG (lol) and don't care about Halo. And even if I did care about Halo, this still would literally mean nothing.

#117 Posted by HavocV3 (7951 posts) -

[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

Participated in MLG back in the Halo days and while I'm not likely the best candidate to opine about which shooters are the most respectable, Halo 4 is the least interesting/competitive of the online MP Halo games. But then again, I thought Reach was either the best or second only to Halo 2 and apparently MLG outlawed it as well, so eh.

Ly_the_Fairy

Halo 4 is way more balanced than Halo Reach was.

Eww Halo Reach

lolno.

Halo 4 is the worst, most unbalanced Halo game to date.

#118 Posted by VendettaRed07 (14012 posts) -

Yeah, the single player was great but I don't like the multiplayer. Halo 3 still has the best multiplayer. Ill be crushed when they shut that down..

#119 Posted by LustForSoul (5910 posts) -
Doesn't mean it's garbage. It means the multiplayer is different than the 2 way lane maps that is CS.
#120 Posted by HavocV3 (7951 posts) -

Halo 3 still has the best multiplayer.

VendettaRed07

QFT.

#121 Posted by HavocV3 (7951 posts) -

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]

I basically never play MP games. Interesting that adding more mobility and freedom make the game more casual. I guess I kind of understand it, as it makes it tougher to develop strategies, but still.

DarkLink77

Actually the ordinance drops influence competitve gameplay the most, but you pretty much need to be good at using most of the weapons dropped by ordinance to actually benefit from ordinance drops.Their are some ridiculously powerful guns or grenades in loadouts which is a problem.

It's mostly just the randomness behind it all. You could get grenades and a needler from your Ordinance and the entire other team could get Binary Rifles from theirs.

I've seen that happen once. It was not pretty.

I've seen 3 Splasers on the enemy team before.

BTB is not playable if something like that is possible....

#122 Posted by madsnakehhh (14944 posts) -

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

To be fair, nobody comes to GS to watch E-Sports, you should try Spooky Team on TwichTV for fighters and GomTV or NASL TV for Starcraft 2, at least that's what i follow, viwers numbers never hit the millions, but they alwaus have a consistant audience that allows the crew and the players to continue, is not as big as i would liked to be, but is no joke either.

Truth_Hurts_U

Sure it is... I was playing mech warrior durning the day they were doing twitchTV with devs and top players. They were playing the most OP specs that the dev's said they were going to nerf.

Pretty safe to say we got mopped. But I got the only kill. Not bad for having 4 people focus train you with unbalanced weapon builds.

I liked arena on old G4... They played 3 or 4 games in a show and it was fun to watch. No drama... Just pure fun.

Fun will always be there, i'll go back to the Figthing Community since that's what i follow the most, and every once in a while they come up with some sort of crazy event, like playing random games from the past, one day they played that old and terrible Star Wars fighting game for the PS1, it was hilarious, you don't always need the drama to have fun and E-Sports are aware of that, still there is nothing like a great match between to great players figthing over a price, it get's really fun too.

#123 Posted by getyeryayasout (8412 posts) -

"At top levels, players used to know where anyone could be on a map, where they could hit them from, and where they were likely to run to, but give them a jetpack and suddenly all that knowledge goes out the window.

The real problem with Halo 4 is that it introduced more randomness than ever into multiplayer gameplay. That might be perfectly fun for regular players, many of whom were proud to announce Halo was back! with last years new game, but its vastly different from how Halo used to function for pros"

So basically Halo 4 makes people try to adapt to new challenges and stops a 1 way system type gameplay. Honestly this has to be the biggest pile of **** I have ever seen that relates to anything being "pro". Why shouldn't there be more things to contend with that can effect the game? Truely embarrasing.

o0squishy0o
Agreed, it comes off sounding like Halo 4 is too difficult now. Pros?
#124 Posted by Microsoft1234 (7677 posts) -
it's not that at all, it's that 343 didn't want to collaborate and help with customs. MLG v1 was still really good. they just couldn't add some things. I think it has a chance to come back, 343 just didn't watn to do enough. This game is much better than reach, the community knows that too
#125 Posted by campzor (34932 posts) -
They finally see the superior franchise but on the other hand
MLG is a joke. SAGE_OF_FIRE
#126 Posted by HavocV3 (7951 posts) -

it's not that at all, it's that 343 didn't want to collaborate and help with customs. MLG v1 was still really good. they just couldn't add some things. I think it has a chance to come back, 343 just didn't watn to do enough. This game is much better than reach, the community knows that tooMicrosoft1234

nope.

the community is slowly coming to the realization that Reach wasn't as bad as they previously thought. Anyone who frequents the Halowaypoint forums can see this.

