GameSpot: Nintendo's problem is its all about Nostalgia

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#201 Posted by timmy00 (15360 posts) -

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] This. That statement was f*cking stupid and you should feel bad, Matt.HAZE-Unit

 

I do not feel bad, so shoot me. And no just no to both those titles mentioned.

Dude, if you want to talk about bad don't mention Super Mario RPG, that game was one of the best RPGs ever created.

Haze knows what's up.

#202 Posted by Merex760 (4284 posts) -
I wouldn't have an issue with Nintendo IPs if they weren't the only legitimate gaming experiences on their consoles. They consistently ignore the third party, and occasionally make poor attempts (Wii U) to win them back.
#203 Posted by Novotine (1199 posts) -
It's not like this is news. Nintendo cashes in on Nostalgia - they had some awesome franchises back in the 90s; they've failed to move on.
#204 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

It's not like this is news. Nintendo cashes in on Nostalgia - they had some awesome franchises back in the 90s; they've failed to move on. Novotine

Nintendo doesn't even know how to make games in HD yet.

#205 Posted by charizard1605 (56101 posts) -

[QUOTE="Novotine"]It's not like this is news. Nintendo cashes in on Nostalgia - they had some awesome franchises back in the 90s; they've failed to move on. StrongBlackVine

Nintendo doesn't even know how to make games in HD yet.

Good game design>>>>F*cking HD
#206 Posted by BrunoBRS (73260 posts) -

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="Novotine"]It's not like this is news. Nintendo cashes in on Nostalgia - they had some awesome franchises back in the 90s; they've failed to move on. charizard1605

Nintendo doesn't even know how to make games in HD yet.

Good game design>>>>F*cking HD

but does it have the foliage?

[spoiler] yes, yes it does

http://thegamershub.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Pikmin-3-Vine-Slide.jpeg [/spoiler]

#207 Posted by charizard1605 (56101 posts) -

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Nintendo doesn't even know how to make games in HD yet.

StrongBlackVine

Good game design>>>>F*cking HD

Mature games with realistic graphics good game design >>>>>>>>> cartoons with good design

Would I rather play Mass Effect(just an example) or save the princess for the 100th time.

This post reads like a parody, but the sad part is, you're being serious...
#208 Posted by cain006 (8625 posts) -

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Nintendo doesn't even know how to make games in HD yet.

StrongBlackVine

Good game design>>>>F*cking HD

Mature games with realistic graphics good game design >>>>>>>>> cartoons with good design

Would I rather play Mass Effect(just an example) or save the princess for the 100th time.

Holy crap. We may have a successor for Shadowmoses!

#209 Posted by Peredith (2308 posts) -

Do all mario games relesed have a story?? or are they liked just because of the gameplay?? im kind of interested to know about this lol

finalstar2007

Save the princess.

#210 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

All this nostalgia talk is stupid. Nostalgia doesnt magically make a game. The game still needs to be a great game. Any game I have looked forward to and have hyped has been based on some sort of "nostalgia". Grand Theft Auto 5 looks amazing and I want it based off of the fact that Rockstar makes good games. Does that mean GTA5 is going to be a great game only because I liked 3, Vice City, San Andreas and IV? No! 

The same goes for a game company wanting to make a new IP. Our hype is based off of the "nostalgia" of the past games the company made.

I have never played a Zelda game and thought to myself "This game is great because I liked Ocarina of Time." If Nintendo makes a bad game, as a fan of the company I would be the first to be upset about. 

#211 Posted by bionicle_lover (4501 posts) -

It's kind of weird for me because as a kid, i never really grew up playing mario or or zelda or metroid or whatever. Donkey kong was the only nintendo franchise i really played, and I absolutely love mario games right now. I actually feel like if i had played all these mario games before, maybe i'd actually be fatigued.

#212 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Good game design>>>>F*cking HDcharizard1605

Mature games with realistic graphics good game design >>>>>>>>> cartoons with good design

Would I rather play Mass Effect(just an example) or save the princess for the 100th time.

This post reads like a parody, but the sad part is, you're being serious...

I just think Nintendo and its games are shit. If that is ridiculous opinion on here so be it.

