GameSpot: Nintendo's problem is its all about Nostalgia

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#151 Posted by AzatiS (7106 posts) -
The people are right. This is why they will never give a Mario game a 9.5 and Game of the Year or its sequel a 10/10.Blabadon
And that all about nintendo fans are happy about ... Main series of Mario and Zelda... And whatever other game comes that MIGHT be good based again on same icons and weve seen so many times in the past ( mario kart , super smash bros etc etc )..
Nintendo has the biggest stable of proven IPs in the world. As long as they continue to give is all new experiences, and they do, it doesn't matter what they do.charizard1605
Still you didnt prove that nintendo is not all about nostalgia.
#152 Posted by charizard1605 (55345 posts) -
[QUOTE="AzatiS"] Still you didnt prove that nintendo is not all about nostalgia.

I wasn't trying to
#153 Posted by HAZE-Unit (10464 posts) -

They have a point while contradictory based on GS reviews the point still stands and the tone was a little pretentious but still they have a point.

Nintendo needs to depend on their brand studios instead of depending on their franchises because the days of publishers depending on a mascot to sell are almost over, fans loves Nintendo and they know every Nintendo developer/studio making their Marios and Zeldas....etc.

The mentality of "oh we're releasing this game as a Zelda to sell" should change, they should bring more variety to sell their consoles because lets face it if they want to be in the discussion of the broader audience they need to make something else. Let the studio stamp sell the game just like what most developers do now instead of relying of the franchise stamp on the box of the game.

People are buying this specifc game because it came from Valve, Naughty Dog, Konami, Capcom, Bioware, Bungie or Platinum Games...etc etc and people surely not buying it because of Master Chief ( well that's a factor too but still ) or Drake or Bayonetta.

Nintendo should still bring a main/major brand name to their portfolio like a console Mario, Zelda and Pokemon game every generation since that's what the core fans wants and that's how you build upon bringing the younger generations of fans.

But the rule should be only one game so they could concentrate their creativity to tackle the broader crowd who wants something more and different with new IPs and new trilogies every console generation.

Or they can always hire Fumito Ueda.

#154 Posted by Bread_or_Decide (17209 posts) -
AMAZING how nintendo's fanbase gets so upset when you dare speak out against their precious company.
#155 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (24548 posts) -

AMAZING how nintendo's fanbase gets so upset when you dare speak out against their precious company. Bread_or_Decide

Amazing how there's absolutely nothing wrong with the Playstation 4.

#156 Posted by Zassimick (6230 posts) -

AMAZING how nintendo's fanbase gets so upset when you dare speak out against their precious company. Bread_or_Decide

I see people upset on both sides and deciding to take a side in an argument doesn't necessarily mean a person is upset, there are plenty of people providing an argument for both advantages and disadvantages with Nintendo being all about nostalgia. 

#157 Posted by DarkLink77 (31686 posts) -
[QUOTE="Lucianu"]A new IP is always a risk. And from a company's standpoint, it's not cool to make a risk wen you can safely ride a succesful IP for all its worth. It's not a great perspective on things, but that's how the world works.MirkoS77
It's a crying shame. Nintendo has incredible talent and they stick to and hide behind proven IPs time and time again. Yet they take massive risks on hardware. Even so, considering the billions in their bank, their lack of experimentation and trying new things is shameful. Considering the amount of money they have and how many failed risks they could endure, I think it more boils down to simple laziness more than anything else.

I won't support a company that plays it safe, and I'm bored with Nintendo beyond tears. In my eyes they have become irellevant. These new announcements do excite me (mostly because AlttP and Yoshi's Island are two of my favorite games), but they beyond a doubt need new material.

This is so beyond ridiculous I don't even know where to begin. Have we suddenly forgotten games like Metroid Prime, or Metroid: Other M, which were huge risks with the Metroid IP? Have we suddenly forgotten the four new IPs Monolith has made in the last seven years, and the fact that they are currently working on another one? Have we suddenly forgotten the numerous second party partnerships that Nintendo has undertaken in recent years with studios like Platinum, Ganbarion, Mistwalker, Team Ninja, Square, Camelot and numerous other studios that are bringing us tons of new IPs or significantly different spins on old ones? Have we forgotten the numerous downloadable titles that they've published digitally recently? Have we forgotten that they are constantly reinventing their older IPs? Have we forgotten that fans ask for those games? Has no one noticed the outcry for more F-Zero, more Star Fox, a sequel to Eternal Darkness, etc? Have we forgotten that they're more than willing to let an IP lie dormant if they don't have any ideas for it, such as the above, and other series like Kid Icarus, Luigi's Mansion, Donkey Kong, etc? But no, Nintendo is lazy. They don't change it up. They don't take risks. Goddamn, but do you people even live in the real world?
#158 Posted by charizard1605 (55345 posts) -
[QUOTE="Lucianu"]A new IP is always a risk. And from a company's standpoint, it's not cool to make a risk wen you can safely ride a succesful IP for all its worth. It's not a great perspective on things, but that's how the world works.MirkoS77
It's a crying shame. Nintendo has incredible talent and they stick to and hide behind proven IPs time and time again. Yet they take massive risks on hardware. Even so, considering the billions in their bank, their lack of experimentation and trying new things is shameful. Considering the amount of money they have and how many failed risks they could endure, I think it more boils down to simple laziness more than anything else.

