Gabe Newell - AppleTV is Steam Box's Biggest Threat, NOT Consoles

Apple's on the way out, the jobs magic isn't there anymore and people are not buying the bullsh1t.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Maybe. They don't negate each other however. Wanting an iPhone does not stop a kid from wanting a WiiU (or whatever), and vice-versa. It comes down to a matter of what the parents (or the teens, assuming they already have their own money) want to pay for :P A phone is more useful than any console so I can see it winning against almost any other product really. A tablet? So-so. To some I can see it being more important, to some I can see it being less. But if we go down this path we won't come to any worthwhile conclusion :P

Desmonic

But if we want to go down that road, not only Apple is a problem but also any major phone company (the ones that do have an impact worldwide that is), any major tablet producer (Apple included obviously), etc. There are many, many products that triumph over any given console, just by either being much more useful (phones) or just being actually needed (even clothes can easily beat a console :P ). So if we really want to go down that path, we will need to include a ton of other companies/products to Nintendo's, Sony's and MS's problems (and even Apple's problems as well).

As far as home consoles go though, we can't really say either company is (so far) in direct competition or causing problems to each other. 

We could do so in tablet department though, and Apple certainly made more than just a dent to the handheld gaming scene, 3DS has been the exception more than the rule. If Apple came out with a variation of their iPad (or even a new tablet altogether) just dedicated to gaming (by this I mean strong hardware and just a basic version of the iOS to concentrate all resources into the games) even the 3DS would be in deep trouble. We both know it would sell like crazy since Apple knows how to advertise and hype their products better than almost anyone.

Apple is not doing well regarding smartphones ans tablets. They are loosing the war because of their closes OS and money grabbing approach vs Android.

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I don´t care about that. Steam boxes wont compete against gaming PCs, but will complement them, because both Steam and PC will share a common gaming platform, Steam. So there wont be stupid exclusivity regarding games. Desktop PCs will be able to play everything steam boxes have to offer. Finally PCs and consoles will be coexisting and not competing with each other.

I love Mac and his normal reply of kids want idevices for Christmas, when according to Buzz marketing they are losing there cool with teens http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2013/01/09/is-apples-iphone-no-longer-cool-to-teens/Duckyindiana

Apple's on the way out, the jobs magic isn't there anymore and people are not buying the bullsh1t.

ReadingRainbow4

[QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]I love Mac and his normal reply of kids want idevices for Christmas, when according to Buzz marketing they are losing there cool with teens http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2013/01/09/is-apples-iphone-no-longer-cool-to-teens/musicalmac

Apple's on the way out, the jobs magic isn't there anymore and people are not buying the bullsh1t.

ReadingRainbow4

Except it's not.

Atleast apple can go into clean energy when the deck of cards comes tumbling down, The spinning jobs must be making in his grave is enough to power the whole of Nevada.

Except it's not.

Atleast apple can go into clean energy when the deck of cards comes tumbling down, The spinning jobs must be making in his grave is enough to power the whole of Nevada.

ReadingRainbow4

Meh. Don't care about anything Apple does unless they take over everything and I essentially have no choice but to buy their products.

I have an Apple TV but I've never used it to play games.RyanShazam

Honestly, until this thread, I didnt know you could play games on it. I never used it for that!

I just looked up AppleTV since I had no idea what it is and if that is what Valve is shooting for then Valve's iteration will be much more appealing to me since iTunes is trash and I have stopped using it entirely since it gets worse and worse after each update. I would have no interest whatsoever to play mobile games on a TV so the fact that the Steambox has actual games that I would want to play and have already invested in makes the AppleTV obsolete.

BPoole96

Airplay is what made AppleTV relevant. Look on page #1 of this thread, and you can see how I am using it. It's pretty cool.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]I have an Apple TV but I've never used it to play games.StormyJoe

Honestly, until this thread, I didnt know you could play games on it. I never used it for that!

It's not designed for playing games. It allows Apple devices to use a TV as the primary display. it could be used for games on iOS devices or just plain OSX and apps on a Mac.

[QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]I love Mac and his normal reply of kids want idevices for Christmas, when according to Buzz marketing they are losing there cool with teens http://www.forbes.com/sites/larissafaw/2013/01/09/is-apples-iphone-no-longer-cool-to-teens/musicalmac

Apple's on the way out, the jobs magic isn't there anymore and people are not buying the bullsh1t.

ReadingRainbow4

[QUOTE="osirisx3"]causal box comfrimedjhonMalcovich

I don´t care about that. Steam boxes wont compete against gaming PCs, but will complement them, because both Steam and PC will share a common gaming platform, Steam. So there wont be stupid exclusivity regarding games. Desktop PCs will be able to play everything steam boxes have to offer. Finally PCs and consoles will be coexisting and not competing with each other.

