Gran Turismo, MGS and Final Fantasy are System Sellers? I argue against!

With the Install base of the PS2.. selling 6 million copies of one game on that system is like 1 million on the Xbox 360... on the PS3 it's like 500k

So are they system sellers? That's a tough one to answer..The MGS series has sold 3 to 5 million copies each.. to a userbase of 100+ million..

So are they system sellers? The Logical answer would be no.. they are not.. since the Attach rate isn't amazing or anything..

Gran Turismo 4 sold around 8.79 copies on the PS2 ...but the PS2 has sold 100+ million

Halo2 sold 8.28 copies .. while the Xbox only sold around 30 million systems..

I know I'm going to get flamed but oh well..

I dont think GT is a system seller any more and MGS4 isn't one anymore either (sales of MGS3 suked for konami) but FF and GOW are system seller. too bad the wont be selling any ps3 untill fall 08 the least.amorbis1001

I'm pretty sure GT4 sold the most out of every game you just mentioned (compared to one FF at a time, of course).

[QUOTE="amorbis1001"]I dont think GT is a system seller any more and MGS4 isn't one anymore either (sales of MGS3 suked for konami) but FF and GOW are system seller. too bad the wont be selling any ps3 untill fall 08 the least.Vyse_The_Daring

I'm pretty sure GT4 sold the most out of every game you just mentioned (compared to one FF at a time, of course).

I'm pretty sure GOW sold more than Gt4

I'll use a simple relatively recent example.

FFVII: CC releases in Japan and take a look at how the "omg teh dead PSP" sales spiked during that period.

Keep in mind system sellers doesn't mean all will like it, in factthe people that even care about any game will beminority. This does not mean that these games don't sell systems, and saying that some of the highest selling franchises in gaming don't pull in hardware sales is quite naive imho.

I dont think GT is a system seller any more and MGS4 isn't one anymore either (sales of MGS3 suked for konami) but FF and GOW are system seller. too bad the wont be selling any ps3 untill fall 08 the least.amorbis1001

I kinda agree.

God of War is their new system seller.

FF may sell units in Japan still, though. Just not in the west. The other two? MGS is old news to most people who played it on the ps1 & 2, now. Racing games are no longer system sellers, period. They were when Sega was doing Daytona and Sega Rally. But then, light gun games were system sellers once. See? Times change, people.

MGS no

FF yes

GT hell yes

Userbase is irrelevent , it always has been. A huge perentage of ps2 owners were uber casuals and that shouldn't take away from how popular those franchises are. They are all likely to sell 3+ million copies again even with a much smaller userbase so it isn't going to matter in the end. They will sell , they will push hardware sales.

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="amorbis1001"]I dont think GT is a system seller any more and MGS4 isn't one anymore either (sales of MGS3 suked for konami) but FF and GOW are system seller. too bad the wont be selling any ps3 untill fall 08 the least.amorbis1001

I'm pretty sure GT4 sold the most out of every game you just mentioned (compared to one FF at a time, of course).

I'm pretty sure GOW sold more than Gt4

what the? god of war managed to sell a very pathetic pitiful 3 million copies according to VGchartz

[QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="amorbis1001"]I dont think GT is a system seller any more and MGS4 isn't one anymore either (sales of MGS3 suked for konami) but FF and GOW are system seller. too bad the wont be selling any ps3 untill fall 08 the least.amorbis1001

I'm pretty sure GT4 sold the most out of every game you just mentioned (compared to one FF at a time, of course).

I'm pretty sure GOW sold more than Gt4

Well GT4 sold around 8-9mill copies, and GoW runs about half with 3-4mill.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

[QUOTE="amorbis1001"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="amorbis1001"]I dont think GT is a system seller any more and MGS4 isn't one anymore either (sales of MGS3 suked for konami) but FF and GOW are system seller. too bad the wont be selling any ps3 untill fall 08 the least.-RPGamer-

I'm pretty sure GT4 sold the most out of every game you just mentioned (compared to one FF at a time, of course).

I'm pretty sure GOW sold more than Gt4

Well GT4 sold around 8-9mill copies, and GoW runs about half with 3-4mill.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

Indeed, FF sales just about as much here as it does in Japan so I don't see why it can't be a system seller outside of Japan.