And it's probably because Reach is a lot closer to being a 'true' Halo game. Halo 4 takes a lot of things Reach did wrong and mixes a bunch of bad COD elements in.

If you actually think Halo 4 MP is better....loldelusion.

#127 Posted by Ly_the_Fairy (8541 posts) -

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"]it's not that at all, it's that 343 didn't want to collaborate and help with customs. MLG v1 was still really good. they just couldn't add some things. I think it has a chance to come back, 343 just didn't watn to do enough. This game is much better than reach, the community knows that tooHavocV3

nope.

the community is slowly coming to the realization that Reach wasn't as bad as they previously thought. Anyone who frequents the Halowaypoint forums can see this.

And it's probably because Reach is a lot closer to being a 'true' Halo game. Halo 4 takes a lot of things Reach did wrong and mixes a bunch of bad COD elements in.

If you actually think Halo 4 MP is better....loldelusion.

Halo 4 took elements like armor abilities, and balanced them, and what's great is they incorporated similar functionalities to Halo 3's equipment into some of them which is a major plus.

Loadouts from CoD are a very welcome change to Halo. In all the time I've played Halo 4 I've never once spawned in the middle of nowhere with nothing, but an assault rifle and a plasma pistol as people rained death upon me with battle rifles. That feels terrific.

I can easily agree to ordinances being terrible as any type of random chance is bad for competitive games, but I've only seen one game, out of hundreds, where the enemy team found themselves equipped with an arsenal of power weapons. I wish ordinances were gone, but I don't think they compare to the share broken-ness of Halo Reach's armor abilities.

It also sucks that Halo 4 is at it's most balanced if every single person playing has unlocked every specialization, but it's not the most major thing.

Personally I'd play Halo 3 for the rest of my life if the community stayed big enough. Sadly it didn't, but Halo 4 is very welcome change over Reach to me, and my friends. It went from playing thousands of hours across Halo 1, 2 and 3, to being disgusted by Reach, and now we're all playing Halo 4 again.

#128 Posted by Hexagon_777 (20072 posts) -

[QUOTE="Riadon2"]

MLG... lol...

Let's see them play a game of CS 1.6 or Quake Live

DrTrafalgarLaw

I never understood the love for 1.6...stick to Source or GO...get ith the times man!

Counter-Strike has almost the same number of players as Counter-Strike: Source and Counter-Strike: Global Offensive combined. :o

#129 Posted by walkingdream (4883 posts) -
Wait people play COD competitively? Halo:CE will always hold the title of first Console game to be played at MLG.
#130 Posted by TheEpicGoat (2006 posts) -

it's not that at all, it's that 343 didn't want to collaborate and help with customs. MLG v1 was still really good. they just couldn't add some things. I think it has a chance to come back, 343 just didn't watn to do enough. This game is much better than reach, the community knows that tooMicrosoft1234

Nah, atleast Reach had map control for power weapons, with Halo 4 your team doesn't even matter.

#131 Posted by jessejay420 (4089 posts) -

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

You try too hard.

Goyoshi12

And he got so far, but in the end.....it doesn't even matter.

He had to fall to lose it all..
#132 Posted by Doolz2024 (9621 posts) -

As an MLG gamer I can confirm this. Halo 4 takes no skill.

PhazonBlazer

The amount of aim assist it has is absurd.

#133 Posted by OB-47 (10909 posts) -

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="Riadon2"]

MLG... lol...

Let's see them play a game of CS 1.6 or Quake Live

seanmcloughlin

I never understood the love for 1.6...stick to Source or GO...get ith the times man!

From what I hear 1.6 is still the best/ No point getting with the times if the older version is better.

Then again I've never played a CS game in my life, despite loving FPS games. CS is intimidating

Oh seriously.

