graphics matter

i hear so many people whinge on about this and thats it's not next gen if it's only improved graphics blahdy blah. graphics do matter and every gen had it's fair share of bog standard games. if graphics didn't matter we would all still be happy with pong and space invaders and pac man etc. games will not vastly change in the future (only improved ai and bigger worlds etc...), the only huge leaps will be how they look, so yeah great graphics bring it on

if thats not what you want then why did you get a this gen system?

i hear so many people whinge on about this and thats it's not next gen if it's only improved graphics blahdy blah. graphics do matter and every gen had it's fair share of bog standard games. if graphics didn't matter we would all still be happy with pong and space invaders and pac man etc. games will not vastly change in the future (only improved ai and bigger worlds etc...), the only huge leaps will be how they look, so yeah great graphics bring it on

if thats not what you want then why did you get a this gen system?

geordie73

But, gameplay is, and always will be more important.

[QUOTE="geordie73"]

i hear so many people whinge on about this and thats it's not next gen if it's only improved graphics blahdy blah. graphics do matter and every gen had it's fair share of bog standard games. if graphics didn't matter we would all still be happy with pong and space invaders and pac man etc. games will not vastly change in the future (only improved ai and bigger worlds etc...), the only huge leaps will be how they look, so yeah great graphics bring it on

if thats not what you want then why did you get a this gen system?

thrones

But, gameplay is, and always will be more important.

oh for heavens sake, yes we all know that, you miss my point

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="geordie73"]

i hear so many people whinge on about this and thats it's not next gen if it's only improved graphics blahdy blah. graphics do matter and every gen had it's fair share of bog standard games. if graphics didn't matter we would all still be happy with pong and space invaders and pac man etc. games will not vastly change in the future (only improved ai and bigger worlds etc...), the only huge leaps will be how they look, so yeah great graphics bring it on

if thats not what you want then why did you get a this gen system?

geordie73

But, gameplay is, and always will be more important.

oh for heavens sake, yes we all know that, you miss my point

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="geordie73"]

i hear so many people whinge on about this and thats it's not next gen if it's only improved graphics blahdy blah. graphics do matter and every gen had it's fair share of bog standard games. if graphics didn't matter we would all still be happy with pong and space invaders and pac man etc. games will not vastly change in the future (only improved ai and bigger worlds etc...), the only huge leaps will be how they look, so yeah great graphics bring it on

if thats not what you want then why did you get a this gen system?

geordie73

But, gameplay is, and always will be more important.

oh for heavens sake, yes we all know that, you miss my point

I think your point is lost on 70% of the population. I don't really care for graphical bumps much anymore (I did in the Unreal Engine 1 days and prior, but I've since grown out of it). It seems like a lot of gamers take a similar approach.

Realistically, look at the popular games/gaming consoles of the past. The PS1 and PS2 had some of the worst graphics of their generation. The GTA series had pretty awful graphics and Counter Strike is still being played today by a large amount of people, but they are adored. Sure, there are some games that have a lot of fans that sell well (MGS, Gran Turismo, etc) but the fact that two of the most cherished consoles and at least two (4 if you count all of the GTA 3 engine based games) of the most cherished games in history had bad graphics, I would say most people don't pay too much attention.

ure predictions of games in the future are, imho, possibly the absolute worst case scenario TC. the same games...only better looking....bloody hell talk about boring and repatative.....and boring. no more thinking outside the box and trying new things...its graphics all the way. hell devs could be replaced by monkeys then...just stick to the template and make it pertier. yah....not a good future at all there.

i hope ive just misundertsud u TC.

do graphics matter? the more i think about it....the more i think "not as much anymore". i mean yes we want improvements from pong levels but...were there. we have big epic 3d worlds. we have pretty detailed physics and some very clever ai (oddly enough especially in older games like outcast), we have a draw distance thats as big as the horizon in real life. were there. all devs can do now is refine it and improve it in certain places. its a linear progression along a very narrow path. sooner or later (and sooner than u think) graphics are going to get to a point where ppl are going to stop caring about the differences between gens. were already seeing it.....graphics are hitting the area of diminishing returns.

ive played crysis on V.High and it is absolutely gorgeous. would i be willing to cough up more for a new GPU that can add an extra level of sheen to the game or a future game? the more i think about it...the more i think "no...its not worth it". im going to completly ignore the 9 series geforce cards and ill probably ignore the 10 series also. i might get he 11 series if the difference is big enough (in terms of actual results, not just on paper specs) but thats a long way away.

yes graphics matter in that 3d worlds and that kind of thing are important.....i absolutely agree. but i really think that, at this stage, the importance of graphical advancement (and i am seperating graphical advancement from horsepower advancement here..thats a different argument) is diminishing and diminishing fast. at this stage its just turning into an extra level of polish thats no big deal at the end of the day.