[QUOTE="amorbis1001"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="amorbis1001"]I dont think GT is a system seller any more and MGS4 isn't one anymore either (sales of MGS3 suked for konami) but FF and GOW are system seller. too bad the wont be selling any ps3 untill fall 08 the least.GGNoRematch

I'm pretty sure GT4 sold the most out of every game you just mentioned (compared to one FF at a time, of course).

I'm pretty sure GOW sold more than Gt4

what the? god of war managed to sell a very pathetic pitiful 3 million copies according to VGchartz

[QUOTE="amorbis1001"][QUOTE="Vyse_The_Daring"]

[QUOTE="amorbis1001"]I dont think GT is a system seller any more and MGS4 isn't one anymore either (sales of MGS3 suked for konami) but FF and GOW are system seller. too bad the wont be selling any ps3 untill fall 08 the least.-RPGamer-

I'm pretty sure GT4 sold the most out of every game you just mentioned (compared to one FF at a time, of course).

I'm pretty sure GOW sold more than Gt4

Well GT4 sold around 8-9mill copies, and GoW runs about half with 3-4mill.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

lol YOUR right, where did al that sales come from lol I can't believe it, any way I think GOW3 will be more of a system seller now ;)

Userbase is irrelevent , it always has been. A huge perentage of ps2 owners were uber casuals and that shouldn't take away from how popular those franchises are. They are all likely to sell 3+ million copies again even with a much smaller userbase so it isn't going to matter in the end. They will sell , they will push hardware sales.

Nike_Air

Userbase irrelevent in software sales? Huh?

With the Install base of the PS2.. selling 6 million copies of one game on that system is like 1 million on the Xbox 360... on the PS3 it's like 500k

So are they system sellers? That's a tough one to answer..The MGS series has sold 3 to 5 million copies each.. to a userbase of 100+ million..

So are they system sellers? The Logical answer would be no.. they are not.. since the Attach rate isn't amazing or anything..

Gran Turismo 4 sold around 8.79 copies on the PS2 ...but the PS2 has sold 100+ million

Halo2 sold 8.28 copies .. while the Xbox only sold around 30 million systems..

I know I'm going to get flamed but oh well..

GGNoRematch

um, halo, and halo 2 numbers are a bit help out by the fact that they are bundeld in with the console. about 1/3 of halo sales were acheived because they gave it away as a bundle when the xbox was released.

did halo 2 really sell systems? NO. look at the numbers. halo 2 gave them a boost in sales, but it was no where near the system seller GT, MGS, and FF are.

They are all system sellers, MGS in NA and Europe, not so much Japan, since each game sold a bit under 1 million copies in that region.

Final Fantasy is the true system seller in Japan, as well as NA and Europe, I would say at the least, 2 million copies in each region.

Grand Turismo usually does better outside of NA, comparing sales of GT3 and GT4, GT4 did great in Areas outside of Japan, but didn't do as well as GT3 did in NA, falling to a little over 2 million copies.

But, the thing is, FFX sold more then XII and got a lot more hype because it was the first next gen FF. The same can be said about GT3 vs GT4 and MGS2 vs MGS3, it shows in the number of copies sold.

So, I expect a large sales spike for the PS3 and these games when they're released next year, if history repeats itself.

But not for Killzone, I refuse to buy into the hype.

:D

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]

Userbase is irrelevent , it always has been. A huge perentage of ps2 owners were uber casuals and that shouldn't take away from how popular those franchises are. They are all likely to sell 3+ million copies again even with a much smaller userbase so it isn't going to matter in the end. They will sell , they will push hardware sales.

trup522

Userbase irrelevent in software sales? Huh?

[QUOTE="GGNoRematch"]

With the Install base of the PS2.. selling 6 million copies of one game on that system is like 1 million on the Xbox 360... on the PS3 it's like 500k

So are they system sellers? That's a tough one to answer..The MGS series has sold 3 to 5 million copies each.. to a userbase of 100+ million..

So are they system sellers? The Logical answer would be no.. they are not.. since the Attach rate isn't amazing or anything..

Gran Turismo 4 sold around 8.79 copies on the PS2 ...but the PS2 has sold 100+ million

Halo2 sold 8.28 copies .. while the Xbox only sold around 30 million systems..

