Gamespot : 500$ PC outperforms both PS4 and X1

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#201 Ballroompirate
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@melonfarmerz said:

@Ballroompirate said:

@melonfarmerz said:

I literally edited it 2 seconds after I posted it. Bad luck. Thanks.

But to reiterate. At least attempt to consider what a "build" in Starcraft entails in a 25 minute match.

Lol 25 min matches? those are some horrible drawn out matches like bronze vs bronze.

Looking at Husky's channel, only looking at his latest few competitive commentaries, we have game times of 10, 15, 20, 20, 10, 20, 25, 30, 25, 25, 25, 25, 40, 35, 30

Considering you've apparently played enough SC2 to say that the game lacks a requirement in skill, I find it very odd that you consider a 25 minute match a long one.

However, I see you've decided to ignore my advice to consider what a "build" entails and instead, focus on inaccurately pointing out what you thought was a flaw in my argument.

Never in my life has the phrase "Drink to Kool Aid" been so appropriate.

The stupidity flows through you lol, also are you referring to his bronze league commentaries? cause if you are then lol even more.

Seriously if you think it's hard to figure out what counters what then you're a tool. If someone throws a roach build (which is a 7 min build) at you and you keep on making marines you're gonna lose. Figuring what counters what is not hard, it's so fraking simple. There's also a few cheese strats that work depending if someone can catch it or not.

Like I said earlier actually timing the build perfectly and not messing up on your build order is the hard part cause if you're 5 sec or more late pumping out a zeal or marauder then you're screwed if your opponent is almost flawless with his build. Then if you have a opponent that actually scouts while you don't, your opponent already has an edge over you.

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#202  Edited By kalipekona
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@R4gn4r0k said:

@xboxdone74 said:

Unfortunately doesn't outperform in goty exclusives.

Is it just me, or are herms getting more and more desperate?

Is it me or do consolites keep repeating the same argument ?

They have no argument, so they just flail around ineffectively.

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#203 lundy86_4
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@razu2444 said:

Hermits Reek of desperation.

Have you seen the multitude of X1 Vs. PS4 threads?

It's a GS article posted today. It's SW relevant. I feel like you should move on.

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#204 Ballroompirate
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@lundy86_4: Well the PS4 vs X1 is pretty much the only console vs console worth mentioning atm tell E3, in fact I don't even know why people are trying to claim ownage over the other tell E3 starts. That's when all the juicy stuff starts.

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#205  Edited By lglz1337
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when was the last time pc won a goty ?

pcgamers only play LoL and uhhmm fifa ? madden ?

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#206 Indicud
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200 dollars more expensive than the PS4, yet it doesn't include mouse, speakers monitor, etc.

Stupid hermits

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#207  Edited By GabranthXIII
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@lglz1337 said:

when was the last time pc won a goty ?

When was the last time someone cared?

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#209  Edited By lundy86_4
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@Ballroompirate said:

@lundy86_4: Well the PS4 vs X1 is pretty much the only console vs console worth mentioning atm tell E3, in fact I don't even know why people are trying to claim ownage over the other tell E3 starts. That's when all the juicy stuff starts.

Exactly. Now they're just competing with a pretty lame launch lineup. E3 will cause a meltdown between 5 or 6 posters, because that's the current Cow/Lemming population.

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#210 lglz1337
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@GabranthXIII: console gamers love superb games pcgamers love comparing benchmarks

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#211 lundy86_4
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@Indicud said:

200 dollars more expensive than the PS4, yet it doesn't include mouse, speakers monitor, etc.

Stupid hermits

The mouse is included, and the speaker/monitor combo has never been included, as you can use a PC on a TV.

Also, this is a GS article. Damn, you dumb.

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#212 melonfarmerz
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@Ballroompirate said:

@melonfarmerz said:

@Ballroompirate said:

@melonfarmerz said:

I literally edited it 2 seconds after I posted it. Bad luck. Thanks.

But to reiterate. At least attempt to consider what a "build" in Starcraft entails in a 25 minute match.

Lol 25 min matches? those are some horrible drawn out matches like bronze vs bronze.

Looking at Husky's channel, only looking at his latest few competitive commentaries, we have game times of 10, 15, 20, 20, 10, 20, 25, 30, 25, 25, 25, 25, 40, 35, 30

Considering you've apparently played enough SC2 to say that the game lacks a requirement in skill, I find it very odd that you consider a 25 minute match a long one.