I won't support a company that plays it safe, and I'm bored with Nintendo beyond tears. In my eyes they have become irellevant. These new announcements do excite me (mostly because AlttP and Yoshi's Island are two of my favorite games), but they beyond a doubt need new material.

Why do people like you that want new IPs fail to acknowledge the existence of new franchises like Project X?
#159 Posted by charizard1605 (55345 posts) -
^ Also, what DarkLink said. Word for word.
#160 Posted by Lucianu (9309 posts) -

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]A new IP is always a risk. And from a company's standpoint, it's not cool to make a risk wen you can safely ride a succesful IP for all its worth. It's not a great perspective on things, but that's how the world works.charizard1605
It's a crying shame. Nintendo has incredible talent and they stick to and hide behind proven IPs time and time again. Yet they take massive risks on hardware. Even so, considering the billions in their bank, their lack of experimentation and trying new things is shameful. Considering the amount of money they have and how many failed risks they could endure, I think it more boils down to simple laziness more than anything else.

 

I won't support a company that plays it safe, and I'm bored with Nintendo beyond tears. In my eyes they have become irellevant. These new announcements do excite me (mostly because AlttP and Yoshi's Island are two of my favorite games), but they beyond a doubt need new material.

Why do people like you that want new IPs fail to acknowledge the existence of new franchises like Project X?

By saying Nintendo, i bet most, if not all people, are reffering to Shigeru Miyamoto himself developing a new IP, or something like that.

But yeah, i forgot that Monolith is a 1st party developer for Nintendo.

#161 Posted by charizard1605 (55345 posts) -

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="MirkoS77"]It's a crying shame. Nintendo has incredible talent and they stick to and hide behind proven IPs time and time again. Yet they take massive risks on hardware. Even so, considering the billions in their bank, their lack of experimentation and trying new things is shameful. Considering the amount of money they have and how many failed risks they could endure, I think it more boils down to simple laziness more than anything else.

 

I won't support a company that plays it safe, and I'm bored with Nintendo beyond tears. In my eyes they have become irellevant. These new announcements do excite me (mostly because AlttP and Yoshi's Island are two of my favorite games), but they beyond a doubt need new material. Lucianu

Why do people like you that want new IPs fail to acknowledge the existence of new franchises like Project X?

By saying Nintendo, i bet most, if not all people, are reffering to Shigeru Miyamoto himself developing a new IP, or something like that.

But yeah, i forgot that Monolith is a 1st party developer for Nintendo.

But see, that would be ridiculous; it's like saying Sony or Microsoft have NEVER developed a new IP. Nintendo has Monolith, like you said. And Retro, Retro is probably working on something new. A game like The Wonderful 101 is a new Nintendo IP. They are doing new stuff, this isn't even counting their smaller digital projects, but they are trying; this E3 will show us more.
#162 Posted by Shielder7 (5048 posts) -
All Nintendo has left is nostalgia.
#163 Posted by skrat_01 (33767 posts) -
It's a fair argument. Either way Nintendo are backed into a corner in selling consoles, and guess what people identify with and is less of a financial risk? Existing IPs. So I don't blame them.
#164 Posted by DarthJohnova (4599 posts) -
[QUOTE="MirkoS77"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]A new IP is always a risk. And from a company's standpoint, it's not cool to make a risk wen you can safely ride a succesful IP for all its worth. It's not a great perspective on things, but that's how the world works.DarkLink77
It's a crying shame. Nintendo has incredible talent and they stick to and hide behind proven IPs time and time again. Yet they take massive risks on hardware. Even so, considering the billions in their bank, their lack of experimentation and trying new things is shameful. Considering the amount of money they have and how many failed risks they could endure, I think it more boils down to simple laziness more than anything else.

I won't support a company that plays it safe, and I'm bored with Nintendo beyond tears. In my eyes they have become irellevant. These new announcements do excite me (mostly because AlttP and Yoshi's Island are two of my favorite games), but they beyond a doubt need new material.