And what point did I claim that they would not buy idevices I was pointing out that teens think they are losing there cool image, and do you ever think for your self before moaning about what others contribute. You come across as nothing but one big Apple ad!

Duckyindiana

[QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]

And what point did I claim that they would not buy idevices I was pointing out that teens think they are losing there cool image, and do you ever think for your self before moaning about what others contribute. You come across as nothing but one big Apple ad!

musicalmac

[QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]

And what point did I claim that they would not buy idevices I was pointing out that teens think they are losing there cool image, and do you ever think for your self before moaning about what others contribute. You come across as nothing but one big Apple ad!

musicalmac

The main issue here is that it's not so much a hate for apple, but that there are companies out there that do what they do better, and at a much cheaper price.

[QUOTE="RyanShazam"]I have an Apple TV but I've never used it to play games.StormyJoe

Honestly, until this thread, I didnt know you could play games on it. I never used it for that!

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]

And what point did I claim that they would not buy idevices I was pointing out that teens think they are losing there cool image, and do you ever think for your self before moaning about what others contribute. You come across as nothing but one big Apple ad!

ReadingRainbow4

The main issue here is that it's not so much a hate for apple, but that there are companies out there that do what they do better, and at a much cheaper price.

Except there isn't. Not one smartphone manufacturer matches the build quality when it comes to the iphone.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"] So you wanted to make sure we knew that teens weren't as excited about Apple as they were in the past...? For what purpose? You can say I sound like an ad all day long, but it's you who is guilty of letting personal bias effect behavior. Have you ever really examined why you so strongly dislike a company that makes consumer-focused technology?RR360DD

The main issue here is that it's not so much a hate for apple, but that there are companies out there that do what they do better, and at a much cheaper price.

Except there isn't. Not one smartphone manufacturer matches the build quality when it comes to the iphone.

You mean the build quality that renders my iPhone 4 almost unusable as a phone because of the aerial? They do make great products but they are just as prone to mistakes as other manufacturers (there are lists of faults if you would bother to google them).

The main issue here is that it's not so much a hate for apple, but that there are companies out there that do what they do better, and at a much cheaper price.

ReadingRainbow4

I don't strongly dislike them I own an ipod touch and use it most days I just can't stand the way they do things at times and how some people fall head over heels for a company that likes to rip them off!Duckyindiana

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

The main issue here is that it's not so much a hate for apple, but that there are companies out there that do what they do better, and at a much cheaper price.

musicalmac

I don't strongly dislike them I own an ipod touch and use it most days I just can't stand the way they do things at times and how some people fall head over heels for a company that likes to rip them off!Duckyindiana

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

Apple TV may be the most sucessful gaming platform with the worst line up of games. iOS games are light years behind what's available on Steam. And Apple has absolutely no first-party talent.

StormyJoe

I think what he is saying is that if AppleTV (and it's future competitors) take of, then the idea of having a PC running your living room will go bye-bye; esentially limiting things like SteamBox to being "just another pre-built PC".

The games, I think he is assuming, will come with popularity of the platform.

[QUOTE="StormyJoe"]

[QUOTE="PinkiePirate"]

Apple TV may be the most sucessful gaming platform with the worst line up of games. iOS games are light years behind what's available on Steam. And Apple has absolutely no first-party talent.

PinkiePirate

I think what he is saying is that if AppleTV (and it's future competitors) take of, then the idea of having a PC running your living room will go bye-bye; esentially limiting things like SteamBox to being "just another pre-built PC".

The games, I think he is assuming, will come with popularity of the platform.

Well, if I am understanding this correctly, SteamBox is supposed to be some kind of a gaming and media hub. It's a specialized PC that you can connect to your TV and play games - but since it is also a PC, you can do all of your streaming, surfing, etc from your SteamBox.

Given that...

AppleTV is a device that is a little bigger than a deck of cards that costs $99. With it (and AirPlay) you can wirelessly stream audio and video to your tv from any device that supports AirPlay: phones, tablets, computers, etc. It also has all the streaming sites available for use.

I believe what he was getting at is that if AppleTV takes off (as the new version with AirPlay is starting to), and the inevitable "clones" come to market, they could make a media PC irrelevent.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"] If you're going to say nothing you could just refrain from posting. [QUOTE="Duckyindiana"]I don't strongly dislike them I own an ipod touch and use it most days I just can't stand the way they do things at times and how some people fall head over heels for a company that likes to rip them off!ReadingRainbow4

so its confirmed to be sh!t then if they fear apple tv? :lol:campzor

[QUOTE="clyde46"]I don't see the connection with Apple, unless Steam starts offering TV and movies. musicalmac

Yes , the only problem is those games are low end titles that cost no more then $6.99.  If you like games like Skyrim, AC, GoW, Halo, Uncharted etc apple tv is not going to be the path you will take.  Its funny to me that somehow people think a tv with a pricetag of probaly more then $2,000 and nothing but casual trash is going to threaten the console industry. 

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"] So you wanted to make sure we knew that teens weren't as excited about Apple as they were in the past...? For what purpose? You can say I sound like an ad all day long, but it's you who is guilty of letting personal bias effect behavior. Have you ever really examined why you so strongly dislike a company that makes consumer-focused technology?RR360DD

The main issue here is that it's not so much a hate for apple, but that there are companies out there that do what they do better, and at a much cheaper price.

Except there isn't. Not one smartphone manufacturer matches the build quality when it comes to the iphone.

Untill the Xperia Z is released that is. 

I actually have never seen an Apple TV in real life. Always heard about it on iTunes, but never seen it.funsohng

I've seen one :P

I'm in and out of 2-3 houses a day, and I saw my first the other month.

[QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

How many people out there interested in Apple TV?

clyde46

Not if there price is  beyond the casual consumer, and to stay with the preimum brand recgonition in the tv market you are going to have to go $2,000 dollars are higher and that is far beyond there average consumer. 

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="clyde46"]I don't see the connection with Apple, unless Steam starts offering TV and movies. AM-Gamer

Yes , the only problem is those games are low end titles that cost no more then $6.99.  If you like games like Skyrim, AC, GoW, Halo, Uncharted etc apple tv is not going to be the path you will take.  Its funny to me that somehow people think a tv with a pricetag of probaly more then $2,000 and nothing but casual trash is going to threaten the console industry. 

Huh? its $99. And just because the games are cheap doesn't make them low end.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="FireEmblem_Man"]

How many people out there interested in Apple TV?

AM-Gamer

Not if there price is  beyond the casual consumer, and to stay with the preimum brand recgonition in the tv market you are going to have to go $2,000 dollars are higher and that is far beyond there average consumer. 

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipod/family/apple_tv

I always saw Apple and Valve as similair companies. Well at least with DD.

There's an Apple TV?

Thefatness16

I thought Gabe's biggest fear is the number 3?

[QUOTE="Thefatness16"]

There's an Apple TV?

Primordialous

Not an actual TV:

I don't know anyone, even online, that uses AppleTV. In fact, what exactly does it do?

Apple's innovations killed the legacy PC, MP3 players, and 1-trick phones. It's only a matter of time before consoles become dead due to Apple's continuous expansions. Fat Gabe clearly understands this.

If apple is the biggest threat then there won't be much of a fight.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="musicalmac"] Except that every game you play on your idevice can be wirelessly streamed to your AppleTV and played on your HDTV. Some games have native support and allow you to use the idevice as a steering wheel or a controller.RR360DD

Yes , the only problem is those games are low end titles that cost no more then $6.99.  If you like games like Skyrim, AC, GoW, Halo, Uncharted etc apple tv is not going to be the path you will take.  Its funny to me that somehow people think a tv with a pricetag of probaly more then $2,000 and nothing but casual trash is going to threaten the console industry. 

Huh? its $99. And just because the games are cheap doesn't make them low end.

Im pretty sure thats not what hes talking about as its been out awhile and hasn't sold that well. And yes the games you get on the app store are garbage in comparison to any major retail console game.

I don't know anyone, even online, that uses AppleTV. In fact, what exactly does it do?

ChubbyGuy40

AppleTV is a device that serves two purposes:

1. It is a device that you can use to stream content to your TV from a PC, Tablet, Smartphone, etc. That uses Apple's new content streaming process called AirPlay (works through your home network's WiFi).
2. It is a device that allows the user to connect to iTunes "channels" (similar to OnDemand from Comcast or Hulu Plus), stream Netflix, Hulu etc. o your TV. Some of those services have versions for AppleTV (Netflix and iTunes, for instance), so you can watch them in 1080p.

What I mainly use if for is Airplay. I have my AppleTV's audio out going through an optical cable to my receiver, and the video out through HDMI (again, through my receiver). So, when I have guests over (I entertain a lot), I can put sports or whatever on the TV; and with my receiver, change the audio source from HDMI to the same optical in my AppleTV uses. What that lets me do is use my iPad as a wireless "jukebox", and play songs through my sterio system while letting people watch TV.

Also, I can then use Airplay when I switch over to AppleTV and stream music videos from my computers or iPad to my TV.

You can read about it here: http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_ipod/family/apple_tv