i hope this console gen is a long long gen, so long that devs will be forced to use the consoles horsepower in more creative ways instead of just making the same game again, only pertier.

i didn't buy a wii because i knew i would be getting things that were similar to ps2. hate to sound fanboyish but i dont like simple games.

i hear so many people whinge on about this and thats it's not next gen if it's only improved graphics blahdy blah. graphics do matter and every gen had it's fair share of bog standard games. if graphics didn't matter we would all still be happy with pong and space invaders and pac man etc. games will not vastly change in the future (only improved ai and bigger worlds etc...), the only huge leaps will be how they look, so yeah great graphics bring it on

if thats not what you want then why did you get a this gen system?

geordie73

Well, I DO still play Pac Man, Donkey Kong, Q-Bert, etc.

Second, you are coming at this from the wrong angle. You are basically saying Graphics matter because people are blind consumers looking for any excuse to dump more money on new devices they believe define who they are as human beings.

Isn't that technically why people buy new technology? It's not because they need it or because they think it matters. They buy it becuase they WANT it and believe it defines them.

One could easily make the point that we buy new console because we HAVE TO. Corporations make consoles and they can't continue to have increasing income every quarter if they ride a console until nobody buys it anymore. They have to release new consoles CONSTANTLY if they hope to keep making money (and profits) in the gaming industry. For marketing purposes, graphics absolutely matter a great deal because that is their primary method of selling a console to the blind consumers. After all, why would people pay money for a new Playstation if it was no different from the PS2 in terms of graphics? Who would care? But wow them with shiny new graphics and you have a sale!

Speaking of marketing, developers use graphics to market their games and to give the consumer an excuse to buy Madden for the 30th time. It gives people an excuse to buy yet another FPS - just like all the others - without feeling like they are buying the exact same game over and over.

But in terms of whether or not graphics matter when it comes to making a great game that people like? No. Gameplay is what make people like a game. The graphics are icing on the cake. While graphics will get the foot in the door, ultimately the reviews and customer word of mouth will make or break ANY game.

i didn't buy a wii because i knew i would be getting things that were similar to ps2. hate to sound fanboyish but i dont like simple games.

hip-hop-cola2

Define simple.

i hear so many people whinge on about this and thats it's not next gen if it's only improved graphics blahdy blah. graphics do matter and every gen had it's fair share of bog standard games. if graphics didn't matter we would all still be happy with pong and space invaders and pac man etc. games will not vastly change in the future (only improved ai and bigger worlds etc...), the only huge leaps will be how they look, so yeah great graphics bring it on

if thats not what you want then why did you get a this gen system?

geordie73

My Gamecube and Xbox could play Wii and 360 games!? :shock: I'm destroying them right after I finish Super Smash Bros. Brawl. :x

Anyways, more power has allowed for things like the jump to 3D (I'd be a liar to say that it didn't affect gameplay at all), larger environments, better character models, better lighting, better animation, physics, and more numerous and complex A.I among other things which add to the immersion factor.

However, there are many games that couldn't possibly be better in almost any way, including immersion factor. You could try giving a massive upgrade to some games and you'd still feel the exact same way you felt about it before.

I think your point is lost on 70% of the populationmattbbpl

Gameplay is more important. If you think graphics aremore important, well have fun with Lair.

[QUOTE="hip-hop-cola2"]

i didn't buy a wii because i knew i would be getting things that were similar to ps2. hate to sound fanboyish but i dont like simple games.

ZIMdoom

Define simple.

granted, not every 360 or ps3 game is complicated. im talking about lots happening on screen like fire fights, or new weired features which need better hardware. i haven't seen anything on the wii which would be impossible on older systems (minus the motion sensing features).

maybe im super wrong? i dont mind being proven wrong lol

"Gameplay is more important". Yes, we get that everyone. Guess what? Nutrition is more important than having sex/masturbation. Try becoming a celibate for the rest of your life...wemhim

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]I think your point is lost on 70% of the populationTeufelhuhn

I'm just saying that most people don't care about the graphical detail of titles. Things such as gameplay tend to take precedence. Hence the strong sales of the Wii, PS2, PS1...

the same logic applies for every other area of gaming though

for example... do you enjoy playing fps games with an atari paddle? well then that means controllers had to evolve at one point

the same logic applies for every other area of gaming though

for example... do you enjoy playing fps games with an atari paddle? well then that means controllers had to evolve at one point

voxware00

video games are a visual medium, anyone who says they dont care are lying imo.killzowned24

Innovation and great gameplay can happen in ANY platform. The advantage is offering developers the capability of outputting great graphics and realism if they want/require for their games. I like my Katamari and Okami like everyone else but I'll also enjoy MGS and GT realism.

