Forza 5 high fidelity 1080p / 60fps vs Drive Club subpar fidelity + framerate

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#1 Posted by Mystery_Writer (7852 posts) -

Of course I'm happy that Forza is looking and performing well this early in the development, but just wondering how come Drive Club (according to DF report) is struggling to achieve such fidielity & smoothness when PS4 is supposed to be the more powerful console.

#2 Posted by Kinthalis (5250 posts) -

Of course I'm happy that Forza is looking and performing well this early in the development, but just wondering how come Drive Club (according to DF report) is struggling to achieve such fidielity & smoothness when PS4 is supposed to be the more powerful console.

Mystery_Writer

 

Forza was being shown runing on PC, that's why. Some PS4 games were also being shown on PC, but others were running on dev kits. So they are probably more representative of what you'll get on "next gen" consoles. The only thing the Xbox demo's show is how a  gmaing PC would run those games.

#3 Posted by Sweenix (5395 posts) -

Most of drive clubs budget went on leather padding for the seats

#4 Posted by call_of_duty_10 (4954 posts) -

Because Forza 5 graphics are garbage.

#5 Posted by Trail_Mix (2021 posts) -

 

Forza was being shown runing on PC, that's why. Some PS4 games were also being shown on PC, but others were running on dev kits. So they are probably more representative of what you'll get on "next gen" consoles. The only thing the Xbox demo's show is how a  gmaing PC would run those games.

Kinthalis

#6 Posted by HaRmLeSS_RaGe (1270 posts) -

It appears that $ony have been pedalling propaganda to their fans again :?

#7 Posted by freedomfreak (38131 posts) -
#8 Posted by sts106mat (18736 posts) -

[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

Of course I'm happy that Forza is looking and performing well this early in the development, but just wondering how come Drive Club (according to DF report) is struggling to achieve such fidielity & smoothness when PS4 is supposed to be the more powerful console.

Kinthalis

 

Forza was being shown runing on PC, that's why. Some PS4 games were also being shown on PC, but others were running on dev kits. So they are probably more representative of what you'll get on "next gen" consoles. The only thing the Xbox demo's show is how a  gmaing PC would run those games.

incorrect :-

And yes, there were some games that were - categorically, without a shadow of a doubt - running on Xbox One hardware. It'll come as little surprise to learn that first party software was more likely to be showcased running on the new console, with Turn 10's Forza Motorsport 5 the most high profile title we saw that was visibly operating on the actual unit.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-xbox-one

#9 Posted by RR360DD (11414 posts) -

[QUOTE="Mystery_Writer"]

Of course I'm happy that Forza is looking and performing well this early in the development, but just wondering how come Drive Club (according to DF report) is struggling to achieve such fidielity & smoothness when PS4 is supposed to be the more powerful console.

Kinthalis

 

Forza was being shown runing on PC, that's why. Some PS4 games were also being shown on PC, but others were running on dev kits. So they are probably more representative of what you'll get on "next gen" consoles. The only thing the Xbox demo's show is how a  gmaing PC would run those games.

Actually Forza 5 has been running on an Xbox dev kit. As has Ryse and KI.

#10 Posted by PAL360 (26559 posts) -

Because Forza 5 graphics are garbage.

call_of_duty_10

Forza 5 will probably be the best, and best looking, racing game on any system for the next couple of years. GT6 could compete, but for some stupid reason, PD isn't making it for PS4...

#11 Posted by Trail_Mix (2021 posts) -
incorrect :-

And yes, there were some games that were - categorically, without a shadow of a doubt - running on Xbox One hardware. It'll come as little surprise to learn that first party software was more likely to be showcased running on the new console, with Turn 10's Forza Motorsport 5 the most high profile title we saw that was visibly operating on the actual unit.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-hands-on-with-xbox-one

sts106mat
Well I'll be a monkey's uncle.
#12 Posted by call_of_duty_10 (4954 posts) -

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

Because Forza 5 graphics are garbage.

PAL360

Forza 5 will probably be the best, and best looking, racing game on any system for the next couple of years. GT6 could compete, but for some stupid reason, PD isn't making it for PS4...

No day night cycle and all that jazz.
#13 Posted by PAL360 (26559 posts) -

No day night cycle and all that jazz.call_of_duty_10

The lack of day/night cycle is disappointing, but everything will be asweome.

#14 Posted by Malta_1980 (11122 posts) -

I'm afraid Forza might be once again the reason i'll get an MS console :) 

Its such a great racing series that shouldnt be missed !!

#15 Posted by faizan_faizan (7655 posts) -
Thank you Sony for sub 30FPS.
#16 Posted by SecretPolice (21160 posts) -

FM5 1080P @ 60 fps confrimed running on NEO...

storm+thunder+lightning+night+sky+photo+

Cloud powah baby !!!

#17 Posted by RR360DD (11414 posts) -

Thank you Sony for sub 30FPS.faizan_faizan

Its all part of the Live, Love and Learn philosophy.

Cows will learn to enjoy 20FPS.

#18 Posted by ronvalencia (15109 posts) -

Of course I'm happy that Forza is looking and performing well this early in the development, but just wondering how come Drive Club (according to DF report) is struggling to achieve such fidielity & smoothness when PS4 is supposed to be the more powerful console.

Mystery_Writer

Turn10 has extensive experience with AMD GPUs. The cows shouldn't minimise the human factor.

#19 Posted by CanYouDiglt (7230 posts) -
Forza does look amazing but it is not shocking since Turn 10 always does amazing work and they clearly are top tier when it comes to racing.
#20 Posted by Heil68 (42552 posts) -
It has nothing to do with the games themselves and its all about the hardware? lol
#21 Posted by Heil68 (42552 posts) -

[QUOTE="faizan_faizan"]Thank you Sony for sub 30FPS.RR360DD

Its all part of the Live, Love and Learn philosophy.

Cows will learn to enjoy 20FPS.

#legendary. atta boy.
#22 Posted by IDuB7 (35 posts) -

Its impressive that no one even mentiones that DC is in the Pre Alpha STage and is only 35% finished. Thats what was written on the E3 Booth Demo and said by the Devs...

 

they even said that they are targeting 60 FPS

#23 Posted by bezza2011 (2193 posts) -

The only way that forza 5 could run at that was by using a high end pc, to simulate how the cloud will work in helping the game it is not a true reflection of how the game will look just running on xbox one.

These dev kits you talk of are pc's with high end graphics cards thank you very much.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Microsoft-Says-Windows-7-Nvidia-GTX-PCs-E3-Were-Xbox-One-Dev-Kits-56834.html

just incase no one wants to read he's the ending paragraph

"Regardless, Microsoft has spoken and if they say that Windows 7 PCs with Nvidia GTX cards are dev kits for the Xbox One, then they're dev kits for the Xbox One. Just don't expect Xbox One games to look remotely similar when they actually launch for the console, given that they were running on a card that costs more than the system itself and is more powerful than both the Xbox One and PS4 combined."

#24 Posted by Oil_Rope_Bombs (2671 posts) -
Who even cares about racing games? They're all crap.
#25 Posted by ShoulderOfOrion (3435 posts) -
Because the PS4 is barely more powerful and Turn 10 is a much better developer.
#26 Posted by bezza2011 (2193 posts) -

Because the PS4 is barely more powerful and Turn 10 is a much better developer.ShoulderOfOrion

It's actually a lot more powerful when it comes down to it, the only reason this is because microsoft were banking on the cloud as you had to be online really to get the benefits. but will see

#27 Posted by IDuB7 (35 posts) -

The only way that forza 5 could run at that was by using a high end pc, to simulate how the cloud will work in helping the game it is not a true reflection of how the game will look just running on xbox one.

These dev kits you talk of are pc's with high end graphics cards thank you very much.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Microsoft-Says-Windows-7-Nvidia-GTX-PCs-E3-Were-Xbox-One-Dev-Kits-56834.html

just incase no one wants to read he's the ending paragraph

"Regardless, Microsoft has spoken and if they say that Windows 7 PCs with Nvidia GTX cards are dev kits for the Xbox One, then they're dev kits for the Xbox One. Just don't expect Xbox One games to look remotely similar when they actually launch for the console, given that they were running on a card that costs more than the system itself and is more powerful than both the Xbox One and PS4 combined."

bezza2011

 

Thats pretty easy... a 7790 in a console can do way more than in a PC. And as they were using a PC withought the actual X1 architecture and the benefits of a closed console ( I doubt they have optimized that game for a random PC for E3), they just have to compensate the lack of the power with a stronger GPU in that PC. That means that the 7790 in the X1 can do much much more than in a PC and that means that its dumb to think that they are using a 7790 in a PC to show their games...

 

And please tell how LocoCycle needs a GTX 780... thats ridicilous

#28 Posted by ShoulderOfOrion (3435 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]Because the PS4 is barely more powerful and Turn 10 is a much better developer.bezza2011

It's actually a lot more powerful when it comes down to it, the only reason this is because microsoft were banking on the cloud as you had to be online really to get the benefits. but will see

Kojima said the difference in power is minimal. He's a PlayStation-centric developer.
#29 Posted by speedfreak48t5p (6118 posts) -
Who even cares about racing games? They're all crap.Oil_Rope_Bombs
Racing games are way more fun than those stealth and RPG games.
#30 Posted by Davekeeh (4019 posts) -

[QUOTE="bezza2011"]

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]Because the PS4 is barely more powerful and Turn 10 is a much better developer.ShoulderOfOrion

It's actually a lot more powerful when it comes down to it, the only reason this is because microsoft were banking on the cloud as you had to be online really to get the benefits. but will see

Kojima said the difference in power is minimal. He's a PlayStation-centric developer.


Specs don't lie, PS4 is alot more powerful

#31 Posted by CallOfDutyRulez (1616 posts) -

[QUOTE="bezza2011"]

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]Because the PS4 is barely more powerful and Turn 10 is a much better developer.ShoulderOfOrion

It's actually a lot more powerful when it comes down to it, the only reason this is because microsoft were banking on the cloud as you had to be online really to get the benefits. but will see

Kojima said the difference in power is minimal. He's a PlayStation-centric developer.

Kojima is an ideas guy, not a software developer. He doesn't know jackshit about Data Structures and things like Greedy Algorithms.

#32 Posted by CanYouDiglt (7230 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="bezza2011"]

It's actually a lot more powerful when it comes down to it, the only reason this is because microsoft were banking on the cloud as you had to be online really to get the benefits. but will see

Davekeeh

Kojima said the difference in power is minimal. He's a PlayStation-centric developer.


Specs don't lie, PS4 is alot more powerful

And all that massive power is really showing. How many 60 fps games does the PS4 have right now? I will wait for a answer.......no worry I am still waiting..........sigh still waiting.......please hurry up I do not want to wait for ever....(yawn) still waiting.

Digital Foundry can confirm 3 games on the X1 that are running with 60 fps 1080p and using the X1 hardware.

 

Hmm maybe that power difference will not be as big as you are hoping huh?

#33 Posted by ShoulderOfOrion (3435 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="bezza2011"]

It's actually a lot more powerful when it comes down to it, the only reason this is because microsoft were banking on the cloud as you had to be online really to get the benefits. but will see

Davekeeh

Kojima said the difference in power is minimal. He's a PlayStation-centric developer.


Specs don't lie, PS4 is alot more powerful

Specs don't lie, but Sony does. They've lied a lot over the years.
#34 Posted by casharmy (6813 posts) -

The only way that forza 5 could run at that was by using a high end pc, to simulate how the cloud will work in helping the game it is not a true reflection of how the game will look just running on xbox one.

These dev kits you talk of are pc's with high end graphics cards thank you very much.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Microsoft-Says-Windows-7-Nvidia-GTX-PCs-E3-Were-Xbox-One-Dev-Kits-56834.html

just incase no one wants to read he's the ending paragraph

"Regardless, Microsoft has spoken and if they say that Windows 7 PCs with Nvidia GTX cards are dev kits for the Xbox One, then they're dev kits for the Xbox One. Just don't expect Xbox One games to look remotely similar when they actually launch for the console, given that they were running on a card that costs more than the system itself and is more powerful than both the Xbox One and PS4 combined."

bezza2011

lol damn, wonder what the TC was thinking.  Its a fact that anything the x bone can do the PS4 could do much better graphically.  Lems find themselves hyping graphics from standard PC thinking it will beat PS4.  

After all this lems still haven't learned that everything MS showed about X1 was covered in lies

#35 Posted by sts106mat (18736 posts) -

[QUOTE="bezza2011"]

The only way that forza 5 could run at that was by using a high end pc, to simulate how the cloud will work in helping the game it is not a true reflection of how the game will look just running on xbox one.

These dev kits you talk of are pc's with high end graphics cards thank you very much.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Microsoft-Says-Windows-7-Nvidia-GTX-PCs-E3-Were-Xbox-One-Dev-Kits-56834.html

just incase no one wants to read he's the ending paragraph

"Regardless, Microsoft has spoken and if they say that Windows 7 PCs with Nvidia GTX cards are dev kits for the Xbox One, then they're dev kits for the Xbox One. Just don't expect Xbox One games to look remotely similar when they actually launch for the console, given that they were running on a card that costs more than the system itself and is more powerful than both the Xbox One and PS4 combined."

casharmy

lol damn, wonder what the TC was thinking.  Its a fact that anything the x bone can do the PS4 could do much better graphically.  Lems find themselves hyping graphics from standard PC thinking it will beat PS4.  

After all this lems still haven't learned that everything MS showed about X1 was covered in lies

not bothering to read the thread.....once again results in you looking like a brain dead tosser.
#36 Posted by Heil68 (42552 posts) -
[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] Kojima said the difference in power is minimal. He's a PlayStation-centric developer. ShoulderOfOrion


Specs don't lie, PS4 is alot more powerful

Specs don't lie, but Sony does. They've lied a lot over the years.

#37 Posted by casharmy (6813 posts) -

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] Kojima said the difference in power is minimal. He's a PlayStation-centric developer. ShoulderOfOrion


Specs don't lie, PS4 is alot more powerful

Specs don't lie, but Microsoft does. They've lied a lot over the years.

fixed.  

Don't know how you could have been so confused about who is who especially after E3, but I took care of that error for ya

#38 Posted by call_of_duty_10 (4954 posts) -
[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] Kojima said the difference in power is minimal. He's a PlayStation-centric developer. ShoulderOfOrion


Specs don't lie, PS4 is alot more powerful

Specs don't lie, but Sony does. They've lied a lot over the years.

Even if SONY lied at some point,I am sure their lies were beneficial for the industry and hence were in gamers' best interests.
#39 Posted by SecretPolice (21160 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="bezza2011"]

It's actually a lot more powerful when it comes down to it, the only reason this is because microsoft were banking on the cloud as you had to be online really to get the benefits. but will see

Davekeeh

Kojima said the difference in power is minimal. He's a PlayStation-centric developer.


Specs don't lie, PS4 is alot more powerful

Ya mean like 2006 and PS3 > 360 :shock: yeah, check the muliplats for proof :P

Not to mention, Halo 4, console king baby. :cool:

#40 Posted by pl4yer_f0und (964 posts) -

Because Turn 10 are masters at getting the most out of a console. I'm surprised at how good they got Forza looking on the 360, even though they were really hampered by the hardware. The only thing wrong with Forza 4's graphics was too much contrast and the lighting was wierd, but it looks like they fixed that this time around.

 

I just wish they would add more features to the game that improved the racing. Forza Motorsport hasn't really been about motorsport since FM2. I would love if they added pit strategy, qualifying, practice.

#41 Posted by CallOfDutyRulez (1616 posts) -

Because Turn 10 are masters at getting the most out of a console. I'm surprised at how good they got Forza looking on the 360, even though they were really hampered by the hardware. The only thing wrong with Forza 4's graphics was too much contrast and the lighting was wierd, but it looks like they fixed that this time around.

 

I just wish they would add more features to the game that improved the racing. Forza Motorsport hasn't really been about motorsport since FM2. I would love if they added pit strategy, qualifying, practice.

pl4yer_f0und

Static environments and prebaked lighting. That is all.

#42 Posted by ShoulderOfOrion (3435 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="Davekeeh"]
Specs don't lie, PS4 is alot more powerful

casharmy

Specs don't lie, but Microsoft does. They've lied a lot over the years.

fixed.  

Don't know how you could have been so confused about who is who especially after E3, but I took care of that error for ya

Microsoft came out and was honest about everything pertaining to DRM and all that stuff. Sony on the other hand tried to sneak past everyone the fact they're charging for online now.
#43 Posted by Douevenlift_bro (4991 posts) -

[QUOTE="bezza2011"]

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"]Because the PS4 is barely more powerful and Turn 10 is a much better developer.ShoulderOfOrion

It's actually a lot more powerful when it comes down to it, the only reason this is because microsoft were banking on the cloud as you had to be online really to get the benefits. but will see

Kojima said the difference in power is minimal. He's a PlayStation-centric developer.

He was talking about price dummy.

#44 Posted by HaRmLeSS_RaGe (1270 posts) -

Them lazy devs must be up to no good again :shock: :twisted:

#45 Posted by CanYouDiglt (7230 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"][QUOTE="Davekeeh"]
Specs don't lie, PS4 is alot more powerfulcall_of_duty_10
Specs don't lie, but Sony does. They've lied a lot over the years.

Even if SONY lied at some point,I am sure their lies were beneficial for the industry and hence were in gamers' best interests.

 .
#46 Posted by casharmy (6813 posts) -

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

[QUOTE="bezza2011"]

The only way that forza 5 could run at that was by using a high end pc, to simulate how the cloud will work in helping the game it is not a true reflection of how the game will look just running on xbox one.

These dev kits you talk of are pc's with high end graphics cards thank you very much.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Microsoft-Says-Windows-7-Nvidia-GTX-PCs-E3-Were-Xbox-One-Dev-Kits-56834.html

just incase no one wants to read he's the ending paragraph

"Regardless, Microsoft has spoken and if they say that Windows 7 PCs with Nvidia GTX cards are dev kits for the Xbox One, then they're dev kits for the Xbox One. Just don't expect Xbox One games to look remotely similar when they actually launch for the console, given that they were running on a card that costs more than the system itself and is more powerful than both the Xbox One and PS4 combined."

sts106mat

lol damn, wonder what the TC was thinking.  Its a fact that anything the x bone can do the PS4 could do much better graphically.  Lems find themselves hyping graphics from standard PC thinking it will beat PS4.  

After all this lems still haven't learned that everything MS showed about X1 was covered in lies

not bothering to read the thread.....once again results in you looking like a brain dead tosser.

you are pretty stupid dude.  Why don't you read what I quoted before making yourself look like even more of an idiot that we all know you to be.

#47 Posted by Ly_the_Fairy (8652 posts) -

50% more "flops" doesn't translate to 50% more power.

People will come to realize that this generation.

#48 Posted by Douevenlift_bro (4991 posts) -

[QUOTE="Davekeeh"]

[QUOTE="ShoulderOfOrion"] Kojima said the difference in power is minimal. He's a PlayStation-centric developer. SecretPolice


Specs don't lie, PS4 is alot more powerful

Ya mean like 2006 and PS3 > 360 :shock: yeah, check the muliplats for proof :P

Not to mention, Halo 4, console king baby. :cool:

King of what?

 

Killzone 3, GOW, Uncharted all look better than anything on 360.

#49 Posted by Guy_Brohski (266 posts) -

Driveclub is being developed by a studio that makes arcadey cartooney racers. Forza 5 is being developed by established developers with a knowledge of AMD GPUs and a history of excellence. Or it could just be that Driveclub is barely 35% finished.

#50 Posted by sts106mat (18736 posts) -

[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="casharmy"]lol damn, wonder what the TC was thinking.  Its a fact that anything the x bone can do the PS4 could do much better graphically.  Lems find themselves hyping graphics from standard PC thinking it will beat PS4.  

After all this lems still haven't learned that everything MS showed about X1 was covered in lies

casharmy

not bothering to read the thread.....once again results in you looking like a brain dead tosser.

you are pretty stupid dude.  Why don't you read what I quoted before making yourself look like even more of an idiot that we all know you to be.

why dont you read the thread and see the Forza was confirmed to be running ON an XBOXone?  you twonk