The love for 1.6 is beyond stupid. It's just that 1.6 fanboys rote learned everything about the game and couldn't even adjust to a few physics changes. It's the only fanbase that actually b!tches about subtle changes

#134 Posted by HarlockJC (25546 posts) -
Wait people play COD competitively? Halo:CE will always hold the title of first Console game to be played at MLG. walkingdream
Halo will still be played Pro as well..just someone else bought out the rights from MS. Play the most competitive esports is LOL anyways.
#135 Posted by skrat_01 (33767 posts) -
These days Starcraft 2 dominates MLG viewership anway, from what I know. Odd news though, Halo has a legacy there and whilst I haven't played the 4th, it's usually a good competitive console shooter.
#136 Posted by jimmyrussle117 (850 posts) -

>console gamers playing profesinally
HAHAHAHAHAHAH

#137 Posted by II_Seraphim_II (20502 posts) -
i dont see the problem. Everyone is still on equal footing." No matter the increased randomness, skill is still the defining factor.
#138 Posted by glez13 (9016 posts) -

MLG is for brogamers anyways. Even the game with the most rep that they currently host (Starcraft 2) shows a lack of top players.

#139 Posted by sonic1564 (3265 posts) -

MLG

Men

Lacking

Girlfriends

#140 Posted by Eddie-Vedder (7804 posts) -
[QUOTE="Vatusus"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I don't recall anyone here ever making that argument. I certainly haven't.DarkLink77

I do. In a Halo vs Killzone thread a while ago. I'm too lazy to find it but take my word on it. Actually, knowing SW is not that hard to believe in my word.

I'm sure some people have said it, but it's terrible argument. League of Legends is garbage from a competitive standpoint because it's all about the metagame and what is the most OP at any given time.

Wow this kid is ignorant. There are bans in LoL, and the top top teams have remained top teams since pretty much forever, the meta changed, patches came and went, new champs were released and the top teams remained top teams. League is an incredible game competitive wise, that's all it is, there is no single player, it's a competitive game at it's root.
#141 Posted by Eddie-Vedder (7804 posts) -

MLG

Men

Lacking

Girlfriends

sonic1564
[x]Mario avatar [x]High post count [x]Is on a gaming forum
#142 Posted by percech (5237 posts) -
Why is this thread still going when it was already established that the reason had nothing to do with the bullshiit article in the op?
#143 Posted by HarlockJC (25546 posts) -

[QUOTE="sonic1564"]

MLG

Men

Lacking

Girlfriends

Eddie-Vedder

[x]Mario avatar [x]High post count [x]Is on a gaming forum

I have homestar runner, so I am not far off. Married with kids, still think Mario games are some of the best ever made. As agreed upon by most reviews....Lets not stereotype shall we

Both of you

#144 Posted by Eddie-Vedder (7804 posts) -

[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"][QUOTE="sonic1564"]

MLG

Men

Lacking

Girlfriends

HarlockJC

[x]Mario avatar [x]High post count [x]Is on a gaming forum

I have homestar runner, so I am not far off. Married with kids, still think Mario games are some of the best ever made. As agreed upon by most reviews....Lets not stereotype shall we

Both of you

What do you mean both of you, that was exactly my point. I like Mario games too, that's irrelevant, his comment was just moronic coming from someone with a mario avatar on a gaming forum.
#145 Posted by the_bi99man (11058 posts) -

[QUOTE="Goyoshi12"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

You try too hard.

jessejay420

And he got so far, but in the end.....it doesn't even matter.

He had to fall to lose it all..

Haha.

Nice.

#146 Posted by HarlockJC (25546 posts) -
[QUOTE="Eddie-Vedder"] What do you mean both of you, that was exactly my point. I like Mario games too, that's irrelevant, his comment was just moronic coming from someone with a mario avatar on a gaming forum.

You are correct my mistake, I misread what you were trying to say.
#147 Posted by CanYouDiglt (7607 posts) -
So why are the cows laughing? It is not like any PS3 games have ever been a major game in MLG. Halo has been in MLG for years unlike any PS3 exclusive. It even shows when they are celebrating about CoD a game that is not only multiplat but one that sells better on the 360.
#148 Posted by delta3074 (18811 posts) -
How many Ps3 exclusives actually make it to the MLG? And cows accuse lems of using multiplats for ownage,lol
#149 Posted by delta3074 (18811 posts) -
So why are the cows laughing? It is not like any PS3 games have ever been a major game in MLG. Halo has been in MLG for years unlike any PS3 exclusive. It even shows when they are celebrating about CoD a game that is not only multiplat but one that sells better on the 360. CanYouDiglt
Darn it, you beat me to it, Again:)
#150 Posted by Iantheone (8242 posts) -
BO2 in MLG? Yeaahhhh right