This is so beyond ridiculous I don't even know where to begin. Have we suddenly forgotten games like Metroid Prime, or Metroid: Other M, which were huge risks with the Metroid IP? Have we suddenly forgotten the four new IPs Monolith has made in the last seven years, and the fact that they are currently working on another one? Have we suddenly forgotten the numerous second party partnerships that Nintendo has undertaken in recent years with studios like Platinum, Ganbarion, Mistwalker, Team Ninja, Square, Camelot and numerous other studios that are bringing us tons of new IPs or significantly different spins on old ones? Have we forgotten the numerous downloadable titles that they've published digitally recently? Have we forgotten that they are constantly reinventing their older IPs? Have we forgotten that fans ask for those games? Has no one noticed the outcry for more F-Zero, more Star Fox, a sequel to Eternal Darkness, etc? Have we forgotten that they're more than willing to let an IP lie dormant if they don't have any ideas for it, such as the above, and other series like Kid Icarus, Luigi's Mansion, Donkey Kong, etc? But no, Nintendo is lazy. They don't change it up. They don't take risks. Goddamn, but do you people even live in the real world?

Agreed, great post. Took the words right out of my mouth.
#165 Posted by AznbkdX (3120 posts) -

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]And yet again I repeat: if you want new Nintendo IPs, last generation they got us Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower. This generation we are already getting Wonderful 101 and Project X. We're getting new IPs. People just aren't paying attention.charizard1605

I know they are great games and Im completely aware of those games but as I said is it the poeple's fault or Nintendo's for them to not pay any attention to those games?

If you want your new IPs to be known to the public Nintendo needs to push them as far as a Mario game when it comes to marketing.

They probably will this time around. The argument is not marketing, however The argument is Nintendo not making any new IPs. I just pointed out that they do.

They do make new IPs, but I'm sure most people are only arguing about major AAA ones from EAD and Miyamoto, which its been a little while since a high quality big budget new IP that caters to us. Not saying Xenoblade wasn't one in a sense, but they want one straight from the big guy.

Of course no one mentions that at all though, so it just makes the whole Ninty don't do new stuff thing more unbearable to talk about. You're basically preaching to the crowd that is implying something else entirely.

#166 Posted by Lucianu (9309 posts) -

But see, that would be ridiculous; it's like saying Sony or Microsoft have NEVER developed a new IP. Nintendo has Monolith, like you said. And Retro, Retro is probably working on something new. A game like The Wonderful 101 is a new Nintendo IP. They are doing new stuff, this isn't even counting their smaller digital projects, but they are trying; this E3 will show us more.charizard1605

Makes sense to me, i don't care how ridiculous it sounds, the human mind is bat sh*t crazy filled with bias, influences, ignorance, you name it.

#167 Posted by BrunoBRS (73259 posts) -
[QUOTE="MirkoS77"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]A new IP is always a risk. And from a company's standpoint, it's not cool to make a risk wen you can safely ride a succesful IP for all its worth. It's not a great perspective on things, but that's how the world works.DarkLink77
It's a crying shame. Nintendo has incredible talent and they stick to and hide behind proven IPs time and time again. Yet they take massive risks on hardware. Even so, considering the billions in their bank, their lack of experimentation and trying new things is shameful. Considering the amount of money they have and how many failed risks they could endure, I think it more boils down to simple laziness more than anything else.

I won't support a company that plays it safe, and I'm bored with Nintendo beyond tears. In my eyes they have become irellevant. These new announcements do excite me (mostly because AlttP and Yoshi's Island are two of my favorite games), but they beyond a doubt need new material.

This is so beyond ridiculous I don't even know where to begin. Have we suddenly forgotten games like Metroid Prime, or Metroid: Other M, which were huge risks with the Metroid IP? Have we suddenly forgotten the four new IPs Monolith has made in the last seven years, and the fact that they are currently working on another one? Have we suddenly forgotten the numerous second party partnerships that Nintendo has undertaken in recent years with studios like Platinum, Ganbarion, Mistwalker, Team Ninja, Square, Camelot and numerous other studios that are bringing us tons of new IPs or significantly different spins on old ones? Have we forgotten the numerous downloadable titles that they've published digitally recently? Have we forgotten that they are constantly reinventing their older IPs? Have we forgotten that fans ask for those games? Has no one noticed the outcry for more F-Zero, more Star Fox, a sequel to Eternal Darkness, etc? Have we forgotten that they're more than willing to let an IP lie dormant if they don't have any ideas for it, such as the above, and other series like Kid Icarus, Luigi's Mansion, Donkey Kong, etc? But no, Nintendo is lazy. They don't change it up. They don't take risks. Goddamn, but do you people even live in the real world?