I know I'm going to get flamed but oh well..

bustos86

um, halo, and halo 2 numbers are a bit help out by the fact that they are bundeld in with the console. about 1/3 of halo sales were acheived because they gave it away as a bundle when the xbox was released.

did halo 2 really sell systems? NO. look at the numbers. halo 2 gave them a boost in sales, but it was no where near the system seller GT, MGS, and FF are.

It's going to be interesting to see, to say the least.

Keep in mind system sellers doesn't mean all will like it, in factthe people that even care about any game will beminority. This does not mean that these games don't sell systems, and saying that some of the highest selling franchises in gaming don't pull in hardware sales is quite naive imho.

-RPGamer-

couldn't have said it better.

Judging by software sales to install base ratio alone, no PS2 game can be considered a system seller. Which of course makes no sense.

[QUOTE="GGNoRematch"]

With the Install base of the PS2.. selling 6 million copies of one game on that system is like 1 million on the Xbox 360... on the PS3 it's like 500k

So are they system sellers? That's a tough one to answer..The MGS series has sold 3 to 5 million copies each.. to a userbase of 100+ million..

So are they system sellers? The Logical answer would be no.. they are not.. since the Attach rate isn't amazing or anything..

Gran Turismo 4 sold around 8.79 copies on the PS2 ...but the PS2 has sold 100+ million

Halo2 sold 8.28 copies .. while the Xbox only sold around 30 million systems..

I know I'm going to get flamed but oh well..

bustos86

um, halo, and halo 2 numbers are a bit help out by the fact that they are bundeld in with the console. about 1/3 of halo sales were acheived because they gave it away as a bundle when the xbox was released.

did halo 2 really sell systems? NO. look at the numbers. halo 2 gave them a boost in sales, but it was no where near the system seller GT, MGS, and FF are.

Was Halo 1 and 2 bundled with systems somewhere? Because it wasn't in the US, where most of the sales came from. I bought Halo on launch day just like everybody else. And if it was bundled, I am sure the numbers wouldn't count, anyway.

And didn't Xbox actually beat the PS2 for the year after Halo 2 launched? That would say that it did sell systems.

MGS no

FF yes

GT hell yes

Sonic_on_crack

Seeing as MGS games have consistently been right behind FF and GT in sales, it's a system seller.

MGS doesn't sell systems... it's an added bonus for those already with PS consoles. FF and GT do, however.

Sony's biggest loss, though, is losing GTA's timed exclusivity... that sold systems.

[QUOTE="bustos86"][QUOTE="GGNoRematch"]

With the Install base of the PS2.. selling 6 million copies of one game on that system is like 1 million on the Xbox 360... on the PS3 it's like 500k

So are they system sellers? That's a tough one to answer..The MGS series has sold 3 to 5 million copies each.. to a userbase of 100+ million..

So are they system sellers? The Logical answer would be no.. they are not.. since the Attach rate isn't amazing or anything..

Gran Turismo 4 sold around 8.79 copies on the PS2 ...but the PS2 has sold 100+ million

Halo2 sold 8.28 copies .. while the Xbox only sold around 30 million systems..

I know I'm going to get flamed but oh well..

BreakingPoint8

um, halo, and halo 2 numbers are a bit help out by the fact that they are bundeld in with the console. about 1/3 of halo sales were acheived because they gave it away as a bundle when the xbox was released.

did halo 2 really sell systems? NO. look at the numbers. halo 2 gave them a boost in sales, but it was no where near the system seller GT, MGS, and FF are.

It's going to be interesting to see, to say the least.

halo 2 was not a big system seller, but halo 3 has the chance to be the first big xbox360 system seller for ms. ms still needs to figure out how to sell 70 - 100 million units, rather than hoping halo 3 out sells halo 2.

MGS doesn't sell systems... it's an added bonus for those already with PS consoles. FF and GT do, however.

Sony's biggest loss, though, is losing GTA's timed exclusivity... that sold systems.

TDLlama

Agreed on the mgs and gta parts.

Undecided on the FF part.

Disagreed on the GT part (don't think racers sell consoles anymore. They are kinda like what you said for MGS. I think people buy them when they first get a console for the graphical showcase.)