However, I see you've decided to ignore my advice to consider what a "build" entails and instead, focus on inaccurately pointing out what you thought was a flaw in my argument.

Never in my life has the phrase "Drink to Kool Aid" been so appropriate.

The stupidity flows through you lol, also are you referring to his bronze league commentaries? cause if you are then lol even more.

Seriously if you think it's hard to figure out what counters what then you're a tool. If someone throws a roach build (which is a 7 min build) at you and you keep on making marines you're gonna lose. Figuring what counters what is not hard, it's so fraking simple. There's also a few cheese strats that work depending if someone can catch it or not.

Like I said earlier actually timing the build perfectly and not messing up on your build order is the hard part cause if you're 5 sec or more late pumping out a zeal or marauder then you're screwed if your opponent is almost flawless with his build. Then if you have a opponent that actually scouts while you don't, your opponent already has an edge over you.

Can you post two things in a row without using the word "stupid"? Are you 10?

No. Do you not understand what "competitive" means. Only his pro commentaries.

You're actually so stubborn. I hope you realize your opinion one of the very small but vocal minority.

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#213 AM-Gamer
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@04dcarraher Yet TR on a 7850 hits low 20s on a 7850 it will not beat a PS4 just like a Gforce 6800 couldn't beat a 360 after the first year. Another generation and you have the same lame argument all over again. Last gen it was ram this gen it's the cpu regardless a similar spec pc will get trounced by consoles as time goes on. Just like last gen

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#215  Edited By clyde46
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Holy shit. You lot of baited hardcore.

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#217 Ballroompirate
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@melonfarmerz: Says the guy who uses "Drink to Kool Aid", let the ignorance flow through, but that doesn't surprise me since you're a SC fanboy.

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#218  Edited By Bishop1310
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@Telekill said:

I'll stick with my PS4. It has the games I want to play; both exclusive and not exclusive.

lol and the PC has no games you want to play? stfu fan boy.

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#219 Jankarcop
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@AM-Gamer said:

@Jankarcop: tomb raider is better on PS4 as well as nba 2k14 and Madden.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-tomb-raider-definitive-edition-next-gen-face-off

Its better on PC. I'm glad you understand most multiplats are better on PC.

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#220  Edited By Jankarcop
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@lglz1337 said:

when was the last time pc won a goty ?

pcgamers only play LoL and uhhmm fifa ? madden ?

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#221  Edited By lglz1337
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@Jankarcop: i said won a goty

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#222  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@AM-Gamer said:

@04dcarraher Yet TR on a 7850 hits low 20s on a 7850 it will not beat a PS4 just like a Gforce 6800 couldn't beat a 360 after the first year. Another generation and you have the same lame argument all over again. Last gen it was ram this gen it's the cpu regardless a similar spec pc will get trounced by consoles as time goes on. Just like last gen

so full of crap.... lets ignore the fact that TB on pc is using full blown TressFX version 1.0 while PS4 is running a more optimized and slimmed down version that is missing aspects from 1.0. And not ignore that Pc version is also running tessellation that PS4 version lacks..... Also lets not ignore the fact that PS4 version fps also drops too.

also your an idiot, the 360 was the first product to use unified gpu architecture, while 6800 was 2004 based gpu still using the older based tech for vertex and pixel rendering. The X1 and PS4 are not using the fastest gpu's nor is using the latest and greatest they are using current low to mid ranged PC gpu's. Their not special nor have some secret sauce this time around

go away you poor excuse for a troll.

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#223 NVIDIAking
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We all know WoW is the hardest PC game.

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#224  Edited By lundy86_4
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@lglz1337 said:

@Jankarcop: i said won a goty

On GS? Isn't that limiting the scope?

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#225 regnaston
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I agree with the person who mentioned that an open boxed item should not be able to be used for this project.. IMO it should be readily available off the shelf in every location

Also I think input devices should be the same as the console (they were trying to compare to console) so a game pad should have been required.

Lastly having a $550 price range is above both the XB1 and the PS4 and $100 of the price of the XB1 is from the Kinect. The price point should have been $400

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#226 Mr-Powers
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Can we at least go a day without the hermies owning themselves?

You spent more than consoles and got hardware that will break in a few months if you are lucky, and comparing performance to rushed launch games. I thought all hermies were Bruce Wayne and could afford the terminator CPU and run all games with everything maxed. hahahahah.

