Future of this gen depends on Xbone's day 1 sales numers

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#1 Posted by BattlefieldFan1 (846 posts) -

The direction of this new generation will depend on the Day 1 sales numbers for the Xbone. In just a few more days, the future direction of this generation and every subsequent generation will be revealed.

If the Xbone sells less than 500,000 worldwide on Nov 22nd, you can bet your ass that SONY will engulf 90+% of the console marketshare and will be the console that every 3rd party will cater to. I expect lots of 3rd party multiplats to go exclusive. I expect KH3, FFXV, and MGS V to become PS exclusives again if the sales are too lopsided.

However, even more pressing than 3rd party exclusives is the fact that SONY will never lose their King of All Games crown ever again.

#2 Posted by psymon100 (6138 posts) -

why is it so dependant on microsoft? are they the best or something?

#3 Edited by Suppaman100 (3906 posts) -

It's clear, Xbone has no chance to beat the PS4.

1 mil+ in 24hrs in the market where they lost most...

Playstation domination confirmed

#4 Edited by BattlefieldFan1 (846 posts) -

@psymon100 said:

why is it so dependant on microsoft? are they the best or something?

Because if they amount of units they sell is too low, then SONY will get back all of the 3rd party exclusives they've lost in the previous gen. And all the hermits who are laughing at the "console peasants" fighting it out, you guys should be worried as well. If the PS4 conquers over 90+% of the marketshare, 3rd party AAA multiplats won't develop for the PC.

If that happens, everyone will be gaming on the PS4 and all of those gamers will be invested in the PS ecosystem. This could be it for Microsoft.

#5 Posted by mems_1224 (47125 posts) -

lol its a marathon, not a sprint. launch day is irrelevant.

#6 Posted by BattlefieldFan1 (846 posts) -

@mems_1224 said:

lol its a marathon, not a sprint. launch day is irrelevant.

Funny you say this, yet you and I both know Microsoft doesn't support their products after 2-3 years.

#7 Posted by lundy86_4 (43405 posts) -

More assumptions? It was pretty hilarious that your last thread was locked. Too bad, so sad.

#8 Posted by psymon100 (6138 posts) -

@BattlefieldFan1 said:

@psymon100 said:

why is it so dependant on microsoft? are they the best or something?

Because if they amount of units they sell is too low, then SONY will get back all of the 3rd party exclusives they've lost in the previous gen.

If that happens, everyone will be gaming on the PS4 and all of those gamers will be invested in the PS ecosystem. This could be it for Microsoft.

is sony's success contingent on microsoft failing?

#9 Posted by che5ter666 (674 posts) -

@BattlefieldFan1: know this for a fact do you? You do know that multiplats mean more money for devs. I don't think they care what system their games are on.

#10 Posted by Suppaman100 (3906 posts) -

@mems_1224 said:

lol its a marathon, not a sprint. launch day is irrelevant.

Indeed, that's why PS4 will also end with the best gaming library.

#11 Posted by BattlefieldFan1 (846 posts) -

@psymon100 said:

@BattlefieldFan1 said:

@psymon100 said:

why is it so dependant on microsoft? are they the best or something?

Because if they amount of units they sell is too low, then SONY will get back all of the 3rd party exclusives they've lost in the previous gen.

If that happens, everyone will be gaming on the PS4 and all of those gamers will be invested in the PS ecosystem. This could be it for Microsoft.

is sony's success contingent on microsoft failing?

Yup.

#12 Posted by mems_1224 (47125 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

@mems_1224 said:

lol its a marathon, not a sprint. launch day is irrelevant.

Indeed, that's why PS4 will also end with the best gaming library.

mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

#13 Posted by tdkmillsy (1361 posts) -

Both consoles will see out, so it comes down to who produce more. If Microsoft have produced less, they have the funds to keep multipats until there is enough on the market.

Although 1st day sales are good on PS4, it means nothing in the whole scale of things. There are a million and one things Microsoft could do if the sales where going to be that bad. The fact they haven't shows they are not concerned at the current rate of presales/expected sales.

Your post I way short sighted at best. Its a marathon not a sprint as they say.

#14 Posted by Tessellation (8803 posts) -

more bandodging threads.

#15 Posted by BattlefieldFan1 (846 posts) -

@che5ter666 said:

@BattlefieldFan1: know this for a fact do you? You do know that multiplats mean more money for devs. I don't think they care what system their games are on.

That's because the marketshare was even last get. Do you know for sure that the marketshare for this gen will be even?

I don't know. I expect SONY to have 90+%, but that's just my guess, which is why everything will depend on how the Xbone performs on the 22nd of November.

Also, multiplats do not mean more money for devs.

The PS4 will have all the core gamers - the people who actually buy 12+ games yearly - as well as the casual market. Furthermore, the Xbone is difficult to dev for, meaning 3rd parties are wasting lots of resources to cater to 10% of the population who probably won't even buy their games.

Multiplats mean more revenue, but it does not mean more profits.

#16 Edited by GhoX (5005 posts) -
@Suppaman100 said:

Playstation domination confirmed

It's funny that people actually think that this is a good thing. Having any single supplier "dominate" will simply spell an age of depression for the gaming industry. The only exception is perhaps PC, but that's because PC hardware has more component/prebuild suppliers than consoles have first party devs; even if PC dominates competition will still persist. The same cannot be said if a close-platform console supplied by a single giant company dominates the market.

The handheld industry could have gone very badly when PS Vita failed and 3DS remained. However, thanks to the existence of countless mobile games, 3DS still has to think about competing instead of just milking cash from customers.

#17 Posted by Suppaman100 (3906 posts) -

@mems_1224 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@mems_1224 said:

lol its a marathon, not a sprint. launch day is irrelevant.

Indeed, that's why PS4 will also end with the best gaming library.

mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Look at the facts. PS1, PS2 and PS3 had the best libraries of their respective generation.

We all know you're a butthurt lem though so pls enjoy the PS domination continuation.

#18 Posted by mems_1224 (47125 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

@mems_1224 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@mems_1224 said:

lol its a marathon, not a sprint. launch day is irrelevant.

Indeed, that's why PS4 will also end with the best gaming library.

mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Look at the facts. PS1, PS2 and PS3 had the best libraries of their respective generation.

We all know you're a butthurt lem though so pls enjoy the PS domination continuation.

moooooooooooooooooooooooo

#19 Posted by TheRealBigRich (733 posts) -

how could getting your game to more people possible not mean more money that sounds dumb as hell.if it was that hard to develop for then why do it in the first place...Money

#20 Posted by BattlefieldFan1 (846 posts) -

@GhoX said:
@Suppaman100 said:

Playstation domination confirmed

It's funny that people actually think that this is a good thing. Having any single supplier "dominate" will simply spell an age of depression for the gaming industry. The only exception is perhaps PC, but that's because PC hardware has more component/prebuild suppliers than consoles have first party devs; even if PC dominates competition will still persist. The same cannot be said if a close-platform console supplied by a single giant company dominates the market.

The handheld industry could have gone very badly when PS Vita failed and 3DS remained. However, thanks to the existence of countless mobile games, 3DS still has to think about competing instead of just milking cash from customers.

Think again.

No more CoD on the PC. No more Assassin's Creed on the PC. No more Battlefield on the PC. No MGS V on the PC. No more GTA on the PC. The list goes on. 3rd parties will make more in profit by developing for just the PS4 if the PS4 dominated the market.

#21 Edited by che5ter666 (674 posts) -

@BattlefieldFan1: I'm sorry. But your post is so opinionated. Looking back at the first incarnation of the Xbox, PS2 was light years ahead of the Xbox and still had major 3rd party support. I'm getting the XBox One and buy ludicrous amounts of games a year, so are all my mates.

90% is laughable even if Microsoft has a disastrous launch.

#22 Edited by Bruin1986 (1281 posts) -

@BattlefieldFan1 said:

@che5ter666 said:

@BattlefieldFan1: know this for a fact do you? You do know that multiplats mean more money for devs. I don't think they care what system their games are on.

That's because the marketshare was even last get. Do you know for sure that the marketshare for this gen will be even?

I don't know. I expect SONY to have 90+%, but that's just my guess, which is why everything will depend on how the Xbone performs on the 22nd of November.

Also, multiplats do not mean more money for devs.

The PS4 will have all the core gamers - the people who actually buy 12+ games yearly - as well as the casual market. Furthermore, the Xbone is difficult to dev for, meaning 3rd parties are wasting lots of resources to cater to 10% of the population who probably won't even buy their games.

Multiplats mean more revenue, but it does not mean more profits.

Just for clarification...you actually expect Sony to have NINETY+ PERCENT of the console market for the new generation?

I just need to get a gauge for how delusional some posters on this forum are...

#23 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

No it bloody doesn't, that's dumb

#24 Edited by Suppaman100 (3906 posts) -

@GhoX said:
@Suppaman100 said:

Playstation domination confirmed

It's funny that people actually think that this is a good thing. Having any single supplier "dominate" will simply spell an age of depression for the gaming industry. The only exception is perhaps PC, but that's because PC hardware has more component/prebuild suppliers than consoles have first party devs; even if PC dominates competition will still persist. The same cannot be said if a close-platform console supplied by a single giant company dominates the market.

The handheld industry could have gone very badly when PS Vita failed and 3DS remained. However, thanks to the existence of countless mobile games, 3DS still has to think about competing instead of just milking cash from customers.

Depends on who's the competition though.

I don't find MS to be a good competitor, especially if you know they wanted to push DRM, 24hr check-ins,... And it looks like they're going after the casuals with kinect now.

MS should leave and concentrate on PC gaming and another party should enter the console race.

#25 Edited by BattlefieldFan1 (846 posts) -

@TheRealBigRich said:

how could getting your game to more people possible not mean more money that sounds dumb as hell.if it was that hard to develop for then why do it in the first place...Money

Because 3rd parties didn't expect the Xbone to flop this much... Why else do you think EA signed an exclusive deal with MS? You can bet your ballsack that if EA knew beforehand that the PS4 would get 1+ million sales in NA within 24 hours while the Xbone got less than 200,000 world-wide, they'd bendover and get raided by all of SONY's execs to get an exclusive deal with them.

Again, only 10% of the market and those 10% aren't core gamers. The amount of manpower it takes to dev for the Xbone costs tons of money, which won't be recuperated with sales since no one on the Xbone bought your game...

#26 Posted by Suppaman100 (3906 posts) -

@mems_1224 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@mems_1224 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@mems_1224 said:

lol its a marathon, not a sprint. launch day is irrelevant.

Indeed, that's why PS4 will also end with the best gaming library.

mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Look at the facts. PS1, PS2 and PS3 had the best libraries of their respective generation.

We all know you're a butthurt lem though so pls enjoy the PS domination continuation.

moooooooooooooooooooooooo

Stop crying mems! LOL

#27 Posted by mems_1224 (47125 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

@mems_1224 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@mems_1224 said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@mems_1224 said:

lol its a marathon, not a sprint. launch day is irrelevant.

Indeed, that's why PS4 will also end with the best gaming library.

mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Look at the facts. PS1, PS2 and PS3 had the best libraries of their respective generation.

We all know you're a butthurt lem though so pls enjoy the PS domination continuation.

moooooooooooooooooooooooo

Stop crying mems! LOL

moo

#28 Edited by Jakandsigz (4512 posts) -

@BattlefieldFan1 said:

@mems_1224 said:

lol its a marathon, not a sprint. launch day is irrelevant.

Funny you say this, yet you and I both know Microsoft doesn't support their products after 2-3 years.

Wow there were no Xbox 360 games in 2008 and 2009 and 2010?

Wow there were no Xbox games in 2004 and 2005, and 2006?

I mean at least try not to overdose on you mental medication.

#29 Posted by che5ter666 (674 posts) -

@Jakandsigz: exactly. Microsoft are still supporting the 360 at the minute. That's well over 5 years!

#30 Posted by TheRealBigRich (733 posts) -

this is based of your assumptions and 200k is laughable so lets get that out the way. So lets say the do only sale 200k first day that's still games that will be sold and money that will be made

#31 Posted by Murderstyle75 (4165 posts) -

@GhoX: So would you call the domination of both the PS1 and PS2 a depression?

#32 Posted by _Matt_ (8911 posts) -

@mems_1224 said:

lol its a marathon, not a sprint. launch day is irrelevant.

Why did this thread continue after this reply?

#33 Posted by BattlefieldFan1 (846 posts) -

@TheRealBigRich said:

this is based of your assumptions and 200k is laughable so lets get that out the way. So lets say the do only sale 200k first day that's still games that will be sold and money that will be made

Unless you haven't noticed, I was throwing out hypothetical scenarios that are within the realm of possibility. If you read articles interviewing devs, you'd know that it took 2 people to port games from the PC to the PS4. Wonder how many people it took to get the game from the PC to the Xbone and optimize it for acceptable performance. I'm willing to bet 90% of the programmers in the company. Programmers aren't cheap either. Just think about it. If the PS4 engulfs 90% of the market, companies can fire 90% of their coders and dev team. That will free up a TON of dev costs.

True, they may not be able to get a small 1% revenue by selling to ultra casuals on the Xbone, but they'd more than make it up by firing most of their dev team and getting a slightly smaller revenue. That means higher profit.

#34 Edited by che5ter666 (674 posts) -

@_Matt_ said:

@mems_1224 said:

lol its a marathon, not a sprint. launch day is irrelevant.

Why did this thread continue after this reply?

Beats me. We even had comments saying Sony are going to control 90% of the market share.

#35 Posted by adamosmaki (9616 posts) -

@BattlefieldFan1 said:

@psymon100 said:

why is it so dependant on microsoft? are they the best or something?

Because if they amount of units they sell is too low, then SONY will get back all of the 3rd party exclusives they've lost in the previous gen. And all the hermits who are laughing at the "console peasants" fighting it out, you guys should be worried as well. If the PS4 conquers over 90+% of the marketshare, 3rd party AAA multiplats won't develop for the PC.

If that happens, everyone will be gaming on the PS4 and all of those gamers will be invested in the PS ecosystem. This could be it for Microsoft.

So let me see. You actually think if X1 fails the developers are gonna start catering to PS4 only and abandon PC ? In other words if they loose xbox market they are gonna abandon a 2nd market in this case pc to develop just for 1 console ( and a console which is gonna take a couple of years to have a good install base that is ) . Yeap your logic sounds quite stupid i might say

#36 Posted by jsmoke03 (12897 posts) -

not even close bro.

#37 Edited by bobbetybob (19270 posts) -

Your reasoning is stupid. Unless the Xbox One sells a pitiful amount it's still going to get support. Most games cost far too much for developers to only put them on one console and nobody is going to sniff at like 50 million Xbox Ones even if the PS4 had 100 million sold.

#38 Edited by lamprey263 (23871 posts) -

I think they should have a healthy launch considering that no bad press hinders it, they have a good looking launch line-up, and an impressive looking machine. They'll be lifting review embargoes through the week so hopefully this helps build a few days of increased anticipation right before launch.

I think consumer buzz is what will help the consoles out post launch. Right now PS4 gamers (as they claim) seem to be too busy playing their awesome exclusive to come online and say positive things about the system. The buzz seemed stronger for the system before launch then after. I think the success between the two will come down to post launch buzz. Whether MS does great I think depends on the consumer word of mouth (and internet) buzz that follows the launch.

#39 Posted by BattlefieldFan1 (846 posts) -

@bobbetybob said:

Your reasoning is stupid. Unless the Xbox One sells a pitiful amount it's still going to get support. Most games cost far too much for developers to only put them on one console and nobody is going to sniff at like 50 million Xbox Ones even if the PS4 had 100 million sold.

hehehe... Implying the Xbone will even get above 15 million lifetime.

#40 Posted by _Matt_ (8911 posts) -

@che5ter666 said:

@_Matt_ said:

@mems_1224 said:

lol its a marathon, not a sprint. launch day is irrelevant.

Why did this thread continue after this reply?

Beats me. We even had comments saying Sony are going to control 90% of the market share.

Haha well I didn't even bother reading any further comments after Mems' post. 90%? pfft, 40%? perhaps.

#41 Posted by JoPython52 (24 posts) -

@tdkmillsy said:

Both consoles will see out, so it comes down to who produce more. If Microsoft have produced less, they have the funds to keep multipats until there is enough on the market.

Although 1st day sales are good on PS4, it means nothing in the whole scale of things. There are a million and one things Microsoft could do if the sales where going to be that bad. The fact they haven't shows they are not concerned at the current rate of presales/expected sales.

Your post I way short sighted at best. Its a marathon not a sprint as they say.

I am sure Nintendo feels the same.

#42 Posted by che5ter666 (674 posts) -

@BattlefieldFan1 said:

@bobbetybob said:

Your reasoning is stupid. Unless the Xbox One sells a pitiful amount it's still going to get support. Most games cost far too much for developers to only put them on one console and nobody is going to sniff at like 50 million Xbox Ones even if the PS4 had 100 million sold.

hehehe... Implying the Xbone will even get above 15 million lifetime.

Lol! 360 has sold around 78 mil so far. What are you on?

#43 Posted by lglz1337 (3726 posts) -

@BattlefieldFan1: LOL you ownedhim there

#44 Posted by kingoflife9 (1987 posts) -

who gives a shit, my enjoyment of a console doesn't depend on other people buying it. A million people fell for the hype of the ps4 and got rewarded with no games and broken consoles that wobble.

#45 Posted by TheRealBigRich (733 posts) -

@BattlefieldFan1 said:

@bobbetybob said:

Your reasoning is stupid. Unless the Xbox One sells a pitiful amount it's still going to get support. Most games cost far too much for developers to only put them on one console and nobody is going to sniff at like 50 million Xbox Ones even if the PS4 had 100 million sold.

hehehe... Implying the Xbone will even get above 15 million lifetime.

at the very worst it will be 2:1 lifetime which would mean something like 100 million ps4's vs 50 million X1's so they will do more than 15 million that's a given. Now 2:1 is based on the X1 always being a hundred dollars more which isn't very likely to happen so I think it will be closer than 2:1 in the end.

#46 Posted by TheRealBigRich (733 posts) -

@kingoflife9 said:

who gives a shit, my enjoyment of a console doesn't depend on other people buying it. A million people fell for the hype of the ps4 and got rewarded with no games and broken consoles that wobble.

apparently is does its like if the console you like to play on doesn't sell more than its closest competitor you would then be incapable of playing on that machine again ....Cow theory

#47 Posted by rjdofu (9170 posts) -

Anything can happen. Evidence: last gen.

#48 Posted by BattlefieldFan1 (846 posts) -

@TheRealBigRich said:

@kingoflife9 said:

who gives a shit, my enjoyment of a console doesn't depend on other people buying it. A million people fell for the hype of the ps4 and got rewarded with no games and broken consoles that wobble.

apparently is does its like if the console you like to play on doesn't sell more than its closest competitor you would then be incapable of playing on that machine again ....Cow theory

Moronic logic.

Sales disaster = no 3rd party support.

With the exception of Naughty Dog, 3rd party games > 1st party games.

#49 Edited by kingoflife9 (1987 posts) -

@BattlefieldFan1 said:

@TheRealBigRich said:

@kingoflife9 said:

who gives a shit, my enjoyment of a console doesn't depend on other people buying it. A million people fell for the hype of the ps4 and got rewarded with no games and broken consoles that wobble.

apparently is does its like if the console you like to play on doesn't sell more than its closest competitor you would then be incapable of playing on that machine again ....Cow theory

Moronic logic.

Sales disaster = no 3rd party support.

With the exception of Naughty Dog, 3rd party games > 1st party games.

The ps4 will sell more than the xbox one at least for the first few months, but does 4 million vs 3 million mean that 3 million is a disaster? NO. xbox will have the same exact 3rd party support as the ps4.

#50 Posted by Heil68 (44448 posts) -

Both Ps4 and Xbone will be fine.