MGS doesn't sell systems... it's an added bonus for those already with PS consoles. FF and GT do, however.

Sony's biggest loss, though, is losing GTA's timed exclusivity... that sold systems.

TDLlama

We're watching two giants fighting over NA and Europe. It's going to be fun seeing who comes out on top in the next 2 years. Nintendo seems to have Japan on lock now, with Sony taking a distant second. Microsoft is making a little bit more ground in Japan this time around. But it's obvious it's going to be another generation or two before they can compete.

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="bustos86"][QUOTE="GGNoRematch"]

With the Install base of the PS2.. selling 6 million copies of one game on that system is like 1 million on the Xbox 360... on the PS3 it's like 500k

So are they system sellers? That's a tough one to answer..The MGS series has sold 3 to 5 million copies each.. to a userbase of 100+ million..

So are they system sellers? The Logical answer would be no.. they are not.. since the Attach rate isn't amazing or anything..

Gran Turismo 4 sold around 8.79 copies on the PS2 ...but the PS2 has sold 100+ million

Halo2 sold 8.28 copies .. while the Xbox only sold around 30 million systems..

I know I'm going to get flamed but oh well..

bustos86

um, halo, and halo 2 numbers are a bit help out by the fact that they are bundeld in with the console. about 1/3 of halo sales were acheived because they gave it away as a bundle when the xbox was released.

did halo 2 really sell systems? NO. look at the numbers. halo 2 gave them a boost in sales, but it was no where near the system seller GT, MGS, and FF are.

It's going to be interesting to see, to say the least.

halo 2 was not a big system seller, but halo 3 has the chance to be the first big xbox360 system seller for ms. ms still needs to figure out how to sell 70 - 100 million units, rather than hoping halo 3 out sells halo 2.

MGS doesn't sell systems... it's an added bonus for those already with PS consoles. FF and GT do, however.

Sony's biggest loss, though, is losing GTA's timed exclusivity... that sold systems.

TDLlama

GTA was something new and CRAZY when the Ps2 came out...unless rockstar pull something crazy out the hat GTA4 will be a more refined version of the same I doubt it'll g'smack everyone in the face like GTA3 did! I mean now u got games like saints row, crackdown, mercenaries and just about every other sandbox game grabbing for some of its lime light!

and on topic there are several gamers eager to buy MGS4, GT5 and Final Fantasy so games with that much anticipation that are exclusive are bound to boost sales!

Not even mentioning games like R&C, God of War, Twisted Metal, Wipeout, Socometc. which have pretty big followings in the Playstation fanbase!

[QUOTE="TDLlama"]

MGS doesn't sell systems... it's an added bonus for those already with PS consoles. FF and GT do, however.

Sony's biggest loss, though, is losing GTA's timed exclusivity... that sold systems.

cheapness1

GTA was something new and CRAZY when the Ps2 came out...unless rockstar pull something crazy out the hat GTA4 will be a more refined version of the same I doubt it'll g'smack everyone in the face like GTA3 did! I mean now u got games like saints row, crackdown, mercenaries and just about every other sandbox game grabbing for some of its lime light!

and on topic there are several gamers eager to buy MGS4, GT5 and Final Fantasy so games with that much anticipation that are exclusive are bound to boost sales!

Not even mentioning games like R&C, God of War, Twisted Metal, Wipeout, Socometc. which have pretty big followings in the Playstation fanbase!

HALO is for casuals more than any of the other games you mentioned, especially MGS. NavigatorsGhost

Easily system sellers....I just made a thread about this the other day.

With the Install base of the PS2.. selling 6 million copies of one game on that system is like 1 million on the Xbox 360... on the PS3 it's like 500k

So are they system sellers? That's a tough one to answer..The MGS series has sold 3 to 5 million copies each.. to a userbase of 100+ million..

So are they system sellers? The Logical answer would be no.. they are not.. since the Attach rate isn't amazing or anything..

Gran Turismo 4 sold around 8.79 copies on the PS2 ...but the PS2 has sold 100+ million

Halo2 sold 8.28 copies .. while the Xbox only sold around 30 million systems..

I know I'm going to get flamed but oh well..