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#227 lundy86_4
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@mr-powers said:

Can we at least go a day without the hermies owning themselves?

You spent more than consoles and got hardware that will break in a few months if you are lucky, and comparing performance to rushed launch games. I thought all hermies were Bruce Wayne and could afford the terminator CPU and run all games with everything maxed. hahahahah.

Break in a few months? What are you basing this on?

It also doesn't help that many PC parts offer more than a single-year warranty.

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#228  Edited By AM-Gamer
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@04dcarraher: god your a fool. Yes the PC version is running full blown tress FX that happens to look far worse then the console version. Last gen you called all the same BS. "Buh buh teh cell , buh buh ten lack of memory. Yet it still stomped any pc with a 6 or 7 series after 2 years. Buh buh teh drivers. Lmao

i don't deny there are current GPUs that will always outperform a PS4 but a 7850 isn't one of them nor will any of the pcs in that article.

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#229  Edited By jun_aka_pekto
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For $550, that's not too bad although I rather pony up $50 more and have a GTX 760.

Even at $600, that PC can game plus do all the other non-gaming stuff.

If I have only a PS4 or XB1, I'd still have to buy a non-gaming PC (laptop or desktop) and add that to the console's price.

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#230 Mr-Powers
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And poor articles like this aren't gonna help gamespot rebuild their credibility.

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#231 AM-Gamer
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@gamecubepad: God you crack me up. So a card meant to work well with Mantle is going to work great on Nvidia cards as well? Hermits live in this imaginary land where they take a open platform and act as if it's one unified box. You would think AMD and Nvidia are the same company the way you trolls talk about pc gaming.

If it works great on AMD it's probably not gonna be great on Nvidia and vice versa. It's funny how you think consoles need this magical optimization whem in reality they don't they just needs ports that are not rushed trash. How do you have a game like Infamous SS which looks about 6 years ahead of thief also perform better? That's usually what happens when you spend 70% of the development time on incomplete dev kits.

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@R4gn4r0k said:

@xboxdone74 said:

Unfortunately doesn't outperform in goty exclusives.

Is it just me, or are herms getting more and more desperate?

Is it me or do consolites keep repeating the same argument ?

ofcourse they do, it is the only straw the yhave left to cling on ;)

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@Indicud said:

200 dollars more expensive than the PS4, yet it doesn't include mouse, speakers monitor, etc.

Stupid hermits

Did your PS4 come with your TV and surround system?

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#234 Indicud
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@MonsieurX said:

@Indicud said:

200 dollars more expensive than the PS4, yet it doesn't include mouse, speakers monitor, etc.

Stupid hermits

Did your PS4 come with your TV and surround system?

Yes.

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#235  Edited By ojmstr
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I have never understood why you pc people are praising pc games so much, yeah sure you have better graphics but your games consists of mostly indie games and bad ported console games. Look at dayz for instance and then you take a look at The last of us on the ps3, the last of us on the ps3 is 10 times better.

Take a look at the 10 most anticipated games that will come out on the next gen consoles >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uiwIaJ3Qg8

Pc games can not match these console games, if you think otherwise please link top 10 most anticipated games for pc in this thread.

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@Indicud said:

@MonsieurX said:

@Indicud said:

200 dollars more expensive than the PS4, yet it doesn't include mouse, speakers monitor, etc.

Stupid hermits

Did your PS4 come with your TV and surround system?

Yes.

So you bought it with your TV and surround sound system then....

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#237  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@AM-Gamer said:

@04dcarraher: god your a fool. Yes the PC version is running full blown tress FX that happens to look far worse then the console version. Last gen you called all the same BS. "Buh buh teh cell , buh buh ten lack of memory. Yet it still stomped any pc with a 6 or 7 series after 2 years. Buh buh teh drivers. Lmao

i don't deny there are current GPUs that will always outperform a PS4 but a 7850 isn't one of them nor will any of the pcs in that article.

im the fool? lol HAHAHHAHHA ! what a joke and your posts are a joke go cry some more that the PS4 is junk before it even came out.

the PS4 version does not look better O wait its your fanboy goggles that's right....

again your hanging onto the past that old based tech was beaten by newer tech how neat! geforce 6 & 7 used old methods and design. but but im too blind to see that fact.....

never said 7850 would outright outperform PS4 but it would be on par but PS4 wont out pace a 7870 sorry.