Limiting developers is never a good idea.

and thats why the wii is winning? gameplay > graphics.shoeman12

Always such a dumb argument since more processing power allows for much better interactivity and immersiveness that adds to the gameplay. Gameplay isn't some measurable quantity you like add more to in a game at the cost of graphics. The best games always have great graphics and gameplay to go with it.

The Wii is winning because of the controller gimmick. It adds a false sense of interactivity that quickly wears thin. If anything it has detracted gameplay depth with such a huge push to make every game retard simple.

and thats why the wii is winning? gameplay > graphics.shoeman12

so if SMG had it graphics removed( which were really good) and had mario64 graphics pasted over it , would it had gotten the score

BOTH MATTER EQUALLY

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="geordie73"]

i hear so many people whinge on about this and thats it's not next gen if it's only improved graphics blahdy blah. graphics do matter and every gen had it's fair share of bog standard games. if graphics didn't matter we would all still be happy with pong and space invaders and pac man etc. games will not vastly change in the future (only improved ai and bigger worlds etc...), the only huge leaps will be how they look, so yeah great graphics bring it on

if thats not what you want then why did you get a this gen system?

geordie73

But, gameplay is, and always will be more important.

oh for heavens sake, yes we all know that, you miss my point

But it's like the Wii set graphics backwards it just only slightly improved them (SMG) from last gen but at the end of the gen sure it's game ain't going to be beautiful compared to the 360, PS3 and PC but they will still be nice and much better than last gen. So your missing the point.

i hear so many people whinge on about this and thats it's not next gen if it's only improved graphics blahdy blah. graphics do matter and every gen had it's fair share of bog standard games. if graphics didn't matter we would all still be happy with pong and space invaders and pac man etc. games will not vastly change in the future (only improved ai and bigger worlds etc...), the only huge leaps will be how they look, so yeah great graphics bring it on

if thats not what you want then why did you get a this gen system?

geordie73

Not really.. I've seen my fair share of games with great graphics an average gameplay. Simply put I've been playing GTA3 these past few weeks and it's better than most of graphical master piece games out this gen. Graphics matter but there not needed and are not important to make a good game fun. They just need to be at certain level of graphics to be torable for me to play. I can still put up with PS1/PS2 graphics in my games. But obviously I wouldn't put up with playing a game with those calibur graphics on a next gen console.

The idea of thinking everyone will still be playing pong if graphics didn't matter that much is plain stupid. It's all a matter of what limit graphics should be. They've upgraded enough for people to not even care about them that much. PS2 graphics are as torable as they get really. The graphical master piece games like Crysis are just eye candy really.

I'll give you an example when Monkey Island moved from the normal point and click to the 3D World it did not improve the game and made it worse... Also the Lucasart Indianna Jones when they moved to 3D world and to 3rd Person it they were not as good...

I am not saying this is true for all but just an example of what happens when Graphics are improved on certain franchises.

[QUOTE="geordie73"]

i hear so many people whinge on about this and thats it's not next gen if it's only improved graphics blahdy blah. graphics do matter and every gen had it's fair share of bog standard games. if graphics didn't matter we would all still be happy with pong and space invaders and pac man etc. games will not vastly change in the future (only improved ai and bigger worlds etc...), the only huge leaps will be how they look, so yeah great graphics bring it on

if thats not what you want then why did you get a this gen system?

thrones

But, gameplay is, and always will be more important.

[QUOTE="thrones"][QUOTE="geordie73"]

i hear so many people whinge on about this and thats it's not next gen if it's only improved graphics blahdy blah. graphics do matter and every gen had it's fair share of bog standard games. if graphics didn't matter we would all still be happy with pong and space invaders and pac man etc. games will not vastly change in the future (only improved ai and bigger worlds etc...), the only huge leaps will be how they look, so yeah great graphics bring it on

if thats not what you want then why did you get a this gen system?

legol1

But, gameplay is, and always will be more important.

a bit of a mixed bag here! look i posted this cos i love graphics and yes i repeat, gameplay is more important. i've been playing games since the 80's and i remember first seeing stuff on the atari st after playing on my msx and being blown away, i still get that buzz from seeing a gorgeous game now.

so lets look at this from another view, take movies. we've all seen sfx laden films that are crap, great looking but devoid of any interest. there's plenty of games like that. now look at say LOTR, a classic story, timeless infact, lets say the films had been made in the 80's we can all agree the sfx would be crap, but it would not have taken anything away from a great story. but thankfully they were made when cgi could do justice to the story and it's a better experience for it. is it not? thats my point about graphics, and graphics do improve gaming experience. a game like condemned would not have had the same amount of atmosphere if it looked like a ps1 game. there will always be crap games with good graphics, but we are getting to a stage when good games should have good graphics too, which means a well rounded experience for us all