GGNoRematch

The PS2 has the highest install base of any gaming console ever made. Naturally, specific titles are going to have a lower attach rate to systems for various reasons. 120 million people is a big number, actually, it's insanely huge. I'm not sure if you have noticed in life all people think differently. Everyone has their own preference, their own opinions of things. Not everyone has the same taste in games, music, movies, girls, cars, clothes, everything.

No specific software attach rate is amazing on the PS2, that's the beauty of things. It's why Sony completely dominated last gen, the games appealed to an insanely broad audience of gamers from all backgrounds with all different preferneces.

How is this fact so ****ing hard to understand for Sony haters?

GT3 was the highest (or second highest to GTA:SA) selling game on the PS2 during the time when the install base wasn't 100+ million. Same goes for MGS2 and the FF games.

And finally, Halo. The reason why Halo was so popular on the Xbox was because it was amongst only a tiny handful of truly great games an Xbox owner could play. It was also a multiplayer game, something GT and MGS lacks so naturally it will sell better.

Please stop making threads if you are going to use this "logic."

It is hard to have this argument when the install base of a product is 100million. Yeah the new MGS, it might not have sold systems like the original PS2 ones because the people who like MGS have mostly bought a PS2. But when FFX came out, it was a hig seller, because it came out when the system was new and the FF fans were still playing the previous ones on the PS.

I have always bough systems based on particular games and I am sure that there are many people like that. For me, I wam waiting for THE game before I buy either a 360 or PS3, not sure of the game but when it comes out I will know. But it very easy to say, that the PS3 will sell units when FF or MGS or Killzone come out. GT5 will be the same but not as much I feel.

The 360 will also sell units when Halo 3 comes out. It is assured almost and Sony and Microsoft know what games sell system.

[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]HALO is for casuals more than any of the other games you mentioned, especially MGS. BreakingPoint8

Thats why I said Halo was MORE of a casual game than the others. I didn't say the others weren't casual at all. HALO = accessible gameplay, addictive online/offline multiplayer and co-op = casual heaven.

With the Install base of the PS2.. selling 6 million copies of one game on that system is like 1 million on the Xbox 360... on the PS3 it's like 500k

So are they system sellers? That's a tough one to answer..The MGS series has sold 3 to 5 million copies each.. to a userbase of 100+ million..

So are they system sellers? The Logical answer would be no.. they are not.. since the Attach rate isn't amazing or anything..

Gran Turismo 4 sold around 8.79 copies on the PS2 ...but the PS2 has sold 100+ million

Halo2 sold 8.28 copies .. while the Xbox only sold around 30 million systems..

I know I'm going to get flamed but oh well..

GGNoRematch

not halo was the only game to sell several million on the xbox, seems like xbots had no other choice

i has been said many times "HALO BASICALLY SAVED THE XBOX" by that Patcher guy

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]HALO is for casuals more than any of the other games you mentioned, especially MGS. NavigatorsGhost

Thats why I said Halo was MORE of a casual game than the others. I didn't say the others weren't casual at all. HALO = accessible gameplay, addictive online/offline multiplayer and co-op = casual heaven.

thats retarted,

HALO is def a hardcore game!

this is common sense

[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]

[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]HALO is for casuals more than any of the other games you mentioned, especially MGS. winner-ps3

Thats why I said Halo was MORE of a casual game than the others. I didn't say the others weren't casual at all. HALO = accessible gameplay, addictive online/offline multiplayer and co-op = casual heaven.

thats retarted,

HALO is def a hardcore game!

this is common sense

um no. Hardcore gamers can play it and enjoy it and a hell of a lot do, but the predominant number of sales for the Halo franchise, as with almost all top selling games, is from casual fans.

Its a console FPS that made its debut on a brand new console and had outstanding online and offline multiplayer...its sales were driven by the same thing that made Goldeneye so popular.

Kid goes over to his friend's house. They sit down and play Goldeneye/Halo together offline co-op / online multiplayer and have a great time. Kid goes home and begs parent to buy him Goldeneye/Halo. Case closed.

well... my friend once told me that his older brother had bought a PS2 just to play GT3.
after that he only used it as a DVD player.... so yeah

Im not gonna take a conclusion off of one person, but you are talking about three of the best selling franchises in history.
so yeah, I consider them system sellers.