#213 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

Do all mario games relesed have a story?? or are they liked just because of the gameplay?? im kind of interested to know about this lol

finalstar2007
It's all about the gameplay. That's why people love Mario so much. Nintendo is always coming up with new ideas that make the games feel fresh even with the save the princess story being overused.
#214 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Do all mario games relesed have a story?? or are they liked just because of the gameplay?? im kind of interested to know about this lol

Peredith

Save the princess.

Why an overweight plumber saving a princess any way. And Link saves the princess to....so lame.

#215 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Do all mario games relesed have a story?? or are they liked just because of the gameplay?? im kind of interested to know about this lol

RyanShazam

It's all about the gameplay. That's why people love Mario so much. Nintendo is always coming up with new ideas that make the games feel fresh even with the save the princess story being overused.

Nintendo games are so stale they are rotten.

#216 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Do all mario games relesed have a story?? or are they liked just because of the gameplay?? im kind of interested to know about this lol

StrongBlackVine

It's all about the gameplay. That's why people love Mario so much. Nintendo is always coming up with new ideas that make the games feel fresh even with the save the princess story being overused.

Nintendo games are so stale they are rotten.

I'm glad I dont have your horrible taste in games.
#217 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"] It's all about the gameplay. That's why people love Mario so much. Nintendo is always coming up with new ideas that make the games feel fresh even with the save the princess story being overused. RyanShazam

Nintendo games are so stale they are rotten.

I'm glad I dont have your horrible taste in games.

I honestly could not imagine myself getting home and sitting down to play Mario. I'm sure I will buy Nintendo systems again when I have children around 5 or 6 years old.

#218 Posted by BrunoBRS (73260 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Nintendo games are so stale they are rotten.

StrongBlackVine

I'm glad I dont have your horrible taste in games.

I honestly could not imagine myself getting home and sitting down to play Mario. I'm sure I will buy Nintendo systems again when I have children around 5 or 6 years old.

for humanity's sake, let's hope that moment never arrives.
#219 Posted by charizard1605 (56101 posts) -
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"] I'm glad I dont have your horrible taste in games.BrunoBRS

I honestly could not imagine myself getting home and sitting down to play Mario. I'm sure I will buy Nintendo systems again when I have children around 5 or 6 years old.

for humanity's sake, let's hope that moment never arrives.

This is sigworthy
#220 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Nintendo games are so stale they are rotten.

StrongBlackVine

I'm glad I dont have your horrible taste in games.

I honestly could not imagine myself getting home and sitting down to play Mario. I'm sure I will buy Nintendo systems again when I have children around 5 or 6 years old.

So, you wont ever be buying a Nintendo console then... Got it.
#221 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"] I'm glad I dont have your horrible taste in games.BrunoBRS

I honestly could not imagine myself getting home and sitting down to play Mario. I'm sure I will buy Nintendo systems again when I have children around 5 or 6 years old.

for humanity's sake, let's hope that moment never arrives.

Guarantee my genes are better than yours so just drop it.

#222 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"] I'm glad I dont have your horrible taste in games.RyanShazam

I honestly could not imagine myself getting home and sitting down to play Mario. I'm sure I will buy Nintendo systems again when I have children around 5 or 6 years old.

So, you wont ever be buying a Nintendo console then... Got it.

LOL the only way you will ever mate is if you hook up with that ugly rodent in your sig!

#223 Posted by ShoulderOfOrion (3435 posts) -

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

I honestly could not imagine myself getting home and sitting down to play Mario. I'm sure I will buy Nintendo systems again when I have children around 5 or 6 years old.

StrongBlackVine

for humanity's sake, let's hope that moment never arrives.

Guarantee my genes are better than yours so just drop it.

lol
#224 Posted by FireEmblem74 (277 posts) -
if the games weren't good, I'd have a problem with it. But fire emblem is still one of the great IPS Nintendo has. Radiant Dawn's review should tell you everything that gamespot's not always 100%. (hint: it went like this "herp derp derp, radiant dawn doesn't have waggle therefore it's not that good." )
#225 Posted by Microsoft1234 (7674 posts) -

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

[QUOTE="finalstar2007"]

Do all mario games relesed have a story?? or are they liked just because of the gameplay?? im kind of interested to know about this lol

StrongBlackVine

Save the princess.

Why an overweight plumber saving a princess any way. And Link saves the princess to....so lame.