O by the way

"A direct comparison with the PC version set to the ultimate quality preset reveals some large discrepancies between the Definitive Editions compared with the full-fat PC experience. Aspects such as tessellation are missing on the characters and environments, with some of these elements appearing more blocky on the PS4 and Xbox One as a result. Meanwhile, motion blur is used much more sparingly, while texture resolution is noticeably lower in some cases. On the flip side, all the Definitive Edition graphical extras - such as the dynamic foliage and the impressive sub-surface scattering - are absent from the PC, which represents another (albeit smaller) compromise."

fact is the PS4 overall looks worse then Pc version , just because someone got an face lift does not change the fact PS4 had to do compromises to make it run.

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#238 lostrib
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@ojmstr: lol no

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@SolidTy said:

Here's direct quotes from the Article:

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However, what about a gaming PC that isn't top of the line, say, one that was built for $550?

We aimed to stay within a budget of $550--roughly the most you can pay for an Xbox One in North America...

A budget of $550 is unusually small for a gaming PC...

With my $550 PC, I was able to handily outperform the Xbox One in every case, and the PlayStation 4 in most cases, which says a lot about the value of the PlayStation 4 given its lower $400 price point...

You can build a gaming PC for around the cost of an Xbox One [+50]...

Current cross-platform games on consoles perform best on a PlayStation 4, which currently sells for $100 less than an Xbox One. If you were to try to build a gaming PC for $400 to $450, our experience has taught us that you would end up with a machine that can't compete with either next-gen console.

----

$550 is the number they worked with, not $500. In any event, $550 is a jump from a $400 PS4.

My favorite line from the piece is,

"No piracy or preexisting parts allowed!"

Then you'll notice that neither build has a DVD drive to install the OS onto the computers...

Hmm...

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i install from usb

optical drives lol

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#241  Edited By lostrib
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@CrownKingArthur: don't you need an already existing PC for that?

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#242 AM-Gamer
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@Jankarcop said:

@AM-Gamer said:

@Jankarcop: tomb raider is better on PS4 as well as nba 2k14 and Madden.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-tomb-raider-definitive-edition-next-gen-face-off

Its better on PC. I'm glad you understand most multiplats are better on PC.

PS4 advantages

1. more foilage

2. Dynamic foliage

3.Better lighting

4. better particle effects

5. better specular maps

PC advantages

1. Tesselation

2. Higer res textures(in select areas)

3. higer then 60 fps

PC advantages for pc's that are the subject of this thread

NONE!!!

Glad i could educate you, good day!

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#243 m3dude1
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am gamer you forgot subsurface scattering, which the pc version also lacks.

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#244 trugs26
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The beauty of all of this is that I can just buy a *few* new parts in order to upgrade my PC. So jumping between gens is actually cheaper once you've made the initial investment.

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#245 lostrib
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@AM-Gamer: fail

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@04dcarraher said:

@AM-Gamer said:

@04dcarraher: god your a fool. Yes the PC version is running full blown tress FX that happens to look far worse then the console version. Last gen you called all the same BS. "Buh buh teh cell , buh buh ten lack of memory. Yet it still stomped any pc with a 6 or 7 series after 2 years. Buh buh teh drivers. Lmao

i don't deny there are current GPUs that will always outperform a PS4 but a 7850 isn't one of them nor will any of the pcs in that article.

im the fool? lol HAHAHHAHHA ! what a joke and your posts are a joke go cry some more that the PS4 is junk before it even came out.

the PS4 version does not look better O wait its your fanboy goggles that's right....

again your hanging onto the past that old based tech was beaten by newer tech how neat! geforce 6 & 7 used old methods and design. but but im too blind to see that fact.....

never said 7850 would outright outperform PS4 but it would be on par but PS4 wont out pace a 7870 sorry.

O by the way

"A direct comparison with the PC version set to the ultimate quality preset reveals some large discrepancies between the Definitive Editions compared with the full-fat PC experience. Aspects such as tessellation are missing on the characters and environments, with some of these elements appearing more blocky on the PS4 and Xbox One as a result. Meanwhile, motion blur is used much more sparingly, while texture resolution is noticeably lower in some cases. On the flip side, all the Definitive Edition graphical extras - such as the dynamic foliage and the impressive sub-surface scattering - are absent from the PC, which represents another (albeit smaller) compromise."

fact is the PS4 overall looks worse then Pc version , just because someone got an face lift does not change the fact PS4 had to do compromises to make it run.