you just forgot a tiny note regarding kid icarus: it's a freaking shooter. they just grabbed the IP and slapped it on a third person shooter. it's nothing like KI for the NES, it can hardly be classified as a reimagining. it's a whole new thing, they just grabbed a familiar face that suited the gameplay.
#168 Posted by DarkLink77 (31686 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="MirkoS77"]It's a crying shame. Nintendo has incredible talent and they stick to and hide behind proven IPs time and time again. Yet they take massive risks on hardware. Even so, considering the billions in their bank, their lack of experimentation and trying new things is shameful. Considering the amount of money they have and how many failed risks they could endure, I think it more boils down to simple laziness more than anything else.

I won't support a company that plays it safe, and I'm bored with Nintendo beyond tears. In my eyes they have become irellevant. These new announcements do excite me (mostly because AlttP and Yoshi's Island are two of my favorite games), but they beyond a doubt need new material. BrunoBRS
This is so beyond ridiculous I don't even know where to begin. Have we suddenly forgotten games like Metroid Prime, or Metroid: Other M, which were huge risks with the Metroid IP? Have we suddenly forgotten the four new IPs Monolith has made in the last seven years, and the fact that they are currently working on another one? Have we suddenly forgotten the numerous second party partnerships that Nintendo has undertaken in recent years with studios like Platinum, Ganbarion, Mistwalker, Team Ninja, Square, Camelot and numerous other studios that are bringing us tons of new IPs or significantly different spins on old ones? Have we forgotten the numerous downloadable titles that they've published digitally recently? Have we forgotten that they are constantly reinventing their older IPs? Have we forgotten that fans ask for those games? Has no one noticed the outcry for more F-Zero, more Star Fox, a sequel to Eternal Darkness, etc? Have we forgotten that they're more than willing to let an IP lie dormant if they don't have any ideas for it, such as the above, and other series like Kid Icarus, Luigi's Mansion, Donkey Kong, etc? But no, Nintendo is lazy. They don't change it up. They don't take risks. Goddamn, but do you people even live in the real world?

you just forgot a tiny note regarding kid icarus: it's a freaking shooter. they just grabbed the IP and slapped it on a third person shooter. it's nothing like KI for the NES, it can hardly be classified as a reimagining. it's a whole new thing, they just grabbed a familiar face that suited the gameplay.

Well, that comes my from the fact that I've never played either Kid Icarus game. :P But yeah, it just drives the point home.
#169 Posted by sonic1564 (3265 posts) -

It makes no sense to stop using their established ip. zeroyaoi

your sig

#170 Posted by BrunoBRS (73259 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] This is so beyond ridiculous I don't even know where to begin. Have we suddenly forgotten games like Metroid Prime, or Metroid: Other M, which were huge risks with the Metroid IP? Have we suddenly forgotten the four new IPs Monolith has made in the last seven years, and the fact that they are currently working on another one? Have we suddenly forgotten the numerous second party partnerships that Nintendo has undertaken in recent years with studios like Platinum, Ganbarion, Mistwalker, Team Ninja, Square, Camelot and numerous other studios that are bringing us tons of new IPs or significantly different spins on old ones? Have we forgotten the numerous downloadable titles that they've published digitally recently? Have we forgotten that they are constantly reinventing their older IPs? Have we forgotten that fans ask for those games? Has no one noticed the outcry for more F-Zero, more Star Fox, a sequel to Eternal Darkness, etc? Have we forgotten that they're more than willing to let an IP lie dormant if they don't have any ideas for it, such as the above, and other series like Kid Icarus, Luigi's Mansion, Donkey Kong, etc? But no, Nintendo is lazy. They don't change it up. They don't take risks. Goddamn, but do you people even live in the real world?

you just forgot a tiny note regarding kid icarus: it's a freaking shooter. they just grabbed the IP and slapped it on a third person shooter. it's nothing like KI for the NES, it can hardly be classified as a reimagining. it's a whole new thing, they just grabbed a familiar face that suited the gameplay.

Well, that comes my from the fact that I've never played either Kid Icarus game. :P But yeah, it just drives the point home.

old one is kinda like megaman, but mostly vertical. new one is like fantasy vanquish, without the cover.
#171 Posted by charizard1605 (55345 posts) -

They have a point while contradictory based on GS reviews the point still stands and the tone was a little pretentious but still they have a point.