Yep very lame :roll: (but don't tell that to the millions of fans that play them)
#226 Posted by trugs26 (5297 posts) -

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="Peredith"]

Save the princess.

Microsoft1234

Why an overweight plumber saving a princess any way. And Link saves the princess to....so lame.

Yep very lame :roll: (but don't tell that to the millions of fans that play them)



Because the point is that they don't care about that aspect? Isn't it obvious? 

#227 Posted by Meinhard1 (6768 posts) -
I'll stop playing Nintendo games when they stop being so awesome. We've seen a lot of sequels and throwbacks the past few years, but the quality has still been there.
#228 Posted by Quad4Life (779 posts) -

Nintendo, irrelevant since the Gamecube

#229 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

Nintendo, irrelevant since the Gamecube

Quad4Life

 

Don't you mean since N64? ;)

#230 Posted by Quad4Life (779 posts) -

[QUOTE="Quad4Life"]

Nintendo, irrelevant since the Gamecube

nameless12345

 

Don't you mean since N64? ;)

The Gamecube had a pretty good amount of core games. It was better than the Wii.
#231 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26283 posts) -
[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="Quad4Life"]

Nintendo, irrelevant since the Gamecube

Quad4Life

 

Don't you mean since N64? ;)

The Gamecube had a pretty good amount of core games. It was better than the Wii.

But you said... WTF? :?
#232 Posted by locopatho (20186 posts) -
[QUOTE="Quad4Life"][QUOTE="nameless12345"]

 

Don't you mean since N64? ;)

nintendoboy16
The Gamecube had a pretty good amount of core games. It was better than the Wii.

But you said... WTF? :?

Since the gamecube. Meaning, after it.
#233 Posted by locopatho (20186 posts) -
I think they are just very resistant to modern tech. With the Wii and WiiU they were/are miles behind in graphics, sound, online, features, and even gameplay in some cases.
#234 Posted by Articuno76 (18751 posts) -

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Nintendo has the biggest stable of proven IPs in the world. As long as they continue to give is all new experiences, and they do, it doesn't matter what they do.Pikminmaniac

Ninitendo is more creative annd original with their old ips than their competition is with their new ips

I'd agree with that to a great deal. It is probably indicative of Nintendo not being with the times in that they don't realise that game design alone isn't the only driving factor influencing purchases any more. People also buy into the experience of a game as well as the world and characters. This is why other publishers can create several different franchises that are more or less of similar (at the very least the same genre) but still do well. Nintendo doesn't have the people to create new worlds or characters (at least they haven't demonstrated it) and should really consider bringing them on board in the long-run. Nintendo will never start putting out games like MS or Sony are, but there are still many worlds and characters that are left uncreated that they could bring to fruition.
#235 Posted by HalcyonScarlet (4047 posts) -

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="Novotine"]It's not like this is news. Nintendo cashes in on Nostalgia - they had some awesome franchises back in the 90s; they've failed to move on. charizard1605

Nintendo doesn't even know how to make games in HD yet.

Good game design>>>>F*cking HD

Still, Nintendo needs to start making use of ai and physics now. They didnt do that with the Wii, despite the Wiis CPU being the strongest compontant in it. They're going to have to move with the times and stop ignoring these things now.

#236 Posted by Articuno76 (18751 posts) -

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Nintendo doesn't even know how to make games in HD yet.

HalcyonScarlet

Good game design>>>>F*cking HD

Still, Nintendo needs to start making use of ai and physics now. They didnt do that with the Wii, despite the Wiis CPU being the strongest compontant in it. They're going to have to move with the times and stop ignoring these things now.

I reckon Nintendo will use those things...but probably not in the way people expect. I can very realistically see Nintendo writing AI's that read save data from other games and look at they way people play/struggle to automatically adjust the number and style of tutorial prompts or automate difficulty changes/enemy location and so on. We've already seen Nintendo experiment with that kind of thing with the guide/auto-clear in Skyward Sword/SMG2. Something along those lines was also something Nintendo was trying to push with the finger/pulse-sensor add-on for the Wii that never quite materialised. Expecting the enemies in Nintendo games to suddenly start taking cover and flanking you though? Yeah, probably not going to happen.
#237 Posted by Mario1331 (8816 posts) -

yet these games sell more then the competitions while being on only one platform.