Joke of a post everything I said is true and you are doing the same butthurt routine you did 5 years ago. Yes the PS4 version does look better in many more ways then the pc looks better then the console version. Dynamic foilage, far more foilage beats not having tesselation on a few objects. If they went for 30fps they could of maxed everything instead it hits a avg fps of 55fps. If you didnt say a 7850 would outperfom it then why the **** are you here? This is about $550 dollar pcs beating the PS4 nobody is saying the PS4 is gonna beat every pc.

Whats Ironic though is for $200 more a PS4 offers a far larger leap over a PS3 then any pc will offer over a PS4. Which is why the diffrences in pc gaming are just about worthless.

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#247  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@AM-Gamer said:

@04dcarraher said:

@AM-Gamer said:

@04dcarraher: god your a fool. Yes the PC version is running full blown tress FX that happens to look far worse then the console version. Last gen you called all the same BS. "Buh buh teh cell , buh buh ten lack of memory. Yet it still stomped any pc with a 6 or 7 series after 2 years. Buh buh teh drivers. Lmao

i don't deny there are current GPUs that will always outperform a PS4 but a 7850 isn't one of them nor will any of the pcs in that article.

im the fool? lol HAHAHHAHHA ! what a joke and your posts are a joke go cry some more that the PS4 is junk before it even came out.

the PS4 version does not look better O wait its your fanboy goggles that's right....

again your hanging onto the past that old based tech was beaten by newer tech how neat! geforce 6 & 7 used old methods and design. but but im too blind to see that fact.....

never said 7850 would outright outperform PS4 but it would be on par but PS4 wont out pace a 7870 sorry.

O by the way

"A direct comparison with the PC version set to the ultimate quality preset reveals some large discrepancies between the Definitive Editions compared with the full-fat PC experience. Aspects such as tessellation are missing on the characters and environments, with some of these elements appearing more blocky on the PS4 and Xbox One as a result. Meanwhile, motion blur is used much more sparingly, while texture resolution is noticeably lower in some cases. On the flip side, all the Definitive Edition graphical extras - such as the dynamic foliage and the impressive sub-surface scattering - are absent from the PC, which represents another (albeit smaller) compromise."

fact is the PS4 overall looks worse then Pc version , just because someone got an face lift does not change the fact PS4 had to do compromises to make it run.

Joke of a post everything I said is true and you are doing the same butthurt routine you did 5 years ago. Yes the PS4 version does look better in many more ways then the pc looks better then the console version. Dynamic foilage, far more foilage beats not having tesselation on a few objects. If they went for 30fps they could of maxed everything instead it hits a avg fps of 55fps. If you didnt say a 7850 would outperfom it then why the **** are you here? This is about $550 dollar pcs beating the PS4 nobody is saying the PS4 is gonna beat every pc.

Whats Ironic though is for $200 more a PS4 offers a far larger leap over a PS3 then any pc will offer over a PS4. Which is why the diffrences in pc gaming are just about worthless.

Your posts are true? HA! that's the joke

its funny you think im was butt hurt 5 years ago when I was running a pc with 8800GT's in SLI...... and had a 360 and PS3..... O really? if the PS4 version looked better then Pc version then reviewers would have said so not some sony fanboy thinks so just to try to prove a single point but ignores the worse textures little to no SSAO, no tessellation. etc and the framerate on PS4 is inconsistent only averaging 40-45 fps, dipping from 50's to 30's to 40's cause so many fun issues!. it does not have an average of 55 fps lol...

7850 can be overclocked that's one key point, unless your running plain jane 7850 no it cant outperform the PS4's gpu by itself. However the lack of cpu power for the PS4 cpu can hurt the PS4's gpu's abilities. meaning if a PC has a stronger cpu and a 7850 can perform better overall. just like in BF4 64 player MP

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#248 Prawephet
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@Sophette: they alway neglect to say these cheap ass rigs will blow through their $20 power supplies every week. I like how TC also deletes the OS. That's kind if a necessary component to a PC...

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#249 CrownKingArthur
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@CrownKingArthur: don't you need an already existing PC for that?

i got a laptop for that. or my work pc. or a friends/family members.

i always have at least one existing working pc.

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#250  Edited By CDWJUSTIN
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id rather have a ps3