Nintendo needs to depend on their brand studios instead of depending on their franchises because the days of publishers depending on a mascot to sell are almost over, fans loves Nintendo and they know every Nintendo developer/studio making their Marios and Zeldas....etc.

The mentality of "oh we're releasing this game as a Zelda to sell" should change, they should bring more variety to sell their consoles because lets face it if they want to be in the discussion of the broader audience they need to make something else. Let the studio stamp sell the game instead of relying of the franchise stamp on the box of the game just like what most developers do now.

People are buying this specifc game because it came from Valve, Naughty Dog, Konami, Capcom, Bioware, Bungie or Platinum Games...etc etc and people surely not buying it because of Master Chief ( well that's a factor too but still ) or Drake or Bayonetta.

Nintendo should still bring a main/major brand name to their portfolio like a console Mario, Zelda and Pokemon game every generation since that's what the core fans wants and that's how you build upon bringing the younger generations of fans.

But the rule should be only one game so they could concentrate their creativity to tackle the broader crowd who wants something more and different with new IPs and new trilogies every console generation.

Or they can always hire Fumito Ueda.

HAZE-Unit
And yet again I repeat: if you want new Nintendo IPs, last generation they got us Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower. This generation we are already getting Wonderful 101 and Project X. We're getting new IPs. People just aren't paying attention.
#172 Posted by HAZE-Unit (10464 posts) -

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

They have a point while contradictory based on GS reviews the point still stands and the tone was a little pretentious but still they have a point.

Nintendo needs to depend on their brand studios instead of depending on their franchises because the days of publishers depending on a mascot to sell are almost over, fans loves Nintendo and they know every Nintendo developer/studio making their Marios and Zeldas....etc.

The mentality of "oh we're releasing this game as a Zelda to sell" should change, they should bring more variety to sell their consoles because lets face it if they want to be in the discussion of the broader audience they need to make something else. Let the studio stamp sell the game instead of relying of the franchise stamp on the box of the game just like what most developers do now.

People are buying this specifc game because it came from Valve, Naughty Dog, Konami, Capcom, Bioware, Bungie or Platinum Games...etc etc and people surely not buying it because of Master Chief ( well that's a factor too but still ) or Drake or Bayonetta.

Nintendo should still bring a main/major brand name to their portfolio like a console Mario, Zelda and Pokemon game every generation since that's what the core fans wants and that's how you build upon bringing the younger generations of fans.

But the rule should be only one game so they could concentrate their creativity to tackle the broader crowd who wants something more and different with new IPs and new trilogies every console generation.

Or they can always hire Fumito Ueda.

charizard1605

And yet again I repeat: if you want new Nintendo IPs, last generation they got us Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower. This generation we are already getting Wonderful 101 and Project X. We're getting new IPs. People just aren't paying attention.

I know they are great games and Im completely aware of those games but as I said is it the poeple's fault or Nintendo's for them to not pay any attention to those games?

If you want your new IPs to be known to the public Nintendo needs to push them as far as a Mario game when it comes to marketing.

#173 Posted by charizard1605 (55345 posts) -

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

They have a point while contradictory based on GS reviews the point still stands and the tone was a little pretentious but still they have a point.

Nintendo needs to depend on their brand studios instead of depending on their franchises because the days of publishers depending on a mascot to sell are almost over, fans loves Nintendo and they know every Nintendo developer/studio making their Marios and Zeldas....etc.

The mentality of "oh we're releasing this game as a Zelda to sell" should change, they should bring more variety to sell their consoles because lets face it if they want to be in the discussion of the broader audience they need to make something else. Let the studio stamp sell the game instead of relying of the franchise stamp on the box of the game just like what most developers do now.

People are buying this specifc game because it came from Valve, Naughty Dog, Konami, Capcom, Bioware, Bungie or Platinum Games...etc etc and people surely not buying it because of Master Chief ( well that's a factor too but still ) or Drake or Bayonetta.

Nintendo should still bring a main/major brand name to their portfolio like a console Mario, Zelda and Pokemon game every generation since that's what the core fans wants and that's how you build upon bringing the younger generations of fans.

But the rule should be only one game so they could concentrate their creativity to tackle the broader crowd who wants something more and different with new IPs and new trilogies every console generation.

Or they can always hire Fumito Ueda.

HAZE-Unit

And yet again I repeat: if you want new Nintendo IPs, last generation they got us Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower. This generation we are already getting Wonderful 101 and Project X. We're getting new IPs. People just aren't paying attention.

I know they are great games and Im completely aware of those games but as I said is it the poeple's fault or Nintendo's for them to not pay any attention to those games?

If you want your new IPs to be known to the public Nintendo needs to push them as far as a Mario game when it comes to marketing.