nintendo keep doing what your good at

#238 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

yet these games sell more then the competitions while being on only one platform.

nintendo keep doing what your good at

Mario1331

Yeah God forbid Nintendo try new thing...that don't involve gimmick controls

#239 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

yet these games sell more then the competitions while being on only one platform.

nintendo keep doing what your good at

StrongBlackVine

Yeah God forbid Nintendo try new thing...that don't involve gimmick controls

I feel like you got beat at Wii Sports by a 4 year old and have hated Nintendo since then.
#240 Posted by HalcyonScarlet (4047 posts) -

[QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Good game design>>>>F*cking HDArticuno76

Still, Nintendo needs to start making use of ai and physics now. They didnt do that with the Wii, despite the Wiis CPU being the strongest compontant in it. They're going to have to move with the times and stop ignoring these things now.

I reckon Nintendo will use those things...but probably not in the way people expect. I can very realistically see Nintendo writing AI's that read save data from other games and look at they way people play/struggle to automatically adjust the number and style of tutorial prompts or automate difficulty changes/enemy location and so on. We've already seen Nintendo experiment with that kind of thing with the guide/auto-clear in Skyward Sword/SMG2. Something along those lines was also something Nintendo was trying to push with the finger/pulse-sensor add-on for the Wii that never quite materialised. Expecting the enemies in Nintendo games to suddenly start taking cover and flanking you though? Yeah, probably not going to happen.

With ai, sure baby steps, in time hopefully they'll find clever ways to use it.

But i'm fairly surprised Nintendo haven't made extensive use of physics. Physics can make for some really fun and interesting gameplay in all types of games.

One of the few games that really pushed physics on the Wii was the Boom Blox series, which used every other clock cycle to calculate physics. Although I know the SMG made some use of it too.

#241 Posted by MarthRingman (1104 posts) -

Entries in Nintendo's core franchises are typically much different than the previous entries. The only exception I can think of to this is New Super Mario Bros. but even those games differ more than CoD and big sellers.

Edit: For awhile Mario Party was a yearly thing.

#242 Posted by Nintendo_Ownes7 (30917 posts) -

[QUOTE="Articuno76"][QUOTE="HalcyonScarlet"]

Still, Nintendo needs to start making use of ai and physics now. They didnt do that with the Wii, despite the Wiis CPU being the strongest compontant in it. They're going to have to move with the times and stop ignoring these things now.

HalcyonScarlet

I reckon Nintendo will use those things...but probably not in the way people expect. I can very realistically see Nintendo writing AI's that read save data from other games and look at they way people play/struggle to automatically adjust the number and style of tutorial prompts or automate difficulty changes/enemy location and so on. We've already seen Nintendo experiment with that kind of thing with the guide/auto-clear in Skyward Sword/SMG2. Something along those lines was also something Nintendo was trying to push with the finger/pulse-sensor add-on for the Wii that never quite materialised. Expecting the enemies in Nintendo games to suddenly start taking cover and flanking you though? Yeah, probably not going to happen.

With ai, sure baby steps, in time hopefully they'll find clever ways to use it.

But i'm fairly surprised Nintendo haven't made extensive use of physics. Physics can make for some really fun and interesting gameplay in all types of games.

One of the few games that really pushed physics on the Wii was the Boom Blox series, which used every other clock cycle to calculate physics. Although I know the SMG made some use of it too.

I'm not sure if FlingSmash used Physics I didn't play it; I also think Odama on the GCN might of used Physics but I could be wrong.

#243 Posted by ZetA_LatA (117 posts) -

The video hit the the nail on the head. That is one of Nintendo's biggest problems. When you have numerous Mario Parties, Fortune Street, Mario and Sonic Olympics, Mario Sluggers, Mario Tennis, Mario Soccer, Mario Kart, Super Mario Brothers 1&2, Super Mario Galaxy 1&2, Super Paper Mario, Mario vs Donkey Kong MLM, and god knows what other Mario games all coming out in the same generation it's overkill! This shows a lack of originality, creativity, and just having the stones to try something new which is embarrassing for a company whose hardware side of things can't seem to stop trying to innovate (poorly, but innovation none the less). Not even going to get into their other franchises. 

 People are really catching on to this and Nintendo is going to be hurting this console/handheld cycle. They need a rude awakening.