They probably will this time around. The argument is not marketing, however The argument is Nintendo not making any new IPs. I just pointed out that they do.
#174 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26088 posts) -
Funny, because the former sheep act more nostalgic than the current ones do.
#175 Posted by Gue1 (9382 posts) -

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Nintendo has the biggest stable of proven IPs in the world. As long as they continue to give is all new experiences, and they do, it doesn't matter what they do.Pikminmaniac

Ninitendo is more creative and original with their old ips than their competition is with their new ips

 

I see you're suffering from a case of blinded by nostalgia. :lol:

 

Sony IPs: Shadow of the Collossus, Patapon, Siren, Uncharted, Crash, Jak, Heavy Rain, Demon's Souls, Gran Turismo, GOW, Wild Arms, LBP, Journey, inFamous and many new unreleased IPs like TLOU, Tear Away, Knack etc. 

 

Just look at the diversity and all of them are not only good games but some of them like Uncharted inspired a generation!

#176 Posted by Gue1 (9382 posts) -

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]And yet again I repeat: if you want new Nintendo IPs, last generation they got us Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower. This generation we are already getting Wonderful 101 and Project X. We're getting new IPs. People just aren't paying attention.charizard1605

I know they are great games and Im completely aware of those games but as I said is it the poeple's fault or Nintendo's for them to not pay any attention to those games?

If you want your new IPs to be known to the public Nintendo needs to push them as far as a Mario game when it comes to marketing.

They probably will this time around. The argument is not marketing, however The argument is Nintendo not making any new IPs. I just pointed out that they do.

 

the issue with those 3 games you mentioned (Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower) they only catter to certain demographic... The weaboo demographic. Nintendo not only is lacking on new IPs but in diversity too. Just because the Wii had 1 or 2 new IPs means nothing. This gen alone Sony pumped more new IPs than Nintendo in the last 20 or so years.

#177 Posted by cfisher2833 (1544 posts) -

I stopped listening after a few minutes. It was completely asinine--what I would expect from McShea. He's pretty much arguing that, even though they add new, interesting gameplay mechanics, because they don't give it a new skin (ala GTA->Red Dead Redemption) with new characters, they're not innovating. I like IPs like anyone else, but if your new IP is just a rehash of the tired mechanics of your old game (imagine Epic ending the Gears franchise and then starting another 3rd person cover shooter), that "innovation" means nothing. 

#178 Posted by charizard1605 (55345 posts) -

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

I know they are great games and Im completely aware of those games but as I said is it the poeple's fault or Nintendo's for them to not pay any attention to those games?

If you want your new IPs to be known to the public Nintendo needs to push them as far as a Mario game when it comes to marketing.

Gue1

They probably will this time around. The argument is not marketing, however The argument is Nintendo not making any new IPs. I just pointed out that they do.

 

the issue with those 3 games you mentioned (Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower) they only catter to certain demographic... The weaboo demographic. Nintendo not only is lacking on new IPs but in diversity too. Just because the Wii had 1 or 2 new IPs means nothing. This gen alone Sony pumped more new IPs than Nintendo in the last 20 or so years.

Nintendo has published over 40 IPs in the last twenty years, are you SURE Sony has made more than that in this generation alone? Are you positive?
#179 Posted by murat8 (10332 posts) -
One persons "problem" is another persons reason for buying said console, I know exactly what im going to get this gen.
#180 Posted by HAZE-Unit (10464 posts) -

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]And yet again I repeat: if you want new Nintendo IPs, last generation they got us Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower. This generation we are already getting Wonderful 101 and Project X. We're getting new IPs. People just aren't paying attention.charizard1605

I know they are great games and Im completely aware of those games but as I said is it the poeple's fault or Nintendo's for them to not pay any attention to those games?

If you want your new IPs to be known to the public Nintendo needs to push them as far as a Mario game when it comes to marketing.

They probably will this time around. The argument is not marketing, however The argument is Nintendo not making any new IPs. I just pointed out that they do.

But these factors are important! the games you've mentioned are not treated as much as a known Nintendo franchise in terms of budget of development and marketing thats why I've brought the point of the "broader audience discussion" in my original post.

Look how much of an impact the Gears of War series brought to the console industry thanks to "Epic Games" for example, those kinds of experiences should be done internally by Nintendo and Im not saying they should make another Gears of War but they should make something that is the next Gears of War.

Those games you've mentioned are not industry defining moments or as big of a discussion/anticipated as much as a Mario game, Nintendo should make changes within their best studios who repeatedly makes the next Mario, Zelda Metroid, Smash....etc.

 

#181 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26088 posts) -

[QUOTE="Pikminmaniac"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Nintendo has the biggest stable of proven IPs in the world. As long as they continue to give is all new experiences, and they do, it doesn't matter what they do.Gue1

Ninitendo is more creative and original with their old ips than their competition is with their new ips

I see you're suffering from a case of blinded by nostalgia. :lol:

Considering you'll only praise Nintendo as if it regards into the SNES, I can say YOU are just as bad, Gue.

#182 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

I don't see that as a bad thing, personally.

There's a lot of old games I keep returning too while there are many new games that are just forgettable to me.

#183 Posted by Capitan_Kid (6516 posts) -
[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

They have a point while contradictory based on GS reviews the point still stands and the tone was a little pretentious but still they have a point.

Nintendo needs to depend on their brand studios instead of depending on their franchises because the days of publishers depending on a mascot to sell are almost over, fans loves Nintendo and they know every Nintendo developer/studio making their Marios and Zeldas....etc.

The mentality of "oh we're releasing this game as a Zelda to sell" should change, they should bring more variety to sell their consoles because lets face it if they want to be in the discussion of the broader audience they need to make something else. Let the studio stamp sell the game instead of relying of the franchise stamp on the box of the game just like what most developers do now.

People are buying this specifc game because it came from Valve, Naughty Dog, Konami, Capcom, Bioware, Bungie or Platinum Games...etc etc and people surely not buying it because of Master Chief ( well that's a factor too but still ) or Drake or Bayonetta.

Nintendo should still bring a main/major brand name to their portfolio like a console Mario, Zelda and Pokemon game every generation since that's what the core fans wants and that's how you build upon bringing the younger generations of fans.

But the rule should be only one game so they could concentrate their creativity to tackle the broader crowd who wants something more and different with new IPs and new trilogies every console generation.

Or they can always hire Fumito Ueda.

charizard1605
And yet again I repeat: if you want new Nintendo IPs, last generation they got us Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower. This generation we are already getting Wonderful 101 and Project X. We're getting new IPs. People just aren't paying attention.

Three isnt much to brag about. Two of those games aren't all that.
#184 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
Goddamn, but do you people even live in the real world?DarkLink77
He spends too much time on PGD with Cynics Anonymous.
#185 Posted by charizard1605 (55345 posts) -
[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

They have a point while contradictory based on GS reviews the point still stands and the tone was a little pretentious but still they have a point.

Nintendo needs to depend on their brand studios instead of depending on their franchises because the days of publishers depending on a mascot to sell are almost over, fans loves Nintendo and they know every Nintendo developer/studio making their Marios and Zeldas....etc.

The mentality of "oh we're releasing this game as a Zelda to sell" should change, they should bring more variety to sell their consoles because lets face it if they want to be in the discussion of the broader audience they need to make something else. Let the studio stamp sell the game instead of relying of the franchise stamp on the box of the game just like what most developers do now.

People are buying this specifc game because it came from Valve, Naughty Dog, Konami, Capcom, Bioware, Bungie or Platinum Games...etc etc and people surely not buying it because of Master Chief ( well that's a factor too but still ) or Drake or Bayonetta.

Nintendo should still bring a main/major brand name to their portfolio like a console Mario, Zelda and Pokemon game every generation since that's what the core fans wants and that's how you build upon bringing the younger generations of fans.

But the rule should be only one game so they could concentrate their creativity to tackle the broader crowd who wants something more and different with new IPs and new trilogies every console generation.

Or they can always hire Fumito Ueda.

Capitan_Kid
And yet again I repeat: if you want new Nintendo IPs, last generation they got us Xenoblade, Last Story, and Pandora's Tower. This generation we are already getting Wonderful 101 and Project X. We're getting new IPs. People just aren't paying attention.

Three isnt much to brag about. Two of those games aren't all that.

Which ones? The only one I can see a case being made for is Pandora's Tower.
#186 Posted by finalstar2007 (24882 posts) -

Do all mario games relesed have a story?? or are they liked just because of the gameplay?? im kind of interested to know about this lol

#187 Posted by BrunoBRS (73259 posts) -

Do all mario games relesed have a story?? or are they liked just because of the gameplay?? im kind of interested to know about this lol

finalstar2007
mario platformers are all about the gameplay. the little plot they have is just an excuse for you to go through a bunch of cool, varied levels and experience platforming at its best.
#188 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

Do all mario games relesed have a story?? or are they liked just because of the gameplay?? im kind of interested to know about this lol

finalstar2007

 

Story in the Mario games is pretty un-important.

So yes, they are praised because of the gameplay. (read: excellent and creative level design)

If you want more story in the Mario universe, you should try the SM RPG & Paper Mario series. (which are all "lighthearted" RPGs but have a charm of their own)

#189 Posted by charizard1605 (55345 posts) -

Do all mario games relesed have a story?? or are they liked just because of the gameplay?? im kind of interested to know about this lol

finalstar2007
Depends on what Mario games we are talking about; the mainline platforming series has no story or narrative beyond the bare minimum. Very obviously, neither do the Mario Kart, Mario Tennis, Mario Party, and Mario Golf games. The Mario RPGs- Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario, Mario and Luigi- do, and they have some really good story and dialog to boot.
#190 Posted by _Matt_ (8835 posts) -

[QUOTE="Lucianu"]

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

Don't even suggest a Mario RPG, I could not think of a less appealing game.

DarkLink77

Uhh.. Paper Mario and Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars are good RPGs.

This. That statement was f*cking stupid and you should feel bad, Matt.

 

I do not feel bad, so shoot me. And no just no to both those titles mentioned.

#191 Posted by HAZE-Unit (10464 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Lucianu"]

Uhh.. Paper Mario and Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars are good RPGs.

_Matt_

This. That statement was f*cking stupid and you should feel bad, Matt.

 

I do not feel bad, so shoot me. And no just no to both those titles mentioned.

Dude, if you want to talk about bad don't mention Super Mario RPG, that game was one of the best RPGs ever created.

#192 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="Novotine"]It's not like this is news. Nintendo cashes in on Nostalgia - they had some awesome franchises back in the 90s; they've failed to move on. charizard1605

Nintendo doesn't even know how to make games in HD yet.

Good game design>>>>F*cking HD

Mature games with realistic graphics good game design >>>>>>>>> cartoons with good design

Would I rather play Mass Effect(just an example) or save the princess for the 100th time.

#193 Posted by RyanShazam (6498 posts) -

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

I honestly could not imagine myself getting home and sitting down to play Mario. I'm sure I will buy Nintendo systems again when I have children around 5 or 6 years old.

StrongBlackVine

So, you wont ever be buying a Nintendo console then... Got it.

LOL the only way you will ever mate is if you hook up with that ugly rodent in your sig!

LOL n1gga U funny!

#194 Posted by ImJESUS-PROam (337 posts) -

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] This. That statement was f*cking stupid and you should feel bad, Matt.HAZE-Unit

 

I do not feel bad, so shoot me. And no just no to both those titles mentioned.

Dude, if you want to talk about bad don't mention Super Mario RPG, that game was one of the best RPGs ever created.

Your User Name is HAZE you have no taste in games if you think SMrpg is one of the best jrpgs ever created.
#195 Posted by loosingENDS (11775 posts) -

I dont have a problem with them

3DS is now one of my best consoles of all time and in the unique position to be the first console in the world that has a FF and a Zelda game in one single platform

Actually maybe it has more, since it could get multiple new Zeldas and Bravely Default 2

It is gaminh heaven

WiiU is garbage though, but Nintendo is doing better than ever with 3DS

#196 Posted by charizard1605 (55345 posts) -

I dont have a problem with them

3DS is now one of my best consoles of all time and in the unique position to be the first console in the world that has a FF and a Zelda game in one single platform

Actually maybe it has more, since it could get multiple new Zeldas and Bravely Default 2

It is gaminh heaven

WiiU is garbage though, but Nintendo is doing better than ever with 3DS

loosingENDS
Uhhhhh... SNES? NES?
#197 Posted by cain006 (8625 posts) -

A good game is a good game. I don't care if they use the same ips.

#198 Posted by Advid-Gamer (4631 posts) -

A good game is a good game. I don't care if they use the same ips.

cain006
Sure, u can just keep playing the same games, slightly updated with the old current gens hardware as the new hardware, every gen, That like never gets old, nintendo is so on the cutting edge. They haven't lost a single step.
#199 Posted by cfisher2833 (1544 posts) -

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

 

I do not feel bad, so shoot me. And no just no to both those titles mentioned.

ImJESUS-PROam

Dude, if you want to talk about bad don't mention Super Mario RPG, that game was one of the best RPGs ever created.

Your User Name is HAZE you have no taste in games if you think SMrpg is one of the best jrpgs ever created.

 

I'd take a mario rpg (whether it's Paper Mario, Mario and Luigi, or SMRPG) and its comical dialogue over the usual JRPG trash that spews out of Japan. 

#200 Posted by NathanDrakeSwag (5127 posts) -

People are sick of Nintendos 1980s baby boomer Saturday morning